Harry, While there may be descendants of Harry on this list, I believe you will get better results by doing a little bit of research yourself. You should be able to find Harry on 1891, 1901, and 1911 census by which time he is no doubt married. You might also look for other siblings of Harry and your grandmother Harriet. In this way, you will expand the family meaning you have increased the possible of finding other descendants. I'd also check submitted trees at Rootsweb and Ancestry. Even try Googling his name. Peter

Hi Peter, Michael, Bill & Kara, You see. I knew people on the Notts list would come up trumps :-) Thanks Michael for pointing out that Harry is = to Henry. Stupid me. I should have realised that was the case, as Harry's paternal Grandfather was named Henry. !! I'm fairly confident that the September one in 'Nottingham' is the right one because 'Nottingham' includes Sneinton which is the District for both his sisters, Harriet and Alice. As is rightly observed, the next step is to confirm things by sending for the birth certificate. Thanks again to you all for your interest an help. Best wishes, Tony

Dear Peter, You could be right, but I went for the Sept one because Sneinton was in Nottingham RD rather than Basford. I suspect Tony will only be sure by buying one of the certificates. Also the census date in 1881 was 3 April, which puts us into Sept for the birth. Cheers Bill On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Peter R Booth <[email protected]> wrote: > Tony, > >    Kara and Bill have plumped for the Sept 1880 birth at Nottingham. > >    I'm taking a contrary line and suggesting the Dec 1880 birth registered at Basford. > >    Peter > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Tony, Had you checked out the Henry Mason who (according to Free BMD) was born in Nottingham RD Sep quarter 1880 (7b 266)? Best wishes, Bill On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Tony Burton <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Peter,   Many thanks for your helpful advice.  You're right in that more > personal research is needed - but sometimes I find that one gets lucky on > these lists. :-) > There were three children in this Mason family,  My P.Grandmother Harriet > being the eldest; a sister Alice (who it seems went to America) and a > brother Harry.  While I have the births of the two girls, the only sighting > of Harry is on the 1881 Census (7mths) and the 1891 Census (age 10) .  No > birth record for Harry can be found (even under Harold). > My application to the list was in the way of a hopeful punt.   We'll keep > trying ~ he may of course have gone to America with his Sister Alice ~ that > should be fun !    Thanks again Peter, Tony. > > On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 7:10 AM, Peter R Booth <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Harry, >> >>    While there may be descendants of Harry on this list, I believe you will >> get better results by doing a little bit of research yourself. >> >>    You should be able to find Harry on 1891, 1901, and 1911 census by which >> time he is no doubt married. You might also look for other siblings of >> Harry >> and your grandmother Harriet. >> >>    In this way, you will expand the family meaning you have increased the >> possible of finding other descendants. >> >>    I'd also check submitted trees at Rootsweb and Ancestry. Even try >> Googling his name. >> >>    Peter >> >> >> >> Notts Surname List >> >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Peter, Many thanks for your helpful advice. You're right in that more personal research is needed - but sometimes I find that one gets lucky on these lists. :-) There were three children in this Mason family, My P.Grandmother Harriet being the eldest; a sister Alice (who it seems went to America) and a brother Harry. While I have the births of the two girls, the only sighting of Harry is on the 1881 Census (7mths) and the 1891 Census (age 10) . No birth record for Harry can be found (even under Harold). My application to the list was in the way of a hopeful punt. We'll keep trying ~ he may of course have gone to America with his Sister Alice ~ that should be fun ! Thanks again Peter, Tony. On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 7:10 AM, Peter R Booth <[email protected]>wrote: > Harry, > > While there may be descendants of Harry on this list, I believe you will > get better results by doing a little bit of research yourself. > > You should be able to find Harry on 1891, 1901, and 1911 census by which > time he is no doubt married. You might also look for other siblings of > Harry > and your grandmother Harriet. > > In this way, you will expand the family meaning you have increased the > possible of finding other descendants. > > I'd also check submitted trees at Rootsweb and Ancestry. Even try > Googling his name. > > Peter > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello List, I am new to the list and would be interested to hear from anyone researching the SWINDIN surname. My interests go back to James SWINDIN b. 1797, Clayworth and my line comes down through James son William b. 1827, Clayworth. Lorraine in Canada

