Hi Lin, If you go to http://www.old-maps.co.uk/ and enter coordinates of 455144 358693, then select the 1900 map, Berry Hill Farm is shown to the Noth of Berry Hill Lane, and North East of Berryhill Hall. Dai On 7/01/2014 9:11 a.m., Lcsearch3528@aol.com wrote: >> Hello, >> >> On the 1911 Census my Gr Grandfather Robert Randall & his wife Harriett >> (nee Linney) were living at Sandhole Farm, Mansfield and despite doing a >> 'Google Search' I can find no mention of this farm. I wonder if anyone knows >> where it was, whether it is still there (unlikely) or maybe its under a >> housing estate now, but it would be interesting to have a bit of information >> about. >> >> The census also shows that they had 11 children, 4 of whom died and 7 were >> alive at the time of the census. >> >> If anyone knows even a little bit of information that would be lovely. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Lin >> >> >> Notts Surname List >> >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hello Doreen, The 1881 census clearly describes Henry Broomhead, 45, Lacemaker. born Chesterfield, as the father of the head of household - 33 year old Harriet Ball. This clearly seem most unlikely, but is why someone has written 'Broomhead' as an alternative name. In 1871 36 year ld Henry Broomhead is in Bunker's Hill, Macclesfield Cheshire with an 18 year old wife, Ann. I would suggest that you are quite right in thinking this is your Harriet in 1881, and that the enumeratior has the wrong relationship for Henry Broomhead. Dai On 09/01/2014 07:16, Doreen wrote: Happy New Year to All I am in a bit muddle about an entry on Ancestry. To make it clear, I have included the Census' 1851, 1861, 1871 and the marriage entry of Harriet SAXTON to whom I am referring too. I was just checking the 1881 on Ancestry before I got any certificates and someone has put a correction in (well I think it is a correction?) There is no other marriages or deaths for my Harriet SAXTON between 1861 and 1881.

Hi Carolyn As you say, St Wilfrid's churchyard was closed for burials in 1883. The local council now maintain it, although I suspect that the Church of England still theoretically have 'jurisdiction'. See http://southwellchurches.history.nottingham.ac.uk/kirkby-st-wilfrid/hchyard.php. The parish records have been deposited at Nottingham Archives. It seems very likely that Eliza was indeed buried at St Wilfrid, all the other churches, St Thomas, St Andrew and St John, having been built in the 20th century and the local cemeteries all postdate Eliza's death. Regards Lesley Aveyron, France ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- At present, the NBI seems to indicate that Eliza Tindall, who was born 24 Feb 1840 and died 11 Mar 1840, was buried 13 Mar 1840 in Kirkby in Ashfield in a cemetery dedicated to St. Thomas. The denomination of St. Thomas is Anglican. The coverage for this NBI entry spans the years 1813 to 1963. Eliza Tindall was christened 01 Mar 1840 in the Parish Church of Kirkby in Ashfield . I have been under the impression from my research that the only Anglican church in that area at the time was St. Wilfrid's, a very ancient church. In 1866, the tower portion of the church was rebuilt due to decay, and in 1907, the church was destroyed by fire except for the rebuilt Tower and a couple of lower walls. Parish records were rescued and survived the fire. The church was rebuilt using many of the original features, and it was ready for worship by November 1908. I understand that St. Wilfrid's remains an active church today according to information on the Internet. However, St. Wilfrid's Churchyard was closed to burials in November 1883. I also understand that due to the expansion of mining in the area, and a large influx of people, another Anglican Parish was established on 23 May 1903. This church was dedicated to St. Thomas. A second source indicated that the church of St. Thomas was built in 1910. Regardless when St. Thomas was built, it seems to me that all of this building, fire, rebuilding, closure of the cemetery, and establishing the Parish of St. Thomas all post-date the death and burial of Eliza Tindall in March 1840. Shouldn't Eliza Tindall be buried somewhere in St. Wilfrid's Churchyard? This is my dilemma--I need to understand what has happened between what I know and what the NBI reports. Who has jurisdiction over the graves in St. Wilfrid's Churchyard? And, I need to do all of this from the USA! Thanks in advance to anyone who can shed light on this situation, Carolyn in sub-zero Minnesota, USA

The NBI has many of the same problems as the IGI.  In fact, some of the data was brought over from the IGI. 1.  Parish names are sometimes incorrect. 2.  Church dedications are incorrect. 3.  Individual names/dates are incorrect. 4.  Some entries were omitted. It has been estimated that the IGI's error rate is about 10%.  I haven't seen statistics for the NBI.  But ANY entry you find should be checked against the parish register or the Bishop's Transcript. But both of these indexes are still a good starting point.  Just don't don't trust them completely. I have also found errors in the dedications noted in White's and Kelley's Directories.  You best bet is to go to the church and lay eyes upon the signs.  A handful of churches were rededicated after a major rebuild or restoration.  Normally, the old dedication was renewed, but it was an opportunity to recast the dedication to one that everyone felt was more appropriate.         Lou

