Hello list: I have an older version of the Notts FHS marriage CD in which there is a marriage for Richard Pettiner m. Mary .... on 13 Feb 1704 in Clarborough. Does anyone have a newer record of this marriage that shows Mary's maiden name? Thanks and much appreciated. Elizabeth (Nova Scotia, Canada)

Could some kind soul please please send me the image for the following from the 1861 census RG 9 Piece 3134 Folio 110 Schedule 187 This does appear to be missing from Ancestry and they haven't noticed the gap (schedules 185 - 189 inclusive) but hopefully those using FMP have the complete sequence. Alas, one can't afford to subscribe to both. The above schedule should be the address of 21 Cold Bath Street - sorry it's in Preston! Happy New Year David

My great grandfather Frederick CRINAGE died in the Nottingham Workhouse Infirmary in 1910. Does anyone have access to, or know whether records exist that might shed further light light on my ancestor's life and death in the Workhouse? I am aware of a web site that provides information about the Workhouse itself ; what I am hoping to find however are records about the folk who lived there. any help or advice would be appreciated. Martyn Queensland, Australia

Hi, this website link should point you in the correct direction, hundreds of actual documents can be searched of workhouse letters & documetation. http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/about/living-poor-life.htm regards Pete in Mansfield ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 8:31 AM Subject: [NTT] Nottingham Workhouse Infirmary, Bagthorpe > My great grandfather Frederick CRINAGE died in the Nottingham Workhouse > Infirmary in 1910. Does anyone have access to, or know whether records > exist > that might shed further light light on my ancestor's life and death in the > Workhouse? I am aware of a web site that provides information about the > Workhouse itself ; what I am hoping to find however are records about the > folk who lived there. any help or advice would be appreciated. > > Martyn > Queensland, Australia > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I believe that the Bagthorpe workhouse admission registers (including a register of deaths there) are at Notts Archives. David Hallam davi[email protected] www.beeston-notts.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: 01 January 2012 08:32 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [NTT] Nottingham Workhouse Infirmary, Bagthorpe > > > My great grandfather Frederick CRINAGE died in the Nottingham Workhouse > Infirmary in 1910. Does anyone have access to, or know whether > records exist > that might shed further light light on my ancestor's life and > death in the > Workhouse? I am aware of a web site that provides information about the > Workhouse itself ; what I am hoping to find however are records about the > folk who lived there. any help or advice would be appreciated. > > Martyn > Queensland, Australia > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Martyn - Jeremy GIBSON in his "Poor Law Union Records" Vol 2 suggests that the Death Registers have survived for 1890 - 1926 and for the Infirmary for 1908-1920 It might be worthwile looking at the Notts Archives Web Site as they have an information sheet on Nottingham Union Workhouse Registers I hope this helps Best Wishes John Mellors ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 8:31 AM Subject: [NTT] Nottingham Workhouse Infirmary, Bagthorpe > My great grandfather Frederick CRINAGE died in the Nottingham Workhouse > Infirmary in 1910. Does anyone have access to, or know whether records > exist > that might shed further light light on my ancestor's life and death in the > Workhouse? I am aware of a web site that provides information about the > Workhouse itself ; what I am hoping to find however are records about the > folk who lived there. any help or advice would be appreciated. > > Martyn > Queensland, Australia > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Nice to hear from you Tony.   I have never in my life met anyone else with the surname Spray though when my brother's engagement appeared in the paper 20 odd years ago, the entry above was for another Spray. There are currently only 16 residential listings for Spray in NZ. One is my brother - Dad lives in Australia. Even in the UK there are no cousins with the surname as dad there was only dad and his sister. There may be half-cousins(?) via my grandfather's previously unknown half-brother Horace, who is of course, yet another missing Spray in my tree!   