Well Barbara, Hasn't Laurie turned up gold dust! It seems to me your Great Grandpa was a bit of a lad! 2nd wife younger than his chhildren. I went systematically though find my past and found only 2 Kate BURN s marrying between 1901 and 1911, one in Newton A 1903 and one in Tynemouth 1905. The latter could well have been a possible, but no Sam Taylor appears in the complementary index. I presume that their marriage was a polite fiction! (Well, they could have gone abroad, but that seems unlikely) He would I think have been too old for a foreign military marriage Maybe your Grandpa was following in his dad's footsteps.... Jean > Message du 18/01/09 04:25 > De : "Laurie Caron" > A : "'Barbara Cunningham'" , NOTTSGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Copie à : > Objet : Re: [NTT] 1911 suggestions please > > > Hi Barbara, > > I found the following tree online - if you follow this, you'll then find > Samuel on the 1901 census, still widowed, living with his mother, Ann, and > daughters from his first marriage, Florrie and Lizzie. > > http://www.geocities.com/dilli63/STaylor.rtf > > > 4. SAMUEL3 TAYLOR (GEORGE2, BENJAMIN1) was born 1853 in Hucknall Torkard, > Nottingham, England, and died Unknown. He married (1) KATE BURN, daughter > of HENRY BURN and SARAH THORNTON. She was born 1881 in Thirlby, Yorkshire, > England, and died Unknown. He married (2) ELIZABETH BROWN 25 Dec 1872 in > Hucknall Torkard St Marys, daughter of BROWN and ANN (BROWN). She was born > 1852 in Kirkby In Ashfield, Notts, England, and died Unknown. > > More About SAMUEL TAYLOR and ELIZABETH BROWN: > Marriage: 25 Dec 1872, Hucknall Torkard St Marys > > Children of SAMUEL TAYLOR and KATE BURN are: > i. FREDERICK GEORGE4 TAYLOR, b. 1903, Nottingham, England; d. > Unknown. > ii. DORIS MARION TAYLOR, b. 1904, Nottingham, England; d. > Unknown. > 5. iii. ARTHUR SAMUEL TAYLOR, b. 20 Jun 1906, Nottingham, England; > d. 1978, Rushcliffe, Nottingham, England. > 6. iv. MINNIE KATHLEEN TAYLOR, b. 20 Jun 1906, Nottingham, England; > d. Unknown, . > v. PHYLLIS TAYLOR, b. Private. > > > Children of SAMUEL TAYLOR and ELIZABETH BROWN are: > vi. LIZZIE A S4 TAYLOR, b. 1875, Hucknall Torkard, Nottingham, > England; d. Unknown. > vii. FLORENCE H J TAYLOR, b. 1877, Hucknall Torkard, Nottingham, > England; d. Unknown. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Barbara Cunningham > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:54 AM > To: NOTTSGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NTT] 1911 suggestions please > > Hi List > > I am hoping for a few suggestions. > > I have been excitedly searching the 1911 census in the hope of finally being > able to identify my great grandparents. > > My grandparents divorced during WW2 and Mum had very little to do with her > father so she was never able to give me a great deal of information. > > My grandfather Arthur Samuel Taylor was born on the 20th June 1906 (along > with his twin sister Minnie Kathleen) to Sam Taylor - music teacher & Kate > Taylor formerly Burn. Mum always said that there were 2 brothers George & > Ginger, an older sister Marion and a younger sister Phyllis > > When I first got access to the 1901 census I thought finally I will find > something, unfortunately Sam and Kate do not appear together in 1901. So I > waited with baited breath for the 1911 census. > > I have grandad's birth certificate, his marriage certificate and his death > certificate, not that they help a great deal other than to tell me that his > dad was dead prior to my grandparents marriage in 1929 as Sam is listed as > deceased and as a newsagent. > > Today I found my grandfather in the 1911 census as I had no information > other than there names I figured it was safest to search for Grandad rather > than his parents. > > I found Grandad straight away, which was fantastic. The rest of the results > is where my request comes in. > > In the transcription it states the following: > > Taylor, Kate Head Married F 34 No Occupation > Battersea London > Burn, Minnie Sister Single F 31 Ironer in Laundry > Battersea London > Taylor Minnie Kathleen Daughter F 4 > Nottingham > Taylor Arthur Samuel Son M 4 > Nottingham > > According to the census transcription (the original agrees - it also states > that Kate had been married for 5 years) that Kate is married but, she is > listed as Head of the household. As her husband isn't there I guess I > understand why she is listed as Head, but, where could he be ? > > I don't know what his occupation was in 1911 he could have still been > teacher music or a newsagent, so I figured he could be working or visiting, > but, I have checked all the Sam's and Samuel Taylors in Nottingham and found > nothing that could be the right one. > > Does anyone have a suggestion on where I try next ? > > Thanks heaps > > Barb > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Jean Wood 11 impasse Pampanie chez Perineau 17610 Chaniers France Tel: 0033(0)5.46.93.38.71