Hello All, I thought someone here may make use of this in the future.   It appears the groom is originally from Nottingham and settled in Co Louth 1909. I found this while going through registers here.   Dundalk Co Louth marriage 13/01/1909 Gorham Charles Dundalk   married    Gogan Mary of Dundalk  register clearly  states  spouse from Nottingham. In the Irish census 1911 Charles marked as born England.   Regards, Kevin. http://kevsirishresearch.blogspot.com/

Hello list, I'm a returning researcher (Nottingham born & bred - now in Scotland). Trying to trace connections with HARRY MASON listed on 1881 Census as 7 months old (born 1880), born in Sneinton, Nottingham to William Mason & Emma Haywood. HARRY MASON was my Gt Uncle and his elder sister, HARRIET MASON (b.1873) was my paternal Grandmother. Any clues would be most welcome. Thanks, Tony Burton.

There is no Lucy Salmon baptism on the Notts FHS CD after 1856 until 1888, Jonathan. Dai On 28/09/2011 17:55, [email protected] wrote: > > > > > Hi List, > > I am seeking a Baptism of Lucy SALMON > Her birth was registered in the March Qtr 1857 Nottingham. > > In the 1861, 1871 census she is with her grandparents William& Elizabeth JOHNSON at Oakham, Rutland > In 1881 still at Oakham with an aunt. The most likely parents seem to be William& Hannah SALMON who in 1861 were living on Shakespere Street. > > Can anyone help ? > > Cheers > Jonathan in Toronto, Canada > > > > > > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi List, I am seeking a Baptism of Lucy SALMON Her birth was registered in the March Qtr 1857 Nottingham. In the 1861, 1871 census she is with her grandparents William & Elizabeth JOHNSON at Oakham, Rutland In 1881 still at Oakham with an aunt. The most likely parents seem to be William & Hannah SALMON who in 1861 were living on Shakespere Street. Can anyone help ? Cheers Jonathan in Toronto, Canada