Thanks again Kara From: T BURTON <[email protected]> To: Kara Oosterman <[email protected]>; Nottsgen <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, 28 December 2011 12:47 AM Subject: Re: [NTT] Samuel SPRAY of New Basford born circa 1855 Hi Kara,  Not often that the 'Sprays' surface - especially living ones.  Your Dad beat me by two years.  For what it's worth, my P. Gt Grandmother, Ellen(aka Eliza) Spray, was born in Beeston in 1840 - the daughter of John Spray and Ellen(aka Eliza) Newbold who married in Crich, Derbyshire in 1832.  John Spray was born in Ashford, Derbys., in 1813..   Ellen Spray married my P.Gt Grandfather, Sylvester Burton, in Nottingham (Stoney St., Chapel) in 1864.  She had a brother, Henry Spray, baptised in Beeston in 1833.   There may be a tenuous connection somewhere but at the present that is all I have on the Sprays.  Best wishes for a succesful New Year.  Tony. From: Kara Oosterman <[email protected]> To: Nottsgen <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, 27 December 2011, 7:08 Subject: [NTT] Samuel SPRAY of New Basford born circa 1855

Thanks Lizzie - I have looked at this family before and if I recall I found their Samuel married and elsewhere in 1881 when I have a confirmed 'location' for my Samuel. However, now that you have brought him up again I think I will take the time to retrace those steps as I hadn't had a great deal of experience at the time.   Many thanks for your contribution.   Kara From: Elizabeth Allen <[email protected]> To: Kara Oosterman <[email protected]>; Nottsgen <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, 28 December 2011 12:18 AM Subject: Re: [NTT] Samuel SPRAY of New Basford born circa 1855 Hi Kara Could this be Samuel and his parents in the 1871 census? (From Ancestry) Census ref: RG10/3486/62/5-6. Duke Street, Basford, Notts George STRAYHead61Lace MakerBulwell, Notts Mary Margaret STRAYWife55Provision DealerChilwell, Notts Samuel STRAYSon16Lace MakerBasford, Notts Edgar STRAYSon11ScholarBasford, Notts Likewise, I think this may be your great Grandfather in 1861: Ref: RG9/2439/76/21 Mount Street, Basford, Notts George STRAYHead51Lace MakerBulwell, Notts Mary STRAYWife45Chilwell, Notts George STRAYSon19Lace MakerBasford, Notts Tom STRAYSon17Lace MakerHucknall Torkard, Notts John STRAYSon14WarperChilwell, Notts Frederick STRAYSon12Threader (?)Basford, Notts Samuel STRAYSon4Basford, Notts Edgar STRAYSon1Basford, Notts Hope this helps a bit! Lizzie Cambridge, UK >

Many thanks David. With probable parents' names I've been looking on Ancestry for the Lane family 1861/1871 and so far without success - I can't believe this branch of my tree - every time I think there is a lead . . . Rest assured though, I don't give up that easily - it has just gone midnight but I'm sure I can manage another hour or two!    Kara From: beeston-notts <[email protected]> To: Kara Oosterman <[email protected]>; Nottsgen <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, 27 December 2011 10:08 PM Subject: RE: [NTT] Samuel SPRAY of New Basford born circa 1855 Hello Well, at least it seems we can confirm the identity of his first wife. This appears to be her baptism: fsurname    name    father    mother    date    Church    abode    occupation LANE        Sarah    Joseph    Sarah    16/10/1853    NORTH CLIFTON    South Clifton    Cattle Dealer However that does not seem to get us very much further as I have not found her marriage. David Hallam [email protected] www.beeston-notts.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Kara Oosterman > Sent: 27 December 2011 07:09 > To: Nottsgen > Subject: [NTT] Samuel SPRAY of New Basford born circa 1855 >

Hi Everyone - another year almost over and I am hoping 2012 will be the one in which I finally get beyond the one great grandfather that is causing me headaches!   I have done my best. Here is what I know so far. My dad, D C Spray (still living) born 1930, Islington; his dad, Frederick Henry Spray, born 27 Nov 1890, St Pancras, London; his parents Samuel & Elizabeth Spray. Censuses supply Samuel's details as follows: 1911 - 8 Prospect Place, Islington, 56yrs, born New Basford, Notts, Dairyman; 1901 - 10 Netherland Place, Islington, 46yrs, Basford, Notts, Brewer's Drayman; 1891 - 18 Suffolk Street, St Pancras, 36 yrs, New Basford, Notts, Railway Messenger.  The year and place of birth are consistent all the way through indicating he was born 1855 +/-1.   With one exception, all the details of other household member's from 1891 to 1911 are all confirmed by known family details - as mentioned by father is still alive and has all his wits about him! Dad has fond memories of his (favourite) aunt Edith, less detailed memories of Auntie Flo and knew his father's date of birth. The surprise was Horace Spray, aged 12 in 1891. That led me to this on the 1881 Census: 1881 - 20 Ashburton Grove, Islington, 26 yrs, New Basford, Notts, Railway Porter, wife Sarah, 28yrs, born South Clifton, Notts and son, Horace, 2yrs, born Stamford, Lincolnshire.   