Am rejoining this list to see if someone can help me with Robert SAVAGE. Robert was b 1864 in Ilkeston. His father was Henry, an iron moulder. Can't find Robert in 1881. He married Sarah WHEATLEY in 1884 in Nottingham. Robert & Sarah had 5 children between 1884 and 1895: Emmeline, Harry, Adelaide, Ernest and Bertha. I believe Sarah died, possibly after childbirth, in 1895, and Robert married again. His second marriage was to Catherine HEAL(E)Y who was b 1867 in Dublin. My problem is I cannot find Robert, Sarah or any of the children in 1891. I have got Robert and family in 1901 and 1911 in Miles Platting, Manchester. I know I could send for the second marriage certificate which would give me details of Sarah's father, but just thought I'd check in with the list first. Also realise that maybe I should be on the Derbyshire list too... Regards Suzie (from Orkney)

From: "Suzie Woodward" <vestlaybanks@btinternet.com> > Am rejoining this list to see if someone can help me with Robert > SAVAGE. > > Robert was b 1864 in Ilkeston. His father was Henry, an iron moulder. > Can't find Robert in 1881. > > He married Sarah WHEATLEY in 1884 in Nottingham. > Robert & Sarah had 5 children between 1884 and 1895: > Emmeline, Harry, Adelaide, Ernest and Bertha. > > I believe Sarah died, possibly after childbirth, in 1895, and Robert > married again. > > His second marriage was to Catherine HEAL(E)Y who was b 1867 in > Dublin. > > My problem is I cannot find Robert, Sarah or any of the children in > 1891. I have got Robert and family in 1901 and 1911 in Miles Platting, > Manchester. > > I know I could send for the second marriage certificate which would > give me details of Sarah's father, but just thought I'd check in with > the list first. > > Also realise that maybe I should be on the Derbyshire list too... > > Regards > Suzie (from Orkney) > I think I have solved it with a bit of lateral thinking and searching, which is what you very often need to employ in this business! Robert Savage appears to be found in some censuses as Robert GRIBBY or GREBBY. I suggest he was perhaps born illegitimate and used both this name and SAVAGE. In 1891 - and it MUST be them - there is a Robert Gribby, iron moulder, born Ilkeston 1864, with wife Sarah, 26, b Cossall, Notts, with 3 children - Emmaline, Harry and Adelaide - plus a Nellie Gribby, aged 17, also born Ilkeston, plus two boarders living at 21 Aspell St, Newton, Manchester. The PRO reference is: RG12 Piece no. 3251, folio 84, page 32. In 1871 Robert is found as Robert SAVILLE, aged 7, son of Henry and Ann GREBBY [sic] in the civil parish of Ilkeston but in Basford, Notts, registration district. Ref: RG10 Piece 3483, folio 80, page 42. The name Saville was probably an enumerator's error. In 1881 he is found as Robert GREBBY, 17, an iron moulder like his father, son of Henry and Ann, still at Ilkeston in Basford RD, with seven siblings. Ref: RG11 3327, folio 121, page 3. I feel quite certain this is the same man in all censuses and, as I suggested, he was probably illegitimate - his original surname probably being SAVAGE - and then his mother married Henry GRIBBY or GREBBY. Confusing but this is a far from rare situation! Do you have Robert's birth certificate? Was there a father on it or was he born illegitimate to Ann Savage? You will find the potential marriage of HENRY GREBBY to ANN SAVAGE at Nottingham in the Mar quarter of 1871 - FreeBMD 7b 281. Problem solved, I believe. However, this kind of research with lateral thinking - i.e. putting in just a first name and birthdate and birthplace with no surname - needs a good deal of experience in searching censuses and I hope you will find this little lesson of use in the future. -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Following on from what Roy discovered, there was no registration of the birth of a 'Robert Savage' in 1864 at Ilkeston or at any time around there. However the birth of Robert Saville was registered there in 1863 (and George Saville in 1865...he appears on the 1871 census along with Robert) Best wishes Dave Johnson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzie Woodward" <vestlaybanks@btinternet.com> To: "Nottingham List" <NOTTSGEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 10:27 AM Subject: [NTT] Robert SAVAGE > Am rejoining this list to see if someone can help me with Robert SAVAGE. > > Robert was b 1864 in Ilkeston. His father was Henry, an iron moulder. > Can't find Robert in 1881. > > He married Sarah WHEATLEY in 1884 in Nottingham. > Robert & Sarah had 5 children between 1884 and 1895: > Emmeline, Harry, Adelaide, Ernest and Bertha. > > I believe Sarah died, possibly after childbirth, in 1895, and Robert > married > again. > > His second marriage was to Catherine HEAL(E)Y who was b 1867 in Dublin. > > My problem is I cannot find Robert, Sarah or any of the children in 1891. > I have got Robert and family in 1901 and 1911 in Miles Platting, > Manchester. > > I know I could send for the second marriage certificate which would give > me > details of Sarah's father, but just thought I'd check in with the list > first. > > Also realise that maybe I should be on the Derbyshire list too... > > Regards > Suzie (from Orkney) > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message