Hi Jean & List Unfortunately, the info Laurie found was old info of mine, from about 5 years ago. Thanks to the 1911 census I have been able to prove that the Samuel Taylor born 1854 in Hucknall Torkard is NOT my GGrandfather. He was still in the same place 12 years later when he died and his daughter Lizzie was by his side. I have found a Sam Taylor born 1877 in Prestwich Lancs who in 1891 was listed as a violininst and in 1901 as a musician that was boarding in London – in Fulham and was a musician – it isn’t that much of stretch to go from a musician in 1901 to a music teacher in 1906 – I just can’t find him yet in the 1911 census. I tried searching the BDM’s for a Taylor Burn marriage, I suspect they either didn’t marry or she was previously married. Regards Barb _____ From: Jean WOOD [mailto:jeangrahame@orange.fr] Sent: Sunday, 18 January 2009 8:49 PM To: lcaron0822@rogers.com; 'Barbara Cunningham'; NOTTSGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NTT] 1911 suggestions please Well Barbara, Hasn't Laurie turned up gold dust! It seems to me your Great Grandpa was a bit of a lad! 2nd wife younger than his chhildren. I went systematically though find my past and found only 2 Kate BURN s marrying between 1901 and 1911, one in Newton A 1903 and one in Tynemouth 1905. The latter could well have been a possible, but no Sam Taylor appears in the complementary index. I presume that their marriage was a polite fiction! (Well, they could have gone abroad, but that seems unlikely) He would I think have been too old for a foreign military marriage Maybe your Grandpa was following in his dad's footsteps.... Jean > Message du 18/01/09 04:25 > De : "Laurie Caron" > A : "'Barbara Cunningham'" , NOTTSGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Copie à : > Objet : Re: [NTT] 1911 suggestions please > > > Hi Barbara, > > I found the following tree online - if you follow this, you'll then find > Samuel on the 1901 census, still widowed, living with his mother, Ann, and > daughters from his first marriage, Florrie and Lizzie. > > http://www.geocities.com/dilli63/STaylor.rtf > > > 4. SAMUEL3 TAYLOR (GEORGE2, BENJAMIN1) was born 1853 in Hucknall Torkard, > Nottingham, England, and died Unknown. He married (1) KATE BURN, daughter > of HENRY BURN and SARAH THORNTON. She was born 1881 in Thirlby, Yorkshire, > England, and died Unknown. He married (2) ELIZABETH BROWN 25 Dec 1872 in > Hucknall Torkard St Marys, daughter of BROWN and ANN (BROWN). She was born > 1852 in Kirkby In Ashfield, Notts, England, and died Unknown. > > More About SAMUEL TAYLOR and ELIZABETH BROWN: > Marriage: 25 Dec 1872, Hucknall Torkard St Marys > > Children of SAMUEL TAYLOR and KATE BURN are: > i. FREDERICK GEORGE4 TAYLOR, b. 1903, Nottingham, England; d. > Unknown. > ii. DORIS MARION TAYLOR, b. 1904, Nottingham, England; d. > Unknown. > 5. iii. ARTHUR SAMUEL TAYLOR, b. 20 Jun 1906, Nottingham, England; > d. 1978, Rushcliffe, Nottingham, England. > 6. iv. MINNIE KATHLEEN TAYLOR, b. 20 Jun 1906, Nottingham, England; > d. Unknown, . > v. PHYLLIS TAYLOR, b. Private. > > > Children of SAMUEL TAYLOR and ELIZABETH BROWN are: > vi. LIZZIE A S4 TAYLOR, b. 1875, Hucknall Torkard, Nottingham, > England; d. Unknown. > vii. FLORENCE H J TAYLOR, b. 1877, Hucknall Torkard, Nottingham, > England; d. Unknown. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Barbara Cunningham > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:54 AM > To: NOTTSGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NTT] 1911 suggestions please > > Hi List > > I am hoping for a few suggestions. > > I have been excitedly searching the 1911 census in the hope of finally being > able to identify my great grandparents. > > My grandparents divorced during WW2 and Mum had very little to do with her > father so she was never able to give me a great deal of information. > > My grandfather Arthur Samuel Taylor was born on the 20th June 1906 (along > with his twin sister Minnie Kathleen) to Sam Taylor - music teacher & Kate > Taylor formerly Burn. Mum always said that there were 2 brothers George & > Ginger, an older sister Marion and a