----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Binns" <bnbinns@gmail.com> To: <NOTTSGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 11:12 AM Subject: [NTT] Unusual middle names <snip> > Brian Binns > My own family regularly used maternal surnames as middle names, and as given names too. My own father has a given name which is his grandmother's maiden name on one side, and a middle name which is his own mother's maiden name. My great-grandfather had several middle names which I'm sure were a clue to his father but I have never been able to work it out: Frederick Thomas Major Horace Jesson (b. 1872). His mother never married, and so he was illegitimate, but there was always a family story about a "rich French actor" being implicated. I wrote an article about this in "Theatrical Roots", Your Family History, #24, February 2012, p.42. Tony Proctor

I have a person in my wife's tree called Joan Beaumont Hamel GREEN. It interested me as my maternal grandfather fought at Beaumont Hamel in WWI, and was derided for years for making the name up. Actually I have been there -- scene of one of the largest mining/trench explosions. OTOH I cannot find any evidence that Miss Green had any connection to the hamlet. ==John ffitch

Hi a very belated 'thank you' to everyone who has responded to my query re Grt Grandfather Randall at Sand Hole Farm, Mansfied. I did appreciate your responses when I opened up my computer today after a break of a few days as I have had the most dreadful cough/cold that has really made me so tired. I've had it almost two weeks now and starting to feel a little more normal today, so hopefully tomorrow I will follow through some of your leads. My family knew I wasn't well when they saw the computer hadn't been switched on!!! Thank you all very much Lin

Hi List Just again a thank you to all who have helped including the last few email's from Brian Binns. Doreen ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6987 - Release Date: 01/08/14

Peter, Thank you for your response. On the 1841 census at West Hallam William, his wife and children are recorded as HART and William states he is 30 (i.e 30-34) not born in the county. In 1851 again at West Hallam and recorded as HART, he is 41 born Watnall. In 1861at West Hallam, HART, age 52 Notts Langley(!) The children are called William, John, Thomas, Matthew, Zachariah, Hannah, Sarah Ann and Moses. I suspect William is the son of Thomas Hart, who was baptised at Ilkeston on 18 Jun 1790 son of Humphrey Hartshorn and Rebecca SLACK. William married Hannah MEAKING on 27 Dec 1808 at Greasley (PR); witnesses Dolly Meaking and Humphrey Hart. Their first four children were baptised in Greasley - Humphrey 1809, Rebecca 1811, Enoch 1813 and Sarah 1816. The next child Moses is bapt at West Hallam in 1824. Christiana, Elijah, Patience, Rachael and Job follow at West Hallam. William would fit in between Humphrey and Rebecca. Their are many Hart families at West Hallam and neighbouring Stanley. Sometimes they use the name Hartshorn(e) on census and in parish registers. I have not found any wills relating to the family. Jane

Hi Thank you to all those who have helped me with sorting out my muddle of Harriett SAXTON. Census information was sent from different sources. Also one member pointed out that the said father would have been only 12 at the time Harriett was born! It always surprises me this list, so many helpful people. No wonder I have been a member of it since (should I say) no, I will only say years! Thanks to everyone for the help, I think I can now untangle it all. Well I think I can. Doreen in OZ -------Original Message------- Subject: [NTT] Harriett SAXTON b.1848 Happy New Year to All I am in a bit muddle about an entry on Ancestry. To make it clear, I have included the Census' 1851, 1861, 1871 and the marriage entry of Harriet SAXTON to whom I am referring too. I was just checking the 1881 on Ancestry before I got any certificates and someone has put a correction in (well I think it is a correction?) There is no other marriages or deaths for my Harriet SAXTON between 1861 and 1881. Would some kind person be able to look at the original and see if they can work it out please? Will be subscribing to Ancestry in the next few weeks when I have got together what I want to check on the site. Thank you Doreen Name:Harriett Ball [Harriett Broomhead] Age:33 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1848 Relationship to Head:Head Father:Henry Broomhead Gender:Female Where born:Nottinghamshire, England ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6987 - Release Date: 01/08/14

