looking for any Swain family in the kirkby in ashfield area ( poss kirkby woodhouse) around these dates please Ive hit a brickwall with this . ANY info no matter how small would be welcone GEORGE SWAIN married GRACE BALL in south normanton DEC 25TH 1821 2 known chidren PATIENCE baptised south normanton march 1st 1823 MARY baptised south normanton aug 3rd 1824 Grace i presume dies as george later married HANNAH NORWOOD at south normanton 30th aug 1828 and they have more children so in 1824 Grace was alive but dead by 1828 , but i cant find her death in south normanton ? anyone got her on thier tree in the kirkby in ashfield area ??? the family possibly went to into kirkby in ashfield , but i have no kirkby info to check on this ANY help much appreciated, would love to know what happened to grace thanks maureen x

Hi Everyone Wasn't there one which went something like: We three kings of Orient are One in a taxi, one in a car One on a scooter papping his hooter, Following yonder star Regards John Poxon <snip>

Found a fun site with a lot of these songs: www.btinternet.com/~donovans/ged/xmasnonsense.htm As a kid we sang We three spivs of Leicester Square etc. -----Original Message----- From: nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Poxon Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 3:40 AM To: 'Jo Christodoulides'; 'Notts Genealogy Chat' Subject: [NTT] Christmas Songs Hi Everyone Wasn't there one which went something like: We three kings of Orient are One in a taxi, one in a car One on a scooter papping his hooter, Following yonder star Regards John Poxon <snip> Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jenni Your apology is fully accepted with thanks and absolutely no hard feelings, and I trust this matter will now be allowed to die the death it deserves. I thank those who made some kind posts on my behalf and who pointed out that I have helped many people in the past, both on this and other lists. My only proviso has ever been that I expect those asking for help to demonstrate that they have first made every effort to find for themselves the answer to their query, using the resources available. I really don't see how anyone can say that this is unreasonable. As far as I am concerned, the matter is closed and, hopefully, we can all look forward to Christmas and the renewal of our genealogical researches in 2009 with good spirit. My compliments of the season to everyone. -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

I hole heartily agree with David. Peggy & Max Henson Nyah West Victoria Australia Nice part about living in a small town, When you don't know what you're doing, someone else always dose! ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Litchfield" <david.litchfield@gmail.com> To: "Trevor Morris" <trev@ligularia.demon.co.uk> Cc: <NOTTSGEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [NTT] Recent Acrimonious Postings > Not wishing to drag out this tiresome correspondence I feel compelled to > point out that Roy has not generated any arguments at all. The arguments > have been generated by other people about Roy. > > Perhaps we need a separate list just for grown-ups? > > Season's Greetings to All > > David Litchfield > > > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:52 PM, Trevor Morris > <trev@ligularia.demon.co.uk>wrote: > >> As a largely silent reader of this extremely interesting list may I say >> that >> the number of times controversy surrounds Roy suggests to me that, while >> I >> am not in any way trying to excuse extreme responses to his e-mails, he >> would be well advised to read his own e-mails very carefully before he >> Posts >> them. He does not have a monopoly of wisdom, experience or knowledge and >> a >> little sensitivity might reduce the time the rest of us spend reading the >> about the arguments that he generates. >> Trev >> >> >> Notts Surname List >> >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html<http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/notts.html> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > Which? Campaigns > http://www.weownthebanks.co.uk/ > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

We used to sing: While shepherds washed their socks by night, All watching ITV, The angel of the lord came down And switched to BBC!! and, of course, there is the perenial: Jingle Bells, Batman smells, Robin laid an egg.... (can't remember the rest!!) Oh, these bring back memories!!! Thanks for the trip down memory lane! Merry Christmas, Happy Solstice and a fun filled festive season to all! Jo in cloudy Cyprus

To listers, My sincere apologies for my comments regarding Roy Stockdill in my recent email. I realise that I have offended many people, and especially Roy, and my comments were unwarranted. Please accept my apologies and I assure that it will not happen again. Jenni Woolard _________________________________________________________________ Time for change? Find your ideal job with SEEK. http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau%2F%3Ftracking%3Dsk%3Atl%3Ask%3Anine%3A0%3Ahottag%3Achange&_t=757263783&_r=SEEK_tagline&_m=EXT

