I have the birth of William Smith COULBY as 29 July 1821 Newark St. Mary Magdalene and absolutely no written proof as where I got it years ago when I was first starting on my searches for the GINNEVER family. William married my great-grandaunt Abigail GENEVER in 1846 and it was the name of her daughter, Elizabeth that brought me to the COULBY family. Elizabeth COULBY VERNON’S name was in a letter my father had asking him to visit them on his way to France in 1916. I was able to tie her mother, Abigail, in my great-grandfather—her brother, William. I can find no proof of this birth or date on Ancestry, Find My Past or Family Search. The 1841 census shows a William COUBLY with wife Ann but this couple appears in later censuses. If SKS is going to the archives, I would greatly appreciate knowing if the parish records of St. Mary Magdalene in Newark support my record. I am rueing those early days of genealogy research without knowing what I was doing and just simply making notes with no references. Many thanks, Carol Haycock in Denver, Colorado

Hello from NZ, A few months ago I found the Appleby Magna website where some of my SPENCER family were and came across this so thought I would send it to you. It is an excellent site, the best I've seen yet. John WEBB, son of Thomas Webb EDGE and Elizabeth of Strelley, Co Nottingham bapt. Nov 24 1790 at St Michael & All Angels (Church Register, 1572 - 1906). I lived in Strelley till we married and moved to Linby. And on a tangent, just to let Bob and Janet in Gisborne, and anyone else here in NZ, know that we are going to watch the Nottm Forest v Watford match LIVE on Freeview TV Channel 14 tomorrow morning from 8.40 a.m. It's a wonderful Sports channel and we have watched Forest live a few times this season. Regards Ann Bassford

Hi Friends Amongst her posting Ann wrote "we are going to watch the Nottm Forest v Watford match LIVE on Freeview TV Channel 14 tomorrow morning from 8.40 a.m. It's a wonderful Sports channel and we have watched Forest live a few times this season." Whilst Forest are one of my favourite teams / clubs (watched them many times) for my sins I have supported Man. City for the last 51 years and was present last Saturday when Watford played at City and had "the cheek" nay guile and efffort to be winning 0-2 until the second half. Beware their average League position, they now have some Italian players on loan - I think about 15 yes 15 and some of the players can do just that (play). They are fast "up front" but some "at the back" are slow. Enjoy the game - Regards Jack Richards www.richardsbygonetimes.co.uk

On 30 Jan 2014 12:59, Brian Binns wrote: > And just to point out to Mike Fry, these transcriptions were not American, > but by a Leicester man, who presumably transcribed them as written - with > Co. Nottingham as per the registers. Apologies to him, but in my experience, registers are generally written with Co. of Nottingham, which is more acceptable to most UK-researchers. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg

On 30 Jan 2014 11:02, Ann Bassford wrote: > John WEBB, son of Thomas Webb EDGE and Elizabeth of Strelley, Co > Nottingham bapt. Nov 24 1790 at St Michael & All Angels (Church > Register, 1572 - 1906). One would hope that this is a transcription error! Only Americans seem to use the offensive the 'Co. Nottingham' structure when transcribing records. Shows they have little knowledge of how things work in England & Wales. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg

Let me know if you find any of your Spencers came from Lambley Ann. Tony Proctor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Bassford" <forest.ann@xtra.co.nz> To: "NOTTSGEN-L" <NOTTSGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 9:02 AM Subject: [NTT] Strelley Stray > Hello from NZ, > > A few months ago I found the Appleby Magna website where some of my > SPENCER family were and came across this so thought I would send it to > you. It is an excellent site, the best I've seen yet. > > John WEBB, son of Thomas Webb EDGE and Elizabeth of Strelley, Co > Nottingham bapt. Nov 24 1790 at St Michael & All Angels (Church > Register, 1572 - 1906). > I lived in Strelley till we married and moved to Linby. > > And on a tangent, just to let Bob and Janet in Gisborne, and anyone else > here in NZ, know that we are going to watch the Nottm Forest v Watford > match LIVE on Freeview TV Channel 14 tomorrow morning from 8.40 a.m. > It's a wonderful Sports channel and we have watched Forest live a few > times this season. > > Regards > Ann Bassford > > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ann, Just to correct your posting. You capitalised Webb which is the normal procedure for surnames. This child was John Webb EDGE. One presumes that his mother originally came from this area and she went "home" to give birth. And just to point out to Mike Fry, these transcriptions were not American, but by a Leicester man, who presumably transcribed them as written - with Co. Nottingham as per the registers. The EDGE family of course lived in Strelley Hall and owned most of Strelley and beyond. They had to sell land to Nottingham City for the building of Broxtowe and Strelley estates, and possibly parts of Bilborough too. They owned The Broad Oak inn at Strelley and being religious wouldn't permit it to open on Sundays, much to my father's annoyance!! Brian Binns -----Original Message----- From: nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ann Bassford Sent: 30 January 2014 09:02 To: NOTTSGEN-L Subject: [NTT] Strelley Stray Hello from NZ, A few months ago I found the Appleby Magna website where some of my SPENCER family were and came across this so thought I would send it to you. It is an excellent site, the best I've seen yet. John WEBB, son of Thomas Webb EDGE and Elizabeth of Strelley, Co Nottingham bapt. Nov 24 1790 at St Michael & All Angels (Church Register, 1572 - 1906). I lived in Strelley till we married and moved to Linby. And on a tangent, just to let Bob and Janet in Gisborne, and anyone else here in NZ, know that we are going to watch the Nottm Forest v Watford match LIVE on Freeview TV Channel 14 tomorrow morning from 8.40 a.m. It's a wonderful Sports channel and we have watched Forest live a few times this season. Regards Ann Bassford Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mister Fry, I am an American, and I can truthfully say that I have NEVER used the abbreviation to which you so forcefully object when transcribing place names in England. Perhaps a more constructive use of your time would have been to explain WHY this is so offensive to you, instead of assuming Americans are, as a group, clueless. That, Sir, I do find offensive! Carolyn in Minnesota, USA -----Original Message----- From: nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Fry Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 4:17 AM To: nottsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NTT] Strelley Stray On 30 Jan 2014 11:02, Ann Bassford wrote: > John WEBB, son of Thomas Webb EDGE and Elizabeth of Strelley, Co > Nottingham bapt. Nov 24 1790 at St Michael & All Angels (Church > Register, 1572 - 1906). One would hope that this is a transcription error! Only Americans seem to use the offensive the 'Co. Nottingham' structure when transcribing records. Shows they have little knowledge of how things work in England & Wales. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Hi Brian Thanks for the effort you made looking for those apprenticeships for me. Much appreciated, those type of records are less visible to us in Aus, although the LDS have done some filming in the Notts RO. regards Hilary Thomas From: Brian Binns [mailto:bnbinns@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 29 January 2014 2:43 AM To: NOTTSGEN-L@rootsweb.com Cc: Lisa Lukich; Hilary Thomas Subject: Apprenticeships I said I would look at the apprenticeship cards at Notts Archives for Lisa, a poster to this forum from Australia. I then got an email directly for a similar enquiry. But I thought that I would post the results of both on the forum too. Lisa asked about William CORTHORN, who was a Tailor in Nottingham in the early 1800s, but there isn't an apprenticeship record for him. I also checked the Burgess records and couldn't find his name there either. For those that don't know, Burgesses were, at one time, the only people allowed to vote and comprised those who were appointed (gentry, clergy etc), those who were sons of Burgesses, and those who qualified by virtue of being a time-served tradesman. I did find others named CORTHEN, CAWTHORNE, and CORTHORN, including a few Williams, but these were earlier and were FWKs and sinkermakers. I was also asked by Hilary to look for John, Joseph and Jeremiah HOLLAND, possibly stonemasons, all from the first half of the 19th century but again could not find anyone of that name. ironically I found a lot of apprentice Tailors with the surname HOLLAND! Glad to help, but sadly no results. Brian BInns

