I have two middle names in my trees which, whilst not unusual, are unexplained – I have not been able to find a family connection to either, possibly because they derive from pre-Census and civil registration days. (My great grandfather and grandfather spent most of their lives in Nottingham): Potter My great-grandfather gave two of his children the middle name Potter – Sarah P TOWNEND (1842-1896) and William P TOWNEND (1845-1934). William and his brother Joseph Henry emigrated to New Zealand where one of the latter’s children was given the name – Marjorie P TOWNEND (1888- ?). Palethorpe My great-grandfather gave the middle name Palethorpe to his daughter Mary P TOWNEND (1843-?) who married Charles GIBBONS in 1862. Strangely, when I acquired the New Zealand certificate for the second marriage of Joseph Henry TOWNEND in 1900, I found that his mother was wrongly stated to be Elizabeth Townend “Surname or family name at birth – Palethorpe”. She was actually Elizabeth Smith HARVEY (?1813-1884). Any thoughts or information would be welcome John Townend

Lisa, Apprentice records are available to search at Notts Archives, if anyone on here is going there and can look for you. I don't know whether or not the staff at the Archives would do a search for you if you emailed them, but they are closed on Mondays anyway. If you don't have any luck I am probably going there this Friday so could look for you. It's on a card system so quite easy to do. Brian Binns -----Original Message----- From: nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Lukich Sent: 20 January 2014 10:29 To: Nottsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [NTT] Apprentice records Hi everyone, My ancestor William CORTHORN (various spellings), was a tailor in Nottingham in the early 1800's. I am wondering if there would be apprentice records or similar. He married Mary George in 1815 but I think he may have been married earlier. Thanks for any help, Lisa Wilson Lukich Australia. Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Usually I search via folio and page number, when that happens, but you hadn't included those in your original request. Good to see Nivard found it. :) Tammy On 16/01/2014 11:03 AM, Nivard Ovington wrote: > They were obviously hedging their bets <g> > > I will leave it to you to add a correction :-) > > 1871 England Census about Michael Thickett > Name: Michael Thickett > Age: 3 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868 > Relation: Son > Father's Name: Thomas Thickett > Mother's Name: Ann Thickett > Gender: Male > Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England > Civil Parish: Liverpool > Ecclesiastical parish: St Alban > County/Island: Lancashire > Country: England > Registration District: Liverpool > Sub-registration District: St Martin > ED, institution, or vessel: 21 > Household Schedule Number: 128 > Piece: 3758 > Folio: 39 > Page Number: 24 > Household Members: > Name Age > Thomas Thickett 38 > Ann Thickett 38 > Michael Thickett 3 > Anne Thickett 1 > > Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3758; Folio: 39; Page: 24; GSU > roll: 841878. > > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 16/01/2014 18:54, Christine wrote: >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I've been trying to locate an 1871 census for one of my ancestors. I was >> able to find it on Family Search but not ancestry. I have searched and >> searched and family search is only linked in to find my past.. >> >> Here is the transcript of the census if anyone has any ideas on how to >> search for it on Ancestry.. >> >> Name: Michael Hackett >> Event Type: Census >> Event Date: 1871 >> Gender: Male >> Age: 3 >> Relationship to Head of Household: Son >> Birthplace: Liverpool, Lancashire >> Schedule Type: Household >> Registration District: Liverpool >> Sub-District: St Martin >> Parish: Liverpool >> County: Lancashire >> Household Gender Age Birthplace >> Lodger Head Thomas Hackett M 38 Ireland >> Wife Anne Hackett F 38 Ireland >> Son Michael Hackett M 3 Liverpool, Lancashire >> Daughter Anne Hackett F 1 Liverpool, Lancashire >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Christine > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To coin a phrase, you have Bob Hope Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 18/01/2014 20:42, Squirrel Sue wrote: > https://submissions.epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/49199 > ~ Sue ~

https://submissions.epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/49199 ~ Sue ~

