I have been thinking again. I tried looking at the censuses on findmypast, with a 5 year either side band, but Sam Taylor gives 419 responses in 1881, 413 in 1891 and as only a few counties are shown in1901 about 58. The twins were born in Notts, but the mother and sister were born in London and the sister was an ironer - not a trade which would normally involve moving much - what is the betting that they at least met in London, amnd possibly Sam born there too. Can you not work on Arthur's birth cert and try to see if you can find dates for marriages for each parent in turn? If you find ones with the same date slot and index code, you may have cracked it. It is tedious, but with less common names I would start with hers first. (Burn/s being rarer) Also, IF the boys were not older, and the twins the first birth, then she might be older than her husband with first child/ren born when she was 30- he could be a lot younger - otherwise, others could be with dad say in London? Jean > Message du 17/01/09 14:35 > De : "Barbara Cunningham" > A : "'Jean WOOD'" , NOTTSGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Copie à : > Objet : RE: [NTT] 1911 suggestions please > > > Hi Jean & List > > Thanks for the suggestion, I will try broadening the search > > I have a subscription to Ancestry and currently tokens for 1911 & find my > past. > > I honestly have no idea how sound the marriage was. Mum knew very little, > and what she did know took ages to dredge up. She passed away in May, it > wasn't that her mind was gone, she literally knew nothing about her Dad's > side of the family. > > I had thought maybe there was a previous marriage for one if not both of > them as I can't find a marriage between Sam Taylor and Kate Burn/s. I found > Kate with her family in the 1881 census so that was good, but, I have no > idea on his age, with my luck Sam was his middle name, and although he went > by it, he used his Christian name for legal stuff. > > Unfortunately other than that she was younger than the twins Mum could help > much. That and the fact that she didn't marry is about all she knew. > > Thanks again. > > Regards > > Barb > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jean WOOD [mailto:jeangrahame@orange.fr] > Sent: Sunday, 18 January 2009 12:20 AM > To: Barbara Cunningham > Subject: re: [NTT] 1911 suggestions please > > > > Broaden your search - I had a much earlier couple (1841) the husband was > absent, though wife and baby were together, but he was there 10 years later, > with more children, a drum maker - in his case I suspect he may have been on > a ship. > Do you have a membership to other websites? I use findmy past. Do you have > any idea about his age? A music teacher might be peripatetic, or even > playing in an orchestra travelling, lots of other possibilities. Was their > marriage sound, do you know, or was he going and returning, to leave another > child each time? > > Jean > > > > > Message du 17/01/09 13:54 > > De : "Barbara Cunningham" > > A : NOTTSGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > Copie à : > > Objet : [NTT] 1911 suggestions please > > > > > > Hi List > > > > I am hoping for a few suggestions. > > > > I have been excitedly searching the 1911 census in the hope of finally > being > > able to identify my great grandparents. > > > > My grandparents divorced during WW2 and Mum had very little to do with her > > father so she was never able to give me a great deal of information. > > > > My grandfather Arthur Samuel Taylor was born on the 20th June 1906 (along > > with his twin sister Minnie Kathleen) to Sam Taylor - music teacher & Kate > > Taylor formerly Burn. Mum always said that there were 2 brothers George & > > Ginger, an older sister Marion and a younger sister Phyllis > > > > When I first got access to the 1901 census I thought finally I will find > > something, unfortunately Sam and Kate do not appear together in 1901. So I > > waited with baited breath for the 1911 census. > > > > I have grandad's birth certificate, his marriage certificate and his death > > certificate, not that they help a great deal other than to tell me that > his > > dad was dead prior to my grandparents marriage in 1929 as Sam is listed as > > deceased and as a newsagent. > > > > Today I found my grandfather in the 1911 census as I had no information > > other than there names I figured it was safest to search for Grandad > rather > > than his parents. > > > > I found Grandad straight away, which was fantastic. The rest of the > results > > is where my request comes in. > > > > In the transcription it states the following: > > > > Taylor, Kate Head Married F 34 No Occupation > > Battersea London > > Burn, Minnie Sister Single F 31 Ironer in Laundry > > Battersea London > > Taylor Minnie Kathleen Daughter F 4 > > Nottingham > > Taylor Arthur Samuel Son M 4 > > Nottingham > > > > According to the census transcription (the original agrees - it also > states > > that Kate had been married for 5 years) that Kate is married but, she is > > listed as Head of the household. As her husband isn't there I guess I > > understand why she is listed as Head, but, where could he be ? > > > > I don't know what his occupation was in 1911 he could have still been > > teacher music or a newsagent, so I figured he could be working or > visiting, > > but, I have checked all the Sam's and Samuel Taylors in Nottingham and > found > > nothing that could be the right one. > > > > Does anyone have a suggestion on where I try next ? > > > > Thanks heaps > > > > Barb > > > > > > > > Notts Surname List > > > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > Jean Wood 11 impasse Pampanie chez Perineau 17610 Chaniers France Tel: > 0033(0)5.46.93.38.71 > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.8/1898 - Release Date: 1/16/2009 > 3:09 PM > > > Jean Wood 11 impasse Pampanie chez Perineau 17610 Chaniers France Tel: 0033(0)5.46.93.38.71

I am hoping someone can help me locate a William Holland from Carlton, Nottingham who would have been born anywhere from about 1818-1822, likely the same area. In 1844, he sired an illegitimate son, Titus Taylor - mother Mary Taylor, who later married Noah Pembleton. Titus was raised with his grandparents, William Taylor and Mary Chantry of Arnold, Nottingham. Titus was my 2xGreat-grandfather. His baptism record definitely shows William Holland from Carlton as his father. I would love to learn who my Holland relatives are. I have found one William Holland (b.1818) family in Carlton on the 1851 census, with father Henry, and it looks like William is widowed and has two children, William (12) and Samuel (10). I have no idea if this is the William that I am looking for, but the dates and place fit. I believe this same family is on the 1841 census in Carlton, Gedling, Nottingham where William is married to Ann, sons William and Samuel born same years (1839 and 1841 respectively), living with John and Sarah Tomlinson, who would presumably be Ann parents, since a William Holland married an Ann Tomlinson in the 1stQ 1839 in Basford according to the GRO. There is an Ann Holland who dies in Basford in the 3rdQ 1846, so if this is the same Ann, and William, my William would have sired Titus while married. William seems to have married again to another Ann. I find a marriage of William Holland in 1stQ 1854 in Basford (no spouse noted), and an 1861 census with William Holland born 1818 in Carlton, living ! in Carlton, with wife Ann, and children Elizabeth (6), Albert (3), and twins Harriet and Matilda (1mo). Older sons, William and Samuel, seem to be lodging in Sutton in Ashfield in 1861. If any Holland researcher has knowledge of a William, born in that time period, who would have married at least twice, and possibly fathered an illegitimate child in 1844, I would love to hear from you. Many thanks Laurie Caron