Thank you; you are of course absolutely right! So, apart from the BBC, Shirley could also try contacting those two people and see whether either can directly, or indirectly, guide her to their sources.....maybe even others, not mentioned on the programme. Jean Wood > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NTT] NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 50 > Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 13:56:02 +0000 > > Hi Jean & fellow listers > My recollection of the programs was :- > 1) Tracey Emin had a travellers background and > 2) Larry Lamb had travelling/circus connections > > Best wishes > Frances > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jean Wood > Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 9:04 AM > To: [email protected] ; Nottsgen > Subject: Re: [NTT] NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 50 > > > There was a very interesting programme on Who do you think you are? a few > months back where someone was descended from a Traveller community and Yes, > as far as I remember, fairgrounds were concerned. Once they tracked down one > of the current family, a huge amount of information surfaced - and lots of > siblings. > > You could try the BBC to ask Which Programme, and what names were > concerned - I do not remember but there were some different, unusual, > sources mentioned. I did not note them down though. > > I used to teach proper gipsy children (of Romany origin) on a Hants/Berks > border site, and they were always very particular about observing marriages > etc, so that when one child was discovered (about 1970) unknown to the > authorities, he had been hidden by the family as he was illegitimate and > unregistered. (He was perfectly well looked after) But when he came to > school, although of junior age (over 7) he was sent to the infant school as > he did not know many basic things - like what a pencil was. He caught up > quickly, but the shame to the family was great. > > Jean Wood > > > > Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:32:23 +0000 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [NTT] NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 50 > > > > I started my family tree about 15 years ago,I started with my father's > > side of the family and discovered my grandfather was illigitimate,fell out > > with my cousin over that one! I found some unexpected surprises that I was > > quite happy with, I then proceeded to do my mother's side of the family > > and it's been a nightmare so far! My mother always told me she was > > illigitimate,her mother either didn't know the father or just refused to > > say. My mother has used 4 different maiden names on her certificates for > > marriage and births,lucky I chose to do the family history to explain it > > all! My Gran got married the following year after mum was born,step > > grandfather Harry Williams said he was 26 in 1907 when they married in > > Ashby Z and he was a coal miner so then I tried to find him in > > 1881,1891,1901 without any luck and finally found him on 1911 census, I > > also tried to find his father William Williams (deceased in 1907) with no > > luck either. The place of birth for > > step grandfather was Castle Ashby,Norths which I took to be > > Northampton,the only trouble is his job was now Traveller! on the > > roundabouts so obviously fairground (now living in Pudsey in 1911) > > Maybe this is why I can't track him down,too much moving about! I have no > > idea when he died or where and Gran remarried in 1939 in Nottingham saying > > she was a widow. I tried looking at the electoral rolls in Nottingham > > between 1926 and 1952 but he wasn't with Gran. I have looked on the war > > graves site but he has a common surname of Williams. There were half a > > dozen more children after mum,half of them were Harry's but the other half > > belong to a Peter Williams. > > No idea who he was. > > I have tried talking to a few cousins but they know less than I do! > > The only new clue I have is the name Dashwood which is what mum used on my > > youngest brother's birth certificate and a family tree recently popped up > > on Ancestry with a similar name in it which I think is an older brother of > > my mother living in Nottingham,I did try to contact the person a couple of > > times but no reply was the answer! > > I may have to wait for another census to come out before I can move any > > further. I can't tell you how much I have struggled with this crowd! > > Any suggestions where I look next? > > > > Shirley > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Friday, 17 February 2012, 22:55 > > Subject: NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 50 > > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 48 > > ([email protected]) > > 2. Chapel Street, Radford (Rosemary Probert) > > 3. Re: Chapel Street, Radford (Brian Binns) > > 4. Re: Skeletons (was: NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 48) > > (The Quineys) > > 5. Divorce (Louis Mills) > > 6. Skeletons (was: NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 48) (Jean Wood) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:03:49 -0000 > > From: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [NTT] NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 48 > > To: [email protected] > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > > > From: