November 28th 1896 - July 1st 1930 WHITE William William Cartledge Wilson WHITEHALL Joseph WHITEHEAD Male Child 1911 Alfred Arthur aged 3 months Arthur aged 4 weeks Eliza Elsie Harriett Harry James Edward John William aged 56 years John William aged 6 years Kewis/Lewis Levi Louisa Mabel Margaret Irene Reuben Robert Sarah Sarah Ann Sidney John William William Francis WHITEHOUSE Alfred Edward Edmunds John WHITING William WHITLAM Florence Gray best wishes Barbara

Hi, Ok, never thought of that. The chap I am looking for is Walter James Brown born in Stockton on Tees in 1884. His last known address was 122 Mills Lane Nottingham when he married Sarah Ann Oakland on 7th July 1906. Sarah Ann married again in January 1918, she was a widow with a young son, also Walter aged 11 and at that time she was living in Merchant Street, Nottingham. What happened to Walter snr has been a brick wall now for so long it would be a great Christmas if we could knock it down. Thanks Shirley -------Original Message------- From: Nivard Ovington Date: 13/12/2008 21:00:09 To: shirley smith; NOTTSGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NTT] Soldier who died in ww1 Hi Shirley Unless there are reasons you do not wish to, why not let us know the details And perhaps others might have resources to hand which may help you Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > Thanks, > I will try the sites and also Google it to see if I can find my chap. > > Merry Christmas > Shirley

Hi Shirley Unless there are reasons you do not wish to, why not let us know the details and perhaps others might have resources to hand which may help you Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > Thanks, > I will try the sites and also Google it to see if I can find my chap. > > Merry Christmas > Shirley

Thanks, I will try the sites and also Google it to see if I can find my chap. Merry Christmas Shirley -------Original Message------- From: Nivard Ovington Date: 13/12/2008 13:11:53 To: shirley smith; NOTTSGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NTT] Soldier who died in ww1 Hi Shirley The one I know of is listed on the CWGC with no indication of being Executed, I do not know if his death is registered with the War casualties But would expect it would be, casualties death certs are not very Informative, normally giving killed in action, died of wounds or similar If you Google for Shot at Dawn there are many sites on the subject, some List names Such as this one http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dccfarr/sad.htm The following is the best site I know on WW1 and may help you in your search http://www.1914-1918.net/ Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > Hi List, > If a soldier was shot in WW1 as a coward or a deserter, are there any > records or would he just be included in the war dead? > > Thanks > Shirley

Hi Barbara Are you still wanting to receive postcards from around the World? Have you filled your wall? We don't live in a very picturesque area but can have another look for postcards if you still want some. Regards Heather barbara wrote: > <snip> and I thought how nice it would be to have a wall with postcards showing me where you all live eg your village, town, city state, county whatever. So if you would like to - send me an e-mail and I will send you my address. Don't forget to put your e-mail address on the card then I can let you know it has arrived. > > best wishes > Barbara >

Hi Shirley The one I know of is listed on the CWGC with no indication of being executed, I do not know if his death is registered with the War casualties but would expect it would be, casualties death certs are not very informative, normally giving killed in action, died of wounds or similar If you google for Shot at Dawn there are many sites on the subject, some list names Such as this one http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dccfarr/sad.htm The following is the best site I know on WW1 and may help you in your search http://www.1914-1918.net/ Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > Hi List, > If a soldier was shot in WW1 as a coward or a deserter, are there any > records or would he just be included in the war dead? > > Thanks > Shirley

Date sent: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:42:54 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) > Hi List, > If a soldier was shot in WW1 as a coward or a deserter, are there any > records or would he just be included in the war dead? > > Thanks > Shirley > There have been umpteen books devoted to this topic and there are many, many websites. Try Googling on "Shot for desertion or cowardice" and you will find them. A good one is http://firstworldwar.cloudworth.com/cowards-executed- war.php Google should ALWAYS be your first port of call since it is a vast worldwide reference library and can usually supply the answer to just about any question. -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi List, If a soldier was shot in WW1 as a coward or a deserter, are there any records or would he just be included in the war dead? Thanks Shirley

My apologies to the list: I just fired off a message re Ancestry UK and noticed too late that I hadn't changed the subject line. Mea culpa! Blanche Charles Wellington New Zealand