Dear Jennifer I have just responded to an email from "Maggie in Wigan"and wrongly referred to you as Pauline. Please accept my sincerest apologies for the error, no harm intended. Kindest regards Jack Richards www.richardsbygonetimes.co.uk

Dear Maggie (in Wigan) Thank you for your response to my email(s). It is pleasing that you do not require an apology and are capable of asking for one yourelf. Pauline has tendered an apology and she should be applauded for so doing. I appreciate that apology and the swiftness in her offering the same. Depending on whether or not, Hugh the list owner comments, as far as I am concerned that matter should now be closed. As to my comments relating "to the streets of Manchester and crime etc." I have no intention of offering you nor anyone else an apology relating to my comments. It is a separate topic but I quoted the truth from first hand experience and Yes, I do have experience of Wigan and Leigh, as well as most other parts of the City. Why is speaking the truth about my experiences and crime "might be considered offensive". I respectfully suggest if you wish to prolong this discussion, you do so "off list". Kindest regards Jack Richards www.richardsbygonetimes.co.uk

To Hugh E-mails are not very nice lately, help! To List Have been with the list for years and overtime realise that things can be taken wrong when written in an e-mail. Roy is a bit blunt, but is very helpful too pointing out ways to research and has helped many a member of this list. Tis the season to be Jolly and move on. Doreen

I don't need an apology, Jack, nor do I want one. I'm also quite capable of asking for one myself. And Manchester isn't all that bad either. To suggest that its streets are full of "the sharp end of crime, hardened criminals" and " all sorts of people from beggars, murderers" might be considered offensive and deserving of an apology, though. Maggie

Hear, Hear Happy Christmas JK Still looking for the baptism of John COOPER who married (first) Hannah SEARSON on 2 Jan 1775 in Headon, he was not baptised in the parish but was buried there on 20 Jun 1812. On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:40 PM, David Litchfield <david.litchfield@gmail.com> wrote: > > Perhaps we need a separate list just for grown-ups? > > Season's Greetings to All > > David Litchfield >

Not wishing to drag out this tiresome correspondence I feel compelled to point out that Roy has not generated any arguments at all. The arguments have been generated by other people about Roy. Perhaps we need a separate list just for grown-ups? Season's Greetings to All David Litchfield On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:52 PM, Trevor Morris <trev@ligularia.demon.co.uk>wrote: > As a largely silent reader of this extremely interesting list may I say > that > the number of times controversy surrounds Roy suggests to me that, while I > am not in any way trying to excuse extreme responses to his e-mails, he > would be well advised to read his own e-mails very carefully before he > Posts > them. He does not have a monopoly of wisdom, experience or knowledge and a > little sensitivity might reduce the time the rest of us spend reading the > about the arguments that he generates. > Trev > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html<http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/notts.html> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Which? Campaigns http://www.weownthebanks.co.uk/

Hi David There is a little button top right of most keyboards, its called the delete button Its quite good at removing anything offensive, I use it quite often :-) Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) >I do not want mail containing foul language in my inbox. > > Does anyone know whether this list has a facility to report offensive > postings? > > Regards > > David Litchfield

As a largely silent reader of this extremely interesting list may I say that the number of times controversy surrounds Roy suggests to me that, while I am not in any way trying to excuse extreme responses to his e-mails, he would be well advised to read his own e-mails very carefully before he Posts them. He does not have a monopoly of wisdom, experience or knowledge and a little sensitivity might reduce the time the rest of us spend reading the about the arguments that he generates. Trev

