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    1. Re: [NTT] Searching for a Copy of Nottingham Watch and Ward Book
    2. Brian Binns
    3. Nottingham Watch and Ward lists. A very brief and hopefully accurate summary (I don't profess to be an expert). In the early 19th century there was a lot of lawlessness, particularly the ransacking and breaking of industrial stocking-knitting factories and frames, as this industrialisation was adversely affecting the income of individual owners of the hand operated smaller machines, as products could be made a lot cheaper. These rioters were lumped together under the name "Luddites" though there has never been an accurate connection established with anyone called Ludd (the tagging and naming of groups with a catchy epithet is not the modern province of the Daily Red Tops that we may think). As there was insufficient policing in those days, laws were passed to "conscript" men to "Watch and Ward". I believe that they watched by day and warded by night. The Watch and Ward acts stipulated that "every person appointed to Watch and Ward, shall during his respective time of "Watching and Warding" to the utmost of his power, endeavour to prevent all murders, burglaries, robberies, affrays, and most felonies, outrages and disorders. And for that end each and every of them in authorised and empowered to arrest and apprehend all nightwalkers, malefactors, rogues, vagabonds, and all other idle , disorderly persons - and to deliver such the person or persons to the constable. In addition, public houses had to be cleared by 10pm, otherwise the landlord could be prosecuted." The men so "conscripted" had to be over the age of 17, occupying lands or tenements of an annual value of less than £20. Nottingham is lucky because these records were saved and have been transcribed by dedicated local historians into searchable records. There are 2 lists, one from 1812 and one from 1816. Given that these lists give names, ages, occupations and addresses of most of the adult male population in 1812 and 1816, they are a most valuable research tool for Family Historians, as they precede the earliest census by 25-29 years. I could add a lot more, but I suggest that interested people "Google" it or go to the Notts Archives. As well as the booklets issued by the Notts FHS, all the Watch and Ward records are in a card index file at the Notts Archives. Incidentally, another major source of early information in a card index at Notts Archives, are the apprenticeship records. I have added greatly to my family history using both of these resources. I apologise if I have made an error in my summary - if so I readily accept corrections - but as no one else was replying, I thought that I would. Brian Binns -----Original Message----- From: nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of cshiveley Sent: 22 February 2009 19:05 To: nottsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NTT] Searching for a Copy of Nottingham Watch and Ward Book Can you tell me what the booklets contain? I'm not familiar with the names. Alot of my families are from the Nottingham area, like STRAW for example. Cheryl "You are never too old to become younger!" Mae West ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Rowland" <morwenstow@btinternet.com> To: "'Vaughn Thurman'" <thurman.gallaugher@sympatico.ca>; <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:20 AM Subject: Re: [NTT] Searching for a Copy of Nottingham Watch and Ward Book >I have an almost complete set of the NFHS booklets and would be happy to > part with (most of) them. > > Sensible offers please > > Regards > > Alan Rowland > > -----Original Message----- > From: nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Brian Binns > Sent: 22 February 2009 10:36 > To: 'Vaughn Thurman'; nottsgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NTT] Searching for a Copy of Nottingham Watch and Ward Book > > > Vaughn, > > I have a copy, and one of the supplement that was also issued, but sadly I > do not want to part with them. If all else fails I will do look-ups for > you > on my copies. > > Brian Binns > > -----Original Message----- > From: nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Vaughn Thurman > Sent: 20 February 2009 01:37 > To: nottsgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NTT] Searching for a Copy of Nottingham Watch and Ward Book > > Hello List, > > I am trying to locate a copy of the "Nottingham Watch & Ward Lists: 1812 & > 1816" to purchase. I believe it was Vol. 136 of NFHS Record Series, which > I > understand may be "out-of-print". I recall trying a year or so ago to > procure a copy from Nottingham Family History Society and being told it > was > not available from them. So I am turning to the List, hoping that an > individual may have a spare copy. I am willing to pay a very fair price > for > a decent copy. > Incidentally, I will be spending a few days in Nottingham in mid-May this > year, so if it is convenient we could make arrangements while I am in > town. > Or we could arrange posting it to me in Canada. Whatever works best. Reply > on or off the list. > Hoping to hear from s.k.s. > > Vaughn Thurman > Everett, Ontario, Canada > > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.2/1965 - Release Date: 02/21/09 > 15:36:00 > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.2/1965 - Release Date: 02/21/09 > 15:36:00 > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1940 - Release Date: 2/8/2009 > 5:57 PM > > Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    02/23/2009 01:40:55
    1. Re: [NTT] Searching for a Copy of Nottingham Watch and Ward Book
    2. cshiveley