Jane, With hundreds of possible baptisms for William Hart and William Hartshorn around 1810, you really need to make a strong case for his exact surname, age and birthplace. Unfortunately, it's doubly difficult because they moved around and you don't have the advantage of a post 1837 marriage that would give his father. What you don't give is data from post 1841 censuses that could be checked for consistency of name, age and birthplace. If you could identify his siblings, then you could give some credence to commonality of birthplace. Being a coal miner, it's doubtful his father left a will. There is also the option that a parent, sibling or other relative can be found with him in later census. You might also look at naming patterns. But with so many variants creating so many possibilities, it's a very difficult ask. Peter

Hi Carolyn As all information seems to have much the same as you have found the only thing contradicting this appears to be the NBI <https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Kirkby_in_Ashfield,_Nottinghamshire> Therefore I would think your best course of action is to contact the FFHS who publish the NBI Who it would seem can only confirm what you know I would have thought It appears to me that they do not list St Wildrids at all and all burials they have for Kirkby in Ashfield are in their database as St Thomas I would conclude they simply have it wrong but I can't see what they can do about really, its just human error at some point along the way Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 07/01/2014 16:06, Charles Sidebottom wrote: > Hi Listers! Happy New Year! > > > > I am new to this list, and I am looking forward to learning a lot about my > TINDALL, STONES, VARLEY, and PADLEY ancestors from the general areas of > Greasley and Kirkby in Ashfield. > > > > Does anyone know a knowledgeable person in the Kirkby in Ashfield, > Nottingham area that I could have an email conversation with concerning the > National Burial Index and it's apparent inconsistencies of dates and > jurisdictions regarding one of my ancestors? > > > > BACKGROUND FOR THIS REQUEST: > > > > At present, the NBI seems to indicate that Eliza Tindall, who was born 24 > Feb 1840 and died 11 Mar 1840, was buried 13 Mar 1840 in Kirkby in Ashfield > in a cemetery dedicated to St. Thomas. The denomination of St. Thomas is > Anglican. The coverage for this NBI entry spans the years 1813 to 1963.

Happy New Year to everyone. I am seeking a baptism of a William Hart(shorn) who was born c.1809/10 according to later census in Watnall or Langley. I suspect he is the son of Thomas and Hannah (nee MEAKING) who married in 1808 in Greasley parish and baptised several children there. Thomas Hart came from West Hallam, Derbyshire and had returned there by 1824. They were coal miners. William also made his home in West Hallam and is mentioned in the Royal Commission on the Employment of Miners as a butty who was injured in a roof fall. Thanks Jane

Hi Listers! Happy New Year! I am new to this list, and I am looking forward to learning a lot about my TINDALL, STONES, VARLEY, and PADLEY ancestors from the general areas of Greasley and Kirkby in Ashfield. Does anyone know a knowledgeable person in the Kirkby in Ashfield, Nottingham area that I could have an email conversation with concerning the National Burial Index and it's apparent inconsistencies of dates and jurisdictions regarding one of my ancestors? BACKGROUND FOR THIS REQUEST: At present, the NBI seems to indicate that Eliza Tindall, who was born 24 Feb 1840 and died 11 Mar 1840, was buried 13 Mar 1840 in Kirkby in Ashfield in a cemetery dedicated to St. Thomas. The denomination of St. Thomas is Anglican. The coverage for this NBI entry spans the years 1813 to 1963. Eliza Tindall was christened 01 Mar 1840 in the Parish Church of Kirkby in Ashfield . I have been under the impression from my research that the only Anglican church in that area at the time was St. Wilfrid's, a very ancient church. In 1866, the tower portion of the church was rebuilt due to decay, and in 1907, the church was destroyed by fire except for the rebuilt Tower and a couple of lower walls. Parish records were rescued and survived the fire. The church was rebuilt using many of the original features, and it was ready for worship by November 1908. I understand that St. Wilfrid's remains an active church today according to information on the Internet. However, St. Wilfrid's Churchyard was closed to burials in November 1883. I also understand that due to the expansion of mining in the area, and a large influx of people, another Anglican Parish was established on 23 May 1903. This church was dedicated to St. Thomas. A second source indicated that the church of St. Thomas was built in 1910. Regardless when St. Thomas was built, it seems to me that all of this building, fire, rebuilding, closure of the cemetery, and establishing the Parish of St. Thomas all post-date the death and burial of Eliza Tindall in March 1840. Shouldn't Eliza Tindall be buried somewhere in St. Wilfrid's Churchyard? This is my dilemma--I need to understand what has happened between what I know and what the NBI reports. Who has jurisdiction over the graves in St. Wilfrid's Churchyard? And, I need to do all of this from the USA! Thanks in advance to anyone who can shed light on this situation, Carolyn in sub-zero Minnesota, USA

