Hi Everyone, I almost never respond to the list topics and make a point of not posting off-topic material, but for once I will transgress. The mention of bunnies and Easter revived a memory of a display in January in a back-street shop in Shanghai some years ago, which showed a rabbit nailed to a cross with an Easter egg at its feet and a caption "Nappy Christmas" Regards John Poxon From: P WILLIAMS To: John Cc: nottsgen Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [NTT] Registration of illegitimate birth Hi John I love confusion :) I've been confused for many years, in fact I'm still confused over the term Easter Bunnies...What on earth has a Rabbit got to do with it all, they don't even lay eggs.

Dear Nivard (and others who have chipped in) Many thanks once again. I think I have wasted enough of your and your contact's time. I think if I am going to get any further I shall have to get on to the District Registrar. Just to set the record straight. 1. I even muddled myself into correcting the page no. earlier. Of course the entries are on separate pages in the actual index, but the GRO ref page rerence no. is the same. 2. Although there are separate entries in the index, identical except for surname, there is only one certificate (or at least I got the same one against both entries). 3. The parents are both shown as informants on that certificate. Without being a fly on the wall in 1931, I doubt that I am going to get to the bottom of it. When I started this off, I was wondering whether it was a matter of general policy to list in this way, but from what people have said it could be down to any number of reasons. At least I know reasonably certainly that only one birth was involved. Once again my thanks. Have a Happy Easter. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: "John" <john.townend@o2.co.uk> Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [NTT] Registration of illegitimate birth > Hi John > > I have had a reply from my contact who is a retired Registrar > > His reply copied below > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > I have four questions. Who was/were the informants on each registration? > Were the entry numbers on the certificates the same? - i.e. in the first > column if it's a long certificate, or in the top right hand corner if it's > an A4 certificate. Were the registration dates the same? Was it the same > registrar on both certificates? > > When I was a registrar, a man came in one day to register his child. He > was > married to the mother. No problem - just a run of the mill registration. > > Two days later, his wife came in with her lover, to register their child - > the same child. Because we were using computers, I was able to identify > that > the child had already been registered, and I couldn't accept the second > registration without the husband coming in to ask for the first > registration > to be cancelled. Complication - he didn't know that the child wasn't his! > So > the mother had to come clean with him before anything could be done. > > If the case you mention was before the days of computers, then perhaps the > circumstances were similar to those I experienced, and two registrations > were made without the registrar realising. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > If you want to comment I can ask again , the last part does not sound as > though it applies in your case > > Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > > > > >>>> There is only one certificate, or to be more precise, two identical >>>> copies of the same one. There are two entries in the GRO Indexes, >>>> which when used to order certicicates have the same result. So it is >>>> not a question of re-registration but of dual recording of the first >>>> registration. >>>> >>>> Both parents had been married before and did not re-marry each other >>>> although they lived together thereafter, so presumably neither was >>>> divorced from the first spouse. >>>> Regards >>>> John >>> >>> >> >> > >

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: <nottingham-city-centre-churches@yahoogroups.com> Date: 2009/4/9 Subject: All Saints, St Mary's and St. Peter's - New history of St. Mary's published today. To: nottingham-city-centre-churches@yahoogroups.com A new history of St. Mary's has been published on the Southwell Diocesan Church History project website today (Maundy Thursday). http://southwellchurches.nottingham.ac.uk/nottingham-st-mary/hintro.php Brian and Pauline Miller have visited many libraries and archive offices across the country to compile this new history of St. Mary's from original sources. There is much here to read that has not been published before. The text is enhanced with many pictures, plans and drawings. Brian and Pauline are to be congratulated on this splendid achievement. hugh papatoetoe, new zealand facebook: http://profile.to/hughwinters Emo Philips <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/e/emo_philips.html> - "A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing."

