Don't forget the Central Market stall that sold basins of hot marrowfat peas, dressed with vinegar or mint sauce-and the pork butcher that did a roaring trade in hot meat pies from his shop in Thames Street, Bulwell Ted Stevenson <tedstevenson@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >Not sure if "reminisces" is a word but any way the past weeks offerings have >made me realize some of the little things that we "escapees" miss out on. > >I would like to add one: Black Pudding bought from Central Market. > > > >We do have some very nice pork pies in Perth now. > > > >Ted Stevenson in Perth, Western Australia, still researching my Mum's >HAWKSLEYs > > > >PS: Welcome back to the ashes !!!! > >PPS: A hot merry Christmas to all the kind, helpful people on this list. > > > >Notts Surname List > >http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Not sure if "reminisces" is a word but any way the past weeks offerings have made me realize some of the little things that we "escapees" miss out on. I would like to add one: Black Pudding bought from Central Market. We do have some very nice pork pies in Perth now. Ted Stevenson in Perth, Western Australia, still researching my Mum's HAWKSLEYs PS: Welcome back to the ashes !!!! PPS: A hot merry Christmas to all the kind, helpful people on this list.

On 2013/12/23 10:57, Brian Binns wrote: > Pork Pie and Piccalilli on Boxing Day for me! I've got a _very_ decent recipe for Piccalilli. Bit late to make it for this Xmas. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg

Share for next year? Suella On 24 December 2013 08:00, <nottsgen-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Pork Pies at Christmas (Mike Fry) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 09:44:09 +0200 > From: Mike Fry <fredbonzo@iafrica.com> > Subject: Re: [NTT] Pork Pies at Christmas > To: nottsgen@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <52B93B49.1030403@iafrica.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 2013/12/23 10:57, Brian Binns wrote: > > > Pork Pie and Piccalilli on Boxing Day for me! > > I've got a _very_ decent recipe for Piccalilli. Bit late to make it for > this Xmas. > > -- > Regards, > Mike Fry > Johannesburg > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 6, Issue 286 > **************************************** >

Thank you everyone for your thoughts on pork pies - all very interesting. Happy Christmas everyone. Lin In a message dated 23/12/2013 19:55:04 GMT Standard Time, gillytaylor@worksop1953.freeserve.co.uk writes: Hi All, I haven't been in touch with Notts Gen for a very long time since my Father's (Jack Taylor) death in 2007 but what wonderful reminiscences the Pork Pie discussion brought back to me, although I feel I may have missed part of the thread. Dad always said that Pork Farms pies were as near as you could get to the "best". Sadly, I think he may be disappointed in what seems to be a recipe change in the last year or so when they started looking rather pinkish and less "meaty" with less flavour, although I have found recently that they are now producing a "Melton Mowbray" version much more like their originals. I collected a few recipes from old Butcher trade books but I seem to recall there were once some good online recipes from one of these original books which was owned by Dewhurst's. Different areas of the country had their own herb/spice mixes for flavouring. Jack Taylor's own family had owned Taylor's Butchers in Warsop from circa 1850's (as well as, I think, a location in Cuckney) until all closed after WWI. He knew the Warsop Bowring butcher's family from childhood during 1920's and was eventually apprenticed to them around 1936. After WWII he worked at Metheringham's in Warsop (which was eventually owned by the Davies family) until around late 1950's/early 1960's and used to deliver around the area in a van or even on his army skis when the weather was bad! He used to deliver to Welbeck Estate and remembers the old Duchess often asleep in "the parlour" on his visits. The Duke of Portland once asked to see exactly what a wartime/post-war "ration" involved and that he was quite shocked at the limited amounts - Welbeck obviously had its own resources! Dad had a Killing Licence and, as his own Father before him, was often called upon by members of the community, especially at Christmas and during wartime and post-war rationing (when people kept their own pigs), to kill and treat meat to prepare ham and bacon ... some of which I remember him still doing during 1960's. He learned his trade both from his own Father Joe Taylor and most certainly from the Bowrings (was it Cal and his wife Pol originally who lived in a caravan around Warsop Windmill area? ... sorry I haven't had a chance to check all my notes but he told some rare tales about the personalities and experiences!). Joe Taylor, in particular, was often called upon at Christmas to kill geese and his wife was able to