Right on Alan. Talk about a self opionated wanka - get your head into the real world Roy and stop making everyone, who may not have the same where-with-all as you, feel like second class citizens or family historians. Your little saying at the end of your epistles says it all as far as I am concerned. You just l o v e to be talked about. Jenni in Oz> From: alanmgagg@f2s.com> To: roy.stockdill@btinternet.com; NOTTSGEN@rootsweb.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:08:41 +0000> Subject: Re: [NTT] Charles Henry Gagg info request> > I have bought over 70 bmd's over the years and have helped many people> without any thought of cost and time.> I also have what is probably one of the largest personal family history> websites on the net with over 100 pages of info that is available to anyone> that is connected in anyway to the Gagg families.> > I used to have an ancestry subscription , but as I had completed my own> research it became uneconomical to keep it up just for the odd query from> other parts of the Gagg family.> > This query was from the young daughters of a part of the Gagg family I had> not heard of from before and I have passed on what info I had which is> extensive on the Misterton family.> But not on their part of that family , which is why I asked for any help.> > Fortunately not everyone is an ungracious un generous person like you.> (I am being polite here) like you, and I have had a response from Peter> Gainsborough that helped enormously and has been passed on to the Gagg> family in question.> > -----Original Message-----> From: nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com]> On Behalf Of Roy Stockdill> Sent: 18 December 2008 21:01> To: NOTTSGEN@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [NTT] Charles Henry Gagg info request> > From: "Alan M Gagg" <alanmgagg@f2s.com>> > > I am looking for any info on Charles Henry Gagg born in sept> > quarter1883,register district gainsborough, we know he married> > Charlotte Ann Wass in 1905 and one of their children was Walter Gagg> > born in 1918.> > > > Any info on whom his parents/ siblings were would be most appreciated. >> > There is a very simple solution to this query. Why don't you buy the birth > certificate, since you apparently know when and where he was born? > This will give you the names of both his parents instantly, or is that too > obvious? This will cost you £7.00, but sometimes family history does cost > money, just like any other hobby!> > You could also look at the 1891 and 1901 censuses. He is very easily > found in 1891 at Misterton, Lincolonshire, along with his mother, who was > a widow, and three siblings. If you can't afford the subscription, then > Ancestry and Findmypast are available free at many public libraries. I will > give you a clue - the mother's name was Betsy and she was a > washerwoman, aged 28. Then try looking at marriages at Gainsborough > at FreeBMD and find a Betsy or Elizabeth who married a Gagg.> > I don't see the problem apart from the fact that you seem to be asking > others to do your research for you. I am very sorry to seem unkind or > unhelpful but, really, this sort of query annoys many of us because it > seems to me you are simply trying to get people to help you for gratis and > not doing anything to help yourself.> > Buy the birth certificate before anything else! It will tell you what you> want > to know, i.e. who his parents were. You can buy it online from the GRO > website, using the reference you obviously already have - Charles Henry > Gagg, Sep qrtr 1883, Gainsbro, vol 7a page 720. Then take out a > subscription to Ancestry or Findmypast and check out the censuses - or > find a library that has them for free. This is how the rest of us do it.> > --> Roy Stockdill> Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer> Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html> > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about."> OSCAR WILDE> > > > > > > Notts Surname List> > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to> NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes> in the subject and the body of the message> > > > > Notts Surname List> > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Messenger's gift to you! Download free emoticons today! http://livelife.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=669758

Hear Hear Anne! Totally agree - Roy seems to think that unless you have plenty of money, and are also able to travel all over the place you shouldn't 'dabble'. I live in an area called Daintree, in the Far North of Queensland. Our nearest LDS is about 100km away, our nearest librarye about 40km - in fact we get a weekly visit from the mobile library, definitely no computers there. I have had so much help from these lists, most of my antecedants are spread all over the UK, including Wales and Scotland. I now have subscriptions to Find my Past and Ancestry, thanks to my wonderful children, and am happy to help anyone where I can. Such an attitude, especially at this time of year, makes me sad, and I feel sorry for him that he has this attitude. I think his quotation at the end of his post says it all. Regards Jan This reply really annoys me. Roy --We do not all have the money to buy the certificates that we would like to have or join Ancestry or Findmypast . We do not all live within easy travelling distance of the relevant register offices. Most genuine enthusiasts are only too pleased to help anyone who asks for free. I don't think you are one of these. Anne Wardle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Stockdill" <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> To: <NOTTSGEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [NTT] Charles Henry Gagg info request From: "Alan M Gagg" <alanmgagg@f2s.com> > I am looking for any info on Charles Henry Gagg born in sept > quarter1883,register district gainsborough, we know he married > Charlotte Ann Wass in 1905 and one of their children was Walter Gagg > born in 1918.