I found the death of Sarah Spray aged 30, Islington, Dec Q 1882. I purchased the marriage certificate of Samuel and dad's grandmother Elizabeth WOOD[H]ALL (29yrs) date 23 Feb 1884, Reg.. Office, Marylebone, Middlesex - he was a widower, father's name George, occupation 'Gentleman'. I was unable to find the earlier marriage of a Samuel Spray and Sarah ?, so I purchased Horace's birth cert (b 8 Jan 1879, Stamford, Lincs.) on which his mother's maiden name appears to be LANE. While it is clear and legible I have tried to convince myself it is Zane, Tane, Jane, just about every consonant, and even added an s on the end, but nothing has helped me to locate the marriage - my hope being that the certificate would be more helpful with regard to Gentleman George's details.   I have Elizabeth's death details and also probate (from Ancestry) - she is described as wife of Samuel rather than widow which implies he was still alive in 1932. I have not been able to find a death record.  The family story is that he was something of a cad, treated his wife (Elizabeth) badly (not necessarily physically but gave her little housekeeping, was demanding agressive and drank and/or gambled. Dad's sister (born 1928) 'remembers' him ripping the table cloth from the table causing everything on it to smash on the floor just because his meal was not ready.   I've tried tracing Horace to no avail. I've looked at various George Spray marriages and closely at the 1861 and 1871 censuses. Samuel does not seem to exist prior to 1881. I should point out that another certificate I purchased was for the birth of Samuel, the son of Robert and Sarah Spray, born Beeston 1851 he is NOT my Samuel although a second cousin (on dad's mother's side) has put him on the family tree.   Any help would be wonderful.. All the best for the New Year to all.   Kara Drury, NZ

Hi Kara Could this be Samuel and his parents in the 1871 census? (From Ancestry) Census ref: RG10/3486/62/5-6. Duke Street, Basford, Notts George STRAYHead61Lace MakerBulwell, Notts Mary Margaret STRAYWife55Provision DealerChilwell, Notts Samuel STRAYSon16Lace MakerBasford, Notts Edgar STRAYSon11ScholarBasford, Notts Likewise, I think this may be your great Grandfather in 1861: Ref: RG9/2439/76/21 Mount Street, Basford, Notts George STRAYHead51Lace MakerBulwell, Notts Mary STRAYWife45Chilwell, Notts George STRAYSon19Lace MakerBasford, Notts Tom STRAYSon17Lace MakerHucknall Torkard, Notts John STRAYSon14WarperChilwell, Notts Frederick STRAYSon12Threader (?)Basford, Notts Samuel STRAYSon4Basford, Notts Edgar STRAYSon1Basford, Notts Hope this helps a bit! Lizzie Cambridge, UK >________________________________ > From: Kara Oosterman <[email protected]> >To: Nottsgen <[email protected]> >Sent: Tuesday, 27 December 2011, 7:08 >Subject: [NTT] Samuel SPRAY of New Basford born circa 1855 > >Hi Everyone - another year almost over and I am hoping 2012 will be the one in which I finally get beyond the one great grandfather that is causing me headaches! >  >I have done my best. Here is what I know so far. My dad, D C Spray (still living) born 1930, Islington; his dad, Frederick Henry Spray, born 27 Nov 1890, St Pancras, London; his parents Samuel & Elizabeth Spray. Censuses supply Samuel's details as follows: 1911 - 8 Prospect Place, Islington, 56yrs, born New Basford, Notts, Dairyman; 1901 - 10 Netherland Place, Islington, 46yrs, Basford, Notts, Brewer's Drayman; 1891 - 18 Suffolk Street, St Pancras, 36 yrs, New Basford, Notts, Railway Messenger.  The year and place of birth are consistent all the way through indicating he was born 1855 +/-1. >  >With one exception, all the details of other household member's from 1891 to 1911 are all confirmed by known family details - as mentioned by father is still alive and has all his wits about him! Dad has fond memories of his (favourite) aunt Edith, less detailed memories of Auntie Flo and knew his father's date of birth. The surprise was Horace Spray, aged 12 in 1891. That led me to this on the 1881 Census: 1881 - 20 Ashburton Grove, Islington, 26 yrs, New Basford, Notts, Railway Porter, wife Sarah, 28yrs, born South Clifton, Notts and son, Horace, 2yrs, born Stamford, Lincolnshire. >  >I found the death of Sarah Spray aged 30, Islington, Dec Q 1882. I purchased the marriage certificate of Samuel and dad's grandmother Elizabeth WOOD[H]ALL (29yrs) date 23 Feb 1884, Reg.. Office, Marylebone, Middlesex - he was a widower, father's name George, occupation 'Gentleman'. I was unable to find the earlier marriage of a Samuel Spray and Sarah ?, so I purchased Horace's birth cert (b 8 Jan 1879, Stamford, Lincs.) on which his mother's maiden name appears to be LANE. While it is clear and legible I have tried to convince myself it is Zane, Tane, Jane, just about every consonant, and even added an s on the end, but nothing has helped me to locate the marriage - my hope being that the certificate would be more helpful with regard to Gentleman George's details. >  >I have Elizabeth's death details and also probate (from Ancestry) - she is described as wife of Samuel rather than widow which implies he was still alive in 1932. I have not been able to find a death record.  