Doreen, You've got me well and truly confused. 1861 has her transcribed as Anet, but I'd look at the original image. Buying the 1867 marriage certificate of Harriet Saxton & George Ball, should prove her father. The second problem seems to be an error in the relationship to Henry Broomhead in 1881 census. He'd only be 12 when Harriet was born, so too young for her father. I'd suggest you trace him in 1841, 1851, 1861 and 1871. He could be a relative of some kind. Peter

my favourite from my research is Goldsmith Waghorn Booker..... named after the maiden names of his grandmothers ! Sarah :) www.lilyrose.org 'Don’t judge a person by what you see, for looks do not tell their history, a vivacious past, a quiet soul, our own past is what makes us whole' SRW 2008 > From: bnbinns@gmail.com > To: NOTTSGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 11:12:18 +0000 > Subject: [NTT] Unusual middle names > > Further to my recent postings, I just loved that name I found -William > Westmoreland PEET. Sounds like something you would buy from a garden > centre!! What an unusual second Christian name. > > > > Second Christian names when they have been surnames are very helpful in > tracing trees, and have certainly helped me. In my COOKE line I have OWEN > and TIMMS as previous - usually female - surnames occurring through many > generations from the mid 1700s to the present day. The same applies to my > EAGLESFIELD line. However the most unusual second Christian name I have is > for my maternal great grandmother, who was Mary Inkerman LEE, named after > the battle in the Crimean War from the year she was born. There is no direct > connection with a family member who may have fought in this battle. > > Imagine a child nowadays being named John Helmand Smith, or from many years > ago, Mary Falklands Jones. > > > > Brian Binns > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Happy New Year to All I am in a bit muddle about an entry on Ancestry. To make it clear, I have included the Census' 1851, 1861, 1871 and the marriage entry of Harriet SAXTON to whom I am referring too. I was just checking the 1881 on Ancestry before I got any certificates and someone has put a correction in (well I think it is a correction?) There is no other marriages or deaths for my Harriet SAXTON between 1861 and 1881. Would some kind person be able to look at the original and see if they can work it out please? Will be subscribing to Ancestry in the next few weeks when I have got together what I want to check on the site. Thank you Doreen Name:Harriett Ball [Harriett Broomhead] Age:33 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1848 Relationship to Head:Head Father:Henry Broomhead Gender:Female Where born:Nottinghamshire, England Civil Parish:Nottingham St Mary County/Island:Nottinghamshire Country:England Street Address:11 Nelson St Marital Status:Windower (Widower) Household Members:NameAge Harriett Ball 33 George Ball 14 Henry Ball 11 Harriett Ball 8 Louisa Ball 6 Henry Broomhead 45 Marriages Jun 1867 Saxton Harriett, nott'm, 7b,335 George Frederick BALL 1851 census Saulsbury Sq. Charles SAXTON, head, m, 21, occ Cabinetmaker/journeyman, born Nott'm Sarah SAXTON, wife, 20, born Nott'm Harriet SAXTON, dau, 3, born Nott'm (Anet)? Elizabeth SAXTON, dau, 1, born Nott'm 1861 census of RADFORD NOTT'm film no 0542973 RG2451. Eyre St, Snienton, Charles SAXTON,head,marr,31? Cabinet maker,born Nott'm, Sarah,wife,29,born Nott'm, Anet, dau,13, born, Nott'm, Elizabeth ,dau, 11, born, Nott'm, Eliza, dau, 8, born,Nott'm, Joseph, son, 6, born Sneinton, 1871 Census, Nottingham, St Mary 10 Nelson St George BALL, head, mar, 25, Coach Smith, born Nott'm Harriett BALL, wife, 23, Lace Hand, born Nott'm George BALL, son, 4, Scholar, born Nott'm Harry BALL, son, 11 months, born Nott'm Charles MELLOR, lodger, mar, 20, Shoe maker, born Nott'm Elizabeth MELLOR, lodger, mar, 19, Cotton Doubler, born Spalding Linc's ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6987 - Release Date: 01/08/14

