Dear list I’m hoping someone could help find out more about my G Grandfather William TURNER. This is going to take a bit to explain, so bear with me. This is going to be a bit long winded but I want to get everything down. My Grandfather was George William TURNER. He was born 5 May 1906 in Hemswell Grange, Lincs. His birth cert. lists his parents as William TURNER and Ellen GLADWIN. I can’t find their marriage. I have found them in 1911 census in Elkesley, East Retford (RG14 Piece 20204). According to the census William was born in Kirton in Lindsay in abt. 1869.(FreeBMD has a couple good fits). Ellen was born abt. 1876 in Whittington, Derby(found her birth). It says they had 4 children. Joseph b.1896 in Whitwell, Derby, Elsie Mable b. 1900 in Whitwell, Derby, my grandfather George and Selina Lynn b. 1908. There is a 6 year gap between Elsie and George. Now here’s where it gets interesting. I tried to find them in 1901 and had no luck. I tried just putting Elsie’s first name and birthplace. I believe I found her in 1901 in Whitwell (piece 3129, folio 25, pg. 2) but with a different last name. In the household was Ellen, Joseph and Elsie but also a husband named Edward JERYMN. I was never able to find to find Joseph or Elsie TURNER on the FreeBmd. I found them as JERYMN. Right dates and district. There is no death listed for a Edward JERYMN (JARMAN)(JERMYN) that fits until 1918. If you have been able to follow my ramblings, what do you think of my hypothesis? Is there a site that lists divorces? Did people just move on and not get a divorce? Should I spend the money and order either Joseph’s or Elsie’s birth cert to be sure or do you think I’m on the wrong track? Thank you, if you have read this far, for taking the time. Karen Walker Port Dover, Can

Karen, The facts seem to be Edward JERMYN married Ellen GLADWIN in 1896 at Worksop and they had Joseph 1896 and Elsie 1900. In 1901 they are living in Whitwell, Derby. In 1911, Ellen is in Elkesley, Notts supposedly married to William Turner with Joseph, Elsie and George b1906 and Selina b1908. No records have been found for the death of Edward Jermyn or Ellen's marriage to William Turner. Unfortunately, you don't give Edward's occupation. If a seafarer or a miner even, he could be lost and no body found, so no death record. He may have even left the country. Indeed as you suggest there could be a separation or divorce. It seems pertinent that Ellen waited almost exactly seven years, which I think is the legal time for such events. We'll probably never know what happened to Edward. You could check Ancestry for possible deaths all around the world. Did William & Ellen ever marry? Again we may never know. Have you been too restrictive in you searches? Try expanding it to all counties 1901-1937 and leaving out her surname. But in the end. Do either of these records matter? You have your family. You know most of the story. If it happened today, nobody would even blink and eye. Peter

Yes, there is a site that lists divorces - it is on fmp, (find my past) but only goes from 1858 t0 1903, and oddly I have indirect people in both first and last years - but nothing in between. So this may not be the right time slot for you ( or it might be - just.) I had an odd discovery of a cover up for an unmarried mother in 1939, which was covered up by the 16 year old appearing under her parental's marriage cert - but I smelled a rat as her mother was already 50! When I investigated further- and bought the relevant certificates (which confirmed my suspicion - too complicated for here) I discovered that the first marriage in 1915 had become a divorce by 1927 when the mother (Dorothy) remarried. Now, I never found the date of the divorce, but this was a well to do family - divorces were expensive - on Dorothy's second marriage cert it states Dorothy (married surname) divorced, (maiden name) and both names appear in the BMD indices. MANY people remarried without benefit of divorce and just hoped it would not be discovered. It was this - discovery of the bigamous marrige in 1858 - which led to the first wife seeking a divorce in my family. (It seems he - my 4 x gr-uncle - was never punished and remarried the 2nd wife to whom he remained devoted for the rest of his life) Finally, have you looked under the name GERMAN for a death? Jean Wood > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 23:51:35 -0500 > Subject: [NTT] Gladwin/Turner > > Dear list > > I’m hoping someone could help find out more about my G Grandfather William TURNER. This is going to take a bit to explain, so bear with me. This is going to be a bit long winded but I want to get everything down. > My Grandfather was George William TURNER. He was born 5 May 1906 in Hemswell Grange, Lincs. His birth cert. lists his parents as William TURNER and Ellen GLADWIN. I can’t find their marriage. I have found them in 1911 census in Elkesley, East Retford (RG14 Piece 20204). According to the census William was born in Kirton in Lindsay in abt. 1869.(FreeBMD has a couple good fits). Ellen was born abt. 1876 in Whittington, Derby(found her birth). It says they had 4 children. Joseph b.1896 in Whitwell, Derby, Elsie Mable b. 1900 in Whitwell, Derby, my grandfather George and Selina Lynn b. 1908. There is a 6 year gap between Elsie and George. Now here’s where it gets interesting. I tried to find them in 1901 and had no luck. I tried just putting Elsie’s first name and birthplace. I believe I found her in 1901 in Whitwell (piece 3129, folio 25, pg. 2) but with a different last name. In the household was Ellen, Joseph and Elsie but also a husband named Edward JERYMN. I was never abl! e to find to find Joseph or Elsie TURNER on the FreeBmd. I found them as JERYMN. Right dates and district. There is no death listed for a Edward JERYMN (JARMAN)(JERMYN) that fits until 1918. If you have been able to follow my ramblings, what do you think of my hypothesis? Is there a site that lists divorces? Did people just move on and not get a divorce? Should I spend the money and order either Joseph’s or Elsie’s birth cert to be sure or do you think I’m on the wrong track? > Thank you, if you have read this far, for taking the time. > > Karen Walker > Port Dover, Can > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message