keep some of the fat to make into goose-grease for winter chest infections - I think it was to rub on the chest and wrap in flannel as well as to swallow a spoonful! Dad knew the Pork Butcher trade from start to finish ... I recall visiting Metheringham's back yard pigs to feed them at weekends and holidays which must have been mid 1950's. He always said that those who did the rebuild on the site must have wondered where all the old bones came from ... in the days when butchers recognised any animal condition that made meat unsafe and therefore killed and buried them on site! The old saying is that you can used every part of a pig ... except the squeak!!! Dad certainlly knew all having been brought up in the trade where they bought in the animals and all that was sold was made from it and/or used to make other items to sell. His knowledge was well-used in WWII in Italy when his group were hungry and he borrowed his captain's gun to kill a pig they "acquired" and then burn off the hairs by setting it alight with a cover of hay as used on the continent ... the traditional method "at home" was to pour boiling water over the dead animal and then scrape off the hairs with a special tool known as a Pig Scraper, often with a hook at the back to pull out toe-nails. Dad even buit an oven out of oil drums to cook the main carcass and sorted some kind of smoking system using a stove-burner so they managed to eat well for a short while! My Aunt also worked for Metheringhams and I still have a lovely collection of Pork Pie Moulds in different sizes - some she gave me and another I had made especially for my Father who continued to make Pork Pies in his last years. Something I know I mentioned some years ago was the annual Gooseberry Pork Pie Fair at Mansfield. One of the stalls used to make raised hot-crust pies full of fruit, hence the name! Thank you for some wonderful memories!!!! All Kind Thoughts and a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you all!! Gilly Taylor ======================================== Message Received: Dec 23 2013, 09:07 AM From: "Brian Binns" To: nottsgen@rootsweb.com, leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: [NTT] Pork Pies at Christmas My recent posting on Christmas recipes has been expanded on the Leicestershire forum to a discussion on Pork Pies, and as the history of local producers concerns both Notts and Leics, I am posting this summary to both. In the early 1940s, Ken Parr, a recently qualified baker, took out a loan to set up his own pie shop in Nottingham. He developed a reputation founded on good baking, and developed the first "original" pork pie based on an old recipe, with signature dark and crispy pastry. He then bought another local pie shop, founded in 1931 which traded under the name Pork Farms, which he adopted for all shops after that. In the mid-1960s, Parr's business was bought by food tycoon W. Garfield Weston who made Parr Chairman. In 1969, rival Nottingham pie company TN Parr, formerly owned by Parr’s uncle, but then by Samworth Brothers, bought out Pork Farms, again bringing together the two companies together under the Pork Farms brand. In 1971, the group was floated on the London Stock Exchange as Pork Farms Ltd. In 1978 the Samworth family sold Pork Farms to Northern Foods, later merged by Northern with both Palethorpes of Market Drayton and Bowyers of Trowbridge, Wiltshire to form Pork Farms Bowyers. Later the company sold the Bowyers and Palethorpes pork sausage business and brands to concentrate on baked meat products. Northern Foods transferred the production of Pork Pies from Nottingham, which they later came to regret. In 2007, the name of Melton Mowbray Pork Pies became protected and they had to be made within a defined distance of Melton Mowbray to qualify. The company then chose to close the Trowbridge plant and invest £12million into the Nottingham plant to bring back and increase Melton Mowbray Pork Pie production. In the meantime, the Samworth Family had started building another food “empire” starting with Ginsters Pasties in Cornwall and then expanding back into the East Midlands. They now own Dickinson and Morris, probably the iconic Melton Mowbray Pork Pie makers, and Henry Walker of Leicester, as well as producing Melton Mowbray Pork Pies for most of the major supermarkets in the UK. Henry Walker is an interesting company. Walker & Son was founded in Leicester 1824 by Mark Walker, who with his son opened a butchers shop on Leicester High Street, in the early days their sausages were a hit! But then they built a bakery and the famous Walkers pork pie was born! Leicester loved our pies so much that thousands of families would buy them every week, on Christmas Eve people would queue around the block just to purchase their Walkers pork pie, your Christmas dinner table was not complete without one and isn't to this day! During the meat rationing of World War II, Walker & Son, diversified the business