Thanks Hugh for the information. What an informative site. Anyone know how to get information on all the burials in the church yards as well as if any of those that were moved elsewhere? I've been kind of out of it for my genealogy for awhile. I think I may even owe a couple people emails. If I do feel free to re-email me. I haven't added everything yet from my files. And do to income don't have subscription to Ancestry right now. Cheryl Researching: NEEDHAM, STANLEY, STRAW, ALCOCK, FISHER, PEACOCK, GREEN ----- Original Message ----- From: "hugh" <winterscollection@gmail.com> To: <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 3:08 AM Subject: [NTT] Fwd: All Saints,St Mary's and St. Peter's - New history of St. Mary's publishedtoday. > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: <nottingham-city-centre-churches@yahoogroups.com> > Date: 2009/4/9 > Subject: All Saints, St Mary's and St. Peter's - New history of St. Mary's > published today. > To: nottingham-city-centre-churches@yahoogroups.com > > > A new history of St. Mary's has been published on the Southwell Diocesan > Church History project website today (Maundy Thursday). > > http://southwellchurches.nottingham.ac.uk/nottingham-st-mary/hintro.php > > Brian and Pauline Miller have visited many libraries and archive offices > across the country to compile this new history of St. Mary's from original > sources. There is much here to read that has not been published before. > The > text is enhanced with many pictures, plans and drawings. > > Brian and Pauline are to be congratulated on this splendid achievement. > > > > hugh > papatoetoe, new zealand > facebook: http://profile.to/hughwinters > > Emo Philips > http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/e/emo_philips.html> - > "A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick > boxing." > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, David. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Ddgretton@aol.com To: john.townend@o2.co.uk ; NOTTSGEN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [NTT] Registration of illegitimate birth Having done some work on various names using the GRO index, I have come across a birth that is indexed no less than 5 times. . 1/ Mothers married name (but not father of the child's name) + Mother's maiden name 2/Mother's maiden name ( as she was separated or divorced from ex-husband) + Mother's maiden name 3/Biological father of the child's name hyphenated with mother's married name + Mother's maiden name 4/Biological father of the child's name hyphenated with mother's maiden name + Mother's maiden name 5/(after the couple had married) Couple's surname + Mother's maiden name I hope this helps David in Ilkeston In a message dated 10/04/2009 11:07:54 GMT Standard Time, john.townend@o2.co.uk writes: Sorry, Nivard, I'm not doing very well. There is only one certificate, or to be more precise, two identical copies of the same one. There are two entries in the GRO Indexes, which when used to order certicicates have the same result. So it is not a question of re-registration but of dual recording of the first registration. Both parents had been married before and did not re-marry each other although they lived together thereafter, so presumably neither was divorced from the first spouse. Regards John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: "John" <john.townend@o2.co.uk>; <nottsgen-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [NTT] Registration of illegitimate birth > Hi John > > OK so if I interpret your post correctly this time > > You have two certificates, the first in in the mothers maiden name and the > second in the fathers name? > > If so it would indicate that the child was born and registered before the > couple married, and subsequently they married and had the registration > legitimised retrospectively > > Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > > > > >> Sorry, Nivard, to have misled you. Thank you very much for your interest >> and prompt reaction. Obviously I was wrong to say same page number as the >> surnames are well apart alphabetically. >> >> No, there is only one birth but it is appears twice in the indexes, i.e >> >> First entry >> Surname X, Christian name Y, Mother's maiden name Z, District D, Vol. Nb, >> Page No. ppp. >> >> Second entry >> Surname W, Christian name Y, Mother's maiden name Z, District D, Vol Nb, >> Page No. qqq. >> >> So, only the child's surname and the page no. differ. >> >> Identical certificates have been supplied for each entry. The surname >> for the first entry is the fathers's; that for the second entry is that >> of the mother's husband. She is shown on the certificate as "Jane" W, >> formerly Z (homeduties). >> >> John > > Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks again, Nivard. I will pursue the options you suggest. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: "John" <john.townend@o2.co.uk>; <nottsgen-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [NTT] Registration of illegitimate birth > Hi John > > No problem, its very hard sometimes to get a point across in email, we > know what we mean when posting an enquiry but its not that easy to let > others understand what we know :-) > > If the GRO were informed of an event they would register it, if > subsequently they found a difference in that registration (or were > informed of one) they would re-record it with the first remaining in the > index > > If they had made a mistake whilst registering the registrar would have > altered the certificate and added a number to the alteration > > If there are two entries in the GRO index there has to be a cause, have > you been back to the Registrars office that originally sent the event to > the GRO? > > Or asked the GRO ? > > I have asked for advice from an ex Registrar to see if they could give an > opinion > > I will let you know if they can advise > > Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > > > >> Sorry, Nivard, I'm not doing very well. >> >> There is only one certificate, or to be more precise, two identical >> copies of the same one. There are two entries in the GRO Indexes, which >> when used to order certicicates have the same result. So it is not a >> question of re-registration but of dual recording of the first >> registration. >> >> Both parents had been married before and did not re-marry each other >> although they lived together thereafter, so presumably neither was >> divorced from the first spouse. >> Regards >> John > >