The family story is that he was something of a cad, treated his wife (Elizabeth) badly (not necessarily physically but gave her little housekeeping, was demanding agressive and drank and/or gambled. Dad's sister (born 1928) 'remembers' him ripping the table cloth from the table causing everything on it to smash on the floor just because his meal was not ready. >  >I've tried tracing Horace to no avail. I've looked at various George Spray marriages and closely at the 1861 and 1871 censuses. Samuel does not seem to exist prior to 1881. I should point out that another certificate I purchased was for the birth of Samuel, the son of Robert and Sarah Spray, born Beeston 1851 he is NOT my Samuel although a second cousin (on dad's mother's side) has put him on the family tree. >  >Any help would be wonderful.. All the best for the New Year to all. >  >Kara >Drury, NZ > > >Notts Surname List > >http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hello Well, at least it seems we can confirm the identity of his first wife. This appears to be her baptism: fsurname name father mother date Church abode occupation LANE Sarah Joseph Sarah 16/10/1853 NORTH CLIFTON South Clifton Cattle Dealer However that does not seem to get us very much further as I have not found her marriage. David Hallam [email protected] www.beeston-notts.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Kara Oosterman > Sent: 27 December 2011 07:09 > To: Nottsgen > Subject: [NTT] Samuel SPRAY of New Basford born circa 1855 > > > Hi Everyone - another year almost over and I am hoping 2012 will > be the one in which I finally get beyond the one great > grandfather that is causing me headaches! >   > I have done my best. Here is what I know so far. My dad, D C > Spray (still living) born 1930, Islington; his dad, Frederick > Henry Spray, born 27 Nov 1890, St Pancras, London; his parents > Samuel & Elizabeth Spray. Censuses supply Samuel's details as > follows: 1911 - 8 Prospect Place, Islington, 56yrs, born New > Basford, Notts, Dairyman; 1901 - 10 Netherland Place, Islington, > 46yrs, Basford, Notts, Brewer's Drayman; 1891 - 18 Suffolk > Street, St Pancras, 36 yrs, New Basford, Notts, Railway > Messenger.  The year and place of birth are consistent all the > way through indicating he was born 1855 +/-1. >   > With one exception, all the details of other household member's  > from 1891 to 1911 are all confirmed by known family details - as > mentioned by father is still alive and has all his wits about > him! Dad has fond memories of his (favourite) aunt Edith, less > detailed memories of Auntie Flo and knew his father's date of > birth. The surprise was Horace Spray, aged 12 in 1891. That led > me to this on the 1881 Census: 1881 - 20 Ashburton Grove,  > Islington, 26 yrs, New Basford, Notts, Railway Porter, wife > Sarah, 28yrs, born South Clifton, Notts and son, Horace, 2yrs, > born Stamford, Lincolnshire. >   > I found the death of Sarah Spray aged 30, Islington, Dec Q 1882. > I purchased the marriage certificate of Samuel and dad's > grandmother Elizabeth WOOD[H]ALL (29yrs) date 23 Feb 1884, Reg.. > Office, Marylebone, Middlesex - he was a widower, father's name > George, occupation 'Gentleman'. I was unable to find the earlier > marriage of a Samuel Spray and Sarah ?, so I purchased Horace's > birth cert (b 8 Jan 1879, Stamford, Lincs.) on which his mother's > maiden name appears to be LANE. While it is clear and legible I > have tried to convince myself it is Zane, Tane, Jane, just about > every consonant, and even added an s on the end, but nothing has  > helped me to locate the marriage - my hope being that the > certificate would be more helpful with regard to Gentleman > George's details. >   > I have Elizabeth's death details and also probate (from Ancestry) > - she is described as wife of Samuel rather than widow which > implies he was still alive in 1932. I have not been able to find > a death record.  