Hi   Jack GLADWIN GREEN was the son of James GREEN of Roseanna GREEN nee HAMPSON. Sadly Roseanna died after giving birth to Jack in 1899.   Jack was brought up by his Aunt and uncle, Mary Jane GLADWIN nee HAMPSON and James GLADWIN. Jack is living with them in 1901 and 1911 he is 12yrs old and named Jack GLADWIN. The family lived at Shirecliffe, but eventually moved to New Victoria Street in Mansfield.   l have looked through the GRO indexes for a marriage and a death, but have had no luck in finding out what happened to him. I also have Mary Jane and James GLADWIN on the electoral rolls up o 1936 but no mention of Jack.   Can anyone relate to this family or remember a Jack GLADWIN GREEN, his birth name. Any help would be appreciated. Kind Regards Pat Williams

Roy, You will need to pay for a transcription to find out what the Institution was. Dai Roy Langham wrote: > Dear nottsgen. Ihave visited the 1911 census and I have found out my Grandfather was in an institution but it does not tell me what sort of institution it was or where. The original page has all male names. how could I get more information on this. His name was Joseph Oakland.Was it a prison or Workhouse. can anyone help.Roy Langham. > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Dear nottsgen. Ihave visited the 1911 census and I have found out my Grandfather was in an institution but it does not tell me what sort of institution it was or where. The original page has all male names. how could I get more information on this. His name was Joseph Oakland.Was it a prison or Workhouse. can anyone help.Roy Langham.

Roy, and anyone else interested in this, I found one of my WISHER relatives enumerated in an "Institution". When I clicked on the Transcript button I scrolled down the list of names and found the following at the bottom of the page: WISHER WILLIAM (RG14PN683 RG78PN23 RD9 SD1 ED34 SN1) Institution name Rowton Lodging House Address ARLINGTON ROAD CAMDEN TWON N W County London District St Pancras Subdistrict West St Pancras Enumeration District 34 Parish So in this instance he was a resident in a large lodging house. My only complaint with the transcript version is that it doesn't tell you any additional information vital to knowing if this is really the person you're looking for. I would have thought they could include on the transcript, in the least, the place of birth. As someone who was involved with the beta test of the site over Christmas, I know this issue was raised by a large number of people. Even to having place of birth be part of the results page from your initial search would be valuable, and I would hazard a guess (being in the IT biz messen) that it's simply a matter of turning a field from "off" to "on". Hope this helps. Denise, in sunny Vancouver -----Original Message----- From: nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roy Langham Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 7:23 AM To: NOTTSGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NTT] Institutions Thanks everybody who replied to my query.also on the page was a ten year old boy.what institution would that be.Roy . Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____ avast! Antivirus <http://www.avast.com> : Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090117-0, 01/17/2009 Tested on: 1/18/2009 9:23:00 AM avast! - copyright (c) 2000-2009 ALWIL Software.