Hello all, Through the years of 'popping in and out' of the NOTTSGEN, I have never noticed anyone researching Sutton-cum-Lound, nr. Retford. I believe I had family there in the 1700's, some branches of which must have remained while my main ancestors moved away. Judging by the number of names I have found on IGI, they must have formed quite a percentage of the population of this little rural community. The name is KNIGHT.... does anyone out there have such an interest in their list? Happy Easter Sandra Turner (nee Knight)

Hi John No problem, its very hard sometimes to get a point across in email, we know what we mean when posting an enquiry but its not that easy to let others understand what we know :-) If the GRO were informed of an event they would register it, if subsequently they found a difference in that registration (or were informed of one) they would re-record it with the first remaining in the index If they had made a mistake whilst registering the registrar would have altered the certificate and added a number to the alteration If there are two entries in the GRO index there has to be a cause, have you been back to the Registrars office that originally sent the event to the GRO? Or asked the GRO ? I have asked for advice from an ex Registrar to see if they could give an opinion I will let you know if they can advise Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > Sorry, Nivard, I'm not doing very well. > > There is only one certificate, or to be more precise, two identical copies > of the same one. There are two entries in the GRO Indexes, which when > used to order certicicates have the same result. So it is not a question > of re-registration but of dual recording of the first registration. > > Both parents had been married before and did not re-marry each other > although they lived together thereafter, so presumably neither was > divorced from the first spouse. > Regards > John