Shirley Elston <[email protected]> > > > > > Talking of divorce earlier,I was married in 1974 to someone and we > > > were both married before and had to obtain divorce papers to get > > > married to each other. > > > I knew my OH had been married before so didn't think anything of it > > > at the time. > > > We were together about 40 years altogether,10 of them before we > > > married and 30 years married and then we divorced just a few years > > > ago. I learned my ex had died a couple of years ago and for some > > > unknown reason I was looking on Ancestry at marriages for our > > > marriage details,just curiosity I suppose,like you do! I was amazed > > > to see that my ex had been married twice before he married me and > > > the second marriage had occurred while married still to the first > > > wife! > > > Well of course I had to persue this as I started to wonder about my > > > own marriage,thankfully the second wife had divorced him just a few > > > months before he married me. The second marriage he had was in the > > > 60's so at the in between stage of computers which is probably why > > > he got away with it. He produced the first marriage divorce papers > > > to marry me. He is dead now so I can't even ask him about it . > > > During the first 10 years we were together it suited me not to > > > re-marry after the first disaster and I suppose he didn't persue it > > > because of what he had done! I must confess I was a bit shocked to > > > discover this. > > > > > > Shirley < > > > > Having been in genealogy for around 40 years now, the very first thing I > > always tell beginners > > when they ask my advice on how to get started is this: "If you are the > > sort of person who is > > going to be upset by what you might discover, then don't even think about > > doing it!" > > > > When I began in the 1970s my late mother was horrified and begged my wife > > to try and stop > > me. Why? Because virtually the very first thing I found out was that not > > only had my father > > been married before, moreover that he had had an illegitimate daughter by > > another woman > > (not his wife) who was my half-sister. As it happens, my sister and I > > found each other a few > > years later (she lives in Australia) and we have met a number of times and > > got to know each > > other. We still keep in touch now and then via e-mail. > > > > I could never understand why my mother was so desperate not for me to find > > out, a > > generational thing I suppose. It turned out when I eventually contacted my > > half-sister that all > > the family had known about her, my father's brother and sisters had sent > > her birthday and > > Christmas cards and presents, but no-one had ever told me! My initial > > reaction was anger > > that I had been prevented from knowing I had a sister for the first half > > of my life, but that has > > now gone away and we just enjoy keeping in touch. > > > > Families and family history is a funny business and anyone who can't > > accept what they find > > shouldn't be in it at all! Thanks for giving us your experience, Shirley. > > > > -- > > Roy Stockdill > > Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > > and that is not being talked about." > > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:45:29 +0000 > > From: Rosemary Probert <[email protected]> > > Subject: [NTT] Chapel Street, Radford > > To: nottinghamshire Mailing List <[email protected]> > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > I'm trying to find out where Chapel Street is/was in Radford. I've been > > going cross-eyed looking at maps and I wonder if any one can point me in > > the right direction. > > > > I'd also like to find a photo of it or the area, > > > > Thank you > > > > Rosemary > > Northumberland UK > > > > Email: [email protected] > > Family History: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rprobert/ > > Banburyshire Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engcbanb/ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:13:37 -0000 > > From: "Brian Binns" <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [NTT] Chapel Street, Radford > > To: <[email protected]> > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Rosemary, > > > > To give you some idea of the housing in that area, check out the > > www.picturethepast.org.uk website and search for Moores Yard. This was on > > Pelican Street and was where my Greatgrandmother was on the 1891 census. I > > do not know, but I imagine that the houses, yards and courts on Chapel > > Street were very similar. > > > > Brian Binns > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > > On Behalf Of Rosemary Probert > > Sent: 17 February 2012 16:45 > > To: nottinghamshire Mailing List > > Subject: [NTT] Chapel Street, Radford > > > > I'm trying to find out where Chapel Street is/was in Radford. I've been > > going cross-eyed looking at maps and I wonder if any one can point me in > > the right direction. > > > > I'd also like to find a photo of it or the area, > > > > Thank you > > > > Rosemary > > Northumberland UK > > > > Email: [email protected] > > Family History: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rprobert/ > > Banburyshire Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engcbanb/ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > Notts Surname List > > > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4814 - Release Date: 02/16/12 > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4814 - Release Date: 02/16/12 > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4814 - Release Date: 02/16/12 > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:15:06 +0000 > > From: The Quineys <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [NTT] Skeletons (was: NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 48) > > To: [email protected] > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > > > When I started researching the family tree in my teens, my grandfather > > told my brother to tell me that he (my GF) wouldn't help me in any way > > and that I shouldn't ask! I carried on regardless but without his help ;-) > > > > For his 90th birthday, I presented him with a hand written 'tree (I did > > calligraphy) - him, 2 generations back and 2 generations forward - not > > in great detail - just names. He realised and appreciated what I had > > achieved and there and then bequeathed me his family albums and all his > > diaries, etc. > > > > By that time, I had discovered that his father was illegitimate - what > > he didn't want me to know (thus no dates on the 'tree). But it was a > > year or so after his death, that I discovered that his mother was > > illegitimate as well. I will never know if *he* ever knew about that or > > not. > > > > I found it fascinating but my dad was really shocked when I told him of > > the illegitimacies - 1 generation closer to him was a little too close. > > I now temper my excitement when I come across a piece of juicy intrigue! > > > > Heather > > > > > > > > On 17/02/2012 10:03, [email protected] wrote: > > > From: Shirley Elston<[email protected]> > > > > > >> Talking of divorce earlier,I was married in 1974 to someone and we > > >> were both married before and had to obtain divorce papers to get > > >> married to each other. > > >> I knew my OH had been married before so didn't think anything of it > > >> at the time. > > >> We were together about 40 years altogether,10 of them before we > > >> married and 30 years married and then we divorced just a few years > > >> ago. I learned my ex had died a couple of years ago and for some > > >> unknown reason I was looking on Ancestry at marriages for our > > >> marriage details,just curiosity I suppose,like you do! I was amazed > > >> to see that my ex had been married twice before he married me and > > >> the second marriage had occurred while married still to the first > > >> wife! > > >> Well of course I had to persue this as I started to wonder about my > > >> own marriage,thankfully the second wife had divorced him just a few > > >> months before he married me. The second marriage he had was in the > > >> 60's so at the in between stage of computers which is probably why > > >> he got away with it. He produced the first marriage divorce papers > > >> to marry me. He is dead now so I can't even ask him about it . > > >> During the first 10 years we were together it suited me not to > > >> re-marry after the first disaster and I suppose he didn't persue it > > >> because of what he had done! I must confess I was a bit shocked to > > >> discover this. > > >> > > >> Shirley< > > > Having been in genealogy for around 40 years now, the very first thing I > > > always tell beginners > > > when they ask my advice on how to get started is this: "If you are the > > > sort of person who is > > > going to be upset by what you might discover, then don't even think > > > about doing it!" > > > > > > When I began in the 1970s my late mother was horrified and begged my > > > wife to try and stop > > > me. Why? Because virtually the very first thing I found out was that not > > > only had my father > > > been married before, moreover that he had had an illegitimate daughter > > > by another woman > > > (not his wife) who was my half-sister. As it happens, my sister and I > > > found each other a few > > > years later (she lives in Australia) and we have met a number of times > > > and got to know each > > > other. We still keep in touch now and then via e-mail. > > > > > > I could never understand why my mother was so desperate not for me to > > > find out, a > > > generational thing I suppose. It turned out when I eventually contacted > > > my half-sister that all > > > the family had known about her, my father's brother and sisters had sent > > > her birthday and > > > Christmas cards and presents, but no-one had ever told me! My initial > > > reaction was anger > > > that I had been prevented from knowing I had a sister for the first half > > > of my life, but that has > > > now gone away and we just enjoy keeping in touch. > > > > > > Families and family history is a funny business and anyone who can't > > > accept what they find > > > shouldn't be in it at all! Thanks for giving us your experience, > > > Shirley. > > > > > > -- > > > Roy Stockdill > > > Genealogical researcher, writer& lecturer > > > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy& Family History: > > > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > > > > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > > > and that is not being talked about." > > > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Notts Surname List > > > > > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:29:39 -0800 (PST) > > From: Louis Mills <[email protected]> > > Subject: [NTT] Divorce > > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > Message-ID: > > <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > I've been reading about these divorces mentioned on the list.? I once > > looked up the history of the "divorce" process, a task that made my wife > > somewhat nervous.? But it was interesting because I had seen people > > discussing it on the Lincolnshire mailing list. > > > > You can see my findings at: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~englin/divorce.htm > > > > It includes a discussion of "Wife sales".? I assume that these are no > > longer allowed in Nottinghamshire, as well. > > > > ??? Lou > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 6 > > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:55:35 +0100 > > From: Jean Wood <[email protected]> > > Subject: [NTT] Skeletons (was: NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 48) > > To: <[email protected]>, Nottsgen <[email protected]> > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > > Aeons ago, I was 17, doing A levels in both Art and History. I wanted to > > make a circular, calligraphic, family tree going back say 4 generations. > > My paternal grandmother was positively obstructive. We all knew that her > > father was Italian, and she was not too keen to tell me much about him and > > his family, but when it came to her father-in-law, (and I never knew my > > grandfather who died 5 years before I was born) she became positively > > vitriolic. We all knew that he had started an artificial limb business > > before 1890 (and it still exists, but is not in Notts) but she would tell > > me NOTHING. > > > > Her mantra was "they're dead and gone and best forgotten" (nor did she > > approve of my idea to learn italian though she could speak it perfectly > > well) > > > > Over 20 years later, with a young family and having been struggling to > > continue family research, using public transport to go to distant Record > > Offices and libraries, and in contact with a distant cousin, descendant of > > the family who still run the limb business, I received a phone call out of > > the blue. It was an official genealogist who wanted to ask me questions > > about my research, and specifically about my grandmother. I told him what > > I knew.He was preparing a book on the centenary of the business.. I > > remarked that I had discovered that my great grandfather, the one Grandma > > detested, had left a Will, proved in August 1926, but then revoked and a > > new grant of probate made in February 1927. > > > > My inquirer, said, "Oh, yes. The other family challenged the Will." > > > > (My father was an incorrigible romancer and teller of tall tales, so it > > was ALWAYS difficult to separate fact from fiction. He had remarked now > > and again that several young men, the spit of his father, followed the > > coffin. He was 8 years old in 1926) > > It turned out that indeed, G grandfather had set up house with a > > soubrette - former companion to Stan Laurel - by whom she had a son in > > November 1911. The lady friend's house was within about 3 miles of the > > family home. My grandparents married in July 1913 and had lived next door > > to each other for most of their childhood. > > > > Can you imagine? - the scandal of your father-in-law playing away, with > > living proof, less than two years before the posh wedding you had been > > building up to for years! It probably also explains the stony expression > > on the young bride's face in the wedding photo! Father in law looks like > > the cat with the cream and his wife ( these 2 my g grandparents) just > > looks weary. > > > > Shortly after this phone call (1989 or thereabouts,) I had one long phone > > call and one long letter from the son of the 1911 baby. Sadly i have heard > > nothing since. He was very bitter about the whole business - and this 70+ > > years on. He was only a couple of years older than me, but was effectively > > my father's cousin. > > > > Jean Wood > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:15:06 +0000 > > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [NTT] Skeletons (was: NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 48) > > > > > > > > > When I started researching the family tree in my teens, my grandfather > > > told my brother to tell me that he (my GF) wouldn't help me in any way > > > and that I shouldn't ask! I carried on regardless but without his help > > > ;-) > > > > > > For his 90th birthday, I presented him with a hand written 'tree (I did > > > calligraphy) - him, 2 generations back and 2 generations forward - not > > > in great detail - just names. He realised and appreciated what I had > > > achieved and there and then bequeathed me his family albums and all his > > > diaries, etc. > > > > > > By that time, I had discovered that his father was illegitimate - what > > > he didn't want me to know (thus no dates on the 'tree). But it was a > > > year or so after his death, that I discovered that his mother was > > > illegitimate as well. I will never know if *he* ever knew about that or > > > not. > > > > > > I found it fascinating but my dad was really shocked when I told him of > > > the illegitimacies - 1 generation closer to him was a little too close. > > > I now temper my excitement when I come across