G'day Tony; There is a Marriage of Alice PROCTER to a Rowland REDD on 20 Nov 1558 Ted -----Original Message----- From: Tony Proctor [mailto:tony@proctor.net] Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 10:48 PM To: Aliqot; Ted Stevenson Cc: NOTTSGEN@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NTT] Gedling By coincidence, I was agonising over whether to buy 'A History of Epperstone' by James Gunn. I couldn't find out how much information it might contain without buying it. Given Ted's experiences then maybe I should just go for it, and take a chance. Tony Proctor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aliqot" <aliqot@aol.com> To: "Ted Stevenson" <tedstevenson@optusnet.com.au> Cc: <NOTTSGEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [NTT] Gedling > Hello Ted, > > Anything of interest about SHELTON would be much appreciated. My lot > lived mostly in Stoke Bardolph, and I have most of the PR info. > > No mad rush - thanks for the offer > > Alison Merricks > > Sent from my iPad > > On 15 Sep 2013, at 12:49, "Ted Stevenson" > <tedstevenson@optusnet.com.au> > wrote: > >> Hi Carolyn (and anyone else with Gedling connections) >> >> I have a book entitled >> >> “A History of Gedling, Notts” by Charles Gerring, F.R.Hist.S >> >> This book contains the names of almost anyone that has ever been >> associated with Gedling as well as the parish registers from 1558 >> until >> 1812 >> If anyone would like me to look up any names please let me know. >> >> PS: I am not known for my speed, but I DO eventually get these thing >> done ☺ >> >> Ted Stevenson Who once lived in Gedling >> >> Of Perth, Western Australia >> Researching HAWKSLEY of Derbyshire and post 1830, Nottingham >> >> >> >> >> >> Notts Surname List >> >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Carolyn (and anyone else with Gedling connections) I have a book entitled “A History of Gedling, Notts” by Charles Gerring, F.R.Hist.S This book contains the names of almost anyone that has ever been associated with Gedling as well as the parish registers from 1558 until 1812 If anyone would like me to look up any names please let me know. PS: I am not known for my speed, but I DO eventually get these thing done ☺ Ted Stevenson Who once lived in Gedling Of Perth, Western Australia Researching HAWKSLEY of Derbyshire and post 1830, Nottingham

Hi Ted, are there any CROSSLAND or BIRD families mentioned? Thanks Jan xx On 15 Sep 2013, at 12:49, "Ted Stevenson" <tedstevenson@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > Hi Carolyn (and anyone else with Gedling connections) > > I have a book entitled > > “A History of Gedling, Notts” by Charles Gerring, F.R.Hist.S > > This book contains the names of almost anyone that has ever been associated with Gedling as well as the parish registers from 1558 until 1812 > If anyone would like me to look up any names please let me know. > > PS: I am not known for my speed, but I DO eventually get these thing done ☺ > > Ted Stevenson Who once lived in Gedling > > Of Perth, Western Australia > Researching HAWKSLEY of Derbyshire and post 1830, Nottingham > > > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