and using the surplus fat of meat products and locally grown potato's they began producing potato crisps, they were the original creators of the famous snack brand. This side of the business then grew into Walker’s Crisps, once just a local Leicester company, but since being bought by American giant PepsiCo has expanded into the biggest UK crisp and snack manufacturer, and has expanded into Europe with the “Lay’s” brand. Although brought up in Nottingham on Pork Farms Pies, I have to declare that I actually prefer Walker’s Pies, though their retail shops closed years ago, and I haven’t bought one for years. Pork Farms shops also closed years ago, so this Christmas we have bought a Melton Mowbray Pork Pie from Sainsbury’s, which I believe will have been made by Walkers, as they are the biggest (only) supplier of own label Melton Pies. Pork Pie and Piccalilli on Boxing Day for me! With best wishes to all I have had the pleasure to correspond with on these forums over the past year. Brian Binns http://www.samworthbrothers.co.uk/ourbusiness.asp http://www.walkerspies.co.uk/ Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All, I haven't been in touch with Notts Gen for a very long time since my Father's (Jack Taylor) death in 2007 but what wonderful reminiscences the Pork Pie discussion brought back to me, although I feel I may have missed part of the thread. Dad always said that Pork Farms pies were as near as you could get to the "best".  Sadly, I think he may be disappointed in what seems to be a recipe change in the last year or so when they started looking rather pinkish and less "meaty" with less flavour, although I have found recently that they are now producing a "Melton Mowbray" version much more like their originals. I collected a few recipes from old Butcher trade books but I seem to recall there were once some good online recipes from one of these original books which was owned by Dewhurst's.  Different areas of the country had their own herb/spice mixes for flavouring. Jack Taylor's own family had owned Taylor's Butchers in Warsop from circa 1850's (as well as, I think, a location in Cuckney) until all closed after WWI.  He knew the Warsop Bowring butcher's family from childhood during 1920's and was eventually apprenticed to them around 1936. After WWII he worked at Metheringham's in Warsop (which was eventually owned by the Davies family) until around late 1950's/early 1960's and used to deliver around the area in a van or even on his army skis when the weather was bad!  He used to deliver to Welbeck Estate and remembers the old Duchess often asleep in "the parlour" on his visits.  The Duke of Portland once asked to see exactly what a wartime/post-war "ration" involved and that he was quite shocked at the limited amounts -  Welbeck obviously had its own resources! Dad had a Killing Licence and, as his own Father before him, was often called upon by members of the community, especially at Christmas and during wartime and post-war rationing (when people kept their own pigs), to kill and treat meat to prepare ham and bacon ... some of which I remember him still doing during 1960's. He learned his trade both from his own Father Joe Taylor and most certainly from the Bowrings (was it Cal and his wife Pol originally who lived in a caravan around Warsop Windmill area? ... sorry I haven't had a chance to check all my notes but he told some rare tales about the personalities and experiences!). Joe Taylor, in particular, was often called upon at Christmas to kill geese and his wife was able to keep some of the fat to make into goose-grease for winter chest infections - I think it was to rub on the chest and wrap in flannel as well as to swallow a spoonful! Dad knew the Pork Butcher trade from start to finish ... I recall visiting Metheringham's back yard pigs to feed them at weekends and holidays which must have been mid 1950's.  He always said that those who did the rebuild on the site must have wondered where all the old bones came from ... in the days when butchers recognised any animal condition that made meat unsafe and therefore killed and buried them on site! The old saying is that you can used every part of a pig ... except the squeak!!!  Dad certainlly knew all having been brought up in the trade where they bought in the animals and all that was sold was made from it and/or used to make other items to sell. His knowledge was well-used in WWII in Italy when his group were hungry and he borrowed his captain's gun to kill a pig they "acquired" and then burn off the hairs by setting it alight with a cover of hay as used on the continent  ... the traditional method "at home" was to pour boiling water over the dead animal and then scrape off the hairs with a special tool known as a Pig Scraper, often with a hook at the back to pull out toe-nails.  