Hi Jean & List Thanks for the suggestion, I will try broadening the search I have a subscription to Ancestry and currently tokens for 1911 & find my past. I honestly have no idea how sound the marriage was. Mum knew very little, and what she did know took ages to dredge up. She passed away in May, it wasn't that her mind was gone, she literally knew nothing about her Dad's side of the family. I had thought maybe there was a previous marriage for one if not both of them as I can't find a marriage between Sam Taylor and Kate Burn/s. I found Kate with her family in the 1881 census so that was good, but, I have no idea on his age, with my luck Sam was his middle name, and although he went by it, he used his Christian name for legal stuff. Unfortunately other than that she was younger than the twins Mum could help much. That and the fact that she didn't marry is about all she knew. Thanks again. Regards Barb -----Original Message----- From: Jean WOOD [mailto:jeangrahame@orange.fr] Sent: Sunday, 18 January 2009 12:20 AM To: Barbara Cunningham Subject: re: [NTT] 1911 suggestions please Broaden your search - I had a much earlier couple (1841) the husband was absent, though wife and baby were together, but he was there 10 years later, with more children, a drum maker - in his case I suspect he may have been on a ship. Do you have a membership to other websites? I use findmy past. Do you have any idea about his age? A music teacher might be peripatetic, or even playing in an orchestra travelling, lots of other possibilities. Was their marriage sound, do you know, or was he going and returning, to leave another child each time? Jean > Message du 17/01/09 13:54 > De : "Barbara Cunningham" > A : NOTTSGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Copie à : > Objet : [NTT] 1911 suggestions please > > > Hi List > > I am hoping for a few suggestions. > > I have been excitedly searching the 1911 census in the hope of finally being > able to identify my great grandparents. > > My grandparents divorced during WW2 and Mum had very little to do with her > father so she was never able to give me a great deal of information. > > My grandfather Arthur Samuel Taylor was born on the 20th June 1906 (along > with his twin sister Minnie Kathleen) to Sam Taylor - music teacher & Kate > Taylor formerly Burn. Mum always said that there were 2 brothers George & > Ginger, an older sister Marion and a younger sister Phyllis > > When I first got access to the 1901 census I thought finally I will find > something, unfortunately Sam and Kate do not appear together in 1901. So I > waited with baited breath for the 1911 census. > > I have grandad's birth certificate, his marriage certificate and his death > certificate, not that they help a great deal other than to tell me that his > dad was dead prior to my grandparents marriage in 1929 as Sam is listed as > deceased and as a newsagent. > > Today I found my grandfather in the 1911 census as I had no information > other than there names I figured it was safest to search for Grandad rather > than his parents. > > I found Grandad straight away, which was fantastic. The rest of the results > is where my request comes in. > > In the transcription it states the following: > > Taylor, Kate Head Married F 34 No Occupation > Battersea London > Burn, Minnie Sister Single F 31 Ironer in Laundry > Battersea London > Taylor Minnie Kathleen Daughter F 4 > Nottingham > Taylor Arthur Samuel Son M 4 > Nottingham > > According to the census transcription (the original agrees - it also states > that Kate had been married for 5 years) that Kate is married but, she is > listed as Head of the household. As her husband isn't there I guess I > understand why she is listed as Head, but, where could he be ? > > I don't know what his occupation was in 1911 he could have still been > teacher music or a newsagent, so I figured he could be working or visiting, > but, I have checked all the Sam's and Samuel Taylors in Nottingham and found > nothing that could be the right one. > > Does anyone have a suggestion on where I try next ? > > Thanks heaps > > Barb > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Jean Wood 11 impasse Pampanie chez Perineau 17610 Chaniers France Tel: 0033(0)5.46.93.38.71 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.8/1898 - Release Date: 1/16/2009 3:09 PM

Hi List I am hoping for a few suggestions. I have been excitedly searching the 1911 census in the hope of finally being able to identify my great grandparents. My grandparents divorced during WW2 and Mum had very little to do with her father so she was never able to give me a great deal of information. My grandfather Arthur Samuel Taylor was born on the 20th June 1906 (along with his twin sister Minnie Kathleen) to Sam Taylor - music teacher & Kate Taylor formerly Burn. Mum always said that there were 2 brothers George & Ginger, an older sister Marion and a younger sister Phyllis When I first got access to the 1901 census I thought finally I will find something, unfortunately Sam and Kate do not appear together in 1901. So I waited with baited breath for the 1911 census. I have grandad's birth certificate, his marriage certificate and his death certificate, not that they help a great deal other than to tell me that his dad was dead prior to my grandparents marriage in 1929 as Sam is listed as deceased and as a newsagent. Today I found my grandfather in the 1911 census as I had no information other than there names I figured it was safest to search for Grandad rather than his parents. I found Grandad straight away, which was fantastic. The rest of the results is where my request comes in. In the transcription it states the following: Taylor, Kate Head Married F 34 No Occupation Battersea London Burn, Minnie Sister Single F 31 Ironer in Laundry Battersea London Taylor Minnie Kathleen Daughter F 4 Nottingham Taylor Arthur Samuel Son M 4 Nottingham According to the census transcription (the original agrees - it also states that Kate had been married for 5 years) that Kate is married but, she is listed as Head of the household. As her husband isn't there I guess I understand why she is listed as Head, but, where could he be ? I don't know what his occupation was in 1911 he could have still been teacher music or a newsagent, so I figured he could be working or visiting, but, I have checked all the Sam's and Samuel Taylors in Nottingham and found nothing that could be the right one. Does anyone have a suggestion on where I try next ? Thanks heaps Barb