Hi Lin, On the Find My Past 1911 census the address for Sand Hole Farm is given as Berry Hill Road, Mansfield. If you contact Frank Innes or Bairstow Eves Estate Agents or others in Mansfield who will know Berry Hill Road, they may be able to help you. I just Googled - estate agents, Mansfield, England Good luck, Ann in warm NZ On 7/01/2014 9:11 a.m., Lcsearch3528@aol.com wrote: > Hello, > > On the 1911 Census my Gr Grandfather Robert Randall & his wife Harriett > (nee Linney) were living at Sandhole Farm, Mansfield and despite doing a > 'Google Search' I can find no mention of this farm. I wonder if anyone knows > where it was, whether it is still there (unlikely) or maybe its under a > housing estate now, but it would be interesting to have a bit of information > about. > > The census also shows that they had 11 children, 4 of whom died and 7 were > alive at the time of the census. > > If anyone knows even a little bit of information that would be lovely. > > Best wishes, > > Lin > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I've just realised I made an unintended pun when I said that Henry BROOMHEAD and Ann were "living over the brush". Well it part makes up for the comments I have had made to me over the years about my surname. "I bet you take everything in" etc etc Brian Binns

Hi My name is Liz Jones and I have started a Denman DNA Surname Project at Family Tree DNA. I'd like to decalre upfront that I have no financial interest in the company. I have been researching the history of the Denman surname since 1999. Through my research I have become very interested in the history of the Denman name and its origins, as well as tracing my own Denman line. I know from the censuses that Nottinghamshire has one of the earliest mentions of the Denman surname. A Surname Project traces members of a family that share a common surname. The project started in 2010, and we now have at least one representative from the Nottinghamshire, Sussex and Somerset lines, expect to have many exciting discoveries. More participants are welcomed, as it is good to have at least two participants from each line to confirm the results. Participating is an opportunity to uncover information not provided in the paper records, which will help with your family history research. We will also discover which family trees are related. As the project progresses, the results for the various family trees will provide information about the evolution of the surname. Are all people with the surname Denman related? Are the Notts & Sussex Denmans related? Where did the name originate? Early indications from the DNA Project are that there are at least two points of origin for the Denman surname. The Y DNA test (a simple cheek swab test) tells you about your direct male line, which would be your father, his father, and back in time. You must be male and surnamed Denman to join this project, if you are female, you will need to find a direct line male Denman in your family tree to take the test and represent your tree, such as your father, brother, uncle or cousin. The reason you have to be a male surname-bearer to join a surname project is that Y-DNA is handed down from father to son in an unbroken line through each generation, along with their surname - the Y chromosome and surname travel down hand in hand through time - Y-DNA cannot pass through a woman. Tests ordered through this project are charged at the special group rate which provides a substantial saving on the standard price. By the way, I don’t work for Family Tree DNA, nor do I benefit financially – I just manage the Denman project in the hope that it will be of help to Denman researchers. In conjunction with this I have registered my study of the Denman surname with The Guild of One Name Studies, you can have a look at the study’s Profile Page here - http://www.one-name.org/profiles/denman.html. Further information is available here: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/denman/default.aspx(drop down menu from the ‘About This Group’ button on the blue bar), or if you have any questions please don't hesitate to contact me. Kind regards Liz Jones