Dad even buit an oven out of oil drums to cook the main carcass and sorted some kind of smoking system using a stove-burner so they managed to eat well for a short while! My Aunt also worked for Metheringhams and I still have a lovely collection of Pork Pie Moulds in different sizes - some she gave me and another I had made especially for my Father who continued to make Pork Pies in his last years. Something I know I mentioned some years ago was the annual Gooseberry Pork Pie Fair at Mansfield.  One of the stalls used to make raised hot-crust pies full of fruit, hence the name! Thank you for some wonderful memories!!!! All Kind Thoughts and a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you all!! Gilly Taylor ======================================== Message Received: Dec 23 2013, 09:07 AM From: "Brian Binns" To: nottsgen@rootsweb.com, leicestershire-plus@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: [NTT] Pork Pies at Christmas My recent posting on Christmas recipes has been expanded on the Leicestershire forum to a discussion on Pork Pies, and as the history of local producers concerns both Notts and Leics, I am posting this summary to both. In the early 1940s, Ken Parr, a recently qualified baker, took out a loan to set up his own pie shop in Nottingham. He developed a reputation founded on good baking, and developed the first "original" pork pie based on an old recipe, with signature dark and crispy pastry. He then bought another local pie shop, founded in 1931 which traded under the name Pork Farms, which he adopted for all shops after that. In the mid-1960s, Parr's business was bought by food tycoon W. Garfield Weston who made Parr Chairman. In 1969, rival Nottingham pie company TN Parr, formerly owned by Parr’s uncle, but then by Samworth Brothers, bought out Pork Farms, again bringing together the two companies together under the Pork Farms brand. In 1971, the group was floated on the London Stock Exchange as Pork Farms Ltd. In 1978 the Samworth family sold Pork Farms to Northern Foods, later merged by Northern with both Palethorpes of Market Drayton and Bowyers of Trowbridge, Wiltshire to form Pork Farms Bowyers. Later the company sold the Bowyers and Palethorpes pork sausage business and brands to concentrate on baked meat products. Northern Foods transferred the production of Pork Pies from Nottingham, which they later came to regret. In 2007, the name of Melton Mowbray Pork Pies became protected and they had to be made within a defined distance of Melton Mowbray to qualify. The company then chose to close the Trowbridge plant and invest £12million into the Nottingham plant to bring back and increase Melton Mowbray Pork Pie production. In the meantime, the Samworth Family had started building another food “empire” starting with Ginsters Pasties in Cornwall and then expanding back into the East Midlands. They now own Dickinson and Morris, probably the iconic Melton Mowbray Pork Pie makers, and Henry Walker of Leicester, as well as producing Melton Mowbray Pork Pies for most of the major supermarkets in the UK. Henry Walker is an interesting company. Walker & Son was founded in Leicester 1824 by Mark Walker, who with his son opened a butchers shop on Leicester High Street, in the early days their sausages were a hit! But then they built a bakery and the famous Walkers pork pie was born! Leicester loved our pies so much that thousands of families would buy them every week, on Christmas Eve people would queue around the block just to purchase their Walkers pork pie, your Christmas dinner table was not complete without one and isn't to this day! During the meat rationing of World War II, Walker & Son, diversified the business and using the surplus fat of meat products and locally grown potato's they began producing potato crisps, they were the original creators of the famous snack brand. This side of the business then grew into Walker’s Crisps, once just a local Leicester company, but since being bought by American giant PepsiCo has expanded into the biggest UK crisp and snack manufacturer, and has expanded into Europe with the “Lay’s” brand. Although brought up in Nottingham on Pork Farms Pies, I have to declare that I actually prefer Walker’s Pies, though their retail shops closed years ago, and I haven’t bought one for years. Pork Farms shops also closed years ago, so this Christmas we have bought a Melton Mowbray Pork Pie from Sainsbury’s, which I believe will have been made by Walkers, as they are the biggest (only) supplier of own label Melton Pies. Pork Pie and Piccalilli on Boxing Day for me! With best wishes to all I have had the pleasure to correspond with on these forums over the past year. Brian Binns http://www.samworthbrothers.co.uk/ourbusiness.asp http://www.walkerspies.co.uk/ Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Brian, Very interesting but I have some good news for you!! You can get your Walkers Pie again!! The shop has been reopened http://www.walkerspies.co.uk/index.php/news You also buy from some supermarkets..info on their site BTW I do not work for any Pork pie company Happy Christmas Regards Paul Taylor On 23/12/2013 8:57 AM, Brian Binns wrote: My recent posting on Christmas recipes has been expanded on the Leicestershire forum to a discussion on Pork Pies, and as the history of local producers concerns both Notts and Leics, I am posting this summary to both. In the early 1940s, Ken Parr, a recently qualified baker, took out a loan to set up his own pie shop in Nottingham. He developed a reputation founded on good baking, and developed the first "original" pork pie based on an old recipe, with signature dark and crispy pastry. He then bought another local pie shop, founded in 1931 which traded under the name Pork Farms, which he adopted for all shops after that. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pork_Farms#cite_note-1> In the mid-1960s, Parr's business was bought by food tycoon W. Garfield Weston who made Parr Chairman. In 1969, rival Nottingham pie company TN Parr, formerly owned by Parr’s uncle, but then by Samworth Brothers, bought out Pork Farms, again bringing together the two companies together under the Pork Farms brand. In 1971, the group was floated on the London Stock Exchange as Pork Farms Ltd. In 1978 the Samworth family sold Pork Farms to Northern Foods, later merged by Northern with both Palethorpes of Market Drayton and Bowyers of Trowbridge, Wiltshire to form Pork Farms Bowyers. Later the company sold the Bowyers and Palethorpes pork sausage business and brands to concentrate on baked meat products. Northern Foods transferred the production of Pork Pies from Nottingham, which they later came to regret. In 2007, the name of Melton Mowbray Pork Pies became protected and they had to be made within a defined distance of Melton Mowbray to qualify. The company then chose to close the Trowbridge plant and invest £12million into the Nottingham plant to bring back and increase Melton Mowbray Pork Pie production. In the meantime, the Samworth Family had started building another food “empire” starting with Ginsters Pasties in Cornwall and then expanding back into the East Midlands. They now own Dickinson and Morris, probably the iconic Melton Mowbray Pork Pie makers, and Henry Walker of Leicester, as well as producing Melton Mowbray Pork Pies for most of the major supermarkets in the UK. Henry Walker is an interesting company. Walker & Son was founded in Leicester 1824 by Mark Walker, who with his son opened a butchers shop on Leicester High Street, in the early days their sausages were a hit! But then they built a bakery and the famous Walkers pork pie was born! Leicester loved our pies so much that thousands of families would buy them every week, on Christmas Eve people would queue around the block just to purchase their Walkers pork pie, your Christmas dinner table was not complete without one and isn't to this day! During the meat rationing of World War II, Walker & Son, diversified the business and using the surplus fat of meat products and locally grown potato's they began producing potato crisps, they were the original creators of the famous snack brand. This side of the business then grew into Walker’s Crisps, once just a local Leicester company, but since being bought by American giant PepsiCo has expanded into the biggest UK crisp and snack manufacturer, and has expanded into Europe with the “Lay’s” brand. Although brought up in Nottingham on Pork Farms Pies, I have to declare that I actually prefer Walker’s Pies, though their retail shops closed years ago, and I haven’t bought one for years. Pork Farms shops also closed years ago, so this Christmas we have bought a Melton Mowbray Pork Pie from Sainsbury’s, which I believe will have been made by Walkers, as they are the biggest (only) supplier of own label Melton Pies. Pork Pie and Piccalilli on Boxing Day for me! With best wishes to all I have had the pleasure to correspond with on these forums over the past year. Brian Binns

My recent posting on Christmas recipes has been expanded on the Leicestershire forum to a discussion on Pork Pies, and as the history of local producers concerns both Notts and Leics, I am posting this summary to both. In the early 1940s, Ken Parr, a recently qualified baker, took out a loan to set up his own pie shop in Nottingham. He developed a reputation founded on good baking, and developed the first "original" pork pie based on an old recipe, with signature dark and crispy pastry. He then bought another local pie shop, founded in 1931 which traded under the name Pork Farms, which he adopted for all shops after that. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pork_Farms#cite_note-1> In the mid-1960s, Parr's business was bought by food tycoon W. Garfield Weston who made Parr Chairman. In 1969, rival Nottingham pie company TN Parr, formerly owned by Parr’s uncle, but then by Samworth Brothers, bought out Pork Farms, again bringing together the two companies together under the Pork Farms brand. In 1971, the group was floated on the London Stock Exchange as Pork Farms Ltd. In 1978 the Samworth family sold Pork Farms to Northern Foods, later merged by Northern with both Palethorpes of Market Drayton and Bowyers of Trowbridge, Wiltshire to form Pork Farms Bowyers. Later the company sold the Bowyers and Palethorpes pork sausage business and brands to concentrate on baked meat products. Northern Foods transferred the production of Pork Pies from Nottingham, which they later came to regret. In 2007, the name of Melton Mowbray Pork Pies became protected and they had to be made within a defined distance of Melton Mowbray to qualify. The company then chose to close the Trowbridge plant and invest £12million into the Nottingham plant to bring back and increase Melton Mowbray Pork Pie production. In the meantime, the Samworth Family had started building another food “empire” starting with Ginsters Pasties in Cornwall and then expanding back into the East Midlands. They now own Dickinson and Morris, probably the iconic Melton Mowbray Pork Pie makers, and Henry Walker of Leicester, as well as producing Melton Mowbray Pork Pies for most of the major supermarkets in the UK. Henry Walker is an interesting company. Walker & Son was founded in Leicester 1824 by Mark Walker, who with his son opened a butchers shop on Leicester High Street, in the early days their sausages were a hit! But then they built a bakery and the famous Walkers pork pie was born! Leicester loved our pies so much that thousands of families would buy them every week, on Christmas Eve people would queue around the block just to purchase their Walkers pork pie, your Christmas dinner table was not complete without one and isn't to this day! During the meat rationing of World War II, Walker & Son, diversified the business and using the surplus fat of meat products and locally grown potato's they began producing potato crisps, they were the original creators of the famous snack brand. This side of the business then grew into Walker’s Crisps, once just a local Leicester company, but since being bought by American giant PepsiCo has expanded into the biggest UK crisp and snack manufacturer, and has expanded into Europe with the “Lay’s” brand. Although brought up in Nottingham on Pork Farms Pies, I have to declare that I actually prefer Walker’s Pies, though their retail shops closed years ago, and I haven’t bought one for years. Pork Farms shops also closed years ago, so this Christmas we have bought a Melton Mowbray Pork Pie from Sainsbury’s, which I believe will have been made by Walkers, as they are the biggest (only) supplier of own label Melton Pies. Pork Pie and Piccalilli on Boxing Day for me! With best wishes to all I have had the pleasure to correspond with on these forums over the past year. Brian Binns http://www.samworthbrothers.co.uk/ourbusiness.asp http://www.walkerspies.co.uk/

A couple of recipes from the "Magazine of Domestic Economy" which I have I in two rather dilapidated hard back compilations. Copied as written. >From November 1836. Minced Meat. - A pound and a half boiled tongue; two pounds of beef suet; two pounds cleaned currants; one pound cleaned and stewed raisins, chopped fine; three quarters of a pound fine moist sugar; the peel of two large lemons chopped fine; half an ounce cloves and mace; one ounce nutmeg; the juice of one lemon; half-pint brandy; half-pint of port wine; candied peel according to taste. The mixture improves by standing a few weeks, and adding a little brandy from time to time. To be kept in a cool dry place. December 1836. Christmas Pudding.- One pound of bread crumbs, rubbed through the cullender; half-pound flour; one pound and quarter suet, very finely chopped; quarter pound sugar; one pound currants; half-pound raisins, stoned and chopped. Mix well together, and then add - two ounces candied citron; one ounce ditto orange-peel; one ditto lemon-peel; one nutmeg, grated; a little mace; cinnamon and three cloves pounded; quarter of a tea-spoonful of powdered ginger; the peel of one lemon finely-chopped. Mix well again, and then add - one wine-glassful of brandy; one ditto white wine; the juice of one lemon. Mix well together, then stir in gradually six well-beaten eggs. Boil five hours and sift sugar over the top when served. It is exceedingly convenient when making Christmas pudding, to boil several at once in various sized moulds or basins, as they will keep well for a month or six weeks, and can be served on an emergency by merely re-boiling them - say one hour for a pint basin. After the first boiling remove the cloth, and when the pudding is cold cover it with a dry clean cloth. Probably too late for this Christmas, but makes interesting reading - though I wouldn't fancy the literal and original style of mincemeat! Note that this magazine was aimed at upper class ladies, so I can't see any of my ancestors ever reading it. Brian Binns Loughborough, but born in Nottingham.