Thanks again, Pat. Both parents are shown on the certificate as informants. We don't of course know whether they had a disagreement in front of the Registrar or how he actually recorded the events John ----- Original Message ----- From: P WILLIAMS To: John Cc: nottsgen Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [NTT] Registration of illegitimate birth Hi John I love confusion :) I've been confused for many years, in fact I'm still confused over the term Easter Bunnies...What on earth has a Rabbit got to do with it all, they don't even lay eggs. Going back to your original question. They way I see it is that the registrar took the information from the person who actually registered it at the time. If the person was born a Smith but he was a really a brown, but the mother was a Smith at the time, then it may be right that it was correct and would have saved embarrassment :) Oh dear! Duplicate records are often recorded by mistake, but if I had been in your shoes, at the time you ordered the 2nd cert I would have asked if the information was the same and if so please don't send. This would mean writing of course to the actual register office. The GRO would have charged about £4.00 to check. All the best to you Pat Williams --- On Fri, 10/4/09, John <john.townend@o2.co.uk> wrote: From: John <john.townend@o2.co.uk> Subject: Re: [NTT] Registration of illegitimate birth To: "P WILLIAMS" <p.williams352@btinternet.com> Cc: "nottsgen" <nottsgen-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, 10 April, 2009, 11:07 AM Thanks, Pat. Please see my two later responses to Nivard Ovington. I seem to have confused everyone - I have a horrible feeling that I'm going to be spoiling a lot of Easters! Thanks for your interest. ----- Original Message ----- From: P WILLIAMS To: John Cc: nottsgen Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [NTT] Registration of illegitimate birth Hi John I have a similar birth certificate. My Frederick Cresswell b.1851 mother Elizabeth Cresswell. I know that the mother was married to William Cresswell, but he died in 1849 so yes she used her surname at the time and did not put the fathers name on the certificate or her maiden name which was Goodall. What I did was get a earlier birth certificate for 1839 this gave the father and her her maiden name. I agree with Nivard, it depends what the registrar asked at the time and if her previous marriage had not been dissolved she would have given her said name at the time, because she had not remarried at the time. Have you got her first marriage certificate? Hope this helps. Pat Williams --- On Fri, 10/4/09, John <john.townend@o2.co.uk> wrote: From: John <john.townend@o2.co.uk> Subject: [NTT] Registration of illegitimate birth To: nottsgen-L@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, 10 April, 2009, 9:50 AM I wonder if some kind lister could help me with a general query and that it will not be regarded as "off topic". Was it usual for a birth to unmarried parents to be listed in the registers under both surnames? I have a birth registered in March quarter 1931. The mother's maiden name, district, volume and page for both entries are identical. I had one certificate and sent for the second which is identical. The second surname is the mother's name by an earlier marriage, not dissolved. Would this have been done by the registrar or at the request of one or both parents? Grateful for any help - I have not been able to find this point covered in the books or sites which have looked at. John Townend Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Pat. Please see my two later responses to Nivard Ovington. I seem to have confused everyone - I have a horrible feeling that I'm going to be spoiling a lot of Easters! Thanks for your interest. ----- Original Message ----- From: P WILLIAMS To: John Cc: nottsgen Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [NTT] Registration of illegitimate birth Hi John I have a similar birth certificate. My Frederick Cresswell b.1851 mother Elizabeth Cresswell. I know that the mother was married to William Cresswell, but he died in 1849 so yes she used her surname at the time and did not put the fathers name on the certificate or her maiden name which was Goodall. What I did was get a earlier birth certificate for 1839 this gave the father and her her maiden name. I agree with Nivard, it depends what the registrar asked at the time and if her previous marriage had not been dissolved she would have given her said name at the time, because she had not remarried at the time. Have you got her first marriage certificate? Hope this helps. Pat Williams --- On Fri, 10/4/09, John <john.townend@o2.co.uk> wrote: From: John <john.townend@o2.co.uk> Subject: [NTT] Registration of illegitimate birth To: nottsgen-L@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, 10 April, 2009, 9:50 AM I wonder if some kind lister could help me with a general query and that it will not be regarded as "off topic". Was it usual for a birth to unmarried parents to be listed in the registers under both surnames? I have a birth registered in March quarter 1931. The mother's maiden name, district, volume and page for both entries are identical. I had one certificate and sent for the second which is identical. The second surname is the mother's name by an earlier marriage, not dissolved. Would this have been done by the registrar or at the request of one or both parents? Grateful for any help - I have not been able to find this point covered in the books or sites which have looked at. John Townend Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry, Nivard, I'm not doing very well. There is only one certificate, or to be more precise, two identical copies of the same one. There are two entries in the GRO Indexes, which when used to order certicicates have the same result. So it is not a question of re-registration but of dual recording of the first registration. Both parents had been married before and did not re-marry each other although they lived together thereafter, so presumably neither was divorced from the first spouse. Regards John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: "John" <john.townend@o2.co.uk>; <nottsgen-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [NTT] Registration of illegitimate birth > Hi John > > OK so if I interpret your post correctly this time > > You have two certificates, the first in in the mothers maiden name and the > second in the fathers name? > > If so it would indicate that the child was born and registered before the > couple married, and subsequently they married and had the registration > legitimised retrospectively > > Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > > > > >> Sorry, Nivard, to have misled you. Thank you very much for your interest >> and prompt reaction. Obviously I was wrong to say same page number as the >> surnames are well apart alphabetically. >> >> No, there is only one birth but it is appears twice in the indexes, i.e >> >> First entry >> Surname X, Christian name Y, Mother's maiden name Z, District D, Vol. Nb, >> Page No. ppp. >> >> Second entry >> Surname W, Christian name Y, Mother's maiden name Z, District D, Vol Nb, >> Page No. qqq. >> >> So, only the child's surname and the page no. differ. >> >> Identical certificates have been supplied for each entry. The surname >> for the first entry is the fathers's; that for the second entry is that >> of the mother's husband. She is shown on the certificate as "Jane" W, >> formerly Z (homeduties). >> >> John > >

Hi John OK so if I interpret your post correctly this time You have two certificates, the first in in the mothers maiden name and the second in the fathers name? If so it would indicate that the child was born and registered before the couple married, and subsequently they married and had the registration legitimised retrospectively Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > Sorry, Nivard, to have misled you. Thank you very much for your interest > and prompt reaction. Obviously I was wrong to say same page number as the > surnames are well apart alphabetically. > > No, there is only one birth but it is appears twice in the indexes, i.e > > First entry > Surname X, Christian name Y, Mother's maiden name Z, District D, Vol. Nb, > Page No. ppp. > > Second entry > Surname W, Christian name Y, Mother's maiden name Z, District D, Vol Nb, > Page No. qqq. > > So, only the child's surname and the page no. differ. > > Identical certificates have been supplied for each entry. The surname for > the first entry is the fathers's; that for the second entry is that of the > mother's husband. She is shown on the certificate as "Jane" W, formerly Z > (homeduties). > > John