I agree with comments of dissatisfaction with the new Ancestry layout. I have always found it easier to access the 1841 - 1891 Census via TNA - takes you straight to the search page for whichever year you select: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/census/ (You have to scroll down the page for the list). For 1901 you have to select another census and use the breadcrumb menu to select "UK Census Collection" and then scroll down the page for the list. (The link from the above page for 1901 otherwise takes you to 1901censusonline.com: pay-to-view). To get back to the old search, there is a linked-message on the right, just below the log-in box: "Switch back to old search experience". If people use it often enough they might get the message!! UK BMD records are here: http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/rectype/vital/freebmd/bmd.aspx UK migration: http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/rectype/default.aspx?rt=40 UK Military: http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/rectype/default.aspx?rt=39 (On the last two pages, make sure to check the box "Only show results from the UK & Ireland"). Good luck!! Blanche Charles Wellington New Zealand New Zealand Genealogy Online Links http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~blanchec/NewZealandOnlineData_index.htm ------------------------------------------------- David Hallam, "beeston-notts" <david@beeston-notts.co.uk> wrote: Am I the only one who finds the new ancestry.co.uk Home page a complete disaster ? As one who had very limited interest in US content (and doesn't have a subscription) I was perplexed to be presented with a collection of default links from My Quick Links that are almost exclusively to US resources. OK, I can modify it but have to scramble around to find the URLs ! Not simply choose from various options. Not surprisingly, I wanted a link to the UK BMD Collection. Luckily, I happened to have one in my browser favourites or I would be still looking for the URL. Still haven't found one for the UK Military Collection or UK Emigration Collection.

Im not sure this is a topic for this list. Lets get back to talking about Notts hugh listowner papatoetoe, new zealand http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw 2008/12/11 Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> > Hi David > > I could not agree more, what a waste of time on their part > > The old saying "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" springs to mind > > Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > > > > Am I the only one who finds the new ancestry.co.uk Home page a complete > > disaster ? > > > > As one who had very limited interest in US content (and doesn't have a > > subscription) I was perplexed to be presented with a collection of > default > > links from My Quick Links that are almost exclusively to US resources. > > OK, I can modify it but have to scramble around to find the URLs ! Not > > simply choose from various options. Not surprisingly, I wanted a link to > > the UK BMD Collection. Luckily, I happened to have one in my browser > > favourites or I would be still looking for the URL. Still haven't found > > one for the UK Military Collection or UK Emigration Collection. > > > > Ancestry claims it is easier to access what you need. AS all I ever > needed > > was previously on the Home page and now it isn't, I have found it far > more > > difficult. > > > > And its virtually impossible to contact them to make a point. > > > > Is it just me ? > > > > David Hallam > > david@beeston-notts.co.uk > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --

Hugh, I must disagree with you. As many of us use Ancestry, (and it is in fact owned by Rootsweb), I think that to discuss and exchange our ways of using what is a prime tool for lots of us is relevant. Brian Binns -----Original Message----- From: nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of hugh Sent: 10 December 2008 22:19 To: NOTTSGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NTT] ancestry Im not sure this is a topic for this list. Lets get back to talking about Notts hugh listowner papatoetoe, new zealand http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw 2008/12/11 Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> > Hi David > > I could not agree more, what a waste of time on their part > > The old saying "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" springs to mind > > Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > > > > Am I the only one who finds the new ancestry.co.uk Home page a complete > > disaster ? > > > > As one who had very limited interest in US content (and doesn't have a > > subscription) I was perplexed to be presented with a collection of > default > > links from My Quick Links that are almost exclusively to US resources. > > OK, I can modify it but have to scramble around to find the URLs ! Not > > simply choose from various options. Not surprisingly, I wanted a link to > > the UK BMD Collection. Luckily, I happened to have one in my browser > > favourites or I would be still looking for the URL. Still haven't found > > one for the UK Military Collection or UK Emigration Collection. > > > > Ancestry claims it is easier to access what you need. AS all I ever > needed > > was previously on the Home page and now it isn't, I have found it far > more > > difficult. > > > > And its virtually impossible to contact them to make a point. > > > > Is it just me ? > > > > David Hallam > > david@beeston-notts.co.uk > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Oh how I agree with you. I have just been in a 3 day query with them over my account - I don't exist - or didn't until today. Why is it that every time we see "we have made it easier for you" it always turns out to take three times as long? All they seem to be interested in doing is seeing how much data they can amass (which is not a bad thing), but they seem to forget that a lot of people are only amateurs on the computer. So it is not just you Jenni Woolard Australia> From: david@beeston-notts.co.uk> To: NOTTSGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:37:50 +0000> Subject: [NTT] ancestry> > Am I the only one who finds the new ancestry.co.uk Home page a complete disaster ?> > As one who had very limited interest in US content (and doesn't have a subscription) I was perplexed to be presented with a collection of default links from My Quick Links that are almost exclusively to US resources. OK, I can modify it but have to scramble around to find the URLs ! Not simply choose from various options. Not surprisingly, I wanted a link to the UK BMD Collection. Luckily, I happened to have one in my browser favourites or I would be still looking for the URL. Still haven't found one for the UK Military Collection or UK Emigration Collection.> > Ancestry claims it is easier to access what you need. AS all I ever needed was previously on the Home page and now it isn't, I have found it far more difficult.> > And its virtually impossible to contact them to make a point.> > Is it just me ?> > David Hallam> david@beeston-notts.co.uk > > > > > Notts Surname List> > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ It's simple! Sell your car for just $40 at CarPoint.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai%5F859641&_t=762955845&_r=tig_OCT07&_m=EXT