In today's Daily Telegraph there is an obituary of a Nottingham man, Jimmy Flint, who has died aged 100. He was a bomber pilot in the Second World War and his story is a reminder of the debt we owe to such brave men. There may be a connection with a reader of this forum so I am posting the link to the obituary. Even if there isn't, it is a remarkable life story. Brian Binns http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/military-obituaries/air-force-obi tuaries/10528925/Wing-Commander-Jimmy-Flint-obituary.html

-----Original Message----- From: JOHN MELLORS Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 2:00 PM To: nottsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [NTT] Gonalston Parish Registers MAYFELD Entry in the parish register 3 Feb 1698/99 William MAYFELD and Hannah his wife were by an order of sessions held at Newark on Friday 3 Feb 1698/99 settled in habitants of Thurgarton upon an appeal made by the inhabitants of this parrish Hope this is of interest to someone John Mellors Thank you John, yes this does interest us because this looks like my wife's 7 x Gt Grandparents. William Mayfield (b.1675 Caythorpe d. 1723 Thurgarton)& Hannah Clarke ( b.1674 Skegby d.1749 Thurgarton) married 27 Nov 1698 at Bleasby, Nottinghamshire. I will pass on your info' to my wife's sister who has done a great deal of research into their family. Bruce Wright

Entry in the parish register 3 Feb 1698/99 William MAYFELD and Hannah his wife were by an order of sessions held at Newark on Friday 3 Feb 1698/99 settled in habitants of Thurgarton upon an appeal made by the inhabitants of this parrish Hope this is of interest to someone John Mellors

Probably a different Peregrine Lightfoot but there are a number of stories in the Pall Mall Gazette of 1875 in the newspaper archives about an army deserter with that name . The stories don't seem to give much detail and feature more about those soldiers that desert and re-enlist under other names and how to stop this happening . Apparently this Peregrine Lightfoot had re-enlisted more than once and had used the alternate name of John Bunce .Bunce is a Cornish name. It also mentions him going to a barracks at Sheerness . ------------------------------ On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 20:13 GMT April wrote: >Although I have already posted this request recently, I wonder if I can >get any help for finding a possible school where Peregine N Lightfoot >taught as a teacher. > >In 1891 Peregrine was lodging with Thomas Edwin Burnett 37 who was a >Plumbers Merchant, also Charlotte, wife aged 36, with daughter Dorothy >Blanche. Peregrine was quite a way from home as he lived in Wootton, >Milton, Hampshire and it appears he travelled from Cornwall ( where he >taught) to go to Nottingham. Hr was unmarried all his life so was free >to travel. > >Maybe someone has Thomas E Burnett in their family line and so may have >info for about that time. Meanwhile, I am contacting the Nottingham >Archives. > >Kind regards. > >April. Hampshire > > >Notts Surname List > >http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Although I have already posted this request recently, I wonder if I can get any help for finding a possible school where Peregine N Lightfoot taught as a teacher. In 1891 Peregrine was lodging with Thomas Edwin Burnett 37 who was a Plumbers Merchant, also Charlotte, wife aged 36, with daughter Dorothy Blanche. Peregrine was quite a way from home as he lived in Wootton, Milton, Hampshire and it appears he travelled from Cornwall ( where he taught) to go to Nottingham. Hr was unmarried all his life so was free to travel. Maybe someone has Thomas E Burnett in their family line and so may have info for about that time. Meanwhile, I am contacting the Nottingham Archives. Kind regards. April. Hampshire

Hi could some kind sole please tell me who Robert Turton Binch's parents are. He was registered dec quarter 1910 in Basford. Thanks John B --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

John, Looks like he was born in Dec 1910 but not registered until Mar 1911 at Basford. Unfortunately that's bad and good news. The bad news is the registration doesn't include mother's maiden name, which wasn't recorded until 2nd half of 1911. The good news is, he was born before 1911 census. So you should be able to find him there and work backwards. 1911 will also tell you how long married and other siblings living and deceased. Find My Past will allow you to do a basic search. You could then look for Binch families with a Robert in the family. Alternatively, if you know any younger siblings born after 1911, finding a maiden name of mother on FreeBMD will enable you to find the marriage. Peter