By coincidence, I was agonising over whether to buy 'A History of Epperstone' by James Gunn. I couldn't find out how much information it might contain without buying it. Given Ted's experiences then maybe I should just go for it, and take a chance. Tony Proctor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aliqot" <aliqot@aol.com> To: "Ted Stevenson" <tedstevenson@optusnet.com.au> Cc: <NOTTSGEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [NTT] Gedling > Hello Ted, > > Anything of interest about SHELTON would be much appreciated. My lot > lived mostly in Stoke Bardolph, and I have most of the PR info. > > No mad rush - thanks for the offer > > Alison Merricks > > Sent from my iPad > > On 15 Sep 2013, at 12:49, "Ted Stevenson" <tedstevenson@optusnet.com.au> > wrote: > >> Hi Carolyn (and anyone else with Gedling connections) >> >> I have a book entitled >> >> “A History of Gedling, Notts” by Charles Gerring, F.R.Hist.S >> >> This book contains the names of almost anyone that has ever been >> associated with Gedling as well as the parish registers from 1558 until >> 1812 >> If anyone would like me to look up any names please let me know. >> >> PS: I am not known for my speed, but I DO eventually get these thing >> done ☺ >> >> Ted Stevenson Who once lived in Gedling >> >> Of Perth, Western Australia >> Researching HAWKSLEY of Derbyshire and post 1830, Nottingham >> >> >> >> >> >> Notts Surname List >> >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Ted, Anything of interest about SHELTON would be much appreciated. My lot lived mostly in Stoke Bardolph, and I have most of the PR info. No mad rush - thanks for the offer Alison Merricks Sent from my iPad On 15 Sep 2013, at 12:49, "Ted Stevenson" <tedstevenson@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > Hi Carolyn (and anyone else with Gedling connections) > > I have a book entitled > > “A History of Gedling, Notts” by Charles Gerring, F.R.Hist.S > > This book contains the names of almost anyone that has ever been associated with Gedling as well as the parish registers from 1558 until 1812 > If anyone would like me to look up any names please let me know. > > PS: I am not known for my speed, but I DO eventually get these thing done ☺ > > Ted Stevenson Who once lived in Gedling > > Of Perth, Western Australia > Researching HAWKSLEY of Derbyshire and post 1830, Nottingham > > > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have visited John Jarvis' grave at Gallipoli. If anyone would like a photograph of the grave and cemetery, please get in touch. ________________________________ From: Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> To: Notts List <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, 13 September 2013, 13:20 Subject: [NTT] Private John JARVIS KIA 12th or 13th Nov 1915 Nottingham Evening Post March 22, 1916 Hi all Found in the newspapers along with a photo Private John JARVIS Nottingham Evening Post March 22, 1916 Pte John JARVIS 8th Sherwood Foresters 123 Salisbury street Radford killed in action Nov 12th (1915) aged 17 years Private John JARVIS is in soldiers died as follows (death date 13th) JARVIS, J Rank: Private Service No: 22968 Date of Death: 13/11/1915 Regiment/Service: Sherwood Foresters (Notts and Derby Regiment) 9th Bn. Grave Reference I. D. 2. Cemetery AZMAK CEMETERY, SUVLA And the CWGC as UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919 about John Jarvis Name:     John Jarvis Birth Place:     Nottingham Death Date:     13 Nov 1915 Death Location:     Gallipoli Enlistment Location:     Nottingham Rank:     Private Regiment:     Sherwood Foresters (Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire Regiment) Battalion:     9th Battalion Number:     22968 Type of Casualty:     Killed in action Theatre of War:     Balkan Theatre Source Information: Military-Genealogy.com, comp. UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2008. Original data: British and Irish Military Databases. The Naval and Military Press Ltd. If anyone wants a copy of the photo just ask -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

With apologies to Ted and others abroad there is another new BBC period series worth catching , for those able to view it or when it comes round .  Its about a group of thugs in the Birmingham area just after WW1 . They generally ran betting and protection rackets in the city , as well as carrying out muggings . Called the Peaky Blinders because they had razor blades sown into the peaks of their caps . For those with newspaper archive access , there are plenty of references to Peaky Blinders , though can't see any references to the Shelby name in the TV series linked to them . Most of the stories in the papers I have found so far , seem to be from the late 1800s and seem to be for the more petty crimes . For me , it was not the actual story but the setting , in a gritty inner city area just after WW1 . I had relatives in the less savoury areas of Nottingham and can imagine some of it could have looked similar at the time . I doubt Nottingham had so many open furnaces burning throughout the night in the city streets  but the other street and pub / cinema scenes may have been typical of the time . http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p01fj94w/Peaky_Blinders_Episode_1/

I’m starting to wonder if Nottsgen is now sponsored by the BBC !!! ☺

Thanks to those who helped with this, especially Kathy and Brian. Life has been getting in the way of FH again so I apologise for the tardy response. I know more than when I asked the question so that's progress. All the best, Kate.

One of the most arresting sites in Ypres - apart from the superb Cloth Hall and The Menin Gate - are the houses around the square, with the vast majority displaying a year on their frontage - if I remember correctly it's 1922 - showing when the town centre was rebuilt. House after house after house. The town was virtually obliterated over the course of the many battle around there from 1914-1918. A chilling reminder. Brian Binns