Hi Barbara, I found the following tree online - if you follow this, you'll then find Samuel on the 1901 census, still widowed, living with his mother, Ann, and daughters from his first marriage, Florrie and Lizzie. http://www.geocities.com/dilli63/STaylor.rtf 4. SAMUEL3 TAYLOR (GEORGE2, BENJAMIN1) was born 1853 in Hucknall Torkard, Nottingham, England, and died Unknown. He married (1) KATE BURN, daughter of HENRY BURN and SARAH THORNTON. She was born 1881 in Thirlby, Yorkshire, England, and died Unknown. He married (2) ELIZABETH BROWN 25 Dec 1872 in Hucknall Torkard St Marys, daughter of BROWN and ANN (BROWN). She was born 1852 in Kirkby In Ashfield, Notts, England, and died Unknown. More About SAMUEL TAYLOR and ELIZABETH BROWN: Marriage: 25 Dec 1872, Hucknall Torkard St Marys Children of SAMUEL TAYLOR and KATE BURN are: i. FREDERICK GEORGE4 TAYLOR, b. 1903, Nottingham, England; d. Unknown. ii. DORIS MARION TAYLOR, b. 1904, Nottingham, England; d. Unknown. 5. iii. ARTHUR SAMUEL TAYLOR, b. 20 Jun 1906, Nottingham, England; d. 1978, Rushcliffe, Nottingham, England. 6. iv. MINNIE KATHLEEN TAYLOR, b. 20 Jun 1906, Nottingham, England; d. Unknown, . v. PHYLLIS TAYLOR, b. Private. Children of SAMUEL TAYLOR and ELIZABETH BROWN are: vi. LIZZIE A S4 TAYLOR, b. 1875, Hucknall Torkard, Nottingham, England; d. Unknown. vii. FLORENCE H J TAYLOR, b. 1877, Hucknall Torkard, Nottingham, England; d. Unknown. -----Original Message----- From: nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Cunningham Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:54 AM To: NOTTSGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NTT] 1911 suggestions please Hi List I am hoping for a few suggestions. I have been excitedly searching the 1911 census in the hope of finally being able to identify my great grandparents. My grandparents divorced during WW2 and Mum had very little to do with her father so she was never able to give me a great deal of information. My grandfather Arthur Samuel Taylor was born on the 20th June 1906 (along with his twin sister Minnie Kathleen) to Sam Taylor - music teacher & Kate Taylor formerly Burn. Mum always said that there were 2 brothers George & Ginger, an older sister Marion and a younger sister Phyllis When I first got access to the 1901 census I thought finally I will find something, unfortunately Sam and Kate do not appear together in 1901. So I waited with baited breath for the 1911 census. I have grandad's birth certificate, his marriage certificate and his death certificate, not that they help a great deal other than to tell me that his dad was dead prior to my grandparents marriage in 1929 as Sam is listed as deceased and as a newsagent. Today I found my grandfather in the 1911 census as I had no information other than there names I figured it was safest to search for Grandad rather than his parents. I found Grandad straight away, which was fantastic. The rest of the results is where my request comes in. In the transcription it states the following: Taylor, Kate Head Married F 34 No Occupation Battersea London Burn, Minnie Sister Single F 31 Ironer in Laundry Battersea London Taylor Minnie Kathleen Daughter F 4 Nottingham Taylor Arthur Samuel Son M 4 Nottingham According to the census transcription (the original agrees - it also states that Kate had been married for 5 years) that Kate is married but, she is listed as Head of the household. As her husband isn't there I guess I understand why she is listed as Head, but, where could he be ? I don't know what his occupation was in 1911 he could have still been teacher music or a newsagent, so I figured he could be working or visiting, but, I have checked all the Sam's and Samuel Taylors in Nottingham and found nothing that could be the right one. Does anyone have a suggestion on where I try next ? Thanks heaps Barb Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have been thinking again. I tried looking at the censuses on findmypast, with a 5 year either side band, but Sam Taylor gives 419 responses in 1881, 413 in 1891 and as only a few counties are shown in1901 about 58. The twins were born in Notts, but the mother and sister were born in London and the sister was an ironer - not a trade which would normally involve moving much - what is the betting that they at least met in London, amnd possibly Sam born there too. Can you not work on Arthur's birth cert and try to see if you can find dates for marriages for each parent in turn? If you find ones with the same date slot and index code, you may have cracked it. It is tedious, but with less common names I would start with hers first. (Burn/s being rarer) Also, IF the boys were not older, and the twins the first birth, then she might be older than her husband with first child/ren born when she was 30- he could be a lot younger - otherwise, others could be with dad say in London? Jean > Message du 17/01/09 14:35 > De : "Barbara Cunningham" > A : "'Jean WOOD'" , NOTTSGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Copie à : > Objet : RE: [NTT] 1911 suggestions please > > > Hi Jean & List > > Thanks for the suggestion, I will try broadening the search > > I have a subscription to Ancestry and currently tokens for 1911 & find my > past. > > I honestly have no idea how sound the marriage was. Mum knew very little, > and what she did know took ages to dredge up. She passed away in May, it > wasn't that her mind was gone, she literally knew nothing about her Dad's > side of the family. > > I had thought maybe there was a previous marriage for one if not both of > them as I can't find a marriage between Sam Taylor and Kate Burn/s. I found > Kate with her family in the 1881 census so that was good, but, I have no > idea on his age, with my luck Sam was his middle name, and although he went > by it, he used his Christian name for legal stuff. > > Unfortunately other than that she was younger than the twins Mum could help > much. That and the fact that she didn't marry is about all she knew. > > Thanks again. > > Regards > > Barb > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jean WOOD [mailto:jeangrahame@orange.fr] > Sent: Sunday, 18 January 2009 12:20 AM > To: Barbara Cunningham > Subject: re: [NTT] 1911 suggestions please > > > > Broaden your search - I had a much earlier couple (1841) the husband was > absent, though wife and baby were together, but he was there 10 years later, > with more children, a drum maker - in his case I suspect he may have been on > a ship. > Do you have a membership to other websites? I use findmy past. Do you have > any idea about his age? A music teacher might be peripatetic, or even > playing in an orchestra travelling, lots of other possibilities. Was their > marriage sound, do you know, or was he going and returning, to leave another > child each time? > > Jean > > > > > Message du 17/01/09 13:54 > > De : "Barbara Cunningham" > > A : NOTTSGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > Copie à : > > Objet : [NTT] 1911 suggestions please > > > > > > Hi List > > > > I am hoping for a few suggestions. > > > > I have been excitedly searching the 1911 census in the hope of finally > being > > able to identify my great grandparents. > > > > My grandparents divorced during WW2 and Mum had very little to do with her > > father so she was never able to give me a great deal of information. > > > > My grandfather Arthur Samuel Taylor was born on the 20th June 1906 (along > > with his twin sister Minnie Kathleen) to Sam Taylor - music teacher & Kate > > Taylor formerly Burn. Mum always said that there were 2 brothers George & > > Ginger, an older sister Marion and a younger sister Phyllis > > > > When I first got access to the 1901 census I thought finally I will find > > something, unfortunately Sam and Kate do not appear together in 1901. So I > > waited with baited breath for the 1911 census. > > > > I have grandad's birth certificate, his marriage certificate and his death > > certificate, not that they help a great deal other than to tell me that > his > > dad was dead prior to my grandparents marriage in 1929 as Sam is listed as > > deceased and as a newsagent. > > > > Today I found my grandfather in the 1911 census as I had no information > > other than there names I figured it was safest to search for Grandad > rather > > than his parents. > > > > I found Grandad straight away, which was fantastic. The rest of the > results > > is where my request comes in. > > > > In the transcription it states the following: > > > > Taylor, Kate Head Married F 34 No Occupation > > Battersea London > > Burn, Minnie Sister Single F 31 Ironer in Laundry > > Battersea London > > Taylor Minnie Kathleen Daughter F 4 > > Nottingham > > Taylor Arthur Samuel Son M 4 > > Nottingham > > > > According to the census transcription (the original agrees - it also > states > > that Kate had been married for 5 years) that Kate is married but, she is > > listed as Head of the household. As her husband isn't there I guess I > > understand why she is listed as Head, but, where could he be ? > > > > I don't know what his occupation was in 1911 he could have still been > > teacher music or a newsagent, so I figured he could be working or > visiting, > > but, I have checked all the Sam's and Samuel Taylors in Nottingham and > found > > nothing that could be the right one. > > > > Does anyone have a suggestion on where I try next ? > > > > Thanks heaps > > > > Barb > > > > > > > > Notts Surname List > > > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > Jean Wood 11 impasse Pampanie chez Perineau 17610 Chaniers France Tel: > 0033(0)5.46.93.38.71 > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.8/1898 - Release Date: 1/16/2009 > 3:09 PM > > > Jean Wood 11 impasse Pampanie chez Perineau 17610 Chaniers France Tel: 0033(0)5.46.93.38.71