younger sister Phyllis > > When I first got access to the 1901 census I thought finally I will find > something, unfortunately Sam and Kate do not appear together in 1901. So I > waited with baited breath for the 1911 census. > > I have grandad's birth certificate, his marriage certificate and his death > certificate, not that they help a great deal other than to tell me that his > dad was dead prior to my grandparents marriage in 1929 as Sam is listed as > deceased and as a newsagent. > > Today I found my grandfather in the 1911 census as I had no information > other than there names I figured it was safest to search for Grandad rather > than his parents. > > I found Grandad straight away, which was fantastic. The rest of the results > is where my request comes in. > > In the transcription it states the following: > > Taylor, Kate Head Married F 34 No Occupation > Battersea London > Burn, Minnie Sister Single F 31 Ironer in Laundry > Battersea London > Taylor Minnie Kathleen Daughter F 4 > Nottingham > Taylor Arthur Samuel Son M 4 > Nottingham > > According to the census transcription (the original agrees - it also states > that Kate had been married for 5 years) that Kate is married but, she is > listed as Head of the household. As her husband isn't there I guess I > understand why she is listed as Head, but, where could he be ? > > I don't know what his occupation was in 1911 he could have still been > teacher music or a newsagent, so I figured he could be working or visiting, > but, I have checked all the Sam's and Samuel Taylors in Nottingham and found > nothing that could be the right one. > > Does anyone have a suggestion on where I try next ? > > Thanks heaps > > Barb > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Jean Wood 11 impasse Pampanie chez Perineau 17610 Chaniers France Tel: 0033(0)5.46.93.38.71 No virus found in this incoming message. 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Well done! I have found both those entries too, good luck with further hunting. I do not have access to 1911 yet, but I too have a couple of musicians in various places. It does make searching a bit easier! Maybe you do have a bit of a start now. Do any of those names match any further down? Sometimes I have found inherited names quite useful to verify family links You have the Sam, what about Ann, Violet, Harry, Richard and Ann? Jean > Message du 18/01/09 12:06 > De : "Barbara Cunningham" > A : "'Jean WOOD'" , NOTTSGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Copie à : > Objet : RE: [NTT] 1911 suggestions please > > Hi Jean & List Unfortunately, the info Laurie found was old info of mine, from about 5 years ago. Thanks to the 1911 census I have been able to prove that the Samuel Taylor born 1854 in Hucknall Torkard is NOT my GGrandfather. He was still in the same place 12 years later when he died and his daughter Lizzie was by his side. I have found a Sam Taylor born 1877 in Prestwich Lancs who in 1891 was listed as a violininst and in 1901 as a musician that was boarding in London – in Fulham and was a musician – it isn’t that much of stretch to go from a musician in 1901 to a music teacher in 1906 – I just can’t find him yet in the 1911 census. I tried searching the BDM’s for a Taylor Burn marriage, I suspect they either didn’t marry or she was previously married. Regards Barb From: Jean WOOD [mailto:jeangrahame@orange.fr] > Sent: Sunday, 18 January 2009 8:49 PM > To: lcaron0822@rogers.com; 'Barbara Cunningham'; NOTTSGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NTT] 1911 suggestions please > Well Barbara, > Hasn't Laurie turned up gold dust! > > It seems to me your Great Grandpa was a bit of a lad! 2nd wife younger than his chhildren. > > I went systematically though find my past and found only 2 Kate BURN s marrying between 1901 and 1911, one in Newton A 1903 and one in Tynemouth 1905. > The latter could well have been a possible, but no Sam Taylor appears in the complementary index. > > I presume that their marriage was a polite fiction! (Well, they could have gone abroad, but that seems unlikely) He would I think have been too old for a foreign military marriage > > Maybe your Grandpa was following in his dad's footsteps.... > > Jean > > > > > > Message du 18/01/09 04:25 > > De : "Laurie Caron" > > A : "'Barbara Cunningham'" , NOTTSGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > Copie à : > > Objet : Re: [NTT] 1911 suggestions please > > > > > > Hi Barbara, > > > > I found the following tree online - if you follow this, you'll then find > > Samuel