Hi Lin You get a better idea if you use the RG78 for the 1911 address Where you will find its close to Rock Hill and Berry Hill Lane So it should have been somewhere just South of NG18 4HH Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 06/01/2014 20:11, Lcsearch3528@aol.com wrote: > Hello, > > On the 1911 Census my Gr Grandfather Robert Randall & his wife Harriett > (nee Linney) were living at Sandhole Farm, Mansfield and despite doing a > 'Google Search' I can find no mention of this farm. I wonder if anyone knows > where it was, whether it is still there (unlikely) or maybe its under a > housing estate now, but it would be interesting to have a bit of information > about. > > The census also shows that they had 11 children, 4 of whom died and 7 were > alive at the time of the census. > > If anyone knows even a little bit of information that would be lovely. > > Best wishes, > > Lin

Hello, On the 1911 Census my Gr Grandfather Robert Randall & his wife Harriett (nee Linney) were living at Sandhole Farm, Mansfield and despite doing a 'Google Search' I can find no mention of this farm. I wonder if anyone knows where it was, whether it is still there (unlikely) or maybe its under a housing estate now, but it would be interesting to have a bit of information about. The census also shows that they had 11 children, 4 of whom died and 7 were alive at the time of the census. If anyone knows even a little bit of information that would be lovely. Best wishes, Lin

Hej! For lisers interested in coalmining in Nottinghamshire there is a lot of information about persons involved in the industry in the book "The Miners of Nottinghamshire" by Alan R Griffin. The book is out of print but it may be possible to borrow it from a library or buy it from an old book store. Best wishes Graham Freeman Göteborg, Sweden ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob & Janet" <jb.armstrong@clear.net.nz> To: "Brian Binns" <bnbinns@gmail.com>; <NOTTSGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [NTT] Conditions in Notts Pits > The coal seams surfaced, or outcropped in Derbyshire, especially along the > Erewash valley, gradually becoming deeper as they dipped beneath > Nottinghamshire: Coal mining was easier in Derbyshire and so began > developing at an earlier date A lot of those early and shallower pits were > already worked out by the time of the first world war; many Notts > collieries > were developed later than 1842. > But it is interesting to come across many of the names linked to my own > family research, especially those in the Ilkeston, Cossall and Strelley > areas. > > Have a good new year everyone > > Bob > Gisborne NZ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Binns" <bnbinns@gmail.com> > To: <NOTTSGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 3:24 AM > Subject: [NTT] Conditions in Notts Pits > > >> >> >> Someone posted this link on the Leicestershire Rootsweb site, but it is a >> national report and has information on Notts coalmines (listed for some >> odd >> reason under Derbyshire). >> >> >> >> Brian Binns >> >> >> >> http://www.cmhrc.co.uk/site/literature/royalcommissionreports/index.html >> >> >> >> >> >> Notts Surname List >> >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The coal seams surfaced, or outcropped in Derbyshire, especially along the Erewash valley, gradually becoming deeper as they dipped beneath Nottinghamshire: Coal mining was easier in Derbyshire and so began developing at an earlier date A lot of those early and shallower pits were already worked out by the time of the first world war; many Notts collieries were developed later than 1842. But it is interesting to come across many of the names linked to my own family research, especially those in the Ilkeston, Cossall and Strelley areas. Have a good new year everyone Bob Gisborne NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Binns" <bnbinns@gmail.com> To: <NOTTSGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 3:24 AM Subject: [NTT] Conditions in Notts Pits > > > Someone posted this link on the Leicestershire Rootsweb site, but it is a > national report and has information on Notts coalmines (listed for some > odd > reason under Derbyshire). > > > > Brian Binns > > > > http://www.cmhrc.co.uk/site/literature/royalcommissionreports/index.html > > > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi I am trying to fid out more info based on the little my dad told me. My dad (RIGLEY) was born in 1928 in Sunderland because his mum had followed his dad around the country ( by this time she had been deserted by him). At some point authorities found my dad with his brothers and sisters abandoned in an attic. This must have been in Nottingham. Dad always said that as a child he remembered a woman climbing over glass covered walls to get back into the workhouse. By thsi time he and his siblings had been split up. He was fostered out to a family in WORKSOP. I dont kow if he went through Barnardos. He thinks that the workhouse had become a childrens home by that time. At 14 he had to go out to work so that money could be given to foster mum who wouldnt/couldnt afford to send him to Grammar school. He located his mum when he was nearly 30 and she would sporadically turn up during my childhood. I know a brother turned up when I was about 5 ( about 1964) but I never met his sister or other brother . I wondered how or eevn if I could locate information regarding his childhood history LIz