The family story is that he was something of a > cad, treated his wife (Elizabeth) badly (not necessarily > physically but gave her little housekeeping, was demanding > agressive and drank and/or gambled. Dad's sister (born 1928) > 'remembers' him ripping the table cloth from the table causing  > everything on it to smash on the floor just because his meal was > not ready. >   > I've tried tracing Horace to no avail. I've looked at various > George Spray marriages and closely at the 1861 and 1871 censuses. > Samuel does not seem to exist prior to 1881. I should point out > that another certificate I purchased was for the birth of Samuel, > the son of Robert and Sarah Spray, born Beeston 1851 he is NOT my > Samuel although a second cousin (on dad's mother's side) has put > him on the family tree. >   > Any help would be wonderful.. All the best for the New Year to all. >   > Kara > Drury, NZ > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hallo Martyn, When I did history at school, we learned a lot about the guild system; Towns protected their tradespeople, and the quality of work produced by having Guilds (unions). These were organised by the masters of the Guilds. This system is clearly explained in the link below. http://www.middle-ages.org.uk/craft-guilds-in-the-middle-ages.htm Interestingly all the words come from the French - An Apprentice = Apprentis(Fr) learns - verb apprendre,and is tied to his master to whom he, or his parents have paid a premium for the privilege. When he or she has completed the apprenticeship, he works, and is paid by, the day = journey (nothing to do with travel, French JOURNEE = day,) but he is free to seek to work for another master, then in his own time he works on his MASTERPIECE and when this is accepted by the guild to be of sufficient quality, he is allowed to open his own business as a MASTER (French MAITRE/MAISTRE) This system was becoming less enforced throughought the 19C and 20C and I have not come across the phrase SHOP MAN, but would hazard a guess that it was simply what we would call a shop assistant, with or without training, so the enumerator could safely write that without mis-appropriating a title for the man described. Jean Wood > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 07:03:19 +1000 > Subject: [NTT] Shop Man > > My thanks are extended to David Hallam who confirmed my suspicion that OUT > OF PLACE means unemployed. > > An 25 year-old ancestor of mine worked for brother-in-law’s shoe-making > business in 1841 and was recorded as a journeyman shoe-maker in that year. > by 1851 his sister took over as the owner of the business in 1851 after her > husband had died and my ancestor was then employed as a “Shop Man”. I > understand that a journeyman was someone who had completed an apprenticeship > but did not own his own business. What is a Shop Man - is that the next > step up the ladder? Did he act as a foreman? > > Martyn > Queensland, Australia > > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My thanks are extended to David Hallam who confirmed my suspicion that OUT OF PLACE means unemployed. An 25 year-old ancestor of mine worked for brother-in-law’s shoe-making business in 1841 and was recorded as a journeyman shoe-maker in that year. by 1851 his sister took over as the owner of the business in 1851 after her husband had died and my ancestor was then employed as a “Shop Man”. I understand that a journeyman was someone who had completed an apprenticeship but did not own his own business. What is a Shop Man - is that the next step up the ladder? Did he act as a foreman? Martyn Queensland, Australia

What does OUT OF PLACE mean on a Census record. One of my ancestors was a Boot and Shoe Manufacturer in the early 1800s but he was declared bankrupt in 1863 and on the 1871 Census his occupation was recorded as Shop man Out of Place. I would be surprised if someone hadn't asked this question before but I can't find a definitive answer although I might guess what it means - perhaps Out of work? Martyn Queensland, Australia

As you guessed, it means 'Unemployed' Often used to describe domestic servants who did not have a job and therefore not living in an employer's household. David Hallam [email protected] www.beeston-notts.