Typo there. That should have course read Frameworker's Museum not farmworkers!!! Brian Binns -----Original Message----- From: nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Debbie Lang Sent: 29 January 2014 02:18 To: Nottingham History Society Subject: [NTT] Sinkermaker Thank you everyone for the replies. How interesting. Now I will have to go search & read up on sinkermaker. I was happy that I knew what a FWK was and a "bobbin". Took me about 15 websites before I got a really good one on the wooden bobbin used for lace making. Debbie > From: bnbinns@gmail.com > To: debbie89084@hotmail.com; nottsgen-l@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [NTT] Occupation ? > Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 16:45:58 +0000 > > A sinker was an integral part of a stocking frame and a man who made > them was a sinkermaker. > > See these websites for some very good reading, and if you have a > chance, visit the Farmworker's Museum in Ruddington. > > Brian Binns > > > http://www.nottsheritagegateway.org.uk/people/frameworkknitters.htm > > http://www.victorianweb.org/technology/inventors/lee.html > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Debbie Lang > Sent: 28 January 2014 16:27 > To: Nottingham History Society > Subject: [NTT] Occupation ? > > Hey Brian, > What is a sinkermaker? > Thank youDebbie > > > From: bnbinns@gmail.com > > To: NOTTSGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 15:43:00 +0000 > > CC: organic22@bigpond.com > > Subject: [NTT] Apprenticeships > > > > I said I would look at the apprenticeship cards at Notts Archives > > for Lisa, a poster to this forum from Australia. I then got an email > > directly for a similar enquiry. But I thought that I would post the > > results of both on the forum too. > > > > > > > > Lisa asked about William CORTHORN, who was a Tailor in Nottingham in > > the early 1800s, but there isn't an apprenticeship record for him. I > > also checked the Burgess records and couldn't find his name there > > either. For those that don't know, Burgesses were, at one time, the > > only people allowed to vote and comprised those who were appointed > > (gentry, clergy etc), those who were sons of Burgesses, and those > > who qualified by virtue of being a time-served tradesman. > > > > I did find others named CORTHEN, CAWTHORNE, and CORTHORN, including > > a few Williams, but these were earlier and were FWKs and sinkermakers. > > > > > > > > I was also asked by Hilary to look for John, Joseph and Jeremiah > > HOLLAND, possibly stonemasons, all from the first half of the 19th > > century but again could not find anyone of that name. ironically I > > found a lot of apprentice Tailors with the surname HOLLAND! > > > > > > > > Glad to help, but sadly no results. > > > > > > > > Brian BInns > > > > > > > > Notts Surname List > > > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 28 Jan 2014 18:26, Debbie Lang wrote: > What is a sinkermaker? I think the modern-day equivalent would be 'Shaft-sinker'. One that digs mine shafts. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg

Thank you everyone for the replies. How interesting. Now I will have to go search & read up on sinkermaker. I was happy that I knew what a FWK was and a "bobbin". Took me about 15 websites before I got a really good one on the wooden bobbin used for lace making. Debbie > From: bnbinns@gmail.com > To: debbie89084@hotmail.com; nottsgen-l@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [NTT] Occupation ? > Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 16:45:58 +0000 > > A sinker was an integral part of a stocking frame and a man who made them > was a sinkermaker. > > See these websites for some very good reading, and if you have a chance, > visit the Farmworker's Museum in Ruddington. > > Brian Binns > > > http://www.nottsheritagegateway.org.uk/people/frameworkknitters.htm > > http://www.victorianweb.org/technology/inventors/lee.html > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Debbie Lang > Sent: 28 January 2014 16:27 > To: Nottingham History Society > Subject: [NTT] Occupation ? > > Hey Brian, > What is a sinkermaker? > Thank youDebbie > > > From: bnbinns@gmail.com > > To: NOTTSGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 15:43:00 +0000 > > CC: organic22@bigpond.com > > Subject: [NTT] Apprenticeships > > > > I said I would look at the apprenticeship cards at Notts Archives for > > Lisa, a poster to this forum from Australia. I then got an email > > directly for a similar enquiry. But I thought that I would post the > > results of both on the forum too. > > > > > > > > Lisa asked about William CORTHORN, who was a Tailor in Nottingham in > > the early 1800s, but there isn't an apprenticeship record for him. I > > also checked the Burgess records and couldn't find his name there > > either. For those that don't know, Burgesses were, at one time, the > > only people allowed to vote and comprised those who were appointed > > (gentry, clergy etc), those who were sons of Burgesses, and those who > > qualified by virtue of being a time-served tradesman. > > > > I did find others named CORTHEN, CAWTHORNE, and CORTHORN, including a > > few Williams, but these were earlier and were FWKs and sinkermakers. > > > > > > > > I was also asked by Hilary to look for John, Joseph and Jeremiah > > HOLLAND, possibly stonemasons, all from the first half of the 19th > > century but again could not find anyone of that name. ironically I > > found a lot of apprentice Tailors with the surname HOLLAND! > > > > > > > > Glad to help, but sadly no results. > > > > > > > > Brian BInns > > > > > > > > Notts Surname List > > > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

