Jo-Ann, your mention of West Orange, Orange Co, NJ got my attention straight away as I have tracked ancestors in that part of the USA. Straight away I thought of the US Social Security & Death Index (SSDI) which your relative could have been enrolled on. See http://ssdi.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ I did a search for your Arthur Vickers and their is one who might just fit the bill. Arthur Vickers born 3 Jan 1886 died March 1976 Last address Zip 08057 Moorestown, Burlington, NJ Issued by NJ - Social Security nr 152-30-4402 Yes, the birth date is out but everything else seems to fit. Also have a look at the following http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~njessex/ for Family Hisotry info on New Jersey. Essex Co also has a mailing list which is available from the menu on the Left hand side of the page. Regards Mike Greatorex Harrogate, England Looking for all Greatorex's from North Nottinghamshire, Sheffield, Orange Co, NY, USA, Florida and Alabama, USA. http://www.freewebs.com/greatorexfamily/ ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 11:56 PM Subject: [NTT] Dilemma Who lived at 15 Westgate Nottingham in 1911 > > > My husbands grandfather was Arthur Vickers. I started this research > with > the census below. > After the 1920 census he left. I may have some leads. Elizabeth Ann > remarried in the 1930 census. Then I sent for Arthur's birth > certificate. > > Birth date on 1920 USA census 36 abt 1884 > > New Jersey Esssx West Orange District 318 Cross Street. # 313 > > 1920 census,Arthur Vickers > Age: 36 years abt 1884 Birthplace: England Race: White Home in > 1920: West Orange Ward 1, Essex, New Jersey Home Rent Married Head > Able to read Yes Able to Write Yes Mother's Birth Place: England > Father's Birth Place England Image: 863 > Image Source: Year: 1920; Census Place: West Orange Ward 1, Essex, > New > Jersey; Roll: T625_1038; Page: 16B; Enumeration District: 318; Image: 863. > > Arthur was 36, accountant office, Anna (does not say Elizabeth Anna) 32, > Sons: Arthur son 6, Edward son 5 and Elmer son 3 and 4/12, > 1920 census, Roll T625_1038, page 16B, > ED 318, Image 0863, Town of West Orange, County of Essex in NJ > > > Sent for Arthur's birth Certificate > > > Birth Certificate Arthur Vickers born 27 May 1884 Father George Vickers > Former Bleacher, Mother Elizabeth Guyler lives at 15 West Gate Basford > Nottinghamshire. Application number COL820505 > > I have this for his parents > MARRIAGE BMD > Guyler Elizabeth Basford 7b 111 > VICKERS George Basford 7b 111 > George Vickers & Elizabeth Guyler marriage 31 Jan 1882 St Leo's Church, > Bedford, Nottingham > > > > This is Arthur Vickers marriage certificate. > Arthur Vickers 32 Bachelor Manufacturing Stationers Manger Boldmere > residence Boldmere Father George Vickers Brewer deceased married > Elizabeth > Hackett 29 Spinster Bishop's Wood Father John Hackett Retired Butcher. . > Witnessed by John Hackett and Florence Page Bann marriage. ( Age is > different) But marriage to right person. > > On the 1891 Census Nottinghamshire Basford dist 6 pg 31 199 2a Westgate > George Vickers head b.27 abt. 1864 Brewer Laborer .born Oakley > Bedfordshire St. Leo's England, > > Was sent the 1911 Census and if the above parents are right they are not > living at 15 Westgate. Would it be possible for SKS to see who lives at > this > address. I hope it is a relative. > > > Baptism for children of George Vickers and Elizabeth Guyler > George Alfred May 08 1882 > Annie Elizabeth Jan 16 1888 > Ellen March 31 1890 > Mabel March 22 1897 > All at St Leodegarious Church, Bedford, Nottingham abode at time was > given > as Westgate, Basford, Nottingham. Occupation of Father at time was > Bleacher for George Alfred and Mabel and Laborer for Annie Elizabeth and > Ellen. > > I have never found the baptism for Arthur 1884 or Willie born 1893 > > Here is the 1911 census. > 1911 RG14PN20659 RG78PN1232 RD430 SD5 ED26 SN318 > Reg. District: Nottingham Sub District: Bulwell > Parish: Nottingham Enum. District: 26 Census taken 2 April 1911 > > Address: 22 Cheltenham St Old Basford Nottingham > > VICKERS, George 48 1863 Lace Bleacher Oakley Bedfordshire > VICKERS, Elizabeth Married 28 years 48 1863 Hosiery Mender Nottingham > 8 Children born all still living > VICKERS, Ellen 21 1890 Lace Mender Nottingham > VICKERS, William 18 1893 Hosiery Trimmer Nottingham > VICKERS, Mabel 14 1897 Lace Drawer Nottingham > VICKERS, Alfred 11 1900 Nottingham > > Hoping this is enough information to see why I need this address. > > Sincerely > Jo-Ann Vickers > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