I am hoping someone can help me locate a William Holland from Carlton, Nottingham who would have been born anywhere from about 1818-1822, likely the same area. In 1844, he sired an illegitimate son, Titus Taylor - mother Mary Taylor, who later married Noah Pembleton. Titus was raised with his grandparents, William Taylor and Mary Chantry of Arnold, Nottingham. Titus was my 2xGreat-grandfather. His baptism record definitely shows William Holland from Carlton as his father. I would love to learn who my Holland relatives are. I have found one William Holland (b.1818) family in Carlton on the 1851 census, with father Henry, and it looks like William is widowed and has two children, William (12) and Samuel (10). I have no idea if this is the William that I am looking for, but the dates and place fit. I believe this same family is on the 1841 census in Carlton, Gedling, Nottingham where William is married to Ann, sons William and Samuel born same years (1839 and 1841 respectively), living with John and Sarah Tomlinson, who would presumably be Ann parents, since a William Holland married an Ann Tomlinson in the 1stQ 1839 in Basford according to the GRO. There is an Ann Holland who dies in Basford in the 3rdQ 1846, so if this is the same Ann, and William, my William would have sired Titus while married. William seems to have married again to another Ann. I find a marriage of William Holland in 1stQ 1854 in Basford (no spouse noted), and an 1861 census with William Holland born 1818 in Carlton, living ! in Carlton, with wife Ann, and children Elizabeth (6), Albert (3), and twins Harriet and Matilda (1mo). Older sons, William and Samuel, seem to be lodging in Sutton in Ashfield in 1861. If any Holland researcher has knowledge of a William, born in that time period, who would have married at least twice, and possibly fathered an illegitimate child in 1844, I would love to hear from you. Many thanks Laurie Caron

