Just to add my two pennorth to this discussion; I was formerly a Primary teacher: we were officially entitled "Assistant teachers" i.e. assistants to the head teacher - or now "qualified teachers" = QTs. There is a possibility that this lady said she was an assistant teacher and just the first word was heard by the form filler (especially if he was having trouble writing a relatively simple name like Hacket/t) Jean Wood > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] > Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 10:09:58 +0000 > Subject: Re: [NTT] 1911 census search > > Hi Nivard, > > The transcribers at Find my Past have actually recorded it as Harcket, not > as I originally advised. On the actual return which I have on the screen in > front of me, the word Boarder has been added by the enumerator, with ditto > marks for all the other persons listed below Elizabeth. It was not recorded > by the main householder. However, as you rightly say, Elizabeth is denoted > as an "assistant" whereas all the others are servants. > > I still think that this is Jo-Ann's elusive Elizabeth. > > Brian Binns > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nivard Ovington [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 07 January 2012 09:56 > To: Brian Binns; [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NTT] 1911 census search > > Hi Brian & Jo-Ann > > Ancestry have the full 1911 for Staffs but its not transcribed as yet > > You can search the RG78 summaries which are very useful for addresses I find > > Being summaries they usually record the surname only or with initials , so a > search for CHAMBERLAIN > and keywords Stafford street Hanley finds one hit in 1911 > > Looking at that finds the Hotel is the Saracens Head schedule 2 > > Looking at the 1911 for Staffs and selecting Hanley ED28 page 4 (usually 2 > pages per schedule, 4 in > this case as its the large schedule) finds the page for the Hotel & > occupants > > The name is actually Elizabeth HACCKET on the page and it looks to me as if > he simply did not know > how to spell the name or just entered a stray C , (I have done it myself :-) > > Against her name and the others after the CHAMBERLAINs is the word Boarder , > her relationship to the > head of household is assistant, all the others after her are servants > > G CHAMBERLAIN signs the schedule, address Saracens Hotel (43 rooms) > > It certainly looks like a good possibility for her > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > > > The reference is RG14PN16538 RG78PN1022 RD361 SD1 ED28 SN2 > > By the way, Ancestry appears not to have a complete 1911 census of Staffs > > yet. I tried with the Publican's name at this hotel, a George Chamberlain, > > but he couldn't be found. > > > > Hope this helps, > > > > Brian Binns > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4727 - Release Date: 01/06/12 > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4727 - Release Date: 01/06/12 > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4727 - Release Date: 01/06/12 > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Jean, Just to clarify. This Elizabeth's occupation was recorded - by the main householder i.e. the Hotel Proprietor - as a "Barmaid." It was her relationship with the main householder that was recorded as "Assistant", with the enumerator having added the word "Boarder." Brian Binns -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jean Wood Sent: 07 January 2012 16:25 To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; Nottsgen Subject: [NTT] 1911 census search Just to add my two pennorth to this discussion; I was formerly a Primary teacher: we were officially entitled "Assistant teachers" i.e. assistants to the head teacher - or now "qualified teachers" = QTs. There is a possibility that this lady said she was an assistant teacher and just the first word was heard by the form filler (especially if he was having trouble writing a relatively simple name like Hacket/t) Jean Wood > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] > Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 10:09:58 +0000 > Subject: Re: [NTT] 1911 census search > > Hi Nivard, > > The transcribers at Find my Past have actually recorded it as Harcket, not > as I originally advised. On the actual return which I have on the screen in > front of me, the word Boarder has been added by the enumerator, with ditto > marks for all the other persons listed below Elizabeth. It was not recorded > by the main householder. However, as you rightly say, Elizabeth is denoted > as an "assistant" whereas all the others are servants. > > I still think that this is Jo-Ann's elusive Elizabeth. > > Brian Binns > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nivard Ovington [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 07 January 2012 09:56 > To: Brian Binns; [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NTT] 1911 census search > > Hi Brian & Jo-Ann > > Ancestry have the full 1911 for Staffs but its not transcribed as yet > > You can search the RG78 summaries which are very useful for addresses I find > > Being summaries they usually record the surname only or with initials , so a > search for CHAMBERLAIN > and keywords Stafford street Hanley finds one hit in 1911 > > Looking at that finds the Hotel is the Saracens Head schedule 2 > > Looking at the 1911 for Staffs and selecting Hanley ED28 page 4 (usually 2 > pages per schedule, 4 in > this case as its the large schedule) finds the page for the Hotel & > occupants > > The name is actually Elizabeth HACCKET on the page and it looks to me as if > he simply did not know > how to spell