Graham, Thank you for the suggestion, however I know exactly where Pleasley Hill is - I've been there. What I want is a description of the geography of the village or better still a map showing the streets with names. Martyn Queensland, Australia -----Original Message----- From: Graham Taylor Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 6:34 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [NTT] Pleaslley/Pleasley Hill, Mansfield Martyn Put the following in Google Pleasley Hill Nottinghamshire Old Maps. Go to History of Pleasley Hill Zoom in on the O/S Map shown and you will get the location of Pleasley Hill Graham -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 18 December 2011 23:52 To: [email protected] Subject: [NTT] Pleaslley/Pleasley Hill, Mansfield Does anyone have a map of Pleasley/Pleasley Hill circa 1800s or a knowledge of the geography of the area. I have a long line of HUMPHREYs and DUTTONs and some BULLASs from these places. I am specifically looking for the whereabouts of Market Square and Cock Street. My great Grandfather, Henry HUMPHREY, owned a grocers/bakers shop in Pleasley Hill until some time between 1892 and 1898 when he sold out and moved to Derby. I have recently found a newspaper report advertising the sale of his shop in Market Square. In the 1891 census, however, the shop is recorded as in Cock Street. Another great grandfather of mine Thomas DUTTON and later his son Spencer DUTTON were sub-postmasters there. I remember occasionally visiting the home of Spencer and his wife on Chesterfield Road (which was also the Post office at that time) when I was a child in the late 1940s. Spencer died in 1946 and we continued to frequently visit my great aunt who occupied the same house (although the post office was removed with the death of her husband) until her death in 1964. More recently in the 1990s during a holiday in the UK, I spent an hour or so in the vicinity of the old house in Chesterfield Road . At that stage I was unaware of the references I have since found to the location of my Great grandfather HUMPHREY’s shop and so I did not investigate that matter whilst I was there. The point to all this history is that I have some recollection of at least the immediate geography of the area around the home on Chesterfield Road but I have no idea about the location of the HUMPHREY shop. Furthermore, I have an old photograph of my HUMPHREY great grandparents standing in the doorway of their shop which is on a street corner. My great grandfather Henry HUMPHREY died in 1898 and he looks quite old in the photo so I suspect it would have been taken in the 1890s. The photo looks as though it was taken from across the other side of the street, so quite a bit of the adjacent properties are visible. I can’t really relate the photo to my memory of Pleasley Hill in the 1940s so I’m wondering whether someone perhaps of my vintage and/or with a better knowledge of the area might recognise the street from the photo. I would be happy to forward the photo to anyone who thinks they might be able to help. Martyn Peart Queensland, Australia Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1890 / Virus Database: 2108/4689 - Release Date: 12/18/11

Peter, Yes, I have a lot of historical data on Pleasley Hill from the web but as you say nothing in the way of a decent map or anything about the geography of the place. There is (and I think it is still there but obviously defunct) in the nearby Pleasley Vale a large Cotton Mill that was operating in the 19th century and late 18th century. Many of my ancestors worked there and others were FWKs and miners. Martyn Queensland, Australia -----Original Message----- From: Peter R Booth Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 5:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NTT] Pleaslley/Pleasley Hill, Mansfield Martyn, I just Googled Pleasley Hill and found lots of references. Apologies if you've done the same and there nothing that answers your question. Peter Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1890 / Virus Database: 2108/4689 - Release Date: 12/18/11

Peter, Thanks for the suggestion - much appreciated. I had already tried that but as far as I can see virtually the whole Pleasley Hill lies on Cock Lane (notice that I wrongly referred to Cock Street in my original posting - it should have been Cock Lane). Martyn Queensland, Australia -----Original Message----- From: Peter R Booth Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 1:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NTT] Pleaslley/Pleasley Hill, Mansfield Martyn, Can't help with the location or map.You might Google Old Maps. But one of the things I've done is to use the 1881 census on old Family Search and use the previous or next household buttons to work out the nearest cross streets. It probably works much the same on Ancestry using the next image option. Peter Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1890 / Virus Database: 2108/4689 - Release Date: 12/18/11

Martyn, Can't help with the location or map.You might Google Old Maps. But one of the things I've done is to use the 1881 census on old Family Search and use the previous or next household buttons to work out the nearest cross streets. It probably works much the same on Ancestry using the next image option. Peter

Does anyone have a map of Pleasley/Pleasley Hill circa 1800s or a knowledge of the geography of the area. I have a long line of HUMPHREYs and DUTTONs and some BULLASs from these places. I am specifically looking for the whereabouts of Market Square and Cock Street. My great Grandfather, Henry HUMPHREY, owned a grocers/bakers shop in Pleasley Hill until some time between 1892 and 1898 when he sold out and moved to Derby. I have recently found a newspaper report advertising the sale of his shop in Market Square. In the 1891 census, however, the shop is recorded as in Cock Street. Another great grandfather of mine Thomas DUTTON and later his son Spencer DUTTON were sub-postmasters there. I remember occasionally visiting the home of Spencer and his wife on Chesterfield Road (which was also the Post office at that time) when I was a child in the late 1940s. Spencer died in 1946 and we continued to frequently visit my great aunt who occupied the same house (although the post office was removed with the death of her husband) until her death in 1964. More recently in the 1990s during a holiday in the UK, I spent an hour or so in the vicinity of the old house in Chesterfield Road . At that stage I was unaware of the references I have since found to the location of my Great grandfather HUMPHREY’s shop and so I did not investigate that matter whilst I was there. The point to all this history is that I have some recollection of at least the immediate geography of the area around the home on Chesterfield Road but I have no idea about the location of the HUMPHREY shop. Furthermore, I have an old photograph of my HUMPHREY great grandparents standing in the doorway of their shop which is on a street corner. My great grandfather Henry HUMPHREY died in 1898 and he looks quite old in the photo so I suspect it would have been taken in the 1890s. The photo looks as though it was taken from across the other side of the street, so quite a bit of the adjacent properties are visible. I can’t really relate the photo to my memory of Pleasley Hill in the 1940s so I’m wondering whether someone perhaps of my vintage and/or with a better knowledge of the area might recognise the street from the photo. I would be happy to forward the photo to anyone who thinks they might be able to help. Martyn Peart Queensland, Australia

You can view quite a few military badges and insignia online and try to match them - or try one of the World War 2 forums, post a message with a photograph of the insignia/badges and someone is very likely to reply.   Best method is to apply for his Army Service Record which will also tell you where he served: takes time but it's worth waiting for.  For more information on how to do this, see www.veterans-uk.inf0/service_records/army.html.    This record would give you the option of researching War Diaries for the units he served in, from which you could piece together his war experiences.   I did this for my Dad and ended up writing a book about his service as a bomb disposal officer in Malta!   S A M Hudson  --- On Fri, 16/12/11, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 4, Issue 217 To: [email protected] Date: Friday, 16 December, 2011, 8:00 Today's Topics:    1. WW2 regiments - how to find out (Mrs Watson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:36:00 +0000 From: Mrs Watson <[email protected]> Subject: [NTT] WW2 regiments - how to find out To: <[email protected]>, Notts Gen <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Seasons Greetings How do I find out which regiment my grandfather was in during WW2.  I have a photo of him in his uniform, but can't see any insignia. Many thanks See below for my research interests: CORNWALL: Hancock, Prynn DERBYSHIRE: Fox, Hawley, Kitson, Naylor, Salsbury, Shimmel, Skidmore DURHAM: Longstaff, Munn, Plews, Walton, Watson IRELAND, County Down:  Munn NOTTS: Bower, Challens, Fox, Pitt, Smith NORFOLK: Daniels, Gotts, Grimes, Marshall, Slaughter, Wright YORKSHIRE Eland, Longstaff                           ------------------------------ End of NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 4, Issue 217 ****************************************

Seasons Greetings How do I find out which regiment my grandfather was in during WW2. I have a photo of him in his uniform, but can't see any insignia. Many thanks See below for my research interests: CORNWALL: Hancock, Prynn DERBYSHIRE: Fox, Hawley, Kitson, Naylor, Salsbury, Shimmel, Skidmore DURHAM: Longstaff, Munn, Plews, Walton, Watson IRELAND, County Down: Munn NOTTS: Bower, Challens, Fox, Pitt, Smith NORFOLK: Daniels, Gotts, Grimes, Marshall, Slaughter, Wright YORKSHIRE Eland, Longstaff

Hi, The Notts FHS baptism CD, confirms the 14th June 1814 marriage at Darlton of Joseph Stockdale & Mary Marriot. ( only one 't') regards Pete in Mansfield ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 9:28 PM Subject: [NTT] Nottinghamshire Stockdales and a footballer > As part of my GOONS one-name study of Stockdale and variants, I have been > looking into > the ancestry of David Adam Stockdale, the Fulham FC footballer. He's a > goalkeeper and is > currently on loan at Ipswich Town. He has also been named by Fabio > Capello, England > manager, in the England squad but has yet to play for his country. > > And before someone tells me we aren't suppose to mention living people on > these lists, I > should say that in my view the Rootsweb ruling is somewhat pointless where > well-known > people are concerned about whom there is already much in the public domain > and which is > easily found online with Google. David Stockdale, footballer, is an > obvious example. In any > event, we one-namers research the living as well as the dead as part of > our study. > > David Stockdale was born in Leeds in 1985 and, of course, Stockdale is > overwhelmingly a > Yorkshire surname, but my researches indicate he descends from a Stockdale > family who > derive from Darlton and Dunham and were in the Markham/East Retford area > for most of the > 19th century, according to the censuses. > > I believe Stockdale's 4-times gt-grandparents were JOSEPH STOCKDALE and > MARY > MARRIOTT who apparently married at Darlton on 14 June 1814. This is a > private LDS > submission to the IGI, so I am not 100 per cent certain of its > authenticity. However, if it's right, > this couple had at least 7 children, including David Stockdale's 3-times > gt-grandfather John > Stockdale who was baptised at Darlton on 14 June 1818. John, an ag-lab, > married an > Elizabeth (marriage not yet found for certain) and they had a number of > children and are > found in the censuses from 1851-1881 at Dunham. > > One of their sons, William, married Mary Isabella Cox in the East Retford > registration district > in 1876 and they were the footballer David Stockdale's gt-gt-grandparents. > > Anyone claim this family as ancestors also? > -- > Roy Stockdill > Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would go along with that - look for the word dressmaker written elsewhere using an 'f' for the first s and the first word could certainly be manf.   Kara ________________________________ From: Sheila Khan <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 1:16 AM Subject: Re: [NTT] George CLARKE - 1851 census Selston - occupation? could the first word be an abbreviation for manufacturing On 12 December 2011 12:08, Kara Oosterman <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Andy - it is certainly not an easy one to read. Looks like three > distinct words to me, the third of which is Lab. > I believe it is something Iron Lab. Your man is on page 18 if you look at > page 12, sixth line down I think you will see the same occupation though > I'm still not sure what the first word is. That same page has four other > Iron Labs but without that preceding word/abbreviation - I think it may > have been added afterwards, possibly by someone else - if it is a y at the > end of that word you will notice the enumerator does not form his letter y > like that at all. > > I will be interested to see other opionions. > > Regards > > Kara > NZ > > ________________________________ > >  I wonder if SKS with good imagination could interpret George CLARKE's > occupation on the 1851 census. He's in Selston NTT at HO107/2125 Folio > 82/18 Sched. 73. He's an Ag Lab in 1841, and 1861, but in 1851 it doesn't > look anything like "Ag" or "Farm" or even "Iron". > ________________ > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Sheila Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Andy - it is certainly not an easy one to read. Looks like three distinct words to me, the third of which is Lab. I believe it is something Iron Lab. Your man is on page 18 if you look at page 12, sixth line down I think you will see the same occupation though I'm still not sure what the first word is. That same page has four other Iron Labs but without that preceding word/abbreviation - I think it may have been added afterwards, possibly by someone else - if it is a y at the end of that word you will notice the enumerator does not form his letter y like that at all.   I will be interested to see other opionions.   Regards   Kara NZ ________________________________  I wonder if SKS with good imagination could interpret George CLARKE's occupation on the 1851 census. He's in Selston NTT at HO107/2125 Folio 82/18 Sched. 73. He's an Ag Lab in 1841, and 1861, but in 1851 it doesn't look anything like "Ag" or "Farm" or even "Iron". ________________

I am not convinced it is an M,maybe RN but Barn, Farm and Corn are possibles! I am not sure that gets us any closer.... Jean Wood Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 08:12:00 +0000 > > To: [email protected] > > From: [email protected] > > Subject: [NTT] George CLARKE - 1851 census Selston - occupation? > > > > I wonder if SKS with good imagination could interpret George CLARKE's occupation on the 1851 census. He's in Selston NTT at HO107/2125 Folio 82/18 Sched. 73. He's an Ag Lab in 1841, and 1861, but in 1851 it doesn't look anything like "Ag" or "Farm" or even "Iron". > > > > Just another grudge against the enumerator who didn't write in any addresses! > > > > TIA Andy. > > > > > > > > Notts Surname List > > > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At 12:08 12/12/2011, Kara Oosterman wrote: >Hi Andy - it is certainly not an easy one to read. Looks like three distinct words to me, the third of which is Lab. Thanks Kara and Sheila I'm glad it's not just me (increasingly I feel it is these days!) that can't read this stuff. I agree Manf ??? Lab. I think FMP has the best guess "Sam" - but it seems absolutely meaningless!!!! I think it has been interpreted as Iron Lab, and the clerk (no pun intended) doing the counting has scrawled Manf (Manufacturing) on it. But I think it is probably Farm Lab given that he's Ag Lab before and after. As for the address - I've been through all of Selston (both ED2a and 2b) and for the whole of ED2a (north of the Nottingham Turnpike) only the first 2 schedule entries have an address (Church Lane) - all the rest have been left blank. ED 2b is no better for Selston itself. Hopeless! So thanks ladies for your opinions. Most helpful. Best Wishes, Andy.

could the first word be an abbreviation for manufacturing On 12 December 2011 12:08, Kara Oosterman <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Andy - it is certainly not an easy one to read. Looks like three > distinct words to me, the third of which is Lab. > I believe it is something Iron Lab. Your man is on page 18 if you look at > page 12, sixth line down I think you will see the same occupation though > I'm still not sure what the first word is. That same page has four other > Iron Labs but without that preceding word/abbreviation - I think it may > have been added afterwards, possibly by someone else - if it is a y at the > end of that word you will notice the enumerator does not form his letter y > like that at all. > > I will be interested to see other opionions. > > Regards > > Kara > NZ > > ________________________________ > > I wonder if SKS with good imagination could interpret George CLARKE's > occupation on the 1851 census. He's in Selston NTT at HO107/2125 Folio > 82/18 Sched. 73. He's an Ag Lab in 1841, and 1861, but in 1851 it doesn't > look anything like "Ag" or "Farm" or even "Iron". > ________________ > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Sheila

I wonder if SKS with good imagination could interpret George CLARKE's occupation on the 1851 census. He's in Selston NTT at HO107/2125 Folio 82/18 Sched. 73. He's an Ag Lab in 1841, and 1861, but in 1851 it doesn't look anything like "Ag" or "Farm" or even "Iron". Just another grudge against the enumerator who didn't write in any addresses! TIA Andy.

As part of my GOONS one-name study of Stockdale and variants, I have been looking into the ancestry of David Adam Stockdale, the Fulham FC footballer. He's a goalkeeper and is currently on loan at Ipswich Town. He has also been named by Fabio Capello, England manager, in the England squad but has yet to play for his country. And before someone tells me we aren't suppose to mention living people on these lists, I should say that in my view the Rootsweb ruling is somewhat pointless where well-known people are concerned about whom there is already much in the public domain and which is easily found online with Google. David Stockdale, footballer, is an obvious example. In any event, we one-namers research the living as well as the dead as part of our study. David Stockdale was born in Leeds in 1985 and, of course, Stockdale is overwhelmingly a Yorkshire surname, but my researches indicate he descends from a Stockdale family who derive from Darlton and Dunham and were in the Markham/East Retford area for most of the 19th century, according to the censuses. I believe Stockdale's 4-times gt-grandparents were JOSEPH STOCKDALE and MARY MARRIOTT who apparently married at Darlton on 14 June 1814. This is a private LDS submission to the IGI, so I am not 100 per cent certain of its authenticity. However, if it's right, this couple had at least 7 children, including David Stockdale's 3-times gt-grandfather John Stockdale who was baptised at Darlton on 14 June 1818. John, an ag-lab, married an Elizabeth (marriage not yet found for certain) and they had a number of children and are found in the censuses from 1851-1881 at Dunham. One of their sons, William, married Mary Isabella Cox in the East Retford registration district in 1876 and they were the footballer David Stockdale's gt-gt-grandparents. Anyone claim this family as ancestors also? -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi Susan I know Kelham well, but don't have any postcards or photos. The local newspaper is the 'Newark Advertiser' and would be place to look for obits if you can find it online. Its been published for many years. Hope this helps. Kind regards, Lin In a message dated 09/12/2011 15:55:52 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I am hoping that someone may have an old post card or picture of this farm. I can find new ones showing a housing project that was developed on this property but I am looking for a bit of history from the 1930 – 1980 timeframe. Also, where would one look for an obituary in the 1930 – 1990 timeframe for the Kelham, Notts area. Any help will be appreciated. Susan (Clay) McIsaac Researching: DRUMMOND-MILLER, CAMPBELL, CLAY, RIMMINGTON, LAPPAGE Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Martyn If you check out Findmypast they have in the Chelsea Pensioner records Joseph CRINAGE b1869 Walter CRINAGE b1880 Walter Joseph CRINAGE b1880 William CRINAGE b1875 William CRINAGE b1876 All born Nottinghamshire I suspect both Walters and both Williams are the same man but would bear inspection Walter appears to be a bit of a bad lad and spent much of his time in clink Ancestry have two entries in the medal rolls An A CRINAGE and a W CRINAGE but on inspection they are both 4190 CRINAGE, the A appears to be an error by whoever made the roll out (its definately A on the page by but the next man was a W, perhaps missed a line) So the man in the 2nd Boer war appears to be the William above Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > The Nottinghamshire Guardian (30 December 1899), published part of a letter received by a Mr. > CRINAGE of 212 Sherwood Street, Nottingham from his son (unnamed) who was serving with the field > force at Ladysmith at the time. > > My problem is that I have several CRINAGE families alive at that time all in Nottingham. To try > and identify the specific family involved, I checked the census records for that address in 1891 > and 1901. In 1901 there was no CRINAGE family living at that address. In 1891, I could not find > 212 Sherwood Street at all and there were no CRINAGEs in the rest of the houses in Sherwood > Street. > > Does anyone know if there was a register of land owners or occupants of a specific address at the > time. > > On checking the Anglo-Boer War site, I was able to find only one CRINAGE, namely William, who > served in that war. How accurate are these records and am I safe in assuming that this is indeed > the person referred to in the newspaper report. If this is the case, I have certainly identified > the family. > > Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated. > > Martyn Peart > Australia

I am hoping that someone may have an old post card or picture of this farm. I can find new ones showing a housing project that was developed on this property but I am looking for a bit of history from the 1930 – 1980 timeframe. Also, where would one look for an obituary in the 1930 – 1990 timeframe for the Kelham, Notts area. Any help will be appreciated. Susan (Clay) McIsaac Researching: DRUMMOND-MILLER, CAMPBELL, CLAY, RIMMINGTON, LAPPAGE

The Nottinghamshire Guardian (30 December 1899), published part of a letter received by a Mr. CRINAGE of 212 Sherwood Street, Nottingham from his son (unnamed) who was serving with the field force at Ladysmith at the time. My problem is that I have several CRINAGE families alive at that time all in Nottingham. To try and identify the specific family involved, I checked the census records for that address in 1891 and 1901. In 1901 there was no CRINAGE family living at that address. In 1891, I could not find 212 Sherwood Street at all and there were no CRINAGEs in the rest of the houses in Sherwood Street. Does anyone know if there was a register of land owners or occupants of a specific address at the time. On checking the Anglo-Boer War site, I was able to find only one CRINAGE, namely William, who served in that war. How accurate are these records and am I safe in assuming that this is indeed the person referred to in the newspaper report. If this is the case, I have certainly identified the family. Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated. Martyn Peart Australia

Hi Jo-Ann All census were written by the household (apart from some filled in by a friend or relation or enumerator on occasion) up to 1901 they were then transcribed and the originals destroyed The 1911 was the first not to be transcribed by the enumerator So the schedule you see is in the handwriting of the householder or whoever he got to fill it in Check the writing against the signature bottom right, its usually the same hand Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >I read awhile back some census were written by the household. Can someone > tell me if the 1911 census was? It seems to have more details about area > where they were born and a lot more. > > Thank you > Jo-Ann Vickers