From the newspapers It just made me smile :-) Chelmsford Chronicle September 14, 1917 Signs of the Times In the war communique we seem to be hearing considerable mention again of Ypres, which reminds me of the wounded soldier in hospital who, in the course of describing to a lady visitor a previous battle in that region, spoke repeatedly of "Wipers". Each time he mentioned the town the lady gently corrected his pronunciation by giving, under her breath, the French rendering - and by that I do not mean the Anglo-French compromise "Eepray". Afterwards he whispered to a nurse, "what was the matter with that old girl? every time I mentioned Wipers she went and hiccoughed" -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Hi all Found in the newspapers along with a photo Private John JARVIS Nottingham Evening Post March 22, 1916 Pte John JARVIS 8th Sherwood Foresters 123 Salisbury street Radford killed in action Nov 12th (1915) aged 17 years Private John JARVIS is in soldiers died as follows (death date 13th) JARVIS, J Rank: Private Service No: 22968 Date of Death: 13/11/1915 Regiment/Service: Sherwood Foresters (Notts and Derby Regiment) 9th Bn. Grave Reference I. D. 2. Cemetery AZMAK CEMETERY, SUVLA And the CWGC as UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919 about John Jarvis Name: John Jarvis Birth Place: Nottingham Death Date: 13 Nov 1915 Death Location: Gallipoli Enlistment Location: Nottingham Rank: Private Regiment: Sherwood Foresters (Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire Regiment) Battalion: 9th Battalion Number: 22968 Type of Casualty: Killed in action Theatre of War: Balkan Theatre Source Information: Military-Genealogy.com, comp. UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2008. Original data: British and Irish Military Databases. The Naval and Military Press Ltd. If anyone wants a copy of the photo just ask -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

From the newspapers Nottingham Evening Post July 05, 1944 The other day in a reference to the "Wipers Times" it was stated that for part of the time the paper was printed on a press captured from the Germans. Now here is the front page of a concert programme printed on the same machine by "Sherwood, Forester and Co Ltd" The programme was contributed by Sgt GOODING, Sgt DALEY, Sgt RICE, Cpl BODDICE, Cpl AUSTIN, Lce Cpl TENNANT, Pte DAVEMPORT, Pte OXLEY, Pte EDSON, Pte ABELL, Pte CONNAUGHTON, Pte DUNSTAN and the band Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

From the newspapers Nottingham Evening Post March 22, 1916 Sherwood Foresters Turn Out A Newspaper The War has been responsible for the appearance of many amateur newspapers at the front, which will undoubtedly have a more than sentimental value in future years. The 12th Sherwood Foresters (Pioneers) by, shall we say a fortunate accident are now finding relaxation from more strenuous duties in producing a little journal which is gaining a rapidly increasing circle of readers. In a letter to his parents at West Bridgford, Q.M.S. Leslie W.L. TYLER relates how he became a publisher. "The other week" he says, "we found in a knocked down shop a printing machine, also some printers ink, paper, type, &c. Then we started to clean the half bricks and mortar out of it and get it into ship-shape order. This we did and started to publish a paper periodically when time and Huns permitted, which we called the Wipers Times, and Salient News. One or two of the officers joined us in the undertaking - the captain being editor, another officer being sub-editor, and your humble was made publisher. Well we got going, and turned out the first issue of 100 copies. We all had one each and sent one to the colonel, second in command, adjutant and all the officers. Two days after the first issue was published, the general commanding our division sent for one or two. He went to G.H.Q. and now we have to send one to G.H.Q. every publication, one each for the Staff, one for divisional Staff, and several others, and we have to strike off about 250 copies each issue... I am sending a copy to you under another cover. No doubt it will be of some value in time to come, so hang onto it like grim death." Q.M.S. TYLER, an old High School boy, who enlisted in the City Battalion at the outbreak of the war, says, "I wish they would make all the 'slackers' join up and so help to relieve some of the boys in the trenches and give them a longer rest when they come out from the 'doings'... Where will they be and what will they answer to the boys when they come home? I wouldn't like to be one of them. for the feeling is rather warm against them out here." Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