I refer to a recent posting as to the location of Scarcliffe Lanes and one reply. Yes, it is a specific location within the village of Scarcliffe (the outskirts) and is in fact nowadays the country road between Hillstown and Langwith which now has the road number as A632. When I write Hillstown - actually I mean that Scarcliffe Lanes really starts at the junction / cross roads with the main Scarcliffe to Clowne road and when I say Langwith - that is correct but when Scarcliffe Lanes approach the area of Langwith the road divides - one going to Upper Langwith and one to Nether (my word) Langwith. This is an open country road (lane) no buildings thereon - if you look at my web site and find the chapter Crashed aircraft - Halifax LK remembered you will see an image of Scarcliffe Grange - this photo was taken circa 1950s by a person standing more or less on the now A632. Also you may find bits and pieces about Scarcliffe on my web site - Scarcliffe Lanes would be even more rural (isolated) in the period of research mentioned. Also mention is made of the name PARSONS - I looked at my notes and can find 3 baptisms 1853,1858 and 1859, 3 marriages 1767,1803 and 1906, also 2 burials Ann PARSNS 29.12.1840 age n/k and Mary Ann PARSONS age 3yrs on 19.02.1841. I found Basil PARSONS born 26.05.1931 starting Scarcliffe village school on the 24 May 1937 - his father was Albert ?? (writing very feint) no 262 in the school admittance register. Possibly too late for your research. Jack Richards www.richardsbygonetimes.co.uk

I just cannot thank JACK RICHARDS enough for his enormous help over the last two days . I have now ,thanks to him knocked down my brick walls. As you can all see , he has spent a lot of time and effort in helping me , he has also gone that extra mile with the PARSONS. I am now going to spent the weekend filling in as I am now sure I have the right Family. Thank you everyone for your replies but a special thanks to JACK XX Margaret NOTTS UK

The census reference for that page is Piece: 3758, Folio: 39, Page: 24 Christine. If you select the 1871 census on Ancestry, select the 'England Census' from the collection parts at the bottom, and then select the 'Show Advanced' option, then you can enter the details of this reference and go directly to the page. Tony Proctor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine" <chrissy36_nj@comcast.net> To: <NOTTSGEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 6:54 PM Subject: [NTT] Need Help Locating a census. > Hi Everyone, > > I've been trying to locate an 1871 census for one of my ancestors. I was > able to find it on Family Search but not ancestry. I have searched and > searched and family search is only linked in to find my past.. > > Here is the transcript of the census if anyone has any ideas on how to > search for it on Ancestry.. > > Name: Michael Hackett > Event Type: Census > Event Date: 1871 > Gender: Male > Age: 3 > Relationship to Head of Household: Son > Birthplace: Liverpool, Lancashire > Schedule Type: Household > Registration District: Liverpool > Sub-District: St Martin > Parish: Liverpool > County: Lancashire > Household Gender Age Birthplace > Lodger Head Thomas Hackett M 38 Ireland > Wife Anne Hackett F 38 Ireland > Son Michael Hackett M 3 Liverpool, Lancashire > Daughter Anne Hackett F 1 Liverpool, Lancashire > > > Thanks, > > Christine > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

They were obviously hedging their bets <g> I will leave it to you to add a correction :-) 1871 England Census about Michael Thickett Name: Michael Thickett Age: 3 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868 Relation: Son Father's Name: Thomas Thickett Mother's Name: Ann Thickett Gender: Male Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Liverpool Ecclesiastical parish: St Alban County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration District: Liverpool Sub-registration District: St Martin ED, institution, or vessel: 21 Household Schedule Number: 128 Piece: 3758 Folio: 39 Page Number: 24 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Thickett 38 Ann Thickett 38 Michael Thickett 3 Anne Thickett 1 Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3758; Folio: 39; Page: 24; GSU roll: 841878. Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 16/01/2014 18:54, Christine wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I've been trying to locate an 1871 census for one of my ancestors. I was > able to find it on Family Search but not ancestry. I have searched and > searched and family search is only linked in to find my past.. > > Here is the transcript of the census if anyone has any ideas on how to > search for it on Ancestry.. > > Name: Michael Hackett > Event Type: Census > Event Date: 1871 > Gender: Male > Age: 3 > Relationship to Head of Household: Son > Birthplace: Liverpool, Lancashire > Schedule Type: Household > Registration District: Liverpool > Sub-District: St Martin > Parish: Liverpool > County: Lancashire > Household Gender Age Birthplace > Lodger Head Thomas Hackett M 38 Ireland > Wife Anne Hackett F 38 Ireland > Son Michael Hackett M 3 Liverpool, Lancashire > Daughter Anne Hackett F 1 Liverpool, Lancashire > > > Thanks, > > Christine