Someone posted this link on the Leicestershire Rootsweb site, but it is a national report and has information on Notts coalmines (listed for some odd reason under Derbyshire). Brian Binns http://www.cmhrc.co.uk/site/literature/royalcommissionreports/index.html

I could find nothing on the British Newspaper site on FindMyPast, Gilly. The site has Nottingham Evening post to 1944, but Notts Guardian only goes to 1900. Happy New Year, Dai On 01/01/2014 02:00, gillykh wrote: Hi I am looking for a possible obituary for Albert Edward Holt died in Nottingham Hospital June qtr of 1904. Can anyone help me please? Thank you Gilly

I realise I have made a mistake.    [Too many hours spent looking at miscellaneous Smiths and Smythes.] Martha was grand-daughter of William White. William White of Newark, (now decd. in 1785) | Ann White marries John Smith of Newark | Martha nee Smith marries Unknown Woodward then moves to Poplar, Mx. ?born early to mid 1700s?... anywhere along the canal routes passing through North Notts. Of course,, Martha could have been married before marrying Woodward, or she could be a Martha White if she had been illegitimate before her parents married... And this is before I toast in the New Year.. Mavis >________________________________ > From: MAVIS JOHNSON <mayjaysomerset@btinternet.com> >To: "NOTTSGEN@rootsweb.com" <NOTTSGEN@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, 31 December 2013, 17:45 >Subject: [NTT] William White of Newark, Boatman, and daughter Martha Woodward of Poplar, Middx. > > >I came across a reference to William White of Newark, and a piece of land (?one rod) he or his daughter may have owned at Newark.     >A very small piece of land, perhaps a lock-up or store? > >I have checked the Notts FHS Marriage Index and there is no Martha Smith marriage to a Woodward. > >Does anyone have access to the FHS Baptism index please? > >Lease and Release   > >DD/S/8/4  1785 Contents: >Martha Woodward of Poplar, co. Middlesex, widow  >(only surviving child of John Smith of Newark and his wife Ann,  >who was daughter of William White of Newark, boatman,dec'd.) to -:--  >parcel (1r.) on West side of Northgate, Newark--: Not executed > > >Any help would be appreciated. > > >Mavis,  >born Nottingham, now in Somerset,. > > > >Notts Surname List > >http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi I am looking for a possible obituary for Albert Edward Holt died in Nottingham Hospital June qtr of 1904. Can anyone help me please? Thank you Gilly

I came across a reference to William White of Newark, and a piece of land (?one rod) he or his daughter may have owned at Newark.     A very small piece of land, perhaps a lock-up or store? I have checked the Notts FHS Marriage Index and there is no Martha Smith marriage to a Woodward. Does anyone have access to the FHS Baptism index please? Lease and Release   DD/S/8/4  1785 Contents: Martha Woodward of Poplar, co. Middlesex, widow  (only surviving child of John Smith of Newark and his wife Ann,  who was daughter of William White of Newark, boatman,dec'd.) to -:--  parcel (1r.) on West side of Northgate, Newark--: Not executed Any help would be appreciated. Mavis,  born Nottingham, now in Somerset,.

Notes from the Parish Register following 1812 burials: The Rev John HOLT vicar of this parish died 26 Dec 1835 ~~~~~~ John EGGLESTON junr appointed clark of this parish by the Archdeacon of Nottingham the Rev Thomas OWSTON curat pending a vicar being appointed. Signes by James CROSS & Robert BEE churcwardens 9 Jun 1836 ~~~~~~ The Rev W MOLD apointed vicar for this parish 12 Aug 1836 ~~~~~~ The Rev Wm MOULD died 11 Jan 1837 ~~~~~~ John EGGLESTON apointed clark of this parish 11 Feb 1810 by the Revd J HOLT vicar, the Revd Wm HODGE curate, Robt RAVEN & Edw MARPLES I hope this is of interest to someone John Mellors

Entry 261 in Burial Register for 2 Feb 1901 Echo Memorial Service at 2pm for her late Majestry Queen Victoria who died at Osborne House on Tuesday 22 Jan 1901 at 6.30 pm Funeral from Isle of Wight to Windsor Saturday 2nd Feb - this her 82nd year and 64th year of her reign G HOPTON SCOTT vicar since 1861 the year in which the Prince Consort died There was a full attendance at the 8pm service Hope this is of interest to someone John Mellors