I have come across Broomheads while researching my early Cutts lace families in Nottingham.     Do not have much information on them, but this may help. 1841George St. Basford (off Duke St. - many lacemakers in this district) Samuel and Hannah CUTTS (nee Bramley) had three Broomhead children with them including Ann, b. o/s Notts 15, a Lace Winder,.   Thomas Broomhead, 3, b,. Notts,  Granville Broomhead, 4 months. Believe they are related to related familes, probably lodging temporarily.   If Ann's age is nearer 20 they could be her children? Samuel and Hannah Cutts emigrated to US in 1842 1851Pelican St. Radford  (Near Canning Circus) Harriett Broomhead, M. 35 (no husband with her) and Ann Broomhead, 25, Single, 35, both born Wymeswold, Leicestershire. 1861not found 1871Pelican St.Radford Mary Broomhead,  M. Head. 48, Dealer in Lace, b. Wymeswold John Brown    M. Head and Lodger, 40 Lace Maker, b. Lenton Harriet Brown    Da 36, Lace Maker's wife (married 3 Feb 1852 Sneinton St. Stephen) 4 Brown children. The Brown family  moved along the Canals, as did several of the Cutts families. Early fwks and lace makers were from Notts., Derbys, Leics, and part of Lincs., many working at home and sending their work to the Lace Manufacturers who were moving to the towns as mechanisation changed the production. Most of these families were Non Conformists and thus will be found in the various Chapel records. I would be interested in hearing from anyone who can add more to these families. Mavis >________________________________ > From: Brian Binns <bnbinns@gmail.com> >To: NOTTSGEN-L@rootsweb.com >Sent: Thursday, 9 January 2014, 10:15 >Subject: [NTT] Broomhead/Ball > > >Further to my last posting. > > > >Henry BROOMHEAD died Oct-Dec quarter 1896, Nottingham, birth year shown as >1835. > > > >Harriet BROOMHEAD died July-Sept quarter 1899, Nottingham, birth year shown >as 1847 > > > >Arthur BROOMHEAD, and Ada BROOMHEAD are on the 1901 census living with Henry >BALL, and described as step-brother and step-sister. These appear to be the >only two children of Henry and Harriet. > > > >I have just realised that the Harry BROOMHEAD on the 1891 census was in fact >Henry BALL - Henry being compatible with Harry, and the enumerator including >all children, incorrectly, under the BROOMHEAD name. > > > >Still can't find a marriage. Obviously lived "over the brush". > > > >Brian Binns > > > >Notts Surname List > >http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

please email back if still on this board thanks Di McKee

Hi Brian and others I too have surnames as Christian names, notably in my family, DUROSE. If anyone has DUROSE from Nottingham I would love to hear from you, the name originates in Stafforshire, mainly around Uttoxeter, but my line moved to Nottingham in about 1901. Liz P On 9 January 2014 11:12, Brian Binns <bnbinns@gmail.com> wrote: > Further to my recent postings, I just loved that name I found -William > Westmoreland PEET. Sounds like something you would buy from a garden > centre!! What an unusual second Christian name. > > > > Second Christian names when they have been surnames are very helpful in > tracing trees, and have certainly helped me. In my COOKE line I have OWEN > and TIMMS as previous - usually female - surnames occurring through many > generations from the mid 1700s to the present day. The same applies to my > EAGLESFIELD line. However the most unusual second Christian name I have is > for my maternal great grandmother, who was Mary Inkerman LEE, named after > the battle in the Crimean War from the year she was born. There is no > direct > connection with a family member who may have fought in this battle. > > Imagine a child nowadays being named John Helmand Smith, or from many years > ago, Mary Falklands Jones. > > > > Brian Binns > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Further to my recent postings, I just loved that name I found -William Westmoreland PEET. Sounds like something you would buy from a garden centre!! What an unusual second Christian name. Second Christian names when they have been surnames are very helpful in tracing trees, and have certainly helped me. In my COOKE line I have OWEN and TIMMS as previous - usually female - surnames occurring through many generations from the mid 1700s to the present day. The same applies to my EAGLESFIELD line. However the most unusual second Christian name I have is for my maternal great grandmother, who was Mary Inkerman LEE, named after the battle in the Crimean War from the year she was born. There is no direct connection with a family member who may have fought in this battle. Imagine a child nowadays being named John Helmand Smith, or from many years ago, Mary Falklands Jones. Brian Binns