A sinker was an integral part of a stocking frame and a man who made them was a sinkermaker. See these websites for some very good reading, and if you have a chance, visit the Farmworker's Museum in Ruddington. Brian Binns http://www.nottsheritagegateway.org.uk/people/frameworkknitters.htm http://www.victorianweb.org/technology/inventors/lee.html -----Original Message----- From: nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Debbie Lang Sent: 28 January 2014 16:27 To: Nottingham History Society Subject: [NTT] Occupation ? Hey Brian, What is a sinkermaker? Thank youDebbie > From: bnbinns@gmail.com > To: NOTTSGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 15:43:00 +0000 > CC: organic22@bigpond.com > Subject: [NTT] Apprenticeships > > I said I would look at the apprenticeship cards at Notts Archives for > Lisa, a poster to this forum from Australia. I then got an email > directly for a similar enquiry. But I thought that I would post the > results of both on the forum too. > > > > Lisa asked about William CORTHORN, who was a Tailor in Nottingham in > the early 1800s, but there isn't an apprenticeship record for him. I > also checked the Burgess records and couldn't find his name there > either. For those that don't know, Burgesses were, at one time, the > only people allowed to vote and comprised those who were appointed > (gentry, clergy etc), those who were sons of Burgesses, and those who > qualified by virtue of being a time-served tradesman. > > I did find others named CORTHEN, CAWTHORNE, and CORTHORN, including a > few Williams, but these were earlier and were FWKs and sinkermakers. > > > > I was also asked by Hilary to look for John, Joseph and Jeremiah > HOLLAND, possibly stonemasons, all from the first half of the 19th > century but again could not find anyone of that name. ironically I > found a lot of apprentice Tailors with the surname HOLLAND! > > > > Glad to help, but sadly no results. > > > > Brian BInns > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I said I would look at the apprenticeship cards at Notts Archives for Lisa, a poster to this forum from Australia. I then got an email directly for a similar enquiry. But I thought that I would post the results of both on the forum too. Lisa asked about William CORTHORN, who was a Tailor in Nottingham in the early 1800s, but there isn't an apprenticeship record for him. I also checked the Burgess records and couldn't find his name there either. For those that don't know, Burgesses were, at one time, the only people allowed to vote and comprised those who were appointed (gentry, clergy etc), those who were sons of Burgesses, and those who qualified by virtue of being a time-served tradesman. I did find others named CORTHEN, CAWTHORNE, and CORTHORN, including a few Williams, but these were earlier and were FWKs and sinkermakers. I was also asked by Hilary to look for John, Joseph and Jeremiah HOLLAND, possibly stonemasons, all from the first half of the 19th century but again could not find anyone of that name. ironically I found a lot of apprentice Tailors with the surname HOLLAND! Glad to help, but sadly no results. Brian BInns

Sinker Maker Made lead weights used with hosiery knitting machines, (Nottingham Area taken from http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/s.html Margaret NOTTS UK

