My apologies to the list for omitting some relevant details from my post - I knew I was referring to Nottingham. Tired brain! Peter, the marriage took place at the Register Office, Nottingham. Some years ago Nivard found the children in the Nottingham workhouse. All I had on Henry WILLIAMS was his name on Mary's marriage entry. The Lincolnshire birth doesn't fit properly but the spelling of Harriett was the same, and there was a marriage for Henry for the same period. Thank you for looking, especially by occupation which I'm only able to do if I go to the library. I hadn't considered the possibility of Henry placing the children in the workhouse himself. Elizabeth, I think you may have found Mary's birth, and her mother, thank you. I'm reasonably confident about Edward Henry WILLIAMS being Mary's brother so that would appear to confirm her parents. Does anyone think that the register office marriage may have been because Mary was RC and Thomas was not? I'm off to look for Mary SIBYLLE / SIBILLE any help is always appreciated. Kate.