Hi, Just to add to this, my cousin found her great grandmother on the 1911 living with her mother, but the transcription had given them the same surname. On the actual sheet it was clear her great grandmother was listed under her married name. Regards Shirley -------Original Message------- From: Dorothy Holden Date: 01/17/09 13:43:53 To: 'Barbara Cunningham'; NOTTSGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NTT] 1911 suggestions please Hi Barbara, Did you just read the transcript or actually view the page? The reason I am asking is that on another list I am on someone found details Of her ancestor on the page that hadn't been detailed in the transcription. Her female relative is head of household but she also listed on the page That her husband was in prison and where he was. This additional detail was Crossed through (probably by the enumerator) and did not appear in the Transcription details. Not suggesting at all that your ancestor was in prison :) but he may have Been elsewhere and his wife may have noted that. Worth a look. Regards, Dot Dorothy Holden Dover Kent England “. . . As one goes through life one learns that if you don't paddle your own Canoe, you don't move.” I volunteer for the Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness website www.raogk.org Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello All, I have been on the IGI and there is one that I am interested in and wonder if the patron who submitted it might be a member of this list. It is for a John ROBINSON who married Sarah WORDSWORTH 27 Mar 1827 at Edwinstowe, Notts. There are no sources listed. Since this information I believe might be sealings for the dead I would be unable to find out who submitted the information so that I might contact them. If anyone has any information on the above couple I would love to get in contact with you. Thank you. Sharon Rauworth Mesa, Arizona

Widen your search. There is no reason he should necessarily be in Notts. Also try looking for the other siblings - George and Marion - How much younger was Phyllis? Jean (I sent a partial reply off list - perhaps peripatetic music or in orchestra travelling) > Message du 17/01/09 13:54 > De : "Barbara Cunningham" > A : NOTTSGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Copie à : > Objet : [NTT] 1911 suggestions please > > > Hi List > > I am hoping for a few suggestions. > > I have been excitedly searching the 1911 census in the hope of finally being > able to identify my great grandparents. > > My grandparents divorced during WW2 and Mum had very little to do with her > father so she was never able to give me a great deal of information. > > My grandfather Arthur Samuel Taylor was born on the 20th June 1906 (along > with his twin sister Minnie Kathleen) to Sam Taylor - music teacher & Kate > Taylor formerly Burn. Mum always said that there were 2 brothers George & > Ginger, an older sister Marion and a younger sister Phyllis > > When I first got access to the 1901 census I thought finally I will find > something, unfortunately Sam and Kate do not appear together in 1901. So I > waited with baited breath for the 1911 census. > > I have grandad's birth certificate, his marriage certificate and his death > certificate, not that they help a great deal other than to tell me that his > dad was dead prior to my grandparents marriage in 1929 as Sam is listed as > deceased and as a newsagent. > > Today I found my grandfather in the 1911 census as I had no information > other than there names I figured it was safest to search for Grandad rather > than his parents. > > I found Grandad straight away, which was fantastic. The rest of the results > is where my request comes in. > > In the transcription it states the following: > > Taylor, Kate Head Married F 34 No Occupation > Battersea London > Burn, Minnie Sister Single F 31 Ironer in Laundry > Battersea London > Taylor Minnie Kathleen Daughter F 4 > Nottingham > Taylor Arthur Samuel Son M 4 > Nottingham > > According to the census transcription (the original agrees - it also states > that Kate had been married for 5 years) that Kate is married but, she is > listed as Head of the household. As her husband isn't there I guess I > understand why she is listed as Head, but, where could he be ? > > I don't know what his occupation was in 1911 he could have still been > teacher music or a newsagent, so I figured he could be working or visiting, > but, I have checked all the Sam's and Samuel Taylors in Nottingham and found > nothing that could be the right one. > > Does anyone have a suggestion on where I try next ? > > Thanks heaps > > Barb > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Jean Wood 11 impasse Pampanie chez Perineau 17610 Chaniers France Tel: 0033(0)5.46.93.38.71