Hey Brian, What is a sinkermaker? Thank youDebbie > From: bnbinns@gmail.com > To: NOTTSGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 15:43:00 +0000 > CC: organic22@bigpond.com > Subject: [NTT] Apprenticeships > > I said I would look at the apprenticeship cards at Notts Archives for Lisa, > a poster to this forum from Australia. I then got an email directly for a > similar enquiry. But I thought that I would post the results of both on the > forum too. > > > > Lisa asked about William CORTHORN, who was a Tailor in Nottingham in the > early 1800s, but there isn't an apprenticeship record for him. I also > checked the Burgess records and couldn't find his name there either. For > those that don't know, Burgesses were, at one time, the only people allowed > to vote and comprised those who were appointed (gentry, clergy etc), those > who were sons of Burgesses, and those who qualified by virtue of being a > time-served tradesman. > > I did find others named CORTHEN, CAWTHORNE, and CORTHORN, including a few > Williams, but these were earlier and were FWKs and sinkermakers. > > > > I was also asked by Hilary to look for John, Joseph and Jeremiah HOLLAND, > possibly stonemasons, all from the first half of the 19th century but again > could not find anyone of that name. ironically I found a lot of apprentice > Tailors with the surname HOLLAND! > > > > Glad to help, but sadly no results. > > > > Brian BInns > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Peter I hadn't heard of this and did a quick search but only two entries came up in Ashton both for Townsend although the inclusion of the s is a frequent error. The earlier marriage is a possibility but there is no subsequent birth. I will try a few more refinements. Cheers John -----Original Message----- From: Peter R Booth Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 12:56 AM To: John Townend Subject: Re: [NTT] unusual middle names John, Have you tried Lancashire Online Parish Clerk? http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html Just a thought. Peter

Hi everyone, My ancestor William CORTHORN (various spellings), was a tailor in Nottingham in the early 1800's. I am wondering if there would be apprentice records or similar. He married Mary George in 1815 but I think he may have been married earlier. Thanks for any help, Lisa Wilson Lukich Australia.

Hello, Carolyn I haven't managed to get back that far but I think it unlikely. My g/grandfather Joseph TOWNEND was stated in various census entries to have been born in Ashton-under-Lyne (Lancashire) and on his marriage certificate in Nottingham in 1840 his father is stated to have been John TOWNEND a glazier (deceased). Despite enquiries posted on the A-U-L surname list and following up suggestions made in reply, I have been unable to get any further back. It is a more common name in Yorkshire than in Notts. Thanks for your interest and good luck with your researches John -----Original Message----- From: Charles Sidebottom Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 3:32 PM To: 'John Townend' Subject: RE: [NTT] unusual middle names Hi, John, This is slightly off topic for the information you were requesting, but I have fixated on the TOWNEND name. Might you have an Ellen Townend in your tree? I have an Ellen Townend who married William PADLY (Padley) in Greasley St. Mary's Church on 10 Dec 1728. If you also have Ellen, I would be interested in finding who her parents were, if you know. Thanks, Carolyn in frigid Minnesota, USA -----Original Message----- From: nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Townend Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 5:50 AM To: nottsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NTT] unusual middle names I have two middle names in my trees which, whilst not unusual, are unexplained - I have not been able to find a family connection to either, possibly because they derive from pre-Census and civil registration days. (My great grandfather and grandfather spent most of their lives in Nottingham): Potter My great-grandfather gave two of his children the middle name Potter - Sarah P TOWNEND (1842-1896) and William P TOWNEND (1845-1934). William and his brother Joseph Henry emigrated to New Zealand where one of the latter's children was given the name - Marjorie P TOWNEND (1888- ?). Palethorpe My great-grandfather gave the middle name Palethorpe to his daughter Mary P TOWNEND (1843-?) who married Charles GIBBONS in 1862. Strangely, when I acquired the New Zealand certificate for the second marriage of Joseph Henry TOWNEND in 1900, I found that his mother was wrongly stated to be Elizabeth Townend "Surname or family name at birth - Palethorpe". She was actually Elizabeth Smith HARVEY (?1813-1884). Any thoughts or information would be welcome John Townend Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message