My other half and I watched it too. It was superb. If you have not seen it, watch out for any repeat! I would like to know how much original footage was slipped in. As always, with something like this, I learned new details. We will still be able to see the Who Do You Think You Are? repeat on Monday night. (Can't get iplayer here in France!) Jean Wood > Message du 12/09/13 08:56 > De : "Brian Binns" > A : NOTTSGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Copie à : > Objet : [NTT] The Wipers Times > > In the end I managed to watch "The Wipers Times" last night rather than > later on I-player and will not reveal any of the detail for the sake of > those yet to watch it. > > However just to say it was absolutely brilliant. > > Best piece of drama on the TV this year. > > A must watch for everyone, and as David Wilson pointed out yesterday, it > involved The Sherwood Foresters. > > > > Brian Binns > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I watched the latest WDYTYA on i-player last night. The current series seems to be concentrating on just a couple of the subjects' ancestors, rather than a detailed larger tree, and this was so for Sarah Millican. Don't worry, I won't spoil it for anyone who's not seen it yet, however one part of it had me raging at the TV. She was presented with her family tree and decided (well maybe the producers decided for her) to check out one of her ancestors who had worked abroad. Through an accident he was close to death. He was at a place where events had been recorded in a daily journal and his progress, or lack of it, was being detailed in chronological order to Sarah by the researcher. Sarah was getting more and more worried that he wouldn't make it through and the tension was being built up. Meanwhile, I was screaming at the TV, "Of course he'll pull through. He'll return to the UK and have children. He's one of your ancestors for goodness sake!" Silly way to present it in my opinion. Brian Binns -----Original Message----- From: Jean WOOD [mailto:jeangrahame@orange.fr] Sent: 13 September 2013 10:04 To: Brian Binns; NOTTSGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: re: [NTT] The Wipers Times My other half and I watched it too. It was superb. If you have not seen it, watch out for any repeat! I would like to know how much original footage was slipped in. As always, with something like this, I learned new details. We will still be able to see the Who Do You Think You Are? repeat on Monday night. (Can't get iplayer here in France!) Jean Wood > Message du 12/09/13 08:56 > De : "Brian Binns" > A : NOTTSGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Copie à : > Objet : [NTT] The Wipers Times > > In the end I managed to watch "The Wipers Times" last night rather > than later on I-player and will not reveal any of the detail for the > sake of those yet to watch it. > > However just to say it was absolutely brilliant. > > Best piece of drama on the TV this year. > > A must watch for everyone, and as David Wilson pointed out yesterday, > it involved The Sherwood Foresters. > > > > Brian Binns > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

"Oh What A Lovely War" was first commissioned & staged by the wonderful Joan Littlewood in 1965. Testament to Youth was dramatised for television in 1979 & I remember it being a first class production. Blackadder Goes Forth could not have had a more brilliant ending brought tears after all the laughs. > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 11:19:11 +0100 (BST) > From: T BURTON <tonyburton462@btinternet.com> > Subject: [NTT] World War One satire > To: "nottsgen@rootsweb.com" <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1378894751.6776.YahooMailNeo@web186101.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > I'm looking forward to viewing Wipers Times as well.? My Mother and Father were both in their teens during this war; my Father being a young Stretcher Bearer in France from 1916 onwards.? Although I also enjoyed the satire of Black Adder (a brilliant ending to the series) I still think the best satire about World War One was Richard Attenborough's film "Oh what a lovely War"?.? More so because much of the script was based on words actually spoken by the main movers. > ? > For anyone interested in this part of our history I would also recommend a brilliantly written book "The Testament of Youth" by Vera Brittain (Mother of the politician, Shirley Williams) aptly described as 'A Haunting elegy for a lost generation'? Vera Brittain makes the point that as well as those killed, the whole generation effectively lost it's youth. > Tony Burton. > End of NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 6, Issue 210 > ****************************************

In the end I managed to watch "The Wipers Times" last night rather than later on I-player and will not reveal any of the detail for the sake of those yet to watch it. However just to say it was absolutely brilliant. Best piece of drama on the TV this year. A must watch for everyone, and as David Wilson pointed out yesterday, it involved The Sherwood Foresters. Brian Binns