Sorry, Nivard, to have misled you. Thank you very much for your interest and prompt reaction. Obviously I was wrong to say same page number as the surnames are well apart alphabetically. No, there is only one birth but it is appears twice in the indexes, i.e First entry Surname X, Christian name Y, Mother's maiden name Z, District D, Vol. Nb, Page No. ppp. Second entry Surname W, Christian name Y, Mother's maiden name Z, District D, Vol Nb, Page No. qqq. So, only the child's surname and the page no. differ. Identical certificates have been supplied for each entry. The surname for the first entry is the fathers's; that for the second entry is that of the mother's husband. She is shown on the certificate as "Jane" W, formerly Z (homeduties). John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: "John" <john.townend@o2.co.uk>; <nottsgen-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [NTT] Registration of illegitimate birth > Hi John > > Not sure I understand your enquiry correctly > > Do you mean two separate certificates for two children with different > details on ? > > The details recorded are as given or rather as asked for by the Registrar > > Theoretically the father had to be there for his name to be recorded if > they were unmarried > > If the registrar asked the right question (or a slightly different one) > they might get a different reply from the mother > > Sorry if I misunderstand you > > Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > > > >>I wonder if some kind lister could help me with a general query and that >>it will not be regarded as "off topic". >> >> Was it usual for a birth to unmarried parents to be listed in the >> registers under both surnames? I have a birth registered in March >> quarter 1931. The mother's maiden name, district, volume and page for >> both entries are identical. I had one certificate and sent for the >> second which is identical. The second surname is the mother's name by an >> earlier marriage, not dissolved. Would this have been done by the >> registrar or at the request of one or both parents? >> >> Grateful for any help - I have not been able to find this point covered >> in the books or sites which have looked at. >> >> John Townend > >

Hi John   I love confusion :) I've been confused for many years, in fact I'm still confused over the term Easter Bunnies...What on earth has a Rabbit got to do with it all, they don't even lay eggs.   Going back to your original question. They way I see it is that the registrar took the information from the person who actually registered it at the time. If the person was born a Smith but he was a really a brown, but the mother was a Smith at the time, then it may be right that it was correct and would have saved embarrassment  :) Oh dear! Duplicate records are often recorded by mistake, but if I had been in your shoes, at the time you ordered the 2nd cert I would have asked if the information was the same and if so please don't send. This would mean writing of course to the actual register office. The GRO would have charged about £4.00 to check. All the best to you Pat Williams --- On Fri, 10/4/09, John <john.townend@o2.co.uk> wrote: From: John <john.townend@o2.co.uk> Subject: Re: [NTT] Registration of illegitimate birth To: "P WILLIAMS" <p.williams352@btinternet.com> Cc: "nottsgen" <nottsgen-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, 10 April, 2009, 11:07 AM Thanks, Pat. Please see my two later responses to Nivard Ovington.  I seem to have confused everyone - I have a horrible feeling that I'm going to be spoiling a lot of Easters! Thanks for your interest. ----- Original Message ----- From: P WILLIAMS To: John Cc: nottsgen Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [NTT] Registration of illegitimate birth Hi John   I have a similar birth certificate. My Frederick Cresswell b.1851 mother Elizabeth Cresswell. I know that the mother was married to William Cresswell, but he died in 1849 so yes she used her surname at the time and did not put the fathers name on the certificate or her maiden name which was Goodall.   What I did was get a earlier birth certificate for 1839 this gave the father and her her maiden name.   I agree with Nivard, it depends what the registrar asked at the time and if her previous marriage had not been dissolved she would have given her said name at the time, because she had not remarried at the time. Have you got her first marriage certificate?   Hope this helps.   Pat Williams --- On Fri, 10/4/09, John <john.townend@o2.co.uk> wrote: From: John <john.townend@o2.co.uk> Subject: [NTT] Registration of illegitimate birth To: nottsgen-L@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, 10 April, 2009, 9:50 AM I wonder if some kind lister could help me with a general query and that it will not be regarded as "off topic". Was it usual for a birth to unmarried parents to be listed in the registers under both surnames? I have a birth registered in March quarter 1931. The mother's maiden name, district, volume and page for both entries are identical. I had one certificate and sent for the second which is identical. The second surname is the mother's name by an earlier marriage, not dissolved. Would this have been done by the registrar or at the request of one or both parents? Grateful for any help - I have not been able to find this point covered in the books or sites which have looked at. John Townend Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi John Not sure I understand your enquiry correctly Do you mean two separate certificates for two children with different details on ? The details recorded are as given or rather as asked for by the Registrar Theoretically the father had to be there for his name to be recorded if they were unmarried If the registrar asked the right question (or a slightly different one) they might get a different reply from the mother Sorry if I misunderstand you Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) >I wonder if some kind lister could help me with a general query and that it >will not be regarded as "off topic". > > Was it usual for a birth to unmarried parents to be listed in the > registers under both surnames? I have a birth registered in March quarter > 1931. The mother's maiden name, district, volume and page for both > entries are identical. I had one certificate and sent for the second > which is identical. The second surname is the mother's name by an earlier > marriage, not dissolved. Would this have been done by the registrar or at > the request of one or both parents? > > Grateful for any help - I have not been able to find this point covered in > the books or sites which have looked at. > > John Townend