Hi David I could not agree more, what a waste of time on their part The old saying "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" springs to mind Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > Am I the only one who finds the new ancestry.co.uk Home page a complete > disaster ? > > As one who had very limited interest in US content (and doesn't have a > subscription) I was perplexed to be presented with a collection of default > links from My Quick Links that are almost exclusively to US resources. > OK, I can modify it but have to scramble around to find the URLs ! Not > simply choose from various options. Not surprisingly, I wanted a link to > the UK BMD Collection. Luckily, I happened to have one in my browser > favourites or I would be still looking for the URL. Still haven't found > one for the UK Military Collection or UK Emigration Collection. > > Ancestry claims it is easier to access what you need. AS all I ever needed > was previously on the Home page and now it isn't, I have found it far more > difficult. > > And its virtually impossible to contact them to make a point. > > Is it just me ? > > David Hallam > david@beeston-notts.co.uk

Hi Brian This is a different situation They have been pushing their new search (which is equally as bad as the new home page) for some time, I have mailed to tell them my feelings for the same length of time This new home page has only happened today If this continues I can only see many people leaving them Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > David, > > You can get out of the "new" format and go back to the familiar, old, and > in > my opinion, better format. Trouble is that I've already done it weeks ago > so > can't tell you how to do it as I now only access Ancestry in the previous > format. > Check out the home page and I'm sure that there is something there that > enables you to go back to the old format. > > Brian Binns

David, You can get out of the "new" format and go back to the familiar, old, and in my opinion, better format. Trouble is that I've already done it weeks ago so can't tell you how to do it as I now only access Ancestry in the previous format. Check out the home page and I'm sure that there is something there that enables you to go back to the old format. Brian Binns -----Original Message----- From: nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of beeston-notts Sent: 10 December 2008 21:03 To: NOTTSGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NTT] ancestry And - if you try accessing through ancestry.com it gets worse ! You do get another panel headed "ancestry.co.uk Quick Links" which has what appears to be an Australian flag as an icon (fair enough, I can live with that !) but all the links lead to US resources (or worldwide data). One of its (fixed)links is even "US Census Records". Its supposed to be for UK users so why isn't it "UK Census Records" ! David Hallam david@beeston-notts.co.uk www.beeston-notts.co.uk > Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

And - if you try accessing through ancestry.com it gets worse ! You do get another panel headed "ancestry.co.uk Quick Links" which has what appears to be an Australian flag as an icon (fair enough, I can live with that !) but all the links lead to US resources (or worldwide data). One of its (fixed)links is even "US Census Records". Its supposed to be for UK users so why isn't it "UK Census Records" ! David Hallam david@beeston-notts.co.uk www.beeston-notts.co.uk >

Am I the only one who finds the new ancestry.co.uk Home page a complete disaster ? As one who had very limited interest in US content (and doesn't have a subscription) I was perplexed to be presented with a collection of default links from My Quick Links that are almost exclusively to US resources. OK, I can modify it but have to scramble around to find the URLs ! Not simply choose from various options. Not surprisingly, I wanted a link to the UK BMD Collection. Luckily, I happened to have one in my browser favourites or I would be still looking for the URL. Still haven't found one for the UK Military Collection or UK Emigration Collection. Ancestry claims it is easier to access what you need. AS all I ever needed was previously on the Home page and now it isn't, I have found it far more difficult. And its virtually impossible to contact them to make a point. Is it just me ? David Hallam david@beeston-notts.co.uk

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A note of thanks to all who sent information - My gt grandfather had a small holding from which he supplied hi green grocery shop in Thoresby Rd regards Dianne Auckland New Zealand researching VICKERS