Further to my last posting. Henry BROOMHEAD died Oct-Dec quarter 1896, Nottingham, birth year shown as 1835. Harriet BROOMHEAD died July-Sept quarter 1899, Nottingham, birth year shown as 1847 Arthur BROOMHEAD, and Ada BROOMHEAD are on the 1901 census living with Henry BALL, and described as step-brother and step-sister. These appear to be the only two children of Henry and Harriet. I have just realised that the Harry BROOMHEAD on the 1891 census was in fact Henry BALL - Henry being compatible with Harry, and the enumerator including all children, incorrectly, under the BROOMHEAD name. Still can't find a marriage. Obviously lived "over the brush". Brian Binns

The 1881 census has Henry BROOMHEAD - recorded as Broomhand - in Macclesfield with his wife Ann. The ages and birthplaces fit, so this is the same Henry BROOMHEAD as recorded on the 1871 census in Macclesfield. There appears to be two people called Henry BROOMHEAD, both born around 1833-1835 in Chesterfield. On the 1861 census, there is Henry BROOMHEAD, age 26, born Chesterfield, Lace worker, lodging with William and Ann PEET, in Independent Street, Radford, Nottingham. Ann PEET is recorded as born in Chesterfield, and this led me to find a marriage between William Westmoreland PEET and Ann BROOMHEAD, in Nottingham in the Oct-Dec 1859 quarter. So this Henry is lodging with his sister and brother in law. Just to show that there are definitely two Henry's, I found the "other one" on the 1861 census, age 33, born Chesterfield, as an ag. Lab in Congleton, Cheshire. This ties in with the Henry later on in nearby Macclesfield. However, on checking the 1891 census I found Henry BROOMHEAD, age 56, born Chesterfield, Lacemaker in Marple Street Nottingham married to Harriet. Her age is given as 41, which is a couple of years out. Also there is a son Harry age 26 who I can't place, though a daughter of Harriet's, also Harriet, does match. It looks like Henry and Harriet had their own children, but search as I may I can't find a marriage. So in Summary, it looks like Henry BROOMHEAD was a lodger in 1881 with Harriet, and maybe more, but definitely not her father. Sorry but I don't have the time at the moment to trace them any further, but hope this helps. Brian Binns -----Original Message----- From: nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dai & Angela Bevan Sent: 09 January 2014 07:55 To: nottsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NTT] Harriett SAXTON b.1848 Hello Doreen, The 1881 census clearly describes Henry Broomhead, 45, Lacemaker. born Chesterfield, as the father of the head of household - 33 year old Harriet Ball. This clearly seem most unlikely, but is why someone has written 'Broomhead' as an alternative name. In 1871 36 year ld Henry Broomhead is in Bunker's Hill, Macclesfield Cheshire with an 18 year old wife, Ann. I would suggest that you are quite right in thinking this is your Harriet in 1881, and that the enumeratior has the wrong relationship for Henry Broomhead. Dai On 09/01/2014 07:16, Doreen wrote: Happy New Year to All I am in a bit muddle about an entry on Ancestry. To make it clear, I have included the Census' 1851, 1861, 1871 and the marriage entry of Harriet SAXTON to whom I am referring too. I was just checking the 1881 on Ancestry before I got any certificates and someone has put a correction in (well I think it is a correction?) There is no other marriages or deaths for my Harriet SAXTON between 1861 and 1881. Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm looking for a researcher who uses the National Archives at Kew. I would like to order a section of one particular piece of 17th century archive material. Can anyone recommend a researcher they may have used who is comfortable with mid-17th paleography? I have a list of contractors from the National Archives, and I know I could use one of theirs. Am I right in assuming that they would assign the appropriate person to my particular request? Many thanks, Suella Postles On 9 January 2014 08:00, <nottsgen-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 5 (Louis Mills) > 2. seekimng James Gill - VICKERS research (Balloon Expedition Co.) > 3. Re: Eliza Tindall (Lesley O'Connell) > 4. Re: RANDALL at Sand Hole Farm, Mansfield (Ann Bassford) > 5. Harriett SAXTON b.1848 (Doreen) > 6. Re: Harriett SAXTON b.1848 (Mike Fry) > 7. Re: Harriett SAXTON b.1848 (Dai & Angela Bevan) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 09:58:08 -0800 (PST) > From: Louis Mills <louis_mills@att.net> > Subject: Re: [NTT] NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 5 > To: "nottsgen@rootsweb.com" <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1389203888.69034.YahooMailNeo@web184301.