My husbands grandfather was Arthur Vickers. I started this research with the census below. After the 1920 census he left. I may have some leads. Elizabeth Ann remarried in the 1930 census. Then I sent for Arthur's birth certificate. Birth date on 1920 USA census 36 abt 1884 New Jersey Esssx West Orange District 318 Cross Street. # 313 1920 census,Arthur Vickers Age: 36 years abt 1884 Birthplace: England Race: White Home in 1920: West Orange Ward 1, Essex, New Jersey Home Rent Married Head Able to read Yes Able to Write Yes Mother's Birth Place: England Father's Birth Place England Image: 863 Image Source: Year: 1920; Census Place: West Orange Ward 1, Essex, New Jersey; Roll: T625_1038; Page: 16B; Enumeration District: 318; Image: 863. Arthur was 36, accountant office, Anna (does not say Elizabeth Anna) 32, Sons: Arthur son 6, Edward son 5 and Elmer son 3 and 4/12, 1920 census, Roll T625_1038, page 16B, ED 318, Image 0863, Town of West Orange, County of Essex in NJ Sent for Arthur's birth Certificate Birth Certificate Arthur Vickers born 27 May 1884 Father George Vickers Former Bleacher, Mother Elizabeth Guyler lives at 15 West Gate Basford Nottinghamshire. Application number COL820505 I have this for his parents MARRIAGE BMD Guyler Elizabeth Basford 7b 111 VICKERS George Basford 7b 111 George Vickers & Elizabeth Guyler marriage 31 Jan 1882 St Leo's Church, Bedford, Nottingham This is Arthur Vickers marriage certificate. Arthur Vickers 32 Bachelor Manufacturing Stationers Manger Boldmere residence Boldmere Father George Vickers Brewer deceased married Elizabeth Hackett 29 Spinster Bishop's Wood Father John Hackett Retired Butcher. . Witnessed by John Hackett and Florence Page Bann marriage. ( Age is different) But marriage to right person. On the 1891 Census Nottinghamshire Basford dist 6 pg 31 199 2a Westgate George Vickers head b.27 abt. 1864 Brewer Laborer .born Oakley Bedfordshire St. Leo's England, Was sent the 1911 Census and if the above parents are right they are not living at 15 Westgate. Would it be possible for SKS to see who lives at this address. I hope it is a relative. Baptism for children of George Vickers and Elizabeth Guyler George Alfred May 08 1882 Annie Elizabeth Jan 16 1888 Ellen March 31 1890 Mabel March 22 1897 All at St Leodegarious Church, Bedford, Nottingham abode at time was given as Westgate, Basford, Nottingham. Occupation of Father at time was Bleacher for George Alfred and Mabel and Laborer for Annie Elizabeth and Ellen. I have never found the baptism for Arthur 1884 or Willie born 1893 Here is the 1911 census. 1911 RG14PN20659 RG78PN1232 RD430 SD5 ED26 SN318 Reg. District: Nottingham Sub District: Bulwell Parish: Nottingham Enum. District: 26 Census taken 2 April 1911 Address: 22 Cheltenham St Old Basford Nottingham VICKERS, George 48 1863 Lace Bleacher Oakley Bedfordshire VICKERS, Elizabeth Married 28 years 48 1863 Hosiery Mender Nottingham 8 Children born all still living VICKERS, Ellen 21 1890 Lace Mender Nottingham VICKERS, William 18 1893 Hosiery Trimmer Nottingham VICKERS, Mabel 14 1897 Lace Drawer Nottingham VICKERS, Alfred 11 1900 Nottingham Hoping this is enough information to see why I need this address. Sincerely Jo-Ann Vickers

Try here http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/Census.html If you lose it or forget where you saved it, just google dates of the census , there are plenty of hits Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Could SKS tell me what date the 1911 census was taken. I would like to > compare the date to a marriage certificate that says father is deceased. > Wedding took place in May of 1911. > > Thank you so much. > Jo-Ann Vickers