Thank you so much everyone who responded to my query with a variety of suggestions. I have indeed found Fulwood, on the outskirts of Sutton. The 'Hellson' link is still puzzling me, so I will carefully search through everyone's suggestions. I have been saying it over and over again in my Nana's accent, but nothing as yet!Rather annoying that Mary didn't give her birthplace in the 1851 census.Mary's maiden name was GEARY - I've searched familysearch.org but haven't yet located any possible birth. . . I really appreciate all your help.Janie > From: bnbinns@gmail.com > To: tony@proctor.net; peter.wright15@ntlworld.com; familytree29@hotmail.com > CC: nottsgen-l@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [NTT] Help with reading a birthplace > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 11:15:35 +0100 > > Yes I noticed that. However one of the children, Eliza aged 13, is recorded > as being born in Mansfield, Notts, whereas all the rest were born in > Blackwell, Derbys. Did Mary go "home" for that birth? > Detailed checking of the enumerators handwriting on the 1861 census shows > Mary's birthplace definitely begins with an "H" and also highlights that he > (presumably, he) dots his "I"s, therefore leading me to believe that the > second letter is indeed an "e". So "Hellson" for Selston? > Who knows? > > Brian > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Proctor [mailto:tony@proctor.net] > Sent: 11 September 2013 10:53 > To: Brian Binns; 'WRIGHT PETER'; 'Mrs Watson' > Cc: 'Notts Gen' > Subject: Re: [NTT] Help with reading a birthplace > > Interestingly, in 1851 (Piece: 2123, Folio: 259, Page: 4) there is no > place-of-birth given for Mary, and the others are down as Blackwell, Derbys. > > Tony Proctor > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Binns" <bnbinns@gmail.com> > To: "'WRIGHT PETER'" <peter.wright15@ntlworld.com>; "'Mrs Watson'" > <familytree29@hotmail.com> > Cc: "'Notts Gen'" <nottsgen-l@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 10:24 AM > Subject: Re: [NTT] Help with reading a birthplace > > > >I too thought of ilson, being the local pronunciation of Ilkeston But the > > enumerator put Notts not Derbys, and the entry could be Hellson, rather > > than > > Hillson. This coupled with the fact that Selston is quite near Fulwood led > > me to that conclusion. The poster needs to find the marriage, then with > > her > > maiden name can hopefully find the Christening place. > > > > Brian > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] > > On Behalf Of WRIGHT PETER > > Sent: 11 September 2013 09:40 > > To: Mrs Watson > > Cc: Notts Gen > > Subject: Re: [NTT] Help with reading a birthplace > > > > Hi, > > > > Fulwood, Notts as been said is a place on the Derbyshire border near > > Sutton-in-Ashfield, Notts. > > > > With regard to Hellson, I would have thought in the local accent as this > > being 'Ilson'. or 'normal' folk know it as Ilkeston, Derbys. > > > > regards > > Pete in Mansfield > > > > > > On 10 September 2013 21:49, Mrs Watson <familytree29@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > >> HelloI am trying to figure out a place of birth according to the 1861 > >> census: > >> Mary BALL born about 1808 in Notts - it looks like Hellson to me but I > >> can't find that on a map. Would someone with a much better knowledge > >> of Notts be able to suggest anything? > >> Source Citation: Class: RG 9; Piece: 2425; Folio: 32; Page: 6; GSU roll: > >> 542969. > >> The 1871 census for Mary gives her place of birth as Fullwood, which I > >> can't seem to find either, although it sounds familiar!ThanksJanie > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Notts Surname List > >> > >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > Notts Surname List > > > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > Notts Surname List > > > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Thank you for this information Mavis,. With your help I have been digging around - and found Fulwood - and now I know why it sounded familiar - it's the industrial estate on the outskirts of Sutton in Ashfield, I must have gone past it many times. . . I still can't find a birth for Mary around 1808 - in the 1851 census her birthplace is left blank, so I will keep searching. Much appreciated Janie > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 11:40:27 +0100 > From: mayjaysomerset@btinternet.com > To: NOTTSGEN@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NTT] Help with reading a birthplace - FULWOOD > > I was recently looking for a GOTHARD (corruption of GODDARD) whom I believe was related to my family, and he said he was born in ILKESTON > > By finding census from 1841 and other entries I find in fact he, and other relatives, said they were from > > 'Newton Moor' > 'Newton in Blackwell', > 'Blackwell by Alfreton' > 'Blackwell, Derbyshire,' > 'S. Normanton' > > and earlier from > > Shirland,, > Clowne > > with some marriages at Sutton in Ashfield > > I was confused and used google to find just where these places were. > > [When in doubt, when using census take a look at the Enumerator's route (page 1) - these small hamlets have names which have been