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > The NBI has many of the same problems as the IGI.? In fact, some of the > data was brought over from the IGI. > > 1.? Parish names are sometimes incorrect. > 2.? Church dedications are incorrect. > 3.? Individual names/dates are incorrect. > 4.? Some entries were omitted. > > It has been estimated that the IGI's error rate is about 10%.? I haven't > seen statistics for the NBI.? But ANY entry you find should be checked > against the parish register or the Bishop's Transcript. > > But both of these indexes are still a good starting point.? Just don't > don't trust them completely. > > I have also found errors in the dedications noted in White's and Kelley's > Directories.? You best bet is to go to the church and lay eyes upon the > signs.? A handful of churches were rededicated after a major rebuild or > restoration.? Normally, the old dedication was renewed, but it was an > opportunity to recast the dedication to one that everyone felt was more > appropriate. > > ??????? Lou > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 11:47:44 +1300 > From: "Balloon Expedition Co." <balexped@ihug.co.nz> > Subject: [NTT] seekimng James Gill - VICKERS research > To: <NOTTSGEN@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <AC774ABA589B4EC882895D0A2ACFA361@diane49b4da1eb> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > please email back if still on this board > > thanks > Di McKee > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 02:56:05 +0100 > From: "Lesley O'Connell" <lesleyo@tesco.net> > Subject: Re: [NTT] Eliza Tindall > To: <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <D3C515C098EE45909620B2D31A64FCC9@nolo> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > > > > Hi Carolyn > > As you say, St Wilfrid's churchyard was closed for burials in 1883. The > local council now maintain it, although I suspect that the Church of > England > still theoretically have 'jurisdiction'. See > > http://southwellchurches.history.nottingham.ac.uk/kirkby-st-wilfrid/hchyard.php > . > The parish records have been deposited at Nottingham Archives. > > It seems very likely that Eliza was indeed buried at St Wilfrid, all the > other churches, St Thomas, St Andrew and St John, having been built in the > 20th century and the local cemeteries all postdate > Eliza's death. > > Regards > Lesley > Aveyron, France > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > At present, the NBI seems to indicate that Eliza Tindall, who was born 24 > Feb 1840 and died 11 Mar 1840, was buried 13 Mar 1840 in Kirkby in Ashfield > in a cemetery dedicated to St. Thomas. The denomination of St. Thomas is > Anglican. The coverage for this NBI entry spans the years 1813 to 1963. > > > > Eliza Tindall was christened 01 Mar 1840 in the Parish Church of Kirkby in > Ashfield . I have been under the impression from my research that the only > Anglican church in that area at the time was St. Wilfrid's, a very ancient > church. In 1866, the tower portion of the church was rebuilt due to decay, > and in 1907, the church was destroyed by fire except for the rebuilt Tower > and a couple of lower walls. Parish records were rescued and survived the > fire. The church was rebuilt using many of the original features, and it > was ready for worship by November 1908. I understand that St. Wilfrid's > remains an active church today according to information on the Internet. > However, St. Wilfrid's Churchyard was closed to burials in November 1883. > > > > I also understand that due to the expansion of mining in the area, and a > large influx of people, another Anglican Parish was established on 23 May > 1903. This church