on the 1901 census, still widowed, living with his mother, Ann, and > > daughters from his first marriage, Florrie and Lizzie. > > > > http://www.geocities.com/dilli63/STaylor.rtf > > > > > > 4. SAMUEL3 TAYLOR (GEORGE2, BENJAMIN1) was born 1853 in Hucknall Torkard, > > Nottingham, England, and died Unknown. He married (1) KATE BURN, daughter > > of HENRY BURN and SARAH THORNTON. She was born 1881 in Thirlby, Yorkshire, > > England, and died Unknown. He married (2) ELIZABETH BROWN 25 Dec 1872 in > > Hucknall Torkard St Marys, daughter of BROWN and ANN (BROWN). She was born > > 1852 in Kirkby In Ashfield, Notts, England, and died Unknown. > > > > More About SAMUEL TAYLOR and ELIZABETH BROWN: > > Marriage: 25 Dec 1872, Hucknall Torkard St Marys > > > > Children of SAMUEL TAYLOR and KATE BURN are: > > i. FREDERICK GEORGE4 TAYLOR, b. 1903, Nottingham, England; d. > > Unknown. > > ii. DORIS MARION TAYLOR, b. 1904, Nottingham, England; d. > > Unknown. > > 5. iii. ARTHUR SAMUEL TAYLOR, b. 20 Jun 1906, Nottingham, England; > > d. 1978, Rushcliffe, Nottingham, England. > > 6. iv. MINNIE KATHLEEN TAYLOR, b. 20 Jun 1906, Nottingham, England; > > d. Unknown, . > > v. PHYLLIS TAYLOR, b. Private. > > > > > > Children of SAMUEL TAYLOR and ELIZABETH BROWN are: > > vi. LIZZIE A S4 TAYLOR, b. 1875, Hucknall Torkard, Nottingham, > > England; d. Unknown. > > vii. FLORENCE H J TAYLOR, b. 1877, Hucknall Torkard, Nottingham, > > England; d. Unknown. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] > > On Behalf Of Barbara Cunningham > > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:54 AM > > To: NOTTSGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [NTT] 1911 suggestions please > > > > Hi List > > > > I am hoping for a few suggestions. > > > > I have been excitedly searching the 1911 census in the hope of finally being > > able to identify my great grandparents. > > > > My grandparents divorced during WW2 and Mum had very little to do with her > > father so she was never able to give me a great deal of information. > > > > My grandfather Arthur Samuel Taylor was born on the 20th June 1906 (along > > with his twin sister Minnie Kathleen) to Sam Taylor - music teacher & Kate > > Taylor formerly Burn. Mum always said that there were 2 brothers George & > > Ginger, an older sister Marion and a younger sister Phyllis > > > > When I first got access to the 1901 census I thought finally I will find > > something, unfortunately Sam and Kate do not appear together in 1901. So I > > waited with baited breath for the 1911 census. > > > > I have grandad's birth certificate, his marriage certificate and his death > > certificate, not that they help a great deal other than to tell me that his > > dad was dead prior to my grandparents marriage in 1929 as Sam is listed as > > deceased and as a newsagent. > > > > Today I found my grandfather in the 1911 census as I had no information > > other than there names I figured it was safest to search for Grandad rather > > than his parents. > > > > I found Grandad straight away, which was fantastic. The rest of the results > > is where my request comes in. > > > > In the transcription it states the following: > > > > Taylor, Kate Head Married F 34 No Occupation > > Battersea London > > Burn, Minnie Sister Single F 31 Ironer in Laundry > > Battersea London > > Taylor Minnie Kathleen Daughter F 4 > > Nottingham > > Taylor Arthur Samuel Son M 4 > > Nottingham > > > > According to the census transcription (the original agrees - it also states > > that Kate had been married for 5 years) that Kate is married but, she is > > listed as Head of the household. As her husband isn't there I guess I > > understand why she is listed as Head, but, where could he be ? > > > > I don't know what his occupation was in 1911 he could have still been > > teacher music or a newsagent, so I figured he could be working or visiting, > > but, I have checked all the Sam's and Samuel Taylors in Nottingham and found > > nothing that could be the right one. > > > > Does anyone have a suggestion on where I try next ? > > > > Thanks heaps > > > > Barb > > > > > > > > Notts Surname List > > > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > Notts Surname List > > > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > Jean Wood 11 impasse Pampanie chez Perineau 17610 Chaniers France Tel: 0033(0)5.46.93.38.71 > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.8/1899 - Release Date: 1/17/2009 5:50 PM Jean Wood 11 impasse Pampanie chez Perineau 17610 Chaniers France Tel: 0033(0)5.46.93.38.71