the name or just entered a stray C , (I have done it myself :-) > > Against her name and the others after the CHAMBERLAINs is the word Boarder , > her relationship to the > head of household is assistant, all the others after her are servants > > G CHAMBERLAIN signs the schedule, address Saracens Hotel (43 rooms) > > It certainly looks like a good possibility for her > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > > > The reference is RG14PN16538 RG78PN1022 RD361 SD1 ED28 SN2 > > By the way, Ancestry appears not to have a complete 1911 census of Staffs > > yet. I tried with the Publican's name at this hotel, a George Chamberlain, > > but he couldn't be found. > > > > Hope this helps, > > > > Brian Binns > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4727 - Release Date: 01/06/12 > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4727 - Release Date: 01/06/12 > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4727 - Release Date: 01/06/12 > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message = ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4727 - Release Date: 01/06/12 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4727 - Release Date: 01/06/12 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4729 - Release Date: 01/07/12
OK; Sorry - I did not look up the census entry ! Please forgive the intrusion! Jean Wood > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > CC: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [NTT] 1911 census search > Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 09:59:17 +0000 > > Jean, > > Just to clarify. This Elizabeth's occupation was recorded - by the main > householder i.e. the Hotel Proprietor - as a "Barmaid." It was her > relationship with the main householder that was recorded as "Assistant", > with the enumerator having added the word "Boarder." > > Brian Binns > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jean > Wood > Sent: 07 January 2012 16:25 > To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; Nottsgen > Subject: [NTT] 1911 census search > > > Just to add my two pennorth to this discussion; > > I was formerly a Primary teacher: we were officially entitled "Assistant > teachers" i.e. assistants to the head teacher - or now "qualified teachers" > = QTs. There is a possibility that this lady said she was an assistant > teacher and just the first word was heard by the form filler (especially if > he was having trouble writing a relatively simple name like Hacket/t) > > Jean Wood > > > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] > > Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 10:09:58 +0000 > > Subject: Re: [NTT] 1911 census search > > > > Hi Nivard, > > > > The transcribers at Find my Past have actually recorded it as Harcket, not > > as I originally advised. On the actual return which I have on the screen > in > > front of me, the word Boarder has been added by the enumerator, with ditto > > marks for all the other persons listed below Elizabeth. It was not > recorded > > by the main householder. However, as you rightly say, Elizabeth is denoted > > as an "assistant" whereas all the others are servants. > > > > I still think that this is Jo-Ann's elusive Elizabeth. > > > > Brian Binns > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Nivard Ovington [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: 07 January 2012 09:56 > > To: Brian Binns; [email protected]; [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [NTT] 1911 census search > > > > Hi Brian & Jo-Ann > > > > Ancestry have the full 1911 for Staffs but its not transcribed as yet > > > > You can search the RG78 summaries which are very useful for addresses I > find > > > > Being summaries they usually record the surname only or with initials , so > a > > search for CHAMBERLAIN > > and keywords Stafford street Hanley finds one hit in 1911 > > > > Looking at that finds the Hotel is the Saracens Head schedule 2 > > > > Looking at the 1911 for Staffs and selecting Hanley ED28 page 4 (usually 2 > > pages per schedule, 4 in > > this case as its the large schedule) finds the page for the Hotel & > > occupants > > > > The name is actually Elizabeth HACCKET on the page and it looks to me as > if > > he simply did not know > > how to spell the name or just entered a stray C , (I have done it myself > :-) > > > > Against her name and the others after the CHAMBERLAINs is the word Boarder > , > > her relationship to the > > head of household is assistant, all the others after her are servants > > > > G CHAMBERLAIN signs the schedule, address Saracens Hotel (43 rooms) > > > > It certainly looks like a good possibility for her > > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > > > > > > > > The reference is RG14PN16538 RG78PN1022 RD361 SD1 ED28 SN2 > > > By the way, Ancestry appears not to have a complete 1911 census of > Staffs > > > yet. I tried with the Publican's name at this hotel, a George > Chamberlain, > > > but he couldn't be found. > > > > > > Hope this helps, > > > > > > Brian Binns > > > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4727 - Release Date: 01/06/12 > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4727 - Release Date: 01/06/12 > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4727 - Release Date: 01/06/12 > > > > > > > > Notts Surname List > > > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > = > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4727 - Release Date: 01/06/12 > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4727 - Release Date: 01/06/12 > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4729 - Release Date: 01/07/12 >