I do not want mail containing foul language in my inbox. Does anyone know whether this list has a facility to report offensive postings? Regards David Litchfield On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:36 AM, jennifer woolard <jgwoolard@hotmail.com>wrote: > > Right on Alan. Talk about a self opionated wanka - get your head into the > real world Roy and stop making everyone, who may not have the same > where-with-all as you, feel like second class citizens or family historians. >

I have a real mind-boggler and It would take a genius to crack it. It isn't easy to follow, but without all the facts it would be difficult to understand.   1818 Sarah Stych b. Wolverhampton parents James and Mary 1838 Sarah Stych Marries Jerimiah Williams 1840 Jerimiah dies (they have no children) 1842 Sarah Marries Richard Grafton (miner) 1846 Daughter Eliza Grafton is born 1848 Son James Grafton is born 1851 Sarah is on the census co-habiting with Joseph Cartwright with her 2 children 1851 June 1/4 son James dies. 1852 Daughter Hannah is born parents Sarah and Richard Grafton 1854 Daughter Hannah is baptised. On freereg, it states mother Sarah deceased father Richard Grafton. 1856 Sarah Grafton marries William Felton...her sister Hannah Illedge is a witness and James Stych father. So she is not dead as it says on FREEREG in 1854. 1858 William Felton is dead  1859 Son Richard Grafton is born parents Sarah and Richard Son born 10/11mths after husband William Felton dies. 1861 Sarah reverts back to her previous husbands name of Grafton and is on the census with daughter Hannah and son Richard and is widowed. 1865 Sarah marries Edward Wootton (caster) Jane Stych sister is a witness, James Stych father. Note she marries as Grafton and not Felton. 1871 Sarah and Edward Wootton are together with wife's son Richard Grafton. living on shakespeare Street.   This is my complication: 1871 son Richard dies 12ys  April 1871 on Shakespear Street Wolverhampton..on the death cert it clearly says the son of Richard Grafton deceased miner. Please note the street. 1871 Mary Wootton dies wife of Edward Wootton (caster) Shakespear Street 19th November 1871. There are no other Wootton's on Shakespear Street and no other Edward Wootton a caster. I am unable to find a death for my Sarah or another marriage for Edward Wootton in that time period. I have rang Wolverhampton and they have checked through the old books that were written at the said time and indexed as part of the GRO, but it clearly says Mary. 1878 Edward Wootton dies widow on Hallets Row, it is believed that he goes to live with his son's or daughter's from his previous marriage who live on Hallets Row.   I have the same occurring with William Felton's wife.....Where do I go from here? She is registered as Hannah, but should say Harriet, but again Wolverhampton have checked the original documents and have been assured it clearly says Hannah.   Help would be much appreciated on this and I have been around this list for nearly a decade and i have faith in all. Pat Williams

2008/12/19 Brian Binns <bnbinns@gmail.com> > > > As a child growing up on a Nottingham council estate in the late 40's and > early 50's I recall that we used to sing "our" versions of Christmas songs. > The only 2 I can remember went roughly so:- > > > > > > > > > > The other one was:- > > > > Whilst Shepherds washed their socks at night, > > All steaming in the pot, > > A lump of soot came tumbling down, > > And spoilt the blinkin' lot. > > > > Another illogical wording. As the Shepherds were seated outside, how could > a > lump of soot come down? > > > > > > > Hi all, I am sure the administrator will stop this, However different words to the above, While shepherds washed their socks by night, All seated round the tub, A bar of sunlight soap came down And they began to scrub > > Happy Christmas to all and a prosperous(miracle) New Year -- For all my names and some charts go to http://barrylaughton.bravehost.com/