Hi Peter, Thanks for the reply, yes the school certainly opened before 1969, we moved to 33 Cowpes Close sometime after the end of October 1966 (from Grove Road) and I remember we walked to the bottom end of the close and through a ginnel to Stoneyford Road, and the school was directly over the road, but as I recall, it was just known as Stoneyford Road School at that time. I only attended the school for a short period, probably less than a year, as we then moved back here to the Lincolnshire coast as my father came from Skegness, my mother was from Sutton in Ashfield. I may know of your cousin, but if she was born in 53, she would be a year above me. The only people I really remember from Stoneyford School was a mate (David Morley) and my neighbours on Cowpes Close (Ivan and Eugene Brailsford, both much older than I). I remained friends with the kids I met whilst living on Grove Road and the Hillocks mainly. My cousins also went to Stoneyford at the same time (Also named Morley, as was my mother). I do know that I started my last secondary school here in Lincolnshire in the second year, which would have been after September 1967, (I am awaiting these dates to come from my last school). I would have been 11 in Dec. 65 and I am certain I started Hillocks in September 1966 as you say, and I remember one of our first projects was about the Aberfan Disaster which took place 21st October 1966, so I know that I left the Hillocks after that date. I suppose the key dates I am after are the date I started at Priestsic Road and the date I started at Stoneyford, I could work the others out from what I have. I was not at Priestic Road school for long, we moved there from here either late 1965 or early 1966. We were living in Sutton for only about two years max. It sounds a mess, but really was a very interesting time in my life :-) Unfortunately, my father died in 2010, and he would have known most of what I want to know, my mother is not so good with dates. Regards, David W Pacey All email scanned with Norton Internet Security 2011 ********************************************* -----Original Message----- From: Peter Wright [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 23 September 2011 21:06 To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [NTT] School Admissions Hi, You would have started at Hillocks in the September after year 11th birthday. Quarrydale school web site says it did not open until 1969, however I am sure my cousin went to Quarrydale before 1969, when they moved to Cowpes Close. She was born in 1953. Therefore I suspect you would have left Priestsic Primary in the July after your 11th birthday, unless you were born in August. regards Pete in Mansfield ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W Pacey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 6:59 PM Subject: [NTT] School Admissions > Hi Folks, > > > > I have been in contact with three schools recently in Sutton in Ashfield > to > try find my start and leaving dates at those three schools, none were > really > able to help, as they did not think that they still held the records, or > the > right person was not there to help me. > > The schools in Lincolnshire and Yorkshire I attended all gave me the dates > I > needed via return email as they still held the records. > > > > I was referred to the records archive at Nottingham, and was advised by > that > office that they did indeed hold some of the records but I would have to > go > in to view them or pay a researcher to search them. > > > > I was wondering if anyone nearer to Sutton in Ashfield or Nottingham may > have access to the registers and could help me? Or know of someone or > other > method of doing this online. > > > > I am just trying to compile a reasonably accurate documentation of my life > for my descendants. > > > > I am reasonably confident that I was at the Hillocks at the time of the > Aberfan Disaster in October 1966, as I remember the discussion we had at > the > school about it, I also believe that this was my first term at the > Hillocks > from Priestsic Road, and that we moved to Cowpes Close, Sutton soon after, > hence my move to Stoneyford Road. > > > > Schools in question and approximate dates are as follows. > > > > Priestsic Road Primary - 1965 - 1966? > > The Hillocks - 1966 ? > > Stoneyford Road (Quarrydale) 1966 - 1967 possibly 68 ? > > > > I am looking for both admission and leaving dates. > > > > Is there anyone here could help me? > > > > I would willingly offer help in Lincolnshire in return. > > > > Regards, > > > > David W Pacey > > > > All email scanned with Norton Internet Security 2011 > > ********************************************* > > > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, You would have started at Hillocks in the September after year 11th birthday. Quarrydale school web site says it did not open until 1969, however I am sure my cousin went to Quarrydale before 1969, when they moved to Cowpes Close. She was born in 1953. Therefore I suspect you would have left Priestsic Primary in the July after your 11th birthday, unless you were born in August. regards Pete in Mansfield ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W Pacey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 6:59 PM Subject: [NTT] School Admissions > Hi Folks, > > > > I have been in contact with three schools recently in Sutton in Ashfield > to > try find my start and leaving dates at those three schools, none were > really > able to help, as they did not think that they still held the records, or > the > right person was not there to help me. > > The schools in Lincolnshire and Yorkshire I attended all gave me the dates > I > needed via return email as they still held the records. > > > > I was referred to the records archive at Nottingham, and was advised by > that > office that they did indeed hold some of the records but I would have to > go > in to view them or pay a researcher to search them. > > > > I was wondering if anyone nearer to Sutton in Ashfield or Nottingham may > have access to the registers and could help me? Or know of someone or > other > method of doing this online. > > > > I am just trying to compile a reasonably accurate documentation of my life > for my descendants. > > > > I am reasonably confident that I was at the Hillocks at the time of the > Aberfan Disaster in October 1966, as I remember the discussion we had at > the > school about it, I also believe that this was my first term at the > Hillocks > from Priestsic Road, and that we moved to Cowpes Close, Sutton soon after, > hence my move to Stoneyford Road. > > > > Schools in question and approximate dates are as follows. > > > > Priestsic Road Primary - 1965 - 1966? > > The Hillocks - 1966 ? > > Stoneyford Road (Quarrydale) 1966 - 1967 possibly 68 ? > > > > I am looking for both admission and leaving dates. > > > > Is there anyone here could help me? > > > > I would willingly offer help in Lincolnshire in return. > > > > Regards, > > > > David W Pacey > > > > All email scanned with Norton Internet Security 2011 > > ********************************************* > > > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Folks, I have been in contact with three schools recently in Sutton in Ashfield to try find my start and leaving dates at those three schools, none were really able to help, as they did not think that they still held the records, or the right person was not there to help me. The schools in Lincolnshire and Yorkshire I attended all gave me the dates I needed via return email as they still held the records. I was referred to the records archive at Nottingham, and was advised by that office that they did indeed hold some of the records but I would have to go in to view them or pay a researcher to search them. I was wondering if anyone nearer to Sutton in Ashfield or Nottingham may have access to the registers and could help me? Or know of someone or other method of doing this online. I am just trying to compile a reasonably accurate documentation of my life for my descendants. I am reasonably confident that I was at the Hillocks at the time of the Aberfan Disaster in October 1966, as I remember the discussion we had at the school about it, I also believe that this was my first term at the Hillocks from Priestsic Road, and that we moved to Cowpes Close, Sutton soon after, hence my move to Stoneyford Road. Schools in question and approximate dates are as follows. Priestsic Road Primary - 1965 - 1966? The Hillocks - 1966 ? Stoneyford Road (Quarrydale) 1966 - 1967 possibly 68 ? I am looking for both admission and leaving dates. Is there anyone here could help me? I would willingly offer help in Lincolnshire in return. Regards, David W Pacey All email scanned with Norton Internet Security 2011 *********************************************