Hi John From Ancestry Birth reg England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Robert T Binch Name: Robert T Binch Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1911 Registration District: Basford Inferred County: Nottinghamshire Volume: 7b Page: 229 Death reg giving birth date (subject to informants knowledge) England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about Robert Turton Binch Name: Robert Turton Binch Birth Date: 2 Dec 1910 Date of Registration: Sep 2004 Age at Death: 93 Registration District: Amber Valley Inferred County: Derbyshire Register Number: B13C District and Subdistrict: 392/1B Entry number: 165 The 1911 shows George BINCH head 49 marr 14 years frame work knitter hosiery manufacturer on own account Calverton Notts May BINCH wife 49 marr 14 years no children to the marriage Langley Derby Letty BINCH daught of father 21 single Hose worker seaming worker Langley Derby Wilfred BINCH son of father 16 single collier (clipper? or Bonfiler? ore)(underground) worker Langley Derby James SHARP son of mother 20 single collier general Lab mull? (surface) worker Heanor Derby Robert Turton BINCH son of daughter 4 months Langley Derby signed by George BINCH 11 Hands Rd, Langley, Heanor, Derby 5 rooms reg dist 429 sub dist 2 Ilkeston en dist 6 sched 7 rg14 piece 20397 (this implies but does not prove that Letty is the mother of Robert Turton BINCH, perhaps with assistance of a Mr TURTON?) Possible marriage from freebmd for Lettys father Marriages Sep 1898 Binch George Basford 7b 356 Derbyshire Joseph Basford 7b 356 Seagrave Harriett Ann Basford 7b 356 SHARP Mary Basford 7b 356 Possible birth for Letty Births Jun 1890 Binch Letty Basford 7b 143 Possible marriage Marriages Sep 1913 Binch Letty Clarke Basford 7b 386 Clarke Arthur Binch Basford 7b 386 The birth cert would be the way to prove the mother was Letty , it may or may not mention the father, but is unlikely to) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 09/12/2013 02:32, John B B wrote: > Hi could some kind sole please tell me who Robert Turton Binch's parents > are. > He was registered dec quarter 1910 in Basford. > Thanks > John B

I had a look at this because Turton is a surname appearing in my own family, and it was used more than once as a middle name in later generations. In the 1911 census, they family can be found easily at Piece: 20397 Reference: RG14PN20397 RG78PN1222 RD429 SD2 ED6 SN7. This shows the grandparents, George & Mary BINCH, and children of them both separately. This will be interesting because it suggests they both may have been married previously. James SHARPE is recorded as "son of mother" which means Mary was Mary SHARPE before this marriage in c1897 - that may or may not be her maiden name, though, depending on whether there was a previous marriage.I'd recommend getting the birth cert for him to determine that. Findmypast transcribed Robert's name incorrectly as Gaston (which I've submitted a correction for) but he's listed simply as "son of daughter" so it needs a birth cert to identify his mother. I'd be interested to know where the Turton name comes from in this family if you ever find out John. Tony Proctor ----- Original Message ----- From: "John B B" <johnbb@clear.net.nz> To: <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 2:32 AM Subject: [NTT] BINCH Robert Turton > Hi could some kind sole please tell me who Robert Turton Binch's parents > are. > He was registered dec quarter 1910 in Basford. > Thanks > John B > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

From: John B B <johnbb@clear.net.nz> > Hi could some kind sole please tell me who Robert Turton Binch's parents > are. > He was registered dec quarter 1910 in Basford. > Thanks > John B> Are you by any chance a beginner and don't understand the system? I don't know what you expect people to look in but the indexes are not going to tell you who someone's parents were because they don't give the mother's maiden name before the third quarter of 1911 and partners to marriages are not linked until the first quarter of 1912. There is only one certain way to discover who the parents were which is to purchase the birth certificate which you can do from the GRO online. This will cost you £9.25 in pounds sterling and you can have it sent to you in NZ. The GRO's address is: http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp The first time you go on to it you have to register and then fill in the form to order the certificate. However, it is quite straight-forward. But as another lister has told you, you should be able to discover who the parents were by finding the family in the 1911 census. Robert has been indexed at Findmypast as Robert GASTON Binch but I'm sure it's him because the age is spot on and I looked at the image and it reads Turton, so is a simple mistrancription. The reference is: RG14PN20397 RG78PN1222 RD429 SD2 ED6 SN7 I will have to leave it to somebody else if they choose to give you further details because, as one who has a connection with FMP in that I do a blog for them, I am afraid I'm not prepared to break the licence by passing on an image or detailed transcription to a third party. However, if you have a subscription to FMP, Ancestry or any of the other websites that have the 1911 census you should be able to find it for yourself. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Claypole Parish Register March 25th 1796 – Baptism “Maria MASON from Church Warsop near Ollerton in Nottinghamshire”