I wonder if some kind lister could help me with a general query and that it will not be regarded as "off topic". Was it usual for a birth to unmarried parents to be listed in the registers under both surnames? I have a birth registered in March quarter 1931. The mother's maiden name, district, volume and page for both entries are identical. I had one certificate and sent for the second which is identical. The second surname is the mother's name by an earlier marriage, not dissolved. Would this have been done by the registrar or at the request of one or both parents? Grateful for any help - I have not been able to find this point covered in the books or sites which have looked at. John Townend

Hi John   I have a similar birth certificate. My Frederick Cresswell b.1851 mother Elizabeth Cresswell. I know that the mother was married to William Cresswell, but he died in 1849 so yes she used her surname at the time and did not put the fathers name on the certificate or her maiden name which was Goodall.   What I did was get a earlier birth certificate for 1839 this gave the father and her her maiden name.   I agree with Nivard, it depends what the registrar asked at the time and if her previous marriage had not been dissolved she would have given her said name at the time, because she had not remarried at the time. Have you got her first marriage certificate?   Hope this helps.   Pat Williams --- On Fri, 10/4/09, John <john.townend@o2.co.uk> wrote: From: John <john.townend@o2.co.uk> Subject: [NTT] Registration of illegitimate birth To: nottsgen-L@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, 10 April, 2009, 9:50 AM I wonder if some kind lister could help me with a general query and that it will not be regarded as "off topic". Was it usual for a birth to unmarried parents to be listed in the registers under both surnames? I have a birth registered in March quarter 1931. The mother's maiden name, district, volume and page for both entries are identical. I had one certificate and sent for the second which is identical. The second surname is the mother's name by an earlier marriage, not dissolved. Would this have been done by the registrar or at the request of one or both parents? Grateful for any help - I have not been able to find this point covered in the books or sites which have looked at. John Townend Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am currently working on East Bridgford Parish Register and have come across the following entry: 1 Sep 1785: Mary the supposed illegitimate daughtr of Elizabeth MELLOWS Note: Elizabeth MELLOWS is the wife of Jonathan MELLOWS who is found to be a bigamist & who livd & cohabitted with his other wife at the time that this child is supposed to have been begotten. I hope this helps someone John MELLORS

Hi Alice, Yippee - I found the marriage for you in Leicestershire transcribed by FreeREG - 24 December 1798 John CLARK Sarah BRAUGHTON Barkstone, Leicestershire No other details given. Cheers Trish Nowra NSW Subject: [NTT] Marriage of John CLARK and Sarah possibly BROUGHTON > Has anyone come across a marriage between John and Sarah, possibly in the > years just before 1800 in Hawksworth or a nearby parish? I know people > didn't necessarily marry before the first child, or at all, but one has > to start > somewhere. > Best wishes > Alice Clarke

Here's one for the Easter Weekend! If you think a relative married at Nottingham Church of St Ann (St Ann's Well Road) May 3rd 1898 - January 31st 1903, then e mail me and I'll check for you. best wishes Barbara _________________________________________________________________ Share your photos with Windows Live Photos – Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/