Hi All I am new to the list. Some time ago I communicated with one of your members who put me in touch with Alan Dexter who is great. He had written a book about one of my ancestors line, the Egglestons in Belper Derbyshire. He kindly sent me a copy. I am trying to get back in touch as I have something to send to him but his old email address doesn't work anymore. Can anyone assist. Many thanks Deborah

I am reproducing below the final part of the report in the Nottinghamshire Guardian of October 30th 1851. I only discovered this subject from researching my ancestor Levi lee, who is the first to speak in this extract. However, I have done more research and found previous articles in this newspaper on this subject, and it turns out that this was a plan to buy, ship and re-erect a fountain from The Great Exhibition in Hyde Park in Nottingham Market Place. I have also found out more about the so-called "calumnious, filthy, and outrageous" booklets that Mr. Mahon had published. Indeed, in looking through The Nottinghamshire Guardian I found that Mr. Mahon - Jeremiah Landon Mahon to be precise - had previously had a running battle in the letters section of this same newspaper with the local Post Office, and also with the newspaper itself when it shortened his letters and declined others. The editor of The Nottinghamshire Guardian was a Mr. Pickering, and it was he, amongst others, and his family that were defamed in these booklets, which were entitled "Fun for the Town" and "Nottingham Notorieties". That is why in the first section of the report of this meeting that someone was heard to cry out "And what have you said about Mrs. Pickering?" It also transpires that it was in fact the same Mr. Pickering that attacked Mr. Mahon, who "came from a dark place with a great thick stick and hit me as hard as he could." This was reported in a later court case. It seems that Mr. Mahon was quite an argumentative character and was also brought to court on other occasions for attacking street sellers outside his Long Row shop. I may get around to re-producing these article in the future. For the mean time though, here is the final extract from: MEETING EXTRAORDINARY TO PROMOTE THE FOUNTAIN. Mr. LEVI LEE, a mechanic, made some observations to the effect that at the last public meeting he opposed the fountain on the ground that it would become a nuisance if the oyster sellers, green grocers, and other market people were allowed to wash oysters, vegetables, and flowers; but as this could be avoided by railing it round, and having taps projecting at various points, with soughs beneath to carry off the surplus water, and as, according to the statement of Mr. Mahon, they could be supplied with water so cheaply by Messrs Hollins, he declared himself in favour of the project. (Cheers.) Mr. JOHN PLACE presented himself upon the platform. And was about to address the meeting, when the chairman observed that the time for closing the meeting had arrived. Mr. PLACE amidst the encouragement of his friends, and supported by the sturdy frame of Mr. Annibal, insisted on having a hearing. He called to their recollection that at the former meeting exercising the privilege which they all had the right to claim, he seconded a resolution in opposition to the fountain. In a short time afterwards a blackguard publication was issued, in which he was attacked in the most shameful manner, merely because he had expressed his opinions. (Hear, hear.) The liberty of the press was one of the most glorious privileges of our land. We had not the supervision that existed in democratic France, because our government were aware that Englishmen knew how to value their glorious privilege (Hear, hear.) But the liberty of the press was never in so much danger as when licentious and bad men used that mighty engine, which might be either applied in doing much good or evil (Cheers.) Mr. Mahon had said in reply to Mr, Fidler, that the grossly abusive and filthy epithets which had been published did not apply to him (Mr. Fidler) but to 9 or 10 other people. He (Mr. Place) was included by name in that number, and was therefore branded as a drunkard, whoremonger, and everything else that was vile and disreputable. (Loud cries of "Shame.") He demanded of Mr. Mahon a public apology. (Vehement applause, and cries of "turn him out.") The excitement now became intense, one stentorious voice exclaimed "Lock the doors." At this juncture Mr superintendent Reddish, inspectors Parkinson and Raynor, and one or two police, forced their way to the platform. Mr. Place continued to maintain his position, and, amidst the cheers of his friends, to demand an apology. He appealed to them as fathers, as sons, and as brothers, whether they could bear their mothers, their sons, or their brothers to be maligned by the most abominable falsehoods which it was in the power of a man to utter, without demanding an apology? (Vehement cheering.) >From this point the meeting resolved itself into a riotous and tumultuous assemblage. The chairman hurriedly vacated his post, and Mr. Mahon, with arms a-kimbo, increased the storm by fiercely exclaiming that Mr. Place was a liar. Forms were upset, tables were overturned, and many loud threats were launched against Mr. Place, who, however, was not to be intimidated. Mr. Annibal endeavoured to obtain a hearing, but Mr. Mahon, with spasmodic violence, declared that he should not speak. This added fuel to the flames, and the scene in the body of the hall becoming little less than pandemonium. Owing to the exertions of the police, however, no violence was committed, and with some difficulty the room was cleared soon after ten o'clock, without a collection for Mr. Mahon having been made, but not before three hearty cheers had been given for Mr. Place by his friends and supporters. END And we all thought that the middle classes in Victorian times were oh so well-behaved! Just to add to the story, on the 1851 census; John Place was a Bankers Clerk living in Sneinton, and despite being an uncommon surname, there are two possibilities for the Mr. Annibal, - Godfrey a FWK and William a labourer - living next door to each other, so possibly father and son. Brian Binns _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3904 - Release Date: 09/18/11

