Interesting - one little comment, I live in France where step-mother/mother in law are both translated by belle mere. The same happens with all other step/in law relations, so you just have to work out by context - or ask for the relationship to be defined. I did not know that happened in English terminology too. Jean > Message du 26/02/09 19:59 > De : "Barb MacKenzie" > A : nottsgen@rootsweb.com > Copie à : > Objet : Re: [NTT] quarry - Wm. Bramley > > > Hi: The reason we came up with different William Bramley, is because of a transcription error. Being so far away, I have subscribed to Ancestry.com and have access to the original scanned page. He is listed on the transcribed 1881 censuc as William H. Branly. But someone else has noted the error and changed it on Ancestry. The children are right. My grandfather was 3 at the time. They lived at 17 Key Street. In the 1891 census, they lived at the same address, but by that time they had 8 children. And I noted another transcription error. They have a Gerty, age 4 daughter listed. This is actually Berty, son. I assume that he was still in dresses at the time and looked like a girl. In 1901 census, he is there at age 14. I remember my Uncle Bernard. By 1901 they had moved to Hempshall Lane, and had 13 children. I know they had one more. By this time grandfather had left home and got married. I think out of self defence, because all the other chil! > dren are still at home. I know how small the houses were on Hempshall Lane, so I don't know how they all fit. > > I actuall think that I found my William Bramley's birth parents. George and Sarah, living in Bulwell in 1861. He was age 5. Then george dissappears and Sarah turns up married to someone else in 1871. William is there age 14, listed as son-in-law. I assume step son. there are three other children of Sarah and John Sheldon , Labourer. I am trying to find William's marriage record, as I assume that parents are listed. But up to now have not had any luck. > His wife's name was Elizabeth, but I have no idea what her maiden name was. > > Transcription errors make for some detective work, but its so satisfying when you figure it out. > > Barbara > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Barbara Mackenzie > To: bmacken@mts.net > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 10:10 AM > Subject: Fw: [NTT] quarry - Wm. Bramley > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: MAVIS JOHNSON > To: Barb MacKenzie > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 1:36 AM > Subject: Re: [NTT] quarry - Wm. Bramley > > > Dear Barbara > > In the 1881 census which I have on CD (very useful if you live away from archives,!) there are only 3 Wm. Bramleys born in 1856 in Nottingham > > The only one shown as a Quarry Worker is below: Hucknall is just up the road from Bulwell. Hannah was obviously either widowed or Wm. was illegit son before she was married to Enoch. > > Whybourne Street : Hucknall Torkard, Nottingham, England > Source: FHL Film 1341795 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3334 Folio 14 Page 22 > Enoch STATON M 45 M Holbrook, Derby, England > Rel: Head Occ: Coal Miner > Hannah STATON M 45 F Hucknall Torkard, Nottingham, England > Rel: Wife > William BRAMLEY U 24 M Hucknall Torkard, Nottingham, England > Rel: Son Occ: Stone Quarry Labourer > Samuel STATON U 19 M Hucknall Torkard, Nottingham, England > Rel: Son Occ: Cotton Stockinger > Henry STATON U 17 M Hucknall Torkard, Nottingham, England > Rel: Son Occ: Bricklayers Labourer > Anna STATON 14 F Hucknall Torkard, Nottingham, England > Rel: Daur > George STATON 10 M Hucknall Torkard, Nottingham, England > Rel: Son > Elizabeth STATON 6 F Hucknall Torkard, Nottingham, England > Rel: Daur > Walter STATON 4 M Hucknall Torkard, Nottingham, England > Rel: Son > > I happen to be researching the CUTTS families and a Wm. Cutts married an Elizabeth Bramley 25 July 1831 at Hucknall St. Mary, and a Grace Stout nee Cutts (b 1811) is living in Quarry Rd. Bulwell in 1841.. > > I also have Statons in my line so would be pleased to hear of your family as you research it - we could be distantly connected!! > > If you go to picturethepast. website (Notts CC Library Service on lin) you can get a photo of Quarry Rd. (google for website) > > I believe, too, that SANKEYS made plant pots, etc. at Bulwell/Basford and you could check this by going to historical directories - also on line. Again, just google whenever you have a query and amazing what comes up. > > William born 1856 could be one of several - you need to check the parish records for Bulwell but this seems the likely one: (From Notts FHS Index - also very useful if you live away from records - I swear by it. I have vol. 1. there are later ones available with more records. > Select by Surname FSURN MSURN CNAME FNAME MNAME DATE BORN PLACE ABODE PROF Church Note > BRAMLEY > William Grant George Sarah 10/02/1856 > BUW > Labourer BULWELL St Mary > > > next Williams on list are - (could be late baptisms, but unlikely) > Select by Surname FSURN MSURN CNAME FNAME MNAME DATE BORN PLACE ABODE PROF Church Note > BRAMLEY > William William Hannah 22/03/1858 > BAS Basford Sawyer BASFORD St Leodegarius > > > BRAMLEY William > Hannah 19/06/1858 > HUT > > HUCKNALL TORKARD St Mary ???? > > > > If you sent for a certificate you could ask them to ensure the William was born in 1856 and give any knowledge you have that would help Registrar chose right one. Send to local Registrar as they have local knowledge. > > Hope this helps > > Mavis > living in Somerset village, > born in Nottingham (1935) > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barb MacKenzie" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 5:48 AM > Subject: [NTT] quarry > > > > > > > > Hello: > > > > I found my great grandfather, William Bramley listed in the 1881 cencus. At the time he is listed as a Stone Quarry Worker. Would anyone know where there was a stone quarry in Bulwell and what kind of stone do they quarry. Also, where in Bulwell would one be a flower pot maker. I'm trying to get a feel for what my ancestors lives must have been like. > > > > I know that Willliam Bramley was born in Bulwell in 1856, but there are several William Bramleys listed, How would I go about finding the right one? > > > > On the other side of the family, Parnham, my Great grandfather in 1871 is listed as living in Normanton, notts and is listed as a Police Constable. I knew there were some disreputable people in my family background but not this bad, Police, argggg. So in 1881 he is listed as living in Bulwell and listed as a labourer. Why would someone leave off being a police constable and move. Is there any way to find out. And yes I am sure it is the right person. > > > > Just a few questions that I thought someone on the list would have some thoughts about. As I live a rather isolated life (very small town) nottsgen people are the only ones I can ask about these things. > > > > Thanks, Barbara > > > > > > Notts Surname List > > > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.3/1973 - Release Date: 02/26/09 07:03:00 > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ----------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >