Christine, I've looked on www.picturethepast.org.uk but although there are pictures of Beck Street, most are new ones. There is an old photo of a pub called The Beehive but not the one you're looking for. The Local studies section at Nottingham central Library works with Picture the Past, so I would imagine if they had a photo of The Horse and Trumpet, it would be on the website. Have you tried Notts Archives? I always have to smile at this particular pub name because when I lived in Worcester over 40 years ago in my youth, there was a pub there with the same name, but because it was frequented by lots of pretty girls, we used to call it The Horse and Crumpet. Not PC nowadays, but it was in the 60s and we were a lot younger then. Brian Binns -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christine Sent: 25 November 2011 14:20 To: [email protected] Subject: [NTT] HORSE and TRUMPET INN Hi Everyone looking for a picture to add to my tree of the Horse and Trumpet Inn at 49 Beck Street my ancestors had the place in the 1881 census... Thanks Again,, Christine Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2101/4637 - Release Date: 11/24/11 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2101/4637 - Release Date: 11/24/11 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2101/4637 - Release Date: 11/24/11

Hi Everyone looking for a picture to add to my tree of the Horse and Trumpet Inn at 49 Beck Street my ancestors had the place in the 1881 census... Thanks Again,, Christine

I am not sure if this will help or not as my "criminal" was in a different time slot and place but, here goes: the miscreant, Thomas D. committed a theft in Oxford in 1839. I first found him in a Prison Hulk (Prison ship storing transportees until there was a ship to take a ship load away) at Alverstoke near Portsmouth. We then hunted and found the Prison Hulk Registers and Letter Books 1802-1849 (too early for you) which gave his age (2 years out, older than he was in fact) Then we found the England and Wales Criminal Registers 1791-1892. These gave a bit more, his level of education "Well" i.e thoroughly literate (he later worked both as a teacher and an accountant) and more details of the crime and punishment. (He was pardoned and not, finally, transported, but he spent 2 1/2 years on the hulk instead of the given 10 days before transportation!) Finally my cousin then found a local history booklet by Carol Richmond called "Banished! Sentences of Transportation from Oxfordshire Courts, 1787-1867" - clearly no use for Notts. BUT there may well be an equivalent publication for your Notts subject. Take great care checking ages and any extra information to separate your six possibles! Some such registers give physical descriptionss descriptions. Try newspapers. Jean Wood > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 07:12:30 +1000 > Subject: [NTT] Criminal Records for Nottingham > > Hello Everyone, > > I have 6 different people on my family tree by the name of Frederick CRINAGE who lived in Notts during the 1800s. > > Using Ancestry.com, I have also obtained hand–written records of the indictment a Frederick CRINAGE in the form of “Returns of Persons Indicted of criminal offences at various (5 in all) Quarter Sessions or Winter Assizes in Nottingham . These records cover various dates from 1864 to 1889; they give a very brief description of the nature of the offence committed and the sentence imposed. I am at a loss to determine to which of my six Frederick CRINAGEs these records relate!! > > Is there any way I can access records of the trials themselves that might give more interesting details of the offences and especially the ages or other details especially those that might enable me to identify my ancestors? > > I gather that details of these proceedings may be held at the Nottingham Records Office. > > Thank you in anticipation, > Martyn Peart > Queensland, Australia > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Am trying to pinpoint a marriage and subsequent births/baptisms for a Greatorex family who lived in Barnby (East of Blyth) around 1781. The baptism of Feb 1781 was for a "Joseph son of Christopher and Elizabeth Greatrix". I am hoping to identify further members of this family in the hope of connecting them up with a Christopher Greatorex who was baptised in Blyth in October 1788. My hopefull guess is that my Christopher of Oct 1788 is somehow connected (poss grandson) to the family of 1781 I've looked on the LDS catalogue but though they have some records they do not cover the period I am interested in. Can anyone offer any advice as to where to look next in Notts? Regards Mike Greatorex Harrogate, England Looking for all Greatorex's from North Nottinghamshire, Sheffield, Orange Co, NY, USA, Florida and Alabama, USA. http://www.freewebs.com/greatorexfamily/

Susan, Thanks for your reply, but it's best to stay on list for others who may be following this thread. For Outlook Express, use the Reply All button. While there may be a 100 year privacy restriction in Canada, it doesn't apply in UK. You say John Drummond Miller was born in Scotland c1897. You should find his birth on Scotland's People and also find him in 1901 census. You say Jessie Campbell was born in Canada c1900. This falls outside 100 years, so you should be able to find her parents as well and possibly their marriage and other children. They should also be in Canadian census records. I'm wondering if John Drummond Miller served in WWI. It may be worth checking, but he could be a bit young. The question is how did he come to be in Canada? They married in Canada about 1929 and had a daughter Marianne in 1930, before returning to Nottingham later that year. You corroborated this by adding Jessie evidence that Jessie was in Kelham, Newark on Trent around 1956. I searched http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl and found a Joan Miller b1940 at Newark with mother's name Campbell. I also found a marriage of Marianne Miller to Alastair Campbell in 1955 at Southwell. If you look at Google maps, these are all in the same area. I think they're probably worth following up and perhaps purchasing certificates. Records on the FreeBMD site generally decline after 1937, depending on volunteer transcribers and locality. But if you look on Ancestry you should get them right up to 2006 which will enable you to search for all subsequent BDM events including deaths of John and Jessie, marriage of Joan and children of Marianne. With all those leads to follow, you'll understand why you have to do the work. Peter

Hi Martyn, You can join the National Library of Australia online, which will give you access to UK newspapers including the Nottinghamshire Guardian; I'll send details of how to join off-list. Only two hits showed up under Frederick CRINAGE, you will need to play around with the names as there are hits for Frederick CRINNAGE and Fredk CRINNAGE; the dates will also help to find details. NOTTINGHAMSHIRE GUARDIAN - Friday, 1 April 1864 : Nottinghamshire Quarter Sessions, calendar of prisoners for trial at Spring Quarter Sessions on Monday next, April 4th - Frederick CRINAGE, for maliciously wounding John WILD, at Radford, on 9th Feb. Friday 28 December 1866 : Marriages : At South Collingham, on the 22nd inst, by the Ven. Archdeacon Mackenzie; Benjamin, fourth son of Mr George BEALBY, North Collingham, to Anne, eldest daughter of Mr Frederick CRINAGE, of the former place. Cheers Trish Nowra NSW > Using Ancestry.com, I have also obtained hand–written records of the > indictment a Frederick CRINAGE in the form of “Returns of Persons Indicted > of criminal offences at various (5 in all) Quarter Sessions or Winter > Assizes in Nottingham . These records cover various dates from 1864 to > 1889; they give a very brief description of the nature of the offence > committed and the sentence imposed. I am at a loss to determine to which > of my six Frederick CRINAGEs these records relate!! > Is there any way I can access records of the trials themselves that might > give more interesting details of the offences and especially the ages or > other details especially those that might enable me to identify my > ancestors? > Martyn Peart > Queensland, Australia

Hello Listers, I am returning to the list after several years of absence and would like to record that I am researching the following Nottinghamshire families: CRINAGE, DUTTON, DAWSON, HUMPHREY, MALONEY, OSBORNE, WHITELAW. Other families interests are in Yorkshire and are as follows: CHADWICK, HARRISON, LAZENBY, MITCHELL, PEART, RICHARDSON, ROBINSON Martyn Peart Queensland, Australia

Hello Everyone, I have 6 different people on my family tree by the name of Frederick CRINAGE who lived in Notts during the 1800s. Using Ancestry.com, I have also obtained hand–written records of the indictment a Frederick CRINAGE in the form of “Returns of Persons Indicted of criminal offences at various (5 in all) Quarter Sessions or Winter Assizes in Nottingham . These records cover various dates from 1864 to 1889; they give a very brief description of the nature of the offence committed and the sentence imposed. I am at a loss to determine to which of my six Frederick CRINAGEs these records relate!! Is there any way I can access records of the trials themselves that might give more interesting details of the offences and especially the ages or other details especially those that might enable me to identify my ancestors? I gather that details of these proceedings may be held at the Nottingham Records Office. Thank you in anticipation, Martyn Peart Queensland, Australia

Hi Peter, James PAINE and William BOOTH who were working at Chatsworth at the time (around 1757) - http://www.countrylife.co.uk/culture/article/277719/Stately-home-in-Derbyshire-for-sale.html William BOOTH of Stoney Middleton - http://www.fatherstales.co.uk/pages/TheCounter.htm http://www.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/en-81562-stoke-hall-grindleford http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/DERBYSGEN/2000-08/0965243243 Cheers Trish Nowra NSW > I'm trying to get the given name or some further information on Mr > Booth.. There is a plaque to a Mr Booth in the church at North Wheatley. > This was relocated from South Wheatley. I'm wondering if this is the same > Booth. > Peter Booth

I've just watched a program on Stoke Hall in Derby. It was built for the Rev Simpson who was the minister at Babworth around 1790. The design was done by a chap called Paine and the builder's name was Booth. Both Paine & Booth reputedly were renown for their design and building work on numerous large houses in the area I'm trying to get the given name or some further information on Mr Booth.. There is a plaque to a Mr Booth in the church at North Wheatley. This was relocated from South Wheatley. I'm wondering if this is the same Booth. Many of my Booth ancestors come from the area. A number were baptised in Babworth church. I visited there in 2003. Most of my ancestors look to be agricultural labourers, so I don't expect a direct line to the Booth the Builder. But I'm hoping it may help me get back to earlier Booth ancestors in the area. I currently have John Booth & Elizabeth Low . They look to have at least six children baptised in Babworth around 1780 Peter Booth

I am new to this list and need help. I have just broken down a brick wall (hopefully). I am looking for any information on a family that returned to England in 1930 (I have a passenger list). On this list it said they had intention of residing in Scotland although family insisted that the went to England. The family (in 1930) is MILLER, John <33>, MILLER, Jessie <32> and daughter Marianne <10 wks>. The address given for proposed residence was Summerhill House, Ayton, Berwick. John is listed as a farmer. The reason I have picked this family to follow is the age for Jessie corresponds with the birthdate I have for Jessie CAMPBELL and corresponds with ages for both from their marriage certificate. On a later obituary for her sister, her name is given as Jessie DRUMMOND-MILLER. Researching the name DRUMMOND-MILLER has been a loss and because of the time period and the 75 - 100 year sealing of records I have not found a birth for the daughter or any death records for either John or Jessie in Canada. The family originated in Ontario, Canada. Rumour has it (in the family memories) that they owned a rather large farm and that during the WWII, some of the Kings horses were stabled there. Also it has been mentioned that the family fell on hard times and sold the farm. I have just found another passenger list where Jessie Lillian MILLER returned from a holiday to Kelham Newar Notts. The birthdate/age match my Jessie Lillian CAMPBELL and now I am hopeful that someone may help me contact with their daughter Marion. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks, Susan Researching: CLAY, RIMMINGTON, SILVERWOOD, LAPPAGE, CAMPBELL, HAMILTON

Thanks all. Going to the Search tab was what I wasn't doing. Used to having the login default to old search, and going to my favourite databases at that point. Keith Wellington, NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurie Caron" <[email protected]> To: "'ListMail'" <[email protected]>; "'Notts NOTTS LIST'" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 5:21 PM Subject: RE: [Bulk] [NTT] Ancestry searches NTT and other > If you click on the Search tab at the top of the page and Search All > Records > (yes, you have to leave your tree) then in the top right hand corner, > you'll > get the link for the "Go To Old Search". Once you do a search in the "Old > Search", then you can go to a tree, and "Search Records" on a person, and > it > will use the "Old Search". > > I'm not sure if there is another way - but that's my work around. > > I agree with you on the New Search - I've sent in my comments to Ancestry > and I hope many others do as well. > > Regards, > Laurie > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of ListMail > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 11:01 PM > To: Notts NOTTS LIST > Subject: [Bulk] [NTT] Ancestry searches NTT and other > > Does anyone with an Ancestry account know how to get the "old search" > routine to work again ? > > I find the new search inadequate and time wasting, when wanting to hone in > on a particular requirement. > > Keith Wellington, NZ > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

Does anyone with an Ancestry account know how to get the "old search" routine to work again ? I find the new search inadequate and time wasting, when wanting to hone in on a particular requirement. Keith Wellington, NZ

Keith, It may be different depending if you are using a personal subscription or have free access at a library or FHS centre. I was using a free version at the library yesterday and couldn't find a way of using the old search. I find all the stupid possibilities of the new search quite distracting. How can you specify Exact Matches and still get suggestions that 1850 in Lancashire, Eng is even close to 1950 in Cleveland , Ohio. Family Search is now just as bad. I always advise people to look for Advanced Search. Peter

If you click on the Search tab at the top of the page and Search All Records (yes, you have to leave your tree) then in the top right hand corner, you'll get the link for the "Go To Old Search". Once you do a search in the "Old Search", then you can go to a tree, and "Search Records" on a person, and it will use the "Old Search". I'm not sure if there is another way - but that's my work around. I agree with you on the New Search - I've sent in my comments to Ancestry and I hope many others do as well. Regards, Laurie -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of ListMail Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 11:01 PM To: Notts NOTTS LIST Subject: [Bulk] [NTT] Ancestry searches NTT and other Does anyone with an Ancestry account know how to get the "old search" routine to work again ? I find the new search inadequate and time wasting, when wanting to hone in on a particular requirement. Keith Wellington, NZ Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 11:44:51 -0500 (EST) > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NTT] Albert Spencer Sherwood Foresters > To: [email protected], [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Nivard Ovington > > Thank you so much for the information I really appreciate the information > on Albert very much. It was very kind of you. I am not on findmypast right > now just ancestry. > > I wonder how he became deaf and dumb? Something I might never find out. > > Thanks again > Jo-Ann Post traumatic stress perhaps? It must have happened but there was no name for it then! Lynne

Just looking up the future husband of my Grandmother's sister on the 1911 census, Ernest Hartshorne in Beeston, and came across a wonderful mis-spelling. Ernest's younger brother was listed as an "Errant Boy". Obviously should have been "Errand Boy" but seeing as it was his widowed mother who completed the census return, maybe it was meant as written! Brian Binns _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1869 / Virus Database: 2092/4614 - Release Date: 11/13/11

Hi Jo-Ann On findmypast (who have the pre 1914 Chelsea pension records) you will find an Albert SPENCER born Bulwell 1869 or 1870 He was 18 when he attested in 1887 to the Militia 4th Btn Derbyshire Regiment (4 pages Sherwood Foresters (Nottinghamshire & Derbyshire Regiment) - 45th & 95th Foot) He then joined the Army proper in 1888 (7 pages, Derbyshire Regiment) He appears in the 1891 as you say, as of The Sherwood Foresters born Bulwell (not Burwell as transcribed) The 95th (Derbyshire) Regiment of Foot was formed when the 95th Rifles were redesignated as The Rifle Brigade . In 1881, during the Childers Reforms, it was united with the 45th Regiment of Foot to form the Sherwood Foresters (Derbyshire Regiment). Findmypast is pay per view or subscription Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > How can I find out about Albert Spencer was he a Fusilier in the British > Army regiment? Maybe causing this condition. He is living with his sister > Rebecca Spencer Rimmington. If I have the right one and it seems to be the > only one that matches. > > Reasoning being Weapons using black powder provided deafening concussion > to ear drums. Also sulphate's and nitrates from smoke inhaled, mixed with > saliva became sulphuric and nitric acid, thus burning vocal cords disabling > ears and voice.

Nivard Ovington Thank you so much for the information I really appreciate the information on Albert very much. It was very kind of you. I am not on findmypast right now just ancestry. I wonder how he became deaf and dumb? Something I might never find out. Thanks again Jo-Ann In a message dated 11/13/2011 5:19:06 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hi Jo-Ann On findmypast (who have the pre 1914 Chelsea pension records) you will find an Albert SPENCER born Bulwell 1869 or 1870 He was 18 when he attested in 1887 to the Militia 4th Btn Derbyshire Regiment (4 pages Sherwood Foresters (Nottinghamshire & Derbyshire Regiment) - 45th & 95th Foot) He then joined the Army proper in 1888 (7 pages, Derbyshire Regiment) He appears in the 1891 as you say, as of The Sherwood Foresters born Bulwell (not Burwell as transcribed) The 95th (Derbyshire) Regiment of Foot was formed when the 95th Rifles were redesignated as The Rifle Brigade . In 1881, during the Childers Reforms, it was united with the 45th Regiment of Foot to form the Sherwood Foresters (Derbyshire Regiment). Findmypast is pay per view or subscription Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

This is very interesting and I am sure your deduction is very logical. I would very likely arrive at a similar conclusion - poor man, and so young, like those in fighting zones now. Was he in the Boer War? Or maybe in India. He could not have been active much before 1895 and perhaps a bit later. BUT I am much amused to read that his condition was transcribed at least - and maybe on the original too (I have not looked) as DEATH and dumb!! My husband suggests he was having a worse day than usual when the enumerator called. Seriously, it shows the devasating effects of war which at no time, or in any place could be considered anything but horrendous and tragic for all parties. Jean Wood > From: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 18:53:32 -0500 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [NTT] Albert Spencer Sherwood Foresters > > How can I find out about Albert Spencer was he a Fusilier in the British > Army regiment? Maybe causing this condition. He is living with his sister > Rebecca Spencer Rimmington. If I have the right one and it seems to be the > only one that matches. > > Reasoning being Weapons using black powder provided deafening concussion > to ear drums. Also sulphate's and nitrates from smoke inhaled, mixed with > saliva became sulphuric and nitric acid, thus burning vocal cords disabling > ears and voice. > > > 1891 England Census Name: Albert Spencer Age: 21 abt 1870 Burwell, > Nottinghamshire, England > Civil parish St Budeaux Ecclesiastical parish St Budeaux County/Island: > Devon Country: England > Registration district Plympton St Mary Sub-registration district Plympton > ED, institution, or vessel Bull Point Barracks Piece: 1724 Folio: 91 Page > Number: 3 > > 1901 England Census > Name: Albert Spencer Age: 30 abt 1871 Brother-in-Law Male Nottingham, > Nottinghamshire, England > Civil parish Nottingham Ecclesiastical parish: Bulwell St Mary the Virgin > Town: Nottingham County/Island Nottinghamshire Country England > Street Address Hart Street Occupation Death and Dumb > Registration district: Nottingham Sub-registration district: Bulwell > ED, institution, or vessel: 33 Household schedule number: 171 Piece: 3191 > Folio: 36 Page Number: 32 > > Thanks for any help > Jo-Ann Vickers > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message