was dedicated to St. Thomas. A second source indicated > that the church of St. Thomas was built in 1910. > > > > Regardless when St. Thomas was built, it seems to me that all of this > building, fire, rebuilding, closure of the cemetery, and establishing the > Parish of St. Thomas all post-date the death and burial of Eliza Tindall in > March 1840. > > > > Shouldn't Eliza Tindall be buried somewhere in St. Wilfrid's Churchyard? > > > > This is my dilemma--I need to understand what has happened between what I > know and what the NBI reports. Who has jurisdiction over the graves in > St. > Wilfrid's Churchyard? And, I need to do all of this from the USA! > > > > Thanks in advance to anyone who can shed light on this situation, > > > > Carolyn > > in sub-zero Minnesota, USA > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2014 15:07:38 +1300 > From: Ann Bassford <forest.ann@xtra.co.nz> > Subject: Re: [NTT] RANDALL at Sand Hole Farm, Mansfield > To: nottsgen@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <52CE046A.8050609@xtra.co.nz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi Lin, > > On the Find My Past 1911 census the address for Sand Hole Farm is given > as Berry Hill Road, Mansfield. > If you contact Frank Innes or Bairstow Eves Estate Agents or others in > Mansfield who will know Berry Hill Road, they may be able to help you. > I just Googled - estate agents, Mansfield, England > Good luck, > Ann in warm NZ > > On 7/01/2014 9:11 a.m., Lcsearch3528@aol.com wrote: > > Hello, > > > > On the 1911 Census my Gr Grandfather Robert Randall & his wife Harriett > > (nee Linney) were living at Sandhole Farm, Mansfield and despite doing a > > 'Google Search' I can find no mention of this farm. I wonder if anyone > knows > > where it was, whether it is still there (unlikely) or maybe its under a > > housing estate now, but it would be interesting to have a bit of > information > > about. > > > > The census also shows that they had 11 children, 4 of whom died and 7 > were > > alive at the time of the census. > > > > If anyone knows even a little bit of information that would be lovely. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Lin > > > > > > Notts Surname List > > > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 17:46:03 +1030 (Cen. Australia Daylight Time) > From: "Doreen" <reen2@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: [NTT] Harriett SAXTON b.1848 > To: "Nottsgen" <nottsgen-l@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <52CE4CB2.000003.05232@DOREEN-PC> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Happy New Year to All > > I am in a bit muddle about an entry on Ancestry. > To make it clear, I have included the Census' 1851, 1861, 1871 and the > marriage entry of Harriet SAXTON to whom I am referring too. > I was just checking the 1881 on Ancestry before I got any certificates and > someone has put a correction in (well I think it is a correction?) There > is > no other marriages or deaths for my Harriet SAXTON between 1861 and 1881. > > Would some kind person be able to look at the original and see if they can > work it out please? > Will be subscribing to Ancestry in the next few weeks when I have got > together what I want to check on the site. > Thank you Doreen > Name:Harriett Ball > [Harriett Broomhead] > Age:33 > Estimated Birth Year:abt 1848 > Relationship to Head:Head > Father:Henry Broomhead > Gender:Female > Where born:Nottinghamshire, England > > Civil Parish:Nottingham St Mary > County/Island:Nottinghamshire > Country:England > > Street Address:11 Nelson St > Marital Status:Windower (Widower) > Household Members:NameAge > Harriett Ball 33 > George Ball 14 > Henry Ball 11 > Harriett Ball 8 > Louisa Ball 6 > Henry Broomhead 45 > > > > Marriages Jun 1867 > Saxton Harriett, nott'm, 7b,335 > George Frederick BALL > > 1851 census Saulsbury Sq. > Charles SAXTON, head, m, 21, occ Cabinetmaker/journeyman, born Nott'm > Sarah SAXTON, wife, 20, born Nott'm > Harriet SAXTON, dau, 3, born Nott'm (Anet)? > Elizabeth SAXTON, dau, 1, born Nott'm > > 1861 census of RADFORD NOTT'm film no 0542973 RG2451. > Eyre St, Snienton, > Charles SAXTON,head,marr,31? Cabinet maker,born