There have been 3 messages in my inbox this morning from Jan Holmes, Linda Smith and Clive Hayhoe, sent to the Notts list. They all ask you to click on another link. These are obviously spam messages and should be deleted. The above people probably have had their email address lists stolen by spammers and would be well advised to re-check their email security, or if they haven't got one, get one immediately. I haven't sent this email directly to the above people to avoid any chance of my address being used, though I do have full internet security so the chances are very slim anyway. Brian Binns _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1410 / Virus Database: 1520/3904 - Release Date: 09/18/11

Hi David, I was going to see if I could find anything on google books etc. a search of google turned up this http://www.jacksdale.org.uk/pages/jdheritage/schools/schoolsmattholl.htm There is a pic on the page, of what looks like the back, and a few others. If I were you, I'd email that webmaster and ask them to connect you to the person who could scan those images in at a higher res for you. Another one https://www.hpacde.org.uk/picturethepast/jpgh_nottinghamshire/NCCW002118.jpg I think you might find some in a library also? You probably have these, but I thought it worth a try. Tammy On 17/09/2011 6:35 AM, David W Pacey wrote: > Hi everyone, > > > > I know there are a couple of small poor quality low resolution images on the > web of Portland Row Selston, But I am looking for a better quality one for > my records. I was born at number 20 in December 1954. I have set about the > task of obtaining a photograph of every address I have ever lived at, quite > a task, but some are made easier using Google Street level imaging, and I > can obviously take my own pictures of them as and when I can. Obviously, I > know that Portland Row was demolished in the 60's, so that is not an option > in this case. > > > > I may have asked this question before some time ago, but I am still looking. > I would willingly pay for a copy of an actual photograph, or borrow one to > scan myself and return in the same condition by return post.

Hi everyone, I know there are a couple of small poor quality low resolution images on the web of Portland Row Selston, But I am looking for a better quality one for my records. I was born at number 20 in December 1954. I have set about the task of obtaining a photograph of every address I have ever lived at, quite a task, but some are made easier using Google Street level imaging, and I can obviously take my own pictures of them as and when I can. Obviously, I know that Portland Row was demolished in the 60's, so that is not an option in this case. I may have asked this question before some time ago, but I am still looking. I would willingly pay for a copy of an actual photograph, or borrow one to scan myself and return in the same condition by return post. Any help greatly appreciated. Regards, David W Pacey All email scanned with Norton Internet Security 2011 *********************************************