lost to general use.] > > I was born in Nottingham and the area which was then serviced by the "blue buses" was always a mystery to me and when I travelled through the area much later it was a mass of small colliery villages which seemed to merge into one another. I am still confused when looking in the Ilkeston/Heanor/Codnor/Birchwood/Somercotes areas where some of my ancestors lived and worked. > > Finding good maps can help pinpoint the hamlets and villages. > > I eventually found this fuller explanation might help : It shows Mansfield Poor Law Union and the areas covered. (including FULWOOD.) > > BLACKWELL > "Poorhouses, Poor Law, etc. > After the Poor Law Amendment Act reforms of 1834, the Mansfield Poor Law Union was formed on 29 June 1836 to serve 17 local parishes in Nottingham and Derby shires. Since Mansfield, in the north of Nottinghamshire, was near the Derbyshire border, it made sense for it to serve both counties. Over time, new parishes were added to the Union. It also made sense to the government to have the Poor Law Unions function as the administrative centres for Civil Registration and the Census enumeration. > > The Mansfield Poor Law Union was originally divided into five Registration Sub-Districts: > Blackwell, Blidworth, Mansfield, Shirebrook and Warsop. > > > The Blackwell subdistrict included the Derbyshire parishes of: Blackwell, Pinxton, South Normanton and Tibshelf. > > > The Blidworth subdistrict included the Nottinghamshire parishes of: Blidworth, Haywood Oaks and Lindhurst. > > > The Mansfield subdistrict included the Nottinghamshire parish of Mansfield. > > The Shirebrook subdistrict included the Derbyshire parishes of: Ault Hucknall, Glapwell, Pleasley, Scarcliffe, Shirebrook and Upper Langwith. It also included the Nottinghamshire parish of Teversal. > > The Warsop subdistrict included the Nottinghamshire parishes of: Mansfield Woodhouse, Sookholme and Warsop. > > Later additions to the union: Fulwood, Haywood Oaks, Lindhurst. > > In 1837, the new Mansfield Union workhouse was built on the south side of Stockwell Gate on Sutton road in the parish of Mansfield. It was opened for business in November, 1837. > > I have printed this off and put it with my maps so that in future I will find them more easily. > > > Mavis > in Somerset > > >________________________________ > > From: Tony Proctor <tony@proctor.net> > >To: Brian Binns <bnbinns@gmail.com>; 'WRIGHT PETER' <peter.wright15@ntlworld.com>; 'Mrs Watson' <familytree29@hotmail.com> > >Cc: 'Notts Gen' <nottsgen-l@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2013, 10:52 > >Subject: Re: [NTT] Help with reading a birthplace > > > > > >Interestingly, in 1851 (Piece: 2123, Folio: 259, Page: 4) there is no > >place-of-birth given for Mary, and the others are down as Blackwell, Derbys. > > > > Tony Proctor > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Brian Binns" <bnbinns@gmail.com> > >To: "'WRIGHT PETER'" <peter.wright15@ntlworld.com>; "'Mrs Watson'" > ><familytree29@hotmail.com> > >Cc: "'Notts Gen'" <nottsgen-l@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 10:24 AM > >Subject: Re: [NTT] Help with reading a birthplace > > > > > >>I too thought of ilson, being the local pronunciation of Ilkeston But the > >> enumerator put Notts not Derbys, and the entry could be Hellson, rather > >> than > >> Hillson. This coupled with the fact that Selston is quite near Fulwood led > >> me to that conclusion. The poster needs to find the marriage, then with > >> her > >> maiden name can hopefully find the Christening place. > >> > >> Brian > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] > >> On Behalf Of WRIGHT PETER > >> Sent: 11 September 2013 09:40 > >> To: Mrs Watson > >> Cc: Notts Gen > >> Subject: Re: [NTT] Help with reading a birthplace > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> Fulwood, Notts as been said is a place on the Derbyshire border near > >> Sutton-in-Ashfield, Notts. > >> > >> With regard to Hellson, I would have thought in the local accent as this > >> being 'Ilson'. or 'normal' folk know it as Ilkeston, Derbys. > >> > >> regards > >> Pete in Mansfield > >> > >> > >> On 10 September 2013 21:49, Mrs Watson <familytree29@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> HelloI am trying to figure out a place of birth according to the 1861 > >>> census: > >>> Mary BALL born about 1808 in Notts - it looks like Hellson to me but I > >>> can't find that on a map. Would someone with a much better knowledge > >>> of Notts be able to suggest anything? > >>> Source Citation: Class: RG 9; Piece: 2425; Folio: 32; Page: 6; GSU roll: > >>> 542969. > >>> The 1871 census for Mary gives her place of birth as Fullwood, which I > >>> can't seem to find either, although it sounds familiar!ThanksJanie > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Notts Surname List > >>> > >>> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >> > >> > >> Notts Surname List > >> > >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> > >> Notts Surname List > >> > >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > >Notts Surname List > > > >http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message