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: 25 December 2011 07:02 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [NTT] OUT OF PLACE > > > What does OUT OF PLACE mean on a Census record. One of my > ancestors was a > Boot and Shoe Manufacturer in the early 1800s but he was > declared bankrupt > in 1863 and on the 1871 Census his occupation was recorded as > Shop man Out > of Place. I would be surprised if someone hadn't asked this > question before > but I can't find a definitive answer although I might guess what > it means - > perhaps Out of work? > > Martyn > Queensland, Australia > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Jack, Thank you very much for taking the time to reply to my posting about Pleasley Hill and for your interesting comments therein. No, I wasn't born or bred in Pleasley although my maternal grandmother (ne HUMPHREY) was born there and my paternal grandfather (PEART) lived and ran a grocers shop in Mansfield Woodhouse where my father was born. I also have quite a few other relatives that lived in and around Pleasley Hill including, as I think I said in my posting, my great uncle Spencer Humphrey DUTTON, who ran the post office for many years from his house on Chesterfield Road and this was in Meden Square. His father Thomas DUTTON was the post master there before him. Spencer died in 1946 and I remember visiting him and my great aunt there as a very young child in the early to mid 1940s ( I was born in 1940). My great aunt Zillah DUTTON continued to live in the house until she died in 1964 although the post office was taken over by someone else and moved a few doors down the road to a much more modern building where I presume it still is today. I continued occasionally to visit my aunt there in the 1950s with my parents and emigrated to Australia in 1970 and have been here ever since. My wife and I revisited Pleasley Hill in 2001 after I retired during a holiday back in the UK. The house was still standing then although it looked unoccupied. Many other ancestors (relatives) of mine lived in the area basically HUMPHREYs and DUTTONs and there offshoots. Some of these were coal miners, some were FWKs and some worked in th Cotton Mill. One of the early DUTTONs emigrated to the USA in the 1840s and eventually became a judge! What I was trying to find out in my posting (perhaps not put as well as it should have been) was simply the precise location of my maternal grandparents grocers shop (Henry HUMPHREY). It is only really a matter of personal interest because they moved out of Pleasley Hill long before I was born and I was just trying to visualise where the shop was in PH so that I could reconcile this with my memory of Pleasley Hill. It is of no great importance other than that. Since posting to NOTTSGEN, I have discovered, with help, that the transcription of the 1891 Census in 'Findmypast" referring to the shop in Cock Lane was a misinterpreted by the transcriber. I am no longer therefore looking for Cock Lane. The shop was definitely located in Market Square however as I have found a series of newspaper advertisements for the sale of his shop in 1892 which clearly indicate its location in Market Square, Pleasley Hill. I now have a street map of Pleasley Hill dated 1921 but can find no reference to a Market Square. I also have a poor photo of my great grandparents standing in the doorway of their shop. The photo was clearly taken from the other side of the road as the building itself is quite clearly shown. I have used Google Streetview to try and identify the place but can find no building that resembles the one in question and I have concluded that it must have been demolished a long time ago. It has crossed my mind that Market Square might have been Meden Square and I was very familiar with that location in my early childhood as I indicated above but I have no recollection of the building in question. By the way, if you are familiar with Meden Square you will possibly remember the Millpond on the far side of the Square. My great aunt used to walk me across the road from her house when I was 4 or 5 years old to feed the ducks on the Millpond - I remember it clearly. There were still ducks there when I revisited the area in 2001. I am sadly coming to the conclusion that I may never know where my great grandfather's shop was located. If you know of anyone whose memory of the area dates back as far as mine or further you might show them the photo of the shop which I have attached to this email. I will also post this email to NOTTSGEN in case anyone is interested my rambling reminiscences of the area.... but without the photo of course. I realize that much the information I have relayed above was in my early posting although not all of it and I apologise for the repetition. Martyn Queensland, Australia

