I would like to thank Mavis (in Somerset),John Mellors,Roy Stockdill & Gpwilliamsgpw for the information you all very kindly sent me regarding my paternal g,g grandfather John Bradley who was Mayor of Nottingham 1857/58. I spent some time 'searching' and eventually found the information I was looking for plus a photograph of John Bradley. I would like to add that I was amazed at the facial likeness between my g,g grandfather and one of my own sons. Kindest regards and many thanks, Elizabeth.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Gillian Kelly" <gilliankelly@bigpond.com> To: "J K gen" <gen2mail@googlemail.com> Cc: "Nottsgen" <NOTTSGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [NTT] tr: Petition > My apologies JK - I misread this to mean just an index. I do think this > is > a very tall order and quite regardless of the cost and who pays I think > that in today's troubled times open access to such a huge amount of > personal > information borders on dangerous. The information is already on microfilm at the GRO and duplicating it is as cheap as chips. Putting it online is an option, well that involves a lot more cost and could have been done a lot cheaper than the ill fated DoVE project that has used UKP 16 million thus far. They are talking about historical information, that is pre 1909 certificates, and nothing later, so no issue as far as privacy goes. None the less an e-petition is a government sop and will achieve nothing. A system set up to keep the masses from rioting for change. Keith Wellington, NZ

From: Edawnmarie@aol.com > Would some kind person be able to tell me if there are any > portraits/photographs anywhere of Nottingham Lord Mayors,particularly > John Bradley who was Mayor 1857/58 ? > Probably hanging in the main council chamber of Nottingham Town Hall! Seriously, though, a simple spot of googling will reveal the websites and e-mail addresses of lots of contacts at Nottingham City Council and I would have thought the Nottinghamshire County Record Office was also an obvious place to enquire. -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

How sad, and how rude. I am on 3 other lists and certainly on one of them, very active, with lots of info flying about, there are many one liners just saying thank you to others for information requested, or just offered in the way that Barbara is doing. As a relative newcomer I sense slightly different moods between lists, just the collective composition of the contributors I feel. Manners - good ones - always oil the wheels in any community. Be assured, I do read every message and appreciate the effort that goes into any contribution, even if it does not necessarily have a direct relationship to my needs. I learn a lot, often very unexpected, all the time. So many people, from such varied backgrounds, have so much to offer. Please keep going! There will be many like me who keep an eye on the list from the sidelines. Jean > Message du 04/02/09 11:17 > De : DayMargaretstan@aol.com > A : nottsgen@rootsweb.com > Copie à : > Objet : [NTT] re-please read > > > > BARBARA SAID--- > > So please don't take offence if I ask you to be more specific about your > enquiry and give you the reasons why. > > I have stated so many time that this is a hobby and it should be fun. I > love to have fun with it and you, so let's continue in that vein. > > EXACTLY > And another gripe of mine, people hardly ever say please , after all our > efforts never hear from them again. I have done many a lookup and never had a > reply ,so have I wasted my time ?????? who knows > Margaret Notts. Uk > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Jean Wood 11 impasse Pampanie chez Perineau 17610 Chaniers France Tel: 0033(0)5.46.93.38.71

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My apologies JK - I misread this to mean just an index. I do think this is a very tall order and quite regardless of the cost and who pays I think that in today's troubled times open access to such a huge amount of personal information borders on dangerous. Gillian Kelly

Loose lingo is not just a government habit seemingly! JK On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 6:16 AM, Guy Etchells <guy.etchells@virgin.net> wrote: >snip< > The petition asks for less than is already provided as it is poorly worded. >snip< > Cheers > Guy >

Graceful apology, gracefully accepted. Even without the "troubled times" you correctly mention which must inform all government financial decisions for some time to come, I think the family history community must a) not be so greedy! and b) limit their wish list to the feasible and useful. Duplication of resources is unnecessary, updating a possible option. Tony Blair's open society schpeel required government departments etc to look again at making their material more easily accessible, for whatever purpose. Hence the Probate Division's digitisation of their indexes of Wills from 1858. A project certainly in train, but not yet online - their rep told me last year they were fearful of another "1901 debacle". That seems to loom large in the general psyche. Whether it is also informing the folks at the sharp end of DoVE is a moot question. Perhaps brightsolid and ancestry could digitise all the record office material up and down the land? Then get taken over by the government (like Northorn Rock!) and allow us all free access.... or perhaps not! Whichever resources are digitised and made available online, somebody is paying the costs involved. Therefore somebody has to pay to see, whether to a commercial company, or to a government department. I hope reality has set in that we have to pay someone somewhere for access to the records we each need for this hobby of tracing our antecedents. JK On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 5:08 AM, Gillian Kelly <gilliankelly@bigpond.com> wrote: > My apologies JK - I misread this to mean just an index. I do think this is > a very tall order and quite regardless of the cost and who pays I think > that in today's troubled times open access to such a huge amount of personal > information borders on dangerous. Gillian Kelly > >

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but as an Australian taxpayer I have no objection to anyone being able to access the NSW records. The website I believe Gillian refers to gives enough detail to reduce the risk of ordering the incorrect certificate, but does not show you the certificate with all it's detail. This you buy. Perhaps the British system would be different. I've used pay per view and wasted my money because none of the results were what I had requested. I can't afford this, and nor can many other people. Another thing my taxes have helped pay for, which I'm happy to share, is the Australian National Archives site which has digitised the WW1 records of all members of the AIF. These records often include letters to/from family members. If anyone wants help locating Australian sites like this I'd be only too happy to help. All the best, Kate.

My husband's ancestor wasn't registered in his county of birth, though his sister and brother were. There are at least 6 with the same name around the country within 2 years either side, so an addition to the index (mother's maiden name for example) could help me find him without sending 6 applications to 6 different register offices....and still maybe not finding him, perhaps he wasn't even registered at all. I don't want something for nothing, I still want to buy the cetificate, but a bit of help along the way could save a lot of expense, whoever you pay your taxes to (I do live in the UK....) Jan> From: genmailnz@gmail.com> To: NOTTSGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 20:54:02 +1300> Subject: Re: [NTT] tr: Petition> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gillian Kelly" <gilliankelly@bigpond.com>> To: "J K gen" <gen2mail@googlemail.com>> Cc: "Nottsgen" <NOTTSGEN-L@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 6:08 PM> Subject: Re: [NTT] tr: Petition> > > > My apologies JK - I misread this to mean just an index. I do think this > > is> > a very tall order and quite regardless of the cost and who pays I think> > that in today's troubled times open access to such a huge amount of > > personal> > information borders on dangerous.> > The information is already on microfilm at the GRO and duplicating it is as > cheap as chips. Putting it online is an option, well that involves a lot > more cost and could have been done a lot cheaper than the ill fated DoVE > project that has used UKP 16 million thus far.> > They are talking about historical information, that is pre 1909 > certificates, and nothing later, so no issue as far as privacy goes.> > None the less an e-petition is a government sop and will achieve nothing. A > system set up to keep the masses from rioting for change.> > Keith Wellington, NZ> > > > > > > > > > > Notts Surname List> > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Messenger just got better .Video display pics, contact updates & more. http://www.download.live.com/messenger

Gillian Kelly wrote: > My apologies JK - I misread this to mean just an index. I do think this is > a very tall order and quite regardless of the cost and who pays I think > that in today's troubled times open access to such a huge amount of personal > information borders on dangerous. Gillian Kelly > BMDs are public information and are already subject to open access to all via the index and payement of a small fee for copying. The petition asks for less than is already provided as it is poorly worded. Modern BM|D registers (i.e. those in current use) may be inspected on demand at the registrar's office when it is open and copies obtained on demand for a small fee. Copies of any Birth, Marriage or Death certificate may be obtained by anyone in the world for what ever purpose they wish to use it/them for on payment of a small copying fee. Cheers Guy -- http://freespace.virgin.net/guy.etchells/ The site that gives you facts not promises http://anguline.co.uk/ Old and rare books on CD

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Hello all, First let me say that 99.9% of you do follow the guidelines I have set in place for using this list. However, there are a few of you who perhaps didn't read my letter of March 11th 2008 or who have joined Nottsgen since. It quite clearly states 'one request per e-mail please'. One of the reasons for this was to discourage 'fishing trips' - for those of you who don't know the term, this mean spreading your net as widely as you can in the hope that you will catch something!! Not only is it time consuming for me but it can look very suspicious. Again, as those of you who read my letters will know, this particular list is not my transcription but the work of a friend, and I respect his wishes as to how his work is used. You will have noticed that if there is more than one John Jones I give the age so that it will give you a clearer idea whether or not he could be your relative. Nothing is written in stone! If all your Robinson family comes from Radford then ask for all the Radford ones by all means. As I have said, for the small number of people who ask for all of one surname it is a simple case of forgetting or not knowing in the first place. However, there is also the possibility that people 'fish' to set up databases to sell on or professional researchers use my research for free and then charge their clients - well, to put it bluntly -'not on my time you don't.' Can't put it anymore simply than that. So please don't take offence if I ask you to be more specific about your enquiry and give you the reasons why. I have stated so many time that this is a hobby and it should be fun. I love to have fun with it and you, so let's continue in that vein. Many thanks, Barbara _________________________________________________________________ Twice the fun—Share photos while you chat with Windows Live Messenger. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/uk/windows/windowslive/products/messenger.aspx

Would some kind person be able to tell me if there are any portraits/photographs anywhere of Nottingham Lord Mayors,particularly John Bradley who was Mayor 1857/58 ? Kindest Regards, Elizabeth (in a very wet & very cold Cornwall)

BARBARA SAID--- So please don't take offence if I ask you to be more specific about your enquiry and give you the reasons why. I have stated so many time that this is a hobby and it should be fun. I love to have fun with it and you, so let's continue in that vein. EXACTLY And another gripe of mine, people hardly ever say please , after all our efforts never hear from them again. I have done many a lookup and never had a reply ,so have I wasted my time ?????? who knows Margaret Notts. Uk

Don't know if it will have anything of interest but Thursday 11.30 on Radio 4 is the The Monsarrat Archive, looking at the newly-opened archive of material from Nicholas Monsarrat, author of The Cruel Sea. It may be of interest as he spent some of his childhood at Gedling House - he's related to the family of John Turney through his mother (Ada Marguerite Turney) and he was a solicitor in Nottingham for a couple of years in the 30s. Torven

I must have read a different petition: the one I read was > > I have managed to get 10 Downing Street to allow an e-petition looking for > > support to have open access to the registers of Births, Marriages and > > Deaths from 1837 to 1908. > > > > This one act would enable all family historians and genealogists to find > > the right family certificate without having to purchase a copy certificate > > which turns out to be incorrect. So, as the index is currently available on FreeBMD, and all the index pages are also accessible through a number of pay-per-view sites, presumably the petitioner appears to require that the REGISTERS themselves be available? Once seen there would be (as the petitioner states) little or no requirement to purchase a certified copy of an entry. Or is there a different petition around? Now if the petitioner required the DoVE project to be re-instituted and made available, then I might be inclined to go along with the request. This project would improve the current index by including age at death, child's mother's maiden surname and spouse's surname from the start of registration, 1 July 1837. This is vital information for an index to be more efficient, though it requires money, resources and time to complete and put online. And, yes, that is tax-payers' money, and cases have been made against even that. However, the stumbling block has been the sheer enormity of that project and the cost of the hardware to complete it. Siemens presumably found it too much. Then came a change at the top with a change in government department. The size of a project to put online some kind of transcription from the registers themselves would possibly require a super-computer. As instead of a few fields for data as per the FreeBMD example, one requires fields for the whole of the marriage certificate date (this being the largest of the three). A suggestion that family historians be recruited to make some sort of new transcription or index from those registers at GRO sounds a dangerous one. I've done the computer inputting of projects after a number of experienced family historians have had a go at reading Victorian writing. Their efforts may not be quite on a par with the average non-English speaker but some of the errors I found were quite appalling. Given that for a short time in the recent bad weather conditions both TfL and other travel websites went down, as well as some of the mobile networks experiencing over-capacity, just who is going to foot the bill of the hardware to hold and run this date. We can't even afford an ambulance service computer system that works! And that surely is hugely more important. Perhaps one could ask the Court Service to speed up the process of digitising and indexing the Probate indexes from 1858? Very worth while. There is a huge quantity of resource material which really ought to be looked at. Certificate production is but one small, though vital, string. How about Court Sessions Papers, Middlesex Deeds Registry, York Wills, or even all those local BMD indexes, some of which are successfully on line, but some are not. It really is a question of funding, not just a willingness to organise the work. JK On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 2:57 AM, Gillian Kelly <gilliankelly@bigpond.com> wrote: > You know why JK? If for no other more generous reasons than because this > would be an index - people find the certificates they need and then they > BUY them. This puts much needed funds into the economy - and all countries > particularly welcome overseas funds into their coffers - and then there is > more money to sepend on taxpayers needs. Millions of researchers overseas > do not have an easy way of identifying certificates and therefore don't > purchase certificates - or they tie up staff with requests to do searches - > and this is taxpayers money! > > The NSW Australia experience, where you too can search indices for births > from 1788 to 1908, deaths from 1788 to 1978 and marriages from 1788 to 1958, > has been positive. The demands on staff has lessened and the sales from > these certificates has sky rocketed. > Gillian Kelly > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "J K gen" <gen2mail@googlemail.com> > To: "NOTTSGEN" <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 12:20 AM > Subject: Re: [NTT] tr: Petition > > >> I might agree if I could ban free usage from overseas. Why should any >> part of my taxes be used to subsidise a hobby? >> JK >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 11:00 PM, Jean WOOD <jeangrahame@orange.fr> wrote: >>> >>> I have just received this from another list, done it and hope others will >>> follow suit - it's easy to do. >>> >>> Jean >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> This is something everyone should do. From a member of EOLFHS >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> > I have managed to get 10 Downing Street to allow an e-petition looking >>>> > > for >>>> > support to have open access to the registers of Births, Marriages and >>>> > Deaths from 1837 to 1908. >>>> > >>>> > This one act would enable all family historians and genealogists to > >>>> > find >>>> > the right family certificate without having to purchase a copy > >>>> > certificate >>>> > which turns out to be incorrect. >>>> > >>>> > I hope you can support me in this as I feel it will make family > >>>> > history >>>> > just that little bit easier, after all these registrations are over > >>>> > 100 >>>> > years old. >>>> > >>>> > The link is http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/OpenBMDrecords/ >>>> > >>>> > >> >> >> Notts Surname List >> >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >

Hi All Dose any SKS know if or where I can access the Gale Directories Many Thanks > All for now > > pete, webmaster > > =============================================== > > http://www.broxtowehundred.co.uk > > "THOUGHT FOR THE DAY" To Share helps us remember Things which we shouldn`t forget _> =================================== > > This website was built to record > local Research into the Villages of Nottinghamshire > Births, Marriages, Deaths and lost history. > around the villages > > ================================================================================ > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN- > > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > > subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the mess

You know why JK? If for no other more generous reasons than because this would be an index - people find the certificates they need and then they BUY them. This puts much needed funds into the economy - and all countries particularly welcome overseas funds into their coffers - and then there is more money to sepend on taxpayers needs. Millions of researchers overseas do not have an easy way of identifying certificates and therefore don't purchase certificates - or they tie up staff with requests to do searches - and this is taxpayers money! The NSW Australia experience, where you too can search indices for births from 1788 to 1908, deaths from 1788 to 1978 and marriages from 1788 to 1958, has been positive. The demands on staff has lessened and the sales from these certificates has sky rocketed. Gillian Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "J K gen" <gen2mail@googlemail.com> To: "NOTTSGEN" <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [NTT] tr: Petition >I might agree if I could ban free usage from overseas. Why should any > part of my taxes be used to subsidise a hobby? > JK > > > On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 11:00 PM, Jean WOOD <jeangrahame@orange.fr> wrote: >> >> I have just received this from another list, done it and hope others will >> follow suit - it's easy to do. >> >> Jean >> >> >> >> >>> >>> This is something everyone should do. From a member of EOLFHS >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> > I have managed to get 10 Downing Street to allow an e-petition looking >>> > for >>> > support to have open access to the registers of Births, Marriages and >>> > Deaths from 1837 to 1908. >>> > >>> > This one act would enable all family historians and genealogists to >>> > find >>> > the right family certificate without having to purchase a copy >>> > certificate >>> > which turns out to be incorrect. >>> > >>> > I hope you can support me in this as I feel it will make family >>> > history >>> > just that little bit easier, after all these registrations are over >>> > 100 >>> > years old. >>> > >>> > The link is http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/OpenBMDrecords/ >>> > >>> > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Last Sat (29 Feb) Mr HATHWAYgrocer of Long Row died of a violent fever 1 Mar: Mrs BELL a lady who came from London to this town for the benefit of her health died suddenly 3 Mar: George PEAT a young fellow of this town shooting in Lenton Fields. His gun burst & shattered his left hand - it is feared he will lose the use of it 4 Mar: Mrs KIRKLAND relict of Wm KIRKLAND butcher of Castle Gate died after a lingering illness 4 Mar: Thomas THORNHILL a miller committed to the County Gaol for wilfully settin a mill on fire at Gringley. He is an old offender and made little defence when examined by William KIRKE & George MASON jp 4 Mar: Elizabeth BRITTLE an elderly woman at Calverton being disordered in mind hanged herself. Inquest returned a verdict of lunacy 7 Mar: The following prisoners are to take their trials at Lincoln Assizes being charged with capital offences: John DAWSON wilfully setting fire to a haystack John LISTER for highway robbery William & Joseph BLANCHARD felloniously stealing £30 John RYCRAFT wilful murder of C S HAMES James WHEATLEY removed by a habeus from Leicester setting a haystack on fire at Boston John HARRIS, Matthew BINGLEY, Christopher FRANKLIN, John LUND, John THURLOW & John JACKSON for sheep stealing from various places in Lincoln 7 Mar: Assizes for Nottingham begin today - 16 prisoners in the gaolers calendar. 2 for murder, 1 burglary at Mansfield and the rest charged with felonies or misdemeanors Hopefully this is of interest Best Wishes John Mellors