Hi Everyone, I've been trying to locate an 1871 census for one of my ancestors. I was able to find it on Family Search but not ancestry. I have searched and searched and family search is only linked in to find my past.. Here is the transcript of the census if anyone has any ideas on how to search for it on Ancestry.. Name: Michael Hackett Event Type: Census Event Date: 1871 Gender: Male Age: 3 Relationship to Head of Household: Son Birthplace: Liverpool, Lancashire Schedule Type: Household Registration District: Liverpool Sub-District: St Martin Parish: Liverpool County: Lancashire Household Gender Age Birthplace Lodger Head Thomas Hackett M 38 Ireland Wife Anne Hackett F 38 Ireland Son Michael Hackett M 3 Liverpool, Lancashire Daughter Anne Hackett F 1 Liverpool, Lancashire Thanks, Christine

Hi, Scarcliffe and Langwith are two adjoining villages close to the Derbyshire/Nottinghamshire border. The term Scarcliffe lanes, I would have thought would be an area of Scarcliffe. regards Pete in Mansfield On 15 January 2014 12:01, <DayMargaretstan@aol.com> wrote: > I have hit a brick wall > > Could some kind people put me on the right track please , > > I have lived up in Notts only for the last ten years so I am not familiar > with the parishes and districts , Please can someone put me in the right > place for my family. > > I have > > FREDERICK PARSONS (ON 2 CENSUS) B 1859 /60 LANGWITH > > ( WIFE ON 1911 a widow SARAH ANN PARSONS B OUGHTIBRIDGE ( a very good > clue right through for her) GEORGE PARSON living with her says brother > BUT > brother in law age 57 B Langwith > ********************************************* > > Frederick/ Frederic PARSONS B Langwith on the 1901 1991. > > and then I think SCARCLIFF could this be right ? > > I > 1861 census > John Parsons B 1828 Warsop Notts > > Mary Ann wife B 1828 Scarcliffe Lanes Derbyshire > Children > George 1852 Scarcliff lanes > George > Thomas 1855 " > Ann 1859 " > Frederic 1860 " > are these the same Children ? > > 1881 > > same family > John Parsons now 58 B Warsop > Mary Ann 53 B Scarfliff > > George 27 > Thomas 25 > Frederick 21 > > Kind regards > Margaret NOTTS UK > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Margaret, At a quick look on Google maps both Langwith and Oughtibridge appear to be in Yorkshire. Sou you might check your sources. It could jut be an error on a census transcription. You should find their births, marriage, children and deaths on FreeBMD. If you click of the region, it will tell you where it is. And if you look elsewhere on that same page it will list towns within the registration district. You could also try Genuki or Family Search catalogue of placenames. Peter

There's a Langwith on the Notts/Derbys border - Google for Langwith Junction. HTH Andy. At 01:53 16/01/2014, Peter R Booth wrote: >Margaret, > > At a quick look on Google maps both Langwith and Oughtibridge appear to >be in Yorkshire. Sou you might check your sources. It could jut be an error >on a census transcription. ...

I have hit a brick wall Could some kind people put me on the right track please , I have lived up in Notts only for the last ten years so I am not familiar with the parishes and districts , Please can someone put me in the right place for my family. I have FREDERICK PARSONS (ON 2 CENSUS) B 1859 /60 LANGWITH ( WIFE ON 1911 a widow SARAH ANN PARSONS B OUGHTIBRIDGE ( a very good clue right through for her) GEORGE PARSON living with her says brother BUT brother in law age 57 B Langwith ********************************************* Frederick/ Frederic PARSONS B Langwith on the 1901 1991. and then I think SCARCLIFF could this be right ? I 1861 census John Parsons B 1828 Warsop Notts Mary Ann wife B 1828 Scarcliffe Lanes Derbyshire Children George 1852 Scarcliff lanes George Thomas 1855 " Ann 1859 " Frederic 1860 " are these the same Children ? 1881 same family John Parsons now 58 B Warsop Mary Ann 53 B Scarfliff George 27 Thomas 25 Frederick 21 Kind regards Margaret NOTTS UK

Hi Elizabeth, As a diversion, there is a "personality" in Australia called Peter Russell-Clarke (hyphentated). Has a website at http://www.peterrussellclarke.com.au Also has a wikipedia entry, but no detail on family history so don't know if theres's any Notts connection. Len Makin, Trafalgar, Australia Elizabeth Pugh wrote: >The middle name that has had me wondering and unable to figure out ever >since I started my hobby of genealogy is Russell. Not an unusual or >uncommon name I know, but for the life of me I cannot find any reason for it >in my family. >Edward Russell CLARKE was born in 1832 and his parents were Robert CLARKE of >Wisbech, Cambs and Elizabeth ASHWELL from Nottingham.