Continuing the Nottingham Guardian report 30th October 1851, on a meeting to establish a fountain in the Market Place. The last section reproduced ended with Mr. Mahon calling for a vote of thanks to Messrs Hollins for offering to provide the water for the proposed fountain. As I said previously, I have presumed this Mr. Mahon to be Jeremiah Mahon, a bookseller of Long Row, Nottingham. As you read through the reporting of this meeting it becomes clear that he had recently published a leaflet/booklet where he defamed many people, and that those folk were not well pleased with what he had written about them. The article is reproduced below as written. The CHAIRMAN asked if any one would second the motion, and after a short pause a person exclaimed "No." Loud cries were instantly raised demanding that he should be turned out. A rush was made towards him, and he was roughly seized and ejected in a break neck manner, a method of silencing opposition which was resorted to several times during the night. The motion having been seconded was carried. Mr. CHAMBERLAIN, smith, in proposing a resolution to the effect "That the Mayor and Town council of Nottingham be respectively memorialized for permission to erect a fountain in Nottingham Market Place, in commemoration of the Great Exhibition, which fountain the memorialists would agree to remove in three years if a more eligible site were recommended by a majority of the inhabitants of Nottingham,"- took occasion to speak in strong terms of censure at the disgraceful manner in which the majority of the meeting had conducted themselves, by shouting down opposition. They had assembled to discuss the best means of placing an ornament in the town, but he confessed that they, instead of being an ornament, were a disgrace to the town. (Loud cries of "Hear, hear.") Mr. HIAM seconded the motion, which was opposed by a sturdy band at the corner of the platform, who however no sooner raised their hands against it than the groundlings shouted "turn them out;" a step which they seemed to attempt when The CHAIRMAN said, "as to the expenses of carrying on this question a subscription should be collected, at the doors on the present occasion, for the expenses hitherto that have been paid, has been at the expense of Mr. Mahon; consequently it is not right that he should be at all the expense, and therefore there will be parties at the door to receive whatever you may think well to give." He moved "that a subscription be entered into to defray the current expense that is incurred." Dr. LEY seconded the motion, in order to have the opportunity of asking Mr. Mahon a question. He had been accused of having been connected with those publications which Mr. Mahon had sent out. Now he wished to ask him whether that were true or not. (Hear,hear.) Mr. MAHON, without taking notice of this question said he perceived one gentleman in the room whom he considered he had ill-used in those publications, and he begged to make a public apology to him and to ask his pardon. He referred to Mr. Fidler. (A voice; And what have you said about Mrs. Pickering?) (Hear, hear.) Dr. LEY insisted upon having an answer to his question. Mr. Mahon replied that he (Dr. Ley) had no connection with the publications whatever. Mr. FIDLER claimed the right of an Englishman to be heard on this matter. When MR. Mahon published this filthy document, to which allusion had been made, it was a matter of principle with him that he (Mr. Fidler) simply on the presumption that he opposed the fountain, should be a black leg, a drunkard, and a frequenter of bad houses. But observe the contrast, Mr. Mahon had now tendered to him an apology for what he had done; he had ascertained that instead of opposing he had expressed his willingness to support the fountain, and therefore he was an honourable man. (Hear, hear, and cheers.) Was that an apology that he ought to accept? Would any man who had been grossly calumniated by Mr. Mahon and his partizans accept it? - for he did not give Mr. Mahon credit for possessing sufficient brains to compose all that had been written, filthy and outrageous as it was, - parties were behind the screen making the bullets which they gave him to discharge. (Hear, hear, and a voice, "Turn him out.") To resort to such a species of annoyance was disgraceful to the community, and while thus standing forward in the defence of his own character, he defied any man, calling himself an Englishman, to turn him out of that room. (Vehement applause.) He could have wished the matter was in better hands, but until it was, God help them. (Laughter.) MR. MAHON had no idea of maligning Mr. Fidler in the publications, and asserted that the description to which he had referred was not meant as a description of him. (Cries of "Oh, oh.") The description was not given to any particular individual. One person had one fault, another had another, and another had another. They were the faults of some half-dozen classed together; but he assured Mr. Fidler that it did not apply to him. Note: I found Jeremiah Mahon on the 1851 census, but neither he nor his family could be found on any subsequent census. Either the "hired men" who attacked him as per the first extract I reproduced finally got him - unlikely - or, more likely, he and his family emigrated. Mr. Fidler would appear to be John Fidler, a tinplate worker living on Milton Street in 1851. I cannot trace Mr. Hiam nor Dr. Ley - the spellings may well be phonetic. The last part will be sent tomorrow Brian Binns _____ No virus found in this message. 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Verily the writer doth beat about the bushes with his rolling-pin!   I look forward to the next installment.   Kara Drury, NZ