Nott'm, > Sarah,wife,29,born Nott'm, > Anet, dau,13, born, Nott'm, > Elizabeth ,dau, 11, born, Nott'm, > Eliza, dau, 8, born,Nott'm, > Joseph, son, 6, born Sneinton, > > 1871 Census, Nottingham, St Mary > 10 Nelson St > George BALL, head, mar, 25, Coach Smith, born Nott'm > Harriett BALL, wife, 23, Lace Hand, born Nott'm > George BALL, son, 4, Scholar, born Nott'm > Harry BALL, son, 11 months, born Nott'm > Charles MELLOR, lodger, mar, 20, Shoe maker, born Nott'm > Elizabeth MELLOR, lodger, mar, 19, Cotton Doubler, born Spalding Linc's > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6987 - Release Date: 01/08/14 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2014 09:30:59 +0200 > From: Mike Fry <fredbonzo@iafrica.com> > Subject: Re: [NTT] Harriett SAXTON b.1848 > To: nottsgen@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <52CE5033.6000603@iafrica.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 2014/01/09 09:16, Doreen wrote: > > > I am in a bit muddle about an entry on Ancestry. > > I'm not surprised! > > > To make it clear, I have included the Census' 1851, 1861, 1871 and the > > marriage entry of Harriet SAXTON to whom I am referring too. > > I was just checking the 1881 on Ancestry before I got any certificates > and > > someone has put a correction in (well I think it is a correction?) > There is > > no other marriages or deaths for my Harriet SAXTON between 1861 and 1881. > > To me, these are two different Harriet BALLs. Your Harriet's father was > Charles. > Not Henry. > > I do wish that people wouldn't try and be helpful by entering women's > maiden > names as alternative or corrections. They may know what they're doing, but > it > doesn't help other people. It just confuses the issue and makes it easier > to go > off down the wrong track. > > -- > Regards, > Mike Fry > Johannesburg > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2014 07:55:21 +0000 > From: Dai & Angela Bevan <daibevan@clara.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [NTT] Harriett SAXTON b.1848 > To: nottsgen@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <52CE55E9.3090404@clara.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > > > Hello Doreen, > The 1881 census clearly describes Henry Broomhead, 45, Lacemaker. born > Chesterfield, as the father of the head of household - 33 year old > Harriet > Ball. > This clearly seem most unlikely, but is why someone has written > 'Broomhead' > as an alternative name. > In 1871 36 year ld Henry Broomhead is in Bunker's Hill, Macclesfield > Cheshire with an 18 year old wife, Ann. > I would suggest that you are quite right in thinking this is your > Harriet in > 1881, and that the enumeratior has the wrong relationship for Henry > Broomhead. > Dai > > On 09/01/2014 07:16, Doreen wrote: > > Happy New Year to All > > I am in a bit muddle about an entry on Ancestry. > To make it clear, I have included the Census' 1851, 1861, 1871 and the > marriage entry of Harriet SAXTON to whom I am referring too. > I was just checking the 1881 on Ancestry before I got any certificates and > someone has put a correction in (well I think it is a correction?) There > is > no other marriages or deaths for my Harriet SAXTON between 1861 and 1881. > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 6 > ************************************** >

On 2014/01/09 09:16, Doreen wrote: > I am in a bit muddle about an entry on Ancestry. I'm not surprised! > To make it clear, I have included the Census' 1851, 1861, 1871 and the > marriage entry of Harriet SAXTON to whom I am referring too. > I was just checking the 1881 on Ancestry before I got any certificates and > someone has put a correction in (well I think it is a correction?) There is > no other marriages or deaths for my Harriet SAXTON between 1861 and 1881. To me, these are two different Harriet BALLs. Your Harriet's father was Charles. Not Henry. I do wish that people wouldn't try and be helpful by entering women's maiden names as alternative or corrections. They may know what they're doing, but it doesn't help other people. It just confuses the issue and makes it easier to go off down the wrong track. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg