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William Field NEWMAN was my husband's great grandfather. He was a teacher, later head teacher, at Labaye School, Calverton from 1874 until he retired at 65 36 years later. On the 1911 census he was living at Ena Drive, Sneiton Dale Nottingham. I have other information but have been unable to find the year of death. Please can anyone help? Thank you in advance Pam Hadley

yaay for Bulwell Hucknall Torkard Mansfield Woodhouse - and maybe - Basford Now where are those VICKERS ? Thank you Barbara from sunny but windy AUckland New Zealand Di McKee ----- Original Message ----- From: "barbara kilby-croft" <barbarakilby-croft@live.co.uk> To: <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 1:28 AM Subject: [NTT] PREVIEW TO THE SPRING LISTS! Good morning all, Well, if you're like me today, snowed under, snowed out and snowed up, with boots that have sprung a leak, a dog who thinks walks in the snow are for pups only and therefore dashes under the couch at the sight of the lead - I thought a little cheering up might be in order. Of course if you're sweltering in Oz you perhaps think I should be grateful for the cold!! But no doubt you're in need of cheering up too!. So here is the list of places we shall be visiting in the spring - can't give you a date yet as I am still transcribing. ARNOLD ASLOCKTON BASFORD BEESTON BULWELL CARLTON IN LINDRICK DARLTON EAST BRIDGFORD EAST KIRKBY EAST RETFORD HUCKNALL TORKARD KEYWORTH LOWDHAM MANSFIELD WOODHOUSE NEWARK NOTTINGHAM RADFORD RETFORD SHELFORD SNEINTON WORKSOP We'll be looking at Anglican Baptisms, Marriages and Burials Non-Conformist Baptisms, Marriages and (rarer than hens teeth) a burial list. There will be the usual Coroner's Courts lists and one for putting some 'meat on the bones', possibly, School Transfer lists for the 1930's and 40's. I hope that has whetted your appetites - so get those old notes you'd written about that distant cousin maybe on the back of a packet of Woodbines or an old brown envelope (before you knew better of course). And get ready to be transported back to the Notts of old - I'm starting to notice that when some people refer to the 'old days' - they mean the days of my childhood! Very worrying. If you're new to the lists and unsure what to do or ask etc, then please get in touch with me. I don't bite and I'm always pleased to help if I can so just jump in! best wishes Barbara _________________________________________________________________ Twice the fun—Share photos while you chat with Windows Live Messenger. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/uk/windows/windowslive/products/messenger.aspx Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.18/1936 - Release Date: 5/02/2009 11:34 a.m.

It could be any of that. We really cannot know. I do know that when we moved from the south to the NW and tried to unload a hired lorry, with a man who had hired it a day or so before (we had agreed to help each other) I did not understand one word an old lady neighbour said to us. After she had gone back into her flat, the local man, a social worker, who was helping remarked her strong accent was also worsened by a stroke. I have taught children with speech defects, Some people lisp. My brother was born tongue tied and could not speak properly (After an operation he never stopped!) Vicars and registrars were not necessarily local.... and could have been old and deaf! Anything is possible, Jean > Message du 07/02/09 14:03 > De : "Roy Stockdill" > A : "Nottingham List" > Copie à : > Objet : Re: [NTT] Robert SAVAGE > > > From: Jean WOOD > > > But how did Saville become Savage?-- > > > Roy Stockdill > > > > Universal education did not begin till the 1870s and not really fully > > then - add in regional accents ----- > > > > Jean > > > I agree but Ilkeston and Nottingham (where Ann married in 1871) are > virtually next to one another! Would a Nottingham vicar and/or registrar > really not understand someone from Ilkeston or is it more likely that Ann > wasn't sure whether her married name (from her first husband) was > Saville or Savage? > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Jean Wood 11 impasse Pampanie chez Perineau 17610 Chaniers France Tel: 0033(0)5.46.93.38.71

> But how did Saville become Savage?-- > Roy Stockdill Universal education did not begin till the 1870s and not really fully then - add in regional accents ----- Jean

Congratulations! I spent a while systematically looking for Robert Savage/Gribby/Grebby/Greeby/Grabby births. I am glad he turned up as Saville! In the 1863/4 period very few of the G names come up...It makes you wonder how many errors the enumerators made. Jean > Message du 07/02/09 13:22 > De : "deejayono" > A : "Suzie Woodward" , "Nottingham List" > Copie à : > Objet : Re: [NTT] Robert SAVAGE > > > Following on from what Roy discovered, there was no registration of the > birth of a 'Robert Savage' in 1864 at Ilkeston or at any time around there. > However the birth of Robert Saville was registered there in 1863 (and George > Saville in 1865...he appears on the 1871 census along with Robert) > Best wishes > Dave Johnson > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Suzie Woodward" > To: "Nottingham List" > Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 10:27 AM > Subject: [NTT] Robert SAVAGE > > > > Am rejoining this list to see if someone can help me with Robert SAVAGE. > > > > Robert was b 1864 in Ilkeston. His father was Henry, an iron moulder. > > Can't find Robert in 1881. > > > > He married Sarah WHEATLEY in 1884 in Nottingham. > > Robert & Sarah had 5 children between 1884 and 1895: > > Emmeline, Harry, Adelaide, Ernest and Bertha. > > > > I believe Sarah died, possibly after childbirth, in 1895, and Robert > > married > > again. > > > > His second marriage was to Catherine HEAL(E)Y who was b 1867 in Dublin. > > > > My problem is I cannot find Robert, Sarah or any of the children in 1891. > > I have got Robert and family in 1901 and 1911 in Miles Platting, > > Manchester. > > > > I know I could send for the second marriage certificate which would give > > me > > details of Sarah's father, but just thought I'd check in with the list > > first. > > > > Also realise that maybe I should be on the Derbyshire list too... > > > > Regards > > Suzie (from Orkney) > > > > > > > > Notts Surname List > > > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Jean Wood 11 impasse Pampanie chez Perineau 17610 Chaniers France Tel: 0033(0)5.46.93.38.71

Again, following on from Roy's discovery... the marriage he refers to was at St Mary's Church, Ilkeston on Apr 21 1862, between labourer John Saville, aged 21, son of collier William, and Ann Attenborough, aged 17, no details of her father were entered. (both made their mark) In 1861 at Ilkeston was registered the birth of Sally Attenborough, (born Dec 6 1861) illegitimate daughter of John Saville and Ann Attenborough. In 1866 was registered the birth of Eliza Grebby Saville In 1870 was registered the birth on an unnamed boy, the child of John and Ann Saville. And then, to throw a spanner in the works...Emily Savage was born on Feb 25 1872 at Little Hallam, just outside Ilkeston... she was registered as the illegitimate daughter of Ann Savage (formerly Attenborough) Best wishes Dave Johnson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Stockdill" <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> To: "Suzie Woodward" <vestlaybanks@btinternet.com>; "Nottingham List" <NOTTSGEN@rootsweb.com>; "deejayono" <deejayono@ntlworld.com> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [NTT] Robert SAVAGE > From: "deejayono" <deejayono@ntlworld.com> > >> Following on from what Roy discovered, there was no registration of >> the birth of a 'Robert Savage' in 1864 at Ilkeston or at any time >> around there. However the birth of Robert Saville was registered there >> in 1863 (and George Saville in 1865...he appears on the 1871 census >> along with Robert) Best wishes Dave Johnson > > > Good spot, Dave! I reckon that's probably him, since you are quite right > when you point out that a George Saville appears on the 1871 with > Robert and parents Henry and Ann GREBBY. > > FreeBMD has the possible marriage of a John SAVILLE and Ann > ATTENBOROUGH at Basford RD (in which Ilkeston, Derbyshire, then lay > even though most of Basford was in Nottinghamshire), in Jun qrtr 1862, > vol 7b page 179. Did John die and the widowed Ann then marry Henry > Grebby at Nottingham in 1871, just before the census? I can find no > matching death for a John Saville. Maybe Ann left him and committed > bigamy!!! But how did Saville become Savage? > > Curiouser and curiouser - but, of course, this is the great joy of family > history, isn't it? > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > >

I think everyone who responded to my SAVAGE enquiry must be snowbound as there have been so many response for which I thank you all. I need a bit of time now to assimilate all this new information and to look at the actual references people have sent me. You have all been terrific - thank you. Regards Suzie (from Orkney where there is only snow on the hill tops)

Thank you for this, Dave. I haven't had time yet to actually look at all the censuses and information people on the list sent to me, but it sounds as if this could be him. Most grateful for your time. Suzie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Stockdill" <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> To: "Suzie Woodward" <vestlaybanks@btinternet.com>; "Nottingham List" <NOTTSGEN@rootsweb.com>; "deejayono" <deejayono@ntlworld.com> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [NTT] Robert SAVAGE From: "deejayono" <deejayono@ntlworld.com> > Following on from what Roy discovered, there was no registration of > the birth of a 'Robert Savage' in 1864 at Ilkeston or at any time > around there. However the birth of Robert Saville was registered there > in 1863 (and George Saville in 1865...he appears on the 1871 census > along with Robert) Best wishes Dave Johnson > Good spot, Dave! I reckon that's probably him, since you are quite right when you point out that a George Saville appears on the 1871 with Robert and parents Henry and Ann GREBBY. FreeBMD has the possible marriage of a John SAVILLE and Ann ATTENBOROUGH at Basford RD (in which Ilkeston, Derbyshire, then lay even though most of Basford was in Nottinghamshire), in Jun qrtr 1862, vol 7b page 179. Did John die and the widowed Ann then marry Henry Grebby at Nottingham in 1871, just before the census? I can find no matching death for a John Saville. Maybe Ann left him and committed bigamy!!! But how did Saville become Savage? Curiouser and curiouser - but, of course, this is the great joy of family history, isn't it? -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

From: "Roy Stockdill" <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> > From: "deejayono" <deejayono@ntlworld.com> > > > Following on from what Roy discovered, there was no registration of > > the birth of a 'Robert Savage' in 1864 at Ilkeston or at any time > > around there. However the birth of Robert Saville was registered > > there in 1863 (and George Saville in 1865...he appears on the 1871 > > census along with Robert) Best wishes Dave Johnson > > > Good spot, Dave! I reckon that's probably him, since you are quite > right when you point out that a George Saville appears on the 1871 > with Robert and parents Henry and Ann GREBBY. > > FreeBMD has the possible marriage of a John SAVILLE and Ann > ATTENBOROUGH at Basford RD (in which Ilkeston, Derbyshire, then lay > even though most of Basford was in Nottinghamshire), in Jun qrtr 1862, > vol 7b page 179. Did John die and the widowed Ann then marry Henry > Grebby at Nottingham in 1871, just before the census? I can find no > matching death for a John Saville. Maybe Ann left him and committed > bigamy!!! But how did Saville become Savage? > > Curiouser and curiouser - but, of course, this is the great joy of > family history, isn't it? > The 1871 census shows Ann Grebby as being born circa 1846 at Ilkeston. FreeBMD has an Ann Attenborough born in Basford registration district, which included Ilkeston, in the Dec quarter of 1844, vol 15 page 442. In 1861 this Ann(e) is aged 16, approx birth 1845, and a servant doing house work at Little Hallam, Ilkeston, but she is not found in that name in 1871 and neither is John Saville. My tentative prognosis: Ann Attenborough born 1844 married John Saville in 1862, John then died or cleared off and she married Henry Grebby in 1871 -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

From: Jean WOOD <jeangrahame@orange.fr> > But how did Saville become Savage?-- > > Roy Stockdill > > Universal education did not begin till the 1870s and not really fully > then - add in regional accents ----- > > Jean > I agree but Ilkeston and Nottingham (where Ann married in 1871) are virtually next to one another! Would a Nottingham vicar and/or registrar really not understand someone from Ilkeston or is it more likely that Ann wasn't sure whether her married name (from her first husband) was Saville or Savage? -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

I tried the 1881 census too, also with no success, and I did look at all listed in a 2 year band, but I noticed that sevearl of the other Savages had Irish connexions. If his second wife was born in Dublin, what about the possibility that the whole family went there, met second wife there perhaps (or met her in England then went there) and spent some time there before the children returned later on. You could of course also try Scotland and perhaps military connexions, but I would certainly look first at Ireland. Jean > Message du 07/02/09 11:28 > De : "Suzie Woodward" > A : "Nottingham List" > Copie à : > Objet : [NTT] Robert SAVAGE > > > Am rejoining this list to see if someone can help me with Robert SAVAGE. > > Robert was b 1864 in Ilkeston. His father was Henry, an iron moulder. > Can't find Robert in 1881. > > He married Sarah WHEATLEY in 1884 in Nottingham. > Robert & Sarah had 5 children between 1884 and 1895: > Emmeline, Harry, Adelaide, Ernest and Bertha. > > I believe Sarah died, possibly after childbirth, in 1895, and Robert married > again. > > His second marriage was to Catherine HEAL(E)Y who was b 1867 in Dublin. > > My problem is I cannot find Robert, Sarah or any of the children in 1891. > I have got Robert and family in 1901 and 1911 in Miles Platting, Manchester. > > I know I could send for the second marriage certificate which would give me > details of Sarah's father, but just thought I'd check in with the list > first. > > Also realise that maybe I should be on the Derbyshire list too... > > Regards > Suzie (from Orkney) > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Jean Wood 11 impasse Pampanie chez Perineau 17610 Chaniers France Tel: 0033(0)5.46.93.38.71

From: "deejayono" <deejayono@ntlworld.com> > Following on from what Roy discovered, there was no registration of > the birth of a 'Robert Savage' in 1864 at Ilkeston or at any time > around there. However the birth of Robert Saville was registered there > in 1863 (and George Saville in 1865...he appears on the 1871 census > along with Robert) Best wishes Dave Johnson > Good spot, Dave! I reckon that's probably him, since you are quite right when you point out that a George Saville appears on the 1871 with Robert and parents Henry and Ann GREBBY. FreeBMD has the possible marriage of a John SAVILLE and Ann ATTENBOROUGH at Basford RD (in which Ilkeston, Derbyshire, then lay even though most of Basford was in Nottinghamshire), in Jun qrtr 1862, vol 7b page 179. Did John die and the widowed Ann then marry Henry Grebby at Nottingham in 1871, just before the census? I can find no matching death for a John Saville. Maybe Ann left him and committed bigamy!!! But how did Saville become Savage? Curiouser and curiouser - but, of course, this is the great joy of family history, isn't it? -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Following on from what Roy discovered, there was no registration of the birth of a 'Robert Savage' in 1864 at Ilkeston or at any time around there. However the birth of Robert Saville was registered there in 1863 (and George Saville in 1865...he appears on the 1871 census along with Robert) Best wishes Dave Johnson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzie Woodward" <vestlaybanks@btinternet.com> To: "Nottingham List" <NOTTSGEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 10:27 AM Subject: [NTT] Robert SAVAGE > Am rejoining this list to see if someone can help me with Robert SAVAGE. > > Robert was b 1864 in Ilkeston. His father was Henry, an iron moulder. > Can't find Robert in 1881. > > He married Sarah WHEATLEY in 1884 in Nottingham. > Robert & Sarah had 5 children between 1884 and 1895: > Emmeline, Harry, Adelaide, Ernest and Bertha. > > I believe Sarah died, possibly after childbirth, in 1895, and Robert > married > again. > > His second marriage was to Catherine HEAL(E)Y who was b 1867 in Dublin. > > My problem is I cannot find Robert, Sarah or any of the children in 1891. > I have got Robert and family in 1901 and 1911 in Miles Platting, > Manchester. > > I know I could send for the second marriage certificate which would give > me > details of Sarah's father, but just thought I'd check in with the list > first. > > Also realise that maybe I should be on the Derbyshire list too... > > Regards > Suzie (from Orkney) > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Suzie This may be barking up completely the wrong tree, but there is a family in Newton Lancs in the 1891 census (RG12 3251 Fo: 84) that appears to match the details you give below for Robert and Sarah and their oldest 3 children, but the surname appears to be GRIBBY. I had previously looked for Robert in the 1871 census as I've lost a Henry SAVAGE from one of my ancestral families, and wondered if he might turn out to be your Robert's father, but couldn't find him. However, having now seen the 1891 entry, I checked back and think Robert might be in Ilkeston with the surname SAVILLE, with his father Henry's surname being (I think) GREBBY. (Ancestry have transcribed it as GABBY.) The reference for this entry is RG10 3483 fo: 80. If the father Henry's surname was GRIBBY or GREBBY then I don't suppose he is my missing Henry Savage, particularly as the birthplace is wrong, but maybe this will help you get somewhere with your family. Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzie Woodward" <vestlaybanks@btinternet.com> To: "Nottingham List" <NOTTSGEN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 10:27 AM Subject: [NTT] Robert SAVAGE > Am rejoining this list to see if someone can help me with Robert SAVAGE. > > Robert was b 1864 in Ilkeston. His father was Henry, an iron moulder. > Can't find Robert in 1881. > > He married Sarah WHEATLEY in 1884 in Nottingham. > Robert & Sarah had 5 children between 1884 and 1895: > Emmeline, Harry, Adelaide, Ernest and Bertha. > > I believe Sarah died, possibly after childbirth, in 1895, and Robert > married > again. > > His second marriage was to Catherine HEAL(E)Y who was b 1867 in Dublin. > > My problem is I cannot find Robert, Sarah or any of the children in 1891. > I have got Robert and family in 1901 and 1911 in Miles Platting, > Manchester. > > I know I could send for the second marriage certificate which would give > me > details of Sarah's father, but just thought I'd check in with the list > first. > > Also realise that maybe I should be on the Derbyshire list too... > > Regards > Suzie (from Orkney)

Hallo Roy....and also David and Pat Thank you all so much for your quick responses. Wow!! I searched and searched using Robert's name and Sarah, and then I looked for the children with name variants too but nothing came up for me. Thank you very much for this; I too think it sounds as if he's my man! Thanks also for sending the references as I can now search on that and look at the census myself on Ancestry. Interesting to see that address 21 Aspell Street, Newton. When Robert married the second time, he gave his address as 3 Aspell Street, so that makes it all seem to fit even more, doesn't it. I don't have Robert's birth certificate as I couldn't find a suitable birth reference which clicked for me, but now with all this new information perhaps I'll be able track it down and send for it. This is just great. Many thanks to all; once the rugby is finished today, I'll set to more research! Suzie (from Orkney) >From "Roy Stockdill" <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> To: "Nottingham List" <NOTTSGEN@rootsweb.com>; "Suzie Woodward" <vestlaybanks@btinternet.com> From: "Suzie Woodward" <vestlaybanks@btinternet.com> > Robert was b 1864 in Ilkeston. His father was Henry, an iron moulder. > Can't find Robert in 1881. > > He married Sarah WHEATLEY in 1884 in Nottingham. > Robert & Sarah had 5 children between 1884 and 1895: > Emmeline, Harry, Adelaide, Ernest and Bertha. > > I believe Sarah died, possibly after childbirth, in 1895, and Robert > married again. > > His second marriage was to Catherine HEAL(E)Y who was b 1867 in > Dublin. > > My problem is I cannot find Robert, Sarah or any of the children in > 1891. I have got Robert and family in 1901 and 1911 in Miles Platting, > Manchester. > > I know I could send for the second marriage certificate which would > give me details of Sarah's father, but just thought I'd check in with > the list first. > > Regards > Suzie (from Orkney) > I think I have solved it with a bit of lateral thinking and searching, which is what you very often need to employ in this business! Robert Savage appears to be found in some censuses as Robert GRIBBY or GREBBY. I suggest he was perhaps born illegitimate and used both this name and SAVAGE. In 1891 - and it MUST be them - there is a Robert Gribby, iron moulder, born Ilkeston 1864, with wife Sarah, 26, b Cossall, Notts, with 3 children - Emmaline, Harry and Adelaide - plus a Nellie Gribby, aged 17, also born Ilkeston, plus two boarders living at 21 Aspell St, Newton, Manchester. The PRO reference is: RG12 Piece no. 3251, folio 84, page 32. In 1871 Robert is found as Robert SAVILLE, aged 7, son of Henry and Ann GREBBY [sic] in the civil parish of Ilkeston but in Basford, Notts, registration district. Ref: RG10 Piece 3483, folio 80, page 42. The name Saville was probably an enumerator's error. In 1881 he is found as Robert GREBBY, 17, an iron moulder like his father, son of Henry and Ann, still at Ilkeston in Basford RD, with seven siblings. Ref: RG11 3327, folio 121, page 3. I feel quite certain this is the same man in all censuses and, as I suggested, he was probably illegitimate - his original surname probably being SAVAGE - and then his mother married Henry GRIBBY or GREBBY. Confusing but this is a far from rare situation! Do you have Robert's birth certificate? Was there a father on it or was he born illegitimate to Ann Savage? You will find the potential marriage of HENRY GREBBY to ANN SAVAGE at Nottingham in the Mar quarter of 1871 - FreeBMD 7b 281. Problem solved, I believe. However, this kind of research with lateral thinking - i.e. putting in just a first name and birthdate and birthplace with no surname - needs a good deal of experience in searching censuses and I hope you will find this little lesson of use in the future. -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi   I agree with Roy, I have found them too in Newton Lancs under the name of GRABBY.   If you want a copy of the 1891 census please let me know. Pat Williams

From: "Suzie Woodward" <vestlaybanks@btinternet.com> > Am rejoining this list to see if someone can help me with Robert > SAVAGE. > > Robert was b 1864 in Ilkeston. His father was Henry, an iron moulder. > Can't find Robert in 1881. > > He married Sarah WHEATLEY in 1884 in Nottingham. > Robert & Sarah had 5 children between 1884 and 1895: > Emmeline, Harry, Adelaide, Ernest and Bertha. > > I believe Sarah died, possibly after childbirth, in 1895, and Robert > married again. > > His second marriage was to Catherine HEAL(E)Y who was b 1867 in > Dublin. > > My problem is I cannot find Robert, Sarah or any of the children in > 1891. I have got Robert and family in 1901 and 1911 in Miles Platting, > Manchester. > > I know I could send for the second marriage certificate which would > give me details of Sarah's father, but just thought I'd check in with > the list first. > > Also realise that maybe I should be on the Derbyshire list too... > > Regards > Suzie (from Orkney) > I think I have solved it with a bit of lateral thinking and searching, which is what you very often need to employ in this business! Robert Savage appears to be found in some censuses as Robert GRIBBY or GREBBY. I suggest he was perhaps born illegitimate and used both this name and SAVAGE. In 1891 - and it MUST be them - there is a Robert Gribby, iron moulder, born Ilkeston 1864, with wife Sarah, 26, b Cossall, Notts, with 3 children - Emmaline, Harry and Adelaide - plus a Nellie Gribby, aged 17, also born Ilkeston, plus two boarders living at 21 Aspell St, Newton, Manchester. The PRO reference is: RG12 Piece no. 3251, folio 84, page 32. In 1871 Robert is found as Robert SAVILLE, aged 7, son of Henry and Ann GREBBY [sic] in the civil parish of Ilkeston but in Basford, Notts, registration district. Ref: RG10 Piece 3483, folio 80, page 42. The name Saville was probably an enumerator's error. In 1881 he is found as Robert GREBBY, 17, an iron moulder like his father, son of Henry and Ann, still at Ilkeston in Basford RD, with seven siblings. Ref: RG11 3327, folio 121, page 3. I feel quite certain this is the same man in all censuses and, as I suggested, he was probably illegitimate - his original surname probably being SAVAGE - and then his mother married Henry GRIBBY or GREBBY. Confusing but this is a far from rare situation! Do you have Robert's birth certificate? Was there a father on it or was he born illegitimate to Ann Savage? You will find the potential marriage of HENRY GREBBY to ANN SAVAGE at Nottingham in the Mar quarter of 1871 - FreeBMD 7b 281. Problem solved, I believe. However, this kind of research with lateral thinking - i.e. putting in just a first name and birthdate and birthplace with no surname - needs a good deal of experience in searching censuses and I hope you will find this little lesson of use in the future. -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Am rejoining this list to see if someone can help me with Robert SAVAGE. Robert was b 1864 in Ilkeston. His father was Henry, an iron moulder. Can't find Robert in 1881. He married Sarah WHEATLEY in 1884 in Nottingham. Robert & Sarah had 5 children between 1884 and 1895: Emmeline, Harry, Adelaide, Ernest and Bertha. I believe Sarah died, possibly after childbirth, in 1895, and Robert married again. His second marriage was to Catherine HEAL(E)Y who was b 1867 in Dublin. My problem is I cannot find Robert, Sarah or any of the children in 1891. I have got Robert and family in 1901 and 1911 in Miles Platting, Manchester. I know I could send for the second marriage certificate which would give me details of Sarah's father, but just thought I'd check in with the list first. Also realise that maybe I should be on the Derbyshire list too... Regards Suzie (from Orkney)

How I wish spring was here...........Basford, Beeston, East Retford, Newark, Nottingham and Radford. Barbara you have just made my day...thank you. All I need now are the "T's" in th Coroners Lists. Thank you for cheering me up on another cold and snowy day in Coatbridge (at least it won't be -7 degrees today ) Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: "barbara kilby-croft" <barbarakilby-croft@live.co.uk> To: <> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 12:28 PM Subject: [NTT] PREVIEW TO THE SPRING LISTS! Good morning all, Well, if you're like me today, snowed under, snowed out and snowed up, with boots that have sprung a leak, a dog who thinks walks in the snow are for pups only and therefore dashes under the couch at the sight of the lead - I thought a little cheering up might be in order. Of course if you're sweltering in Oz you perhaps think I should be grateful for the cold!! But no doubt you're in need of cheering up too!. So here is the list of places we shall be visiting in the spring - can't give you a date yet as I am still transcribing. ARNOLD ASLOCKTON BASFORD BEESTON BULWELL CARLTON IN LINDRICK DARLTON EAST BRIDGFORD EAST KIRKBY EAST RETFORD HUCKNALL TORKARD KEYWORTH LOWDHAM MANSFIELD WOODHOUSE NEWARK NOTTINGHAM RADFORD RETFORD SHELFORD SNEINTON WORKSOP We'll be looking at Anglican Baptisms, Marriages and Burials Non-Conformist Baptisms, Marriages and (rarer than hens teeth) a burial list. There will be the usual Coroner's Courts lists and one for putting some 'meat on the bones', possibly, School Transfer lists for the 1930's and 40's. I hope that has whetted your appetites - so get those old notes you'd written about that distant cousin maybe on the back of a packet of Woodbines or an old brown envelope (before you knew better of course). And get ready to be transported back to the Notts of old - I'm starting to notice that when some people refer to the 'old days' - they mean the days of my childhood! Very worrying. If you're new to the lists and unsure what to do or ask etc, then please get in touch with me. I don't bite and I'm always pleased to help if I can so just jump in! best wishes Barbara _________________________________________________________________ Twice the fun—Share photos while you chat with Windows Live Messenger. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/uk/windows/windowslive/products/messenger.aspx Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message