On 2011/09/04 19:43, The Quineys wrote: > I'm not overly familiar with parish records but would the burial records > at the local church have any indication as to cause of death? Looking > at the whole parish might also confirm or eliminate the idea of an > epidemic - were other local families affected or not? If the burial > records show the age of death, that might also add to the overall picture. Sometimes. Particularly with earlier registers. I've seen some from the early 1800's where the minister was obviously tracking the number of deaths from cholera in his parish. But generally, only a death certificate (post 1837) is going to give that information. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg

Hi Listers, Thanks to everyone who answered my query regarding epidemics in 1930s Nottingham. Regards Paul

I'm not overly familiar with parish records but would the burial records at the local church have any indication as to cause of death? Looking at the whole parish might also confirm or eliminate the idea of an epidemic - were other local families affected or not? If the burial records show the age of death, that might also add to the overall picture. Just a couple of thoughts Heather On 04/09/2011 15:32, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi Paul > > It could be several things, TB for starters but without knowing exactly what they died from it is > pure guesswork and will prove nothing > > You could have ten people die in a decade and every one of them from a different cause > > There were bombings in London in WW2, many died as a result but people were still passing away from > other things at the same time > > Sorry to say but the only way is getting the death certs unless there is passed down information > (and even that can be wrong) > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > >> Hi Listers, >> looking at the deaths in one of my family lines I find that there are 6 >> deaths in the same household within the space of 10 years. Three of the >> individuals were only in their 20s and 30s. >> Were there any epedemics in Nottingham in the 10 years before the >> outbreak of World War 2 that could have been responsible? >> Thanks Paul >

Hi Paul It could be several things, TB for starters but without knowing exactly what they died from it is pure guesswork and will prove nothing You could have ten people die in a decade and every one of them from a different cause There were bombings in London in WW2, many died as a result but people were still passing away from other things at the same time Sorry to say but the only way is getting the death certs unless there is passed down information (and even that can be wrong) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi Listers, > looking at the deaths in one of my family lines I find that there are 6 > deaths in the same household within the space of 10 years. Three of the > individuals were only in their 20s and 30s. > Were there any epedemics in Nottingham in the 10 years before the > outbreak of World War 2 that could have been responsible? > Thanks Paul

Thanks to Mavis and Nivard for your help. Yes I did loose the site. So thank you Mavis for the date and Nivard for the site again. Regards Jo-Ann Vickers In a message dated 9/4/2011 12:25:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Try here http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/Census.html If you lose it or forget where you saved it, just google dates of the census , there are plenty of hits Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Could SKS tell me what date the 1911 census was taken. I would like to compare the date to a marriage certificate that says father is deceased. Wedding took place in May of 1911. Thank you so much. Jo-Ann Vickers

Hi Listers, looking at the deaths in one of my family lines I find that there are 6 deaths in the same household within the space of 10 years. Three of the individuals were only in their 20s and 30s. Were there any epedemics in Nottingham in the 10 years before the outbreak of World War 2 that could have been responsible? Thanks Paul

Thanks John, So it looks like LDS have filmed them but not put everything online. Depending where he lives, that means Robert has to either go to Notts Archives or order the film(s) from his nearest LDS centre. Peter

Robert, If you look at the Hugh Wallis site, only Edwalton marriages from 1814 - 1831 are available on IGI via the LDS Family Search site. So earlier records might not survive or may not have been given to LDS. There is however a user submitted marriage in 1806 between Thomas Holmes & Mary Richardson supposedly at Edwalton. Perhaps contradicting this, a parent search shows a number of user submitted records of children born before this date in Edwalton. Looking at the dates there's John 1793, David 1795, Mary 1800, William 1802, Richard 1803 and Sarah 1805. The gap of 14 years to Thomas 1819 and Mary 1820, indicates to me the possibility of two different families. However this is also right in the middle of the Napoleonic Wars, so he could have been in service or imprisoned. But trying to fit the 1806 marriage into this scenario is nigh impossible. Do you know when Thomas died? Does he appear in 1841 census? If so what was his age and occupation? If age suggests birth around 1800, he couldn't be the father of the early children, and probably wouldn't marry 1806. So that's a clue. The fact that there are the user submissions tells me somebody has found some type of records and possibly submitted a tree. I check at sites like Ancestry for submitted trees. Somebody with knowledge of Edwalton parish may like to advise if other records exist outside IGI. Peter in Sydney