    3. Thank you. They sound interesting. I appreciate your taking the time to explain it to me. Cheryl "You are never too old to become younger!" Mae West ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Binns" <bnbinns@gmail.com> To: "'cshiveley'" <cshiveley600@fuse.net>; <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:40 AM Subject: RE: [NTT] Searching for a Copy of Nottingham Watch and Ward Book Nottingham Watch and Ward lists. A very brief and hopefully accurate summary (I don't profess to be an expert). In the early 19th century there was a lot of lawlessness, particularly the ransacking and breaking of industrial stocking-knitting factories and frames, as this industrialisation was adversely affecting the income of individual owners of the hand operated smaller machines, as products could be made a lot cheaper. These rioters were lumped together under the name "Luddites" though there has never been an accurate connection established with anyone called Ludd (the tagging and naming of groups with a catchy epithet is not the modern province of the Daily Red Tops that we may think). As there was insufficient policing in those days, laws were passed to "conscript" men to "Watch and Ward". I believe that they watched by day and warded by night. The Watch and Ward acts stipulated that "every person appointed to Watch and Ward, shall during his respective time of "Watching and Warding" to the utmost of his power, endeavour to prevent all murders, burglaries, robberies, affrays, and most felonies, outrages and disorders. And for that end each and every of them in authorised and empowered to arrest and apprehend all nightwalkers, malefactors, rogues, vagabonds, and all other idle , disorderly persons - and to deliver such the person or persons to the constable. In addition, public houses had to be cleared by 10pm, otherwise the landlord could be prosecuted." The men so "conscripted" had to be over the age of 17, occupying lands or tenements of an annual value of less than £20. Nottingham is lucky because these records were saved and have been transcribed by dedicated local historians into searchable records. There are 2 lists, one from 1812 and one from 1816. Given that these lists give names, ages, occupations and addresses of most of the adult male population in 1812 and 1816, they are a most valuable research tool for Family Historians, as they precede the earliest census by 25-29 years. I could add a lot more, but I suggest that interested people "Google" it or go to the Notts Archives. As well as the booklets issued by the Notts FHS, all the Watch and Ward records are in a card index file at the Notts Archives. Incidentally, another major source of early information in a card index at Notts Archives, are the apprenticeship records. I have added greatly to my family history using both of these resources. I apologise if I have made an error in my summary - if so I readily accept corrections - but as no one else was replying, I thought that I would. Brian Binns -----Original Message----- From: nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of cshiveley Sent: 22 February 2009 19:05 To: nottsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NTT] Searching for a Copy of Nottingham Watch and Ward Book Can you tell me what the booklets contain? I'm not familiar with the names. Alot of my families are from the Nottingham area, like STRAW for example. Cheryl "You are never too old to become younger!" Mae West ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Rowland" <morwenstow@btinternet.com> To: "'Vaughn Thurman'" <thurman.gallaugher@sympatico.ca>; <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:20 AM Subject: Re: [NTT] Searching for a Copy of Nottingham Watch and Ward Book >I have an almost complete set of the NFHS booklets and would be happy to > part with (most of) them. > > Sensible offers please > > Regards > > Alan Rowland > > -----Original Message----- > From: nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Brian Binns > Sent: 22 February 2009 10:36 > To: 'Vaughn Thurman'; nottsgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NTT] Searching for a Copy of Nottingham Watch and Ward Book > > > Vaughn, > > I have a copy, and one of the supplement that was also issued, but sadly I > do not want to part with them. If all else fails I will do look-ups for > you > on my copies. > > Brian Binns > > -----Original Message----- > From: nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Vaughn Thurman > Sent: 20 February 2009 01:37 > To: nottsgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NTT] Searching for a Copy of Nottingham Watch and Ward Book > > Hello List, > > I am trying to locate a copy of the "Nottingham Watch & Ward Lists: 1812 & > 1816" to purchase. I believe it was Vol. 136 of NFHS Record Series, which > I > understand may be "out-of-print". I recall trying a year or so ago to > procure a copy from Nottingham Family History Society and being told it > was > not available from them. So I am turning to the List, hoping that an > individual may have a spare copy. I am willing to pay a very fair price > for > a decent copy. > Incidentally, I will be spending a few days in Nottingham in mid-May this > year, so if it is convenient we could make arrangements while I am in > town. > Or we could arrange posting it to me in Canada. Whatever works best. Reply > on or off the list. > Hoping to hear from s.k.s. > > Vaughn Thurman > Everett, Ontario, Canada > > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.2/1965 - Release Date: 02/21/09 > 15:36:00 > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.2/1965 - Release Date: 02/21/09 > 15:36:00 > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1940 - Release Date: 2/8/2009 > 5:57 PM > > Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. 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    02/23/2009 05:42:11
    1. Re: [NTT] Searching for a Copy of Nottingham Watch and Ward Book
    2. stan bayne
    3. Thank you, Brian, for the very interesting data about the Watch and Ward conscripts. As a dedicated historian I can now add something to my 19thC knowledge which I had never known before. I knew of the Luddites, but not of the opposition system. The COD thinks the term Luddite may have originated with the name of Ned Lud who destroyed machinery in the 18th century. Stan Bayne NZ ----- Original Message ----- > Nottingham Watch and Ward lists. > A very brief and hopefully accurate summary (I don't profess to be an > expert). > Brian Binns

    02/24/2009 02:49:18