a piece of juicy intrigue! > > > > > > Heather > > > > > > > > > > > > On 17/02/2012 10:03, [email protected] wrote: > > > > From: Shirley Elston<[email protected]> > > > > > > > >> Talking of divorce earlier,I was married in 1974 to someone and we > > > >> were both married before and had to obtain divorce papers to get > > > >> married to each other. > > > >> I knew my OH had been married before so didn't think anything of it > > > >> at the time. > > > >> We were together about 40 years altogether,10 of them before we > > > >> married and 30 years married and then we divorced just a few years > > > >> ago. I learned my ex had died a couple of years ago and for some > > > >> unknown reason I was looking on Ancestry at marriages for our > > > >> marriage details,just curiosity I suppose,like you do! I was amazed > > > >> to see that my ex had been married twice before he married me and > > > >> the second marriage had occurred while married still to the first > > > >> wife! > > > >> Well of course I had to persue this as I started to wonder about my > > > >> own marriage,thankfully the second wife had divorced him just a few > > > >> months before he married me. The second marriage he had was in the > > > >> 60's so at the in between stage of computers which is probably why > > > >> he got away with it. He produced the first marriage divorce papers > > > >> to marry me. He is dead now so I can't even ask him about it . > > > >> During the first 10 years we were together it suited me not to > > > >> re-marry after the first disaster and I suppose he didn't persue it > > > >> because of what he had done! I must confess I was a bit shocked to > > > >> discover this. > > > >> > > > >> Shirley< > > > > Having been in genealogy for around 40 years now, the very first thing > > > > I always tell beginners > > > > when they ask my advice on how to get started is this: "If you are the > > > > sort of person who is > > > > going to be upset by what you might discover, then don't even think > > > > about doing it!" > > > > > > > > When I began in the 1970s my late mother was horrified and begged my > > > > wife to try and stop > > > > me. Why? Because virtually the very first thing I found out was that > > > > not only had my father > > > > been married before, moreover that he had had an illegitimate daughter > > > > by another woman > > > > (not his wife) who was my half-sister. As it happens, my sister and I > > > > found each other a few > > > > years later (she lives in Australia) and we have met a number of times > > > > and got to know each > > > > other. We still keep in touch now and then via e-mail. > > > > > > > > I could never understand why my mother was so desperate not for me to > > > > find out, a > > > > generational thing I suppose. It turned out when I eventually > > > > contacted my half-sister that all > > > > the family had known about her, my father's brother and sisters had > > > > sent her birthday and > > > > Christmas cards and presents, but no-one had ever told me! My initial > > > > reaction was anger > > > > that I had been prevented from knowing I had a sister for the first > > > > half of my life, but that has > > > > now gone away and we just enjoy keeping in touch. > > > > > > > > Families and family history is a funny business and anyone who can't > > > > accept what they find > > > > shouldn't be in it at all! Thanks for giving us your experience, > > > > Shirley. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Roy Stockdill > > > > Genealogical researcher, writer& lecturer > > > > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy& Family History: > > > > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > > > > > > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > > > > and that is not being talked about." > > > > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Notts Surname List > > > > > > > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > Notts Surname List > > > > > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > End of NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 50 > > *************************************** > > > > > > Notts Surname List > > > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Shirley, Might be worth posting a request to rootsweb's Gypsy-genealogy message board:- http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.ethnic.gypsy/mb.ashx John Hardy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Wood" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; "Nottsgen" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [NTT] NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 50 > > Thank you; you are of course absolutely right! > > So, apart from the BBC, Shirley could also try contacting those two people > and see whether either can directly, or indirectly, guide her to their > sources.....maybe even others, not mentioned on the programme. > > Jean Wood > > >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected]; [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [NTT] NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 50 >> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 13:56:02 +0000 >> >> Hi Jean & fellow listers >> My recollection of the programs was :- >> 1) Tracey Emin had a travellers background and >> 2) Larry Lamb had travelling/circus connections >> >> Best wishes >> Frances