I have already suggested to Bob Peterson that the marriage he seeks is probably this one:- Most likely Notts FHS Marriage Index 29 Sep 1818 Radcliffe upon Trent Thomas HOLMES and Mary BUTLER The marriage that you mention of Thomas Holmes and Mary Richardson in 1806 took place at Wilford 23rd Jan By Lic.. Thomas Holmes jun. of Edwalton and Mary Richardson of this parish. (Phillimore) Not the one he seeks as that Mary died 1825 therefore born circa 1796. His knowledge of the Holmes family of Edwalton is well researched. Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter R Booth" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [NTT] Thomas HOLMES & Mary - Marriage,1815-1819 -- at Edwalton? > Robert, > > If you look at the Hugh Wallis site, only Edwalton marriages from > 1814 - > 1831 are available on IGI via the LDS Family Search site. So earlier > records > might not survive or may not have been given to LDS. > > There is however a user submitted marriage in 1806 between Thomas > Holmes > & Mary Richardson supposedly at Edwalton. Perhaps contradicting this, a > parent search shows a number of user submitted records of children born > before this date in Edwalton. > > Looking at the dates there's John 1793, David 1795, Mary 1800, William > 1802, Richard 1803 and Sarah 1805. The gap of 14 years to Thomas 1819 and > Mary 1820, indicates to me the possibility of two different families. > However this is also right in the middle of the Napoleonic Wars, so he > could > have been in service or imprisoned. But trying to fit the 1806 marriage > into > this scenario is nigh impossible. > > Do you know when Thomas died? Does he appear in 1841 census? If so what > was his age and occupation? If age suggests birth around 1800, he couldn't > be the father of the early children, and probably wouldn't marry 1806. So > that's a clue. > > The fact that there are the user submissions tells me somebody has > found > some type of records and possibly submitted a tree. I check at sites like > Ancestry for submitted trees. > > Somebody with knowledge of Edwalton parish may like to advise if other > records exist outside IGI. > > Peter in Sydney > > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just had a look at Hugh WALLIS and he shows: baptisms 1600-1812 (batch C044652) baptisms 1813-1831 and 1839-1842 (batch C044651) marriages 1814-1831 (batch C044651) John M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter R Booth" <[email protected]> To: "John Mellors" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [NTT] Thomas HOLMES & Mary - Marriage,1815-1819 -- at Edwalton? > Thanks John, > > So it looks like LDS have filmed them but not put everything online. > > Depending where he lives, that means Robert has to either go to Notts > Archives or order the film(s) from his nearest LDS centre. > > Peter

First, I would like to thank the several respondents who called my attention to the Thomas Holmes-Mary Butler marriage in September 1818 at Radcliffe on Trent. It does appear likely that this was the marriage of the Mary Holmes, wife of Thomas, who died in 1821 and who gave birth to children Thomas and Mary, christened in 1819 and 1820. I would also like to thank Peter Booth, reinforced by Ann Widdowson, for calling my attention to the marriage of "Thomas Holmes, junr." of Edwalton and Mary Richardson at Wilford in Jan. 1806., since I had not been aware of this marriage either. After consideration of the input received and further study, I believe the groom in this latter marriage was Thomas Holmes (c. 1776), the son of Thomas Holmes-who was still living in 1806-and his wife Ann. Mary Butler's 1818 groom appears to have been a second cousin of that Thomas at Wilford, Thomas Holmes (c. 1795) the son of Thomas and Sarah Holmes. You have all been very helpful! Bob