Hi Martyn I had intended to reply earlier but deleted your emails and did not have time to look up on the "log" (my word). I could not work out what you were requesting help with, but with my little knowledge of Pleasley etc. I was wanting to help you. It looks as if you were born and bred in Pleasley, or at least had knowledge of same in your early years. My younger brother(s) now in their 60s live at nearby New Houghton, so I spoke to one of them about your email. It appears as if the Mill(s) are still there and are let off into small units. None of us remember Cock Street. You mention Market Square, neither he nor I knew an area by that name but of course we, probably like you, know Meden Square, which is probably the same place. An old man in the village in his late 80s cannot remember either and says all his life Meden Square has been so named. It appears to be so named because of the river Meden. As to you ancestors and the mining connection, it appears as if Pleasley pit (colliery) was sunk in the early 1870s and opened in 1877. Both my brothers worked there and say it closed from producing coal in 1983, but one of them remained there on certain aspects of salvage until later - he thinks it was about 1987. Prior to nationalisation of the pit, I believe it was owned by the Stanton Iron Works Company, but you probably know the history from the internet on personal knowledge. You mentioned names, but they were not known to us and as you mentioned (I think) had long since left the area. Hope this helps a little. I doubt if there is anything on my web site that helps. Regards Jack (Richards) www.richardsbygonetimes.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Wright" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [NTT] Pleasley/Pleasley Hill, Mansfield > Hi, > > Have you tried the Google maps web site > > http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&tab=wl > > and just search for pleasley hill, then use street view on the satellite > image by dragging the little man from the top corner on to the street you > want to view. > > Also http://www.old-maps.co.uk/index.html is brilliant and free to view, > no > need to buy. > > regards > pete in mansfield > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 8:18 AM > Subject: Re: [NTT] Pleasley/Pleasley Hill, Mansfield > > >> Peter, >> >> Yes, I have a lot of historical data on Pleasley Hill from the web but as >> you say nothing in the way of a decent map or anything about the >> geography >> of the place. There is (and I think it is still there but obviously >> defunct) >> in the nearby Pleasley Vale a large Cotton Mill that was operating in the >> 19th century and late 18th century. Many of my ancestors worked there >> and >> others were FWKs and miners. >> >> Martyn >> Queensland, Australia >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Peter R Booth >> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 5:59 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [NTT] Pleaslley/Pleasley Hill, Mansfield >> >> Martyn, >> >> I just Googled Pleasley Hill and found lots of references. >> >> Apologies if you've done the same and there nothing that answers your >> question. >> >> Peter >> >> >> >> Notts Surname List >> >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2012.0.1890 / Virus Database: 2108/4689 - Release Date: 12/18/11 >> >> >> >> Notts Surname List >> >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, Have you tried the Google maps web site http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&tab=wl and just search for pleasley hill, then use street view on the satellite image by dragging the little man from the top corner on to the street you want to view. Also http://www.old-maps.co.uk/index.html is brilliant and free to view, no need to buy. regards pete in mansfield ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [NTT] Pleasley/Pleasley Hill, Mansfield > Peter, > > Yes, I have a lot of historical data on Pleasley Hill from the web but as > you say nothing in the way of a decent map or anything about the geography > of the place. There is (and I think it is still there but obviously > defunct) > in the nearby Pleasley Vale a large Cotton Mill that was operating in the > 19th century and late 18th century. Many of my ancestors worked there and > others were FWKs and miners. > > Martyn > Queensland, Australia > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter R Booth > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 5:59 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NTT] Pleaslley/Pleasley Hill, Mansfield > > Martyn, > > I just Googled Pleasley Hill and found lots of references. > > Apologies if you've done the same and there nothing that answers your > question. > > Peter > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1890 / Virus Database: 2108/4689 - Release Date: 12/18/11 > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Martyn, I just Googled Pleasley Hill and found lots of references. Apologies if you've done the same and there nothing that answers your question. Peter