There has long been a history of second Christian names being derived from famous people, even first names. Just look up how many Horatios were named after Nelson, and Ewart after Gladstone. And as someone has said, the Russell could be after the Whig politician Lord Russell. Interesting that he was instrumental in starting off the reform act which took 3 times to get through Parliament and The Lords - who needless to say opposed it. In Nottinghamshire we had one of the most vociferous opponents to it, namely The Duke of Newcastle. It was he who set up Gladstone as a prospective, and successful candidate for Newark in 1832. In those days voting was not secret, and any tenants of the Duke who hadn't voted for Gladstone were thrown out of their houses. In those days Gladstone was a High Tory, softening his politics in later life. The Duke of Newcastle of course suffered from his opposition the initial Reform Act, because in 1832 a mob burnt down his Ducal Palace which stood on the Nottingham Castle Rock. Brian Binns -----Original Message----- From: nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ruth Burkholder Sent: 14 January 2014 11:13 To: nottsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NTT] Unusual Middle Names The last responder wrote in the NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 12 Message 2: "The middle name doesn't have to be significant. ..... . None of these explain Benjamin Disraeli Micklethwaite and his brother Stafford Northcote Micklethwaite :-)" It was certainly not uncommon to name a child after a political figure that was admired by the parents ... On this side of the ocean, there are many "George Washington [surname]" or "Benjamin Franklin [surname]" boys in US families ... so my guess is that this family was staunchly Conservative in politics, and were 'honouring' the children by giving them names of men that they admired. I would also guess that the boys were born in the late 1800s. Ruth from Canada Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

<< Edward Russell CLARKE was born in 1832 . >> Lord John Russell 1st Earl Russell who served twice as prime minister may be a candidate for the reason for Edward's middle name. Amongst many other liberalising reforms (Factory Act, Public Health Act. Education Act), Lord Russell came to Parliamentary attention for helping to write the 1832 Reform Bill, which increased the number of people eligible to vote. "I have made mistakes, but in all I did my object was the public good." See here: https://www.gov.uk/government/history/past-prime-ministers/lord-john-russell-1st-earl-russell Ruth

The last responder wrote in the NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 12 Message 2: "The middle name doesn't have to be significant. ..... . None of these explain Benjamin Disraeli Micklethwaite and his brother Stafford Northcote Micklethwaite :-)" It was certainly not uncommon to name a child after a political figure that was admired by the parents ... On this side of the ocean, there are many "George Washington [surname]" or "Benjamin Franklin [surname]" boys in US families ... so my guess is that this family was staunchly Conservative in politics, and were 'honouring' the children by giving them names of men that they admired. I would also guess that the boys were born in the late 1800s. Ruth from Canada

The middle name doesn't have to be significant. I have 2 examples in my one-name study of Micklethwaites where Curtis is used as a middle name. My contact from that branch tells me that the name was firstly given to the son by the father who had a friend of that name - the later example was a nephew of the first. I believe that middle names were also sometimes "derived" from godparents, as well as from female lines. None of these explain Benjamin Disraeli Micklethwaite and his brother Stafford Northcote Micklethwaite :-) HTH Andy. At 14:48 13/01/2014, Elizabeth Lee Pugh wrote: >The middle name that has had me wondering and unable to figure out ever >since I started my hobby of genealogy is Russell. Not an unusual or >uncommon name I know, but for the life of me I cannot find any reason for it >in my family. ...

The middle name that has had me wondering and unable to figure out ever since I started my hobby of genealogy is Russell. Not an unusual or uncommon name I know, but for the life of me I cannot find any reason for it in my family. Edward Russell CLARKE was born in 1832 and his parents were Robert CLARKE of Wisbech, Cambs and Elizabeth ASHWELL from Nottingham. Three of his siblings had a "Nottingham family " middle name - ASHWELL and HEARD (twice), and another one's middle name was YORKE which was Robert Clarke's mother's maiden name. Their youngest child was named Clemency after her mother's close friend Clemency BLATHERWICK of Nottingham. Does anyone know of a 'prominent' Nottingham family with the surname RUSSELL during that time period? I cannot find any possible connection with any family from Wisbech. This family was prominent and active within the Baptist church both in Nottingham and Wisbech. Was there a church minister that I have not yet found? Any hints or suggestions would give me another route to investigate. (by the way, Edward Russell Clarke died in 1868 aged 36 in London - from his death notice - "at half past six he was stuck with apoplexy and fell dead from his seat in the counting house") Elizabeth Pugh Whitehorse Yukon (born in Wisbech)