http://www.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/home/leisure/archives/archivescollections/parishregisterfindingaid.htm shows Edwalton Holy Rood registers are held at Notts Archives for: Christenings 1641 - 1968/ Marriages 1698-1965/ Burials 1580-1902 and BT's christening 1600-1842 and the LDS have filmed: Baptisms, marriages and burials, 1600-1812. FHL BRITISH Film 503490 Item 1 Baptisms, marriages and burials, 1808. FHL BRITISH Film 462987 Item 27 Baptisms, marriages and burials, 1813-1831. FHL BRITISH Film 504092 Item 3 Baptisms, marriages and burials, 1839-1842. FHL BRITISH Film 504062 Item 9 I hope that this helps John M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter R Booth" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [NTT] Thomas HOLMES & Mary - Marriage,1815-1819 -- at Edwalton? > Robert, > > If you look at the Hugh Wallis site, only Edwalton marriages from > 1814 - > 1831 are available on IGI via the LDS Family Search site. So earlier > records > might not survive or may not have been given to LDS. > > There is however a user submitted marriage in 1806 between Thomas > Holmes > & Mary Richardson supposedly at Edwalton. Perhaps contradicting this, a > parent search shows a number of user submitted records of children born > before this date in Edwalton. > > Looking at the dates there's John 1793, David 1795, Mary 1800, William > 1802, Richard 1803 and Sarah 1805. The gap of 14 years to Thomas 1819 and > Mary 1820, indicates to me the possibility of two different families. > However this is also right in the middle of the Napoleonic Wars, so he > could > have been in service or imprisoned. But trying to fit the 1806 marriage > into > this scenario is nigh impossible. > > Do you know when Thomas died? Does he appear in 1841 census? If so what > was his age and occupation? If age suggests birth around 1800, he couldn't > be the father of the early children, and probably wouldn't marry 1806. So > that's a clue. > > The fact that there are the user submissions tells me somebody has > found > some type of records and possibly submitted a tree. I check at sites like > Ancestry for submitted trees. > > Somebody with knowledge of Edwalton parish may like to advise if other > records exist outside IGI. > > Peter in Sydney > > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Brian I supplied a copy of the map (O.S.edition of 1915) to a lady living in Devon in 2006, I am afraid that her name escapes me. I also enclosed a print of a late 1920's aerial photograph of the same site.-You can find this in one of Arthur Plumb's books, Kimberley In Old Picture Postcards Quite interesting if industrial archaeology is your thing: Tommy North's original colliery with the early tramway connections to Broxtowe and Kimberley pits, and connections to Radford canal wharf, plus all the later additions; the brickworks, gasworks and deeper shafts. Several members of my maternal Wheatley family were colliers and colliery blacksmiths employed by Thomas North at various of his mines Afraid that I don't do a great deal on rootsweb these days, but still maintain a watch Regards to all Bob NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Binns" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 1:44 AM Subject: [NTT] Pretoria Cottages >I recall an enquiry on this forum some years ago about Pretoria Cottages, > and I cannot remember if it was resolved. > > > > I have just bought a 1964 copy of a 1:1250 (50 inches to the mile) map of > the area around Cinderhill Colliery (later called Babbington) and on > Nottingham Road, Nuthall there is a block of 2 dwellings named Pretoria > Cottages. > > This block is on the right-hand side of Nottingham Road going towards > Nuthall, just before a Public House, which I would guess is The Broxtowe > Inn. > > The line of the Nuthall by-pass now follows the line right through this > cottages. > > If the person who initially made this query is still on this list and > would > like a scan of this map, then contact me off list. > > > > Brian Binns > > _____ > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3871 - Release Date: 09/01/11 > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You have a good memory, Brian. the original message was archived in 2006. http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/nottsgen/2006-04/1146170978 Dai On 02/09/2011 14:44, Brian Binns wrote: > I recall an enquiry on this forum some years ago about Pretoria Cottages, > and I cannot remember if it was resolved. > > > > I have just bought a 1964 copy of a 1:1250 (50 inches to the mile) map of > the area around Cinderhill Colliery (later called Babbington) and on > Nottingham Road, Nuthall there is a block of 2 dwellings named Pretoria > Cottages. > > This block is on the right-hand side of Nottingham Road going towards > Nuthall, just before a Public House, which I would guess is The Broxtowe > Inn. > > The line of the Nuthall by-pass now follows the line right through this > cottages. > > If the person who initially made this query is still on this list and would > like a scan of this map, then contact me off list. > > > > Brian Binns > > _____ > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3871 - Release Date: 09/01/11 > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On 4 April 1821, Mary HOLMES, "wife of Thomas," was buried at Edwalton at the age of 25. She and Thomas are known to have had children, Thomas (b. 1819) and Mary (b. 1820). But I lack information about their marriage, which may or may not have been at Edwalton. And, since there was more than one Thomas Holmes at Edwalton, I am unsure about the groom's, as well as the bride's, identity. If any of you with records for this time period would help me with any of these questions, It would be greatly appreciated. Bob

I recall an enquiry on this forum some years ago about Pretoria Cottages, and I cannot remember if it was resolved. I have just bought a 1964 copy of a 1:1250 (50 inches to the mile) map of the area around Cinderhill Colliery (later called Babbington) and on Nottingham Road, Nuthall there is a block of 2 dwellings named Pretoria Cottages. This block is on the right-hand side of Nottingham Road going towards Nuthall, just before a Public House, which I would guess is The Broxtowe Inn. The line of the Nuthall by-pass now follows the line right through this cottages. If the person who initially made this query is still on this list and would like a scan of this map, then contact me off list. Brian Binns _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3871 - Release Date: 09/01/11