Hi Barbara, Did you just read the transcript or actually view the page? The reason I am asking is that on another list I am on someone found details of her ancestor on the page that hadn't been detailed in the transcription. Her female relative is head of household but she also listed on the page that her husband was in prison and where he was. This additional detail was crossed through (probably by the enumerator) and did not appear in the transcription details. Not suggesting at all that your ancestor was in prison :) but he may have been elsewhere and his wife may have noted that. Worth a look. Regards, Dot Dorothy Holden Dover Kent England “. . . as one goes through life one learns that if you don't paddle your own canoe, you don't move.” I volunteer for the Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness website www.raogk.org

Thank you to everyone who answered my query about the numbers on death certificates.Much appreciated.Maggie.

Each quarter a new registers were started by the GRO for all registration districts (Volume number) for each of births, deaths and marriages. Every sub registration district was allocated a range of page number each quarter and these numbers were repeated quarter after quarter. Example Marriage index Mar quarter 1891 Volume 6b Stafford pages were 1 - 43 Stone pages were 51 - 89 Newcastle L pages 93 - 127 and so on to West Bromwich which were pages 1009 - 1145 See Mike Foster's " A Comedy of Errors" http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mikefost/ for a detail explanation of how the registration system worked. Keith Wellington, NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret thompson" <maggie09.thompson@ntlworld.com> To: <NOTTSGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:04 AM Subject: Re: [NTT] death certificates > Hi can anyone explain why 2 relations who died 2 years apart would have > the same death registration number.ie Emma Bate died 1928 > 6b 487 and Joyce Bate died 1930 6b 487. Thank you.Maggie. > >

Hi Maggie The references used are not unique to a record, they are reused in conjunction with the year and quarter This may help for the volume ref http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/civreg/GROIndexes.html A quick search of freebmd finds four BATE deaths with the same reference but different year and quarter Deaths Sep 1896 Bate Samuel 61 W. Bromwich 6b 487 Deaths Dec 1902 Bate Male 0 W. Bromwich 6b 487 Deaths Dec 1909 Bate William 2 W. Bromwich 6b 487 Deaths Dec 1930 Bate Joyce 2 Cannock 6b 487 Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > Hi can anyone explain why 2 relations who died 2 years apart would have > the same death registration number.ie Emma Bate died 1928 > 6b 487 and Joyce Bate died 1930 6b 487. Thank you.Maggie.

Because the volume number 6b refers to the registration district, which was clearly the same, and coincidentally the page number is the same too. Either there were no deaths in that place in between the two events, or they had started another book! JK On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Margaret thompson <maggie09.thompson@ntlworld.com> wrote: > Hi can anyone explain why 2 relations who died 2 years apart would have the same death registration number. ie Emma Bate died 1928 > 6b 487 and Joyce Bate died 1930 6b 487. Thank you. Maggie. > >

> Hi can anyone explain why 2 relations who died 2 years apart would have > the same death registration number.ie Emma Bate died 1928 > 6b 487 and Joyce Bate died 1930 6b 487. Thank you.Maggie. > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > The reference is the page number in the return for that quarter. So just coincidence. Andy

Hi can anyone explain why 2 relations who died 2 years apart would have the same death registration number.ie Emma Bate died 1928 6b 487 and Joyce Bate died 1930 6b 487. Thank you.Maggie.

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