On 2012/01/07 15:26, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Any mention after 1100 or maybe before surely just means at any time (?:-) > > So perhaps you might give us a chance by expanding on your request You could (should?) have added the rider "Without giving enough information to work with, you're going to be ignored" :-) -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg

Hi Aileeen, I suspect you are looking for a gradual name change from Peche to PEGG. It really is necessary to work backwards here, and not forwards from a debatable and vague possibility. I have not been doing any research for a while now but will resume shortly and if I can add anything further to the PEGG history I will let you know. Best wishes, David Fisher. "I intend to live forever... so far so good!" -- Images of BRUM at http://brummages.blogspot.com For Brummages updates follow http://twitter.com/Snygyst On 7 January 2012 13:58, <[email protected]> wrote: > From: A durn <[email protected]> > > > looking for any information on the family brothers parents etc > > for Bishop PECHE > > > > > > (1162=1188) > > > I suggest doing the obvious and Googling him. You will find a Wikipedia > entry which comes > up as the very first website. He was a medieval Bishop of Coventry and > this claims his father > was probably also a priest called Robert Peche, also a Bishop of Coventry > from 1121-1126. > There are several references at the end which may be useful to you. > > However, could I point out that if you are attemping to establish some > sort of descent or > connection to him, then you are doing it completely the wrong way round, > as so many novices > do! It is unwise to take someone famous or with a notable name from the > past and research > forwards trying to prove a link. More often than not you will end up > wasting time (and probably > money) on a futile exercise. > > There is only one way to research genealogy and that is BACKWARDS, a > generation at a > time, not moving on until you have proved each link. > > However, since it took several messages from Nivard to extract from you > the information as > to you it is you are interested in, I don't expect you will take much > notice of my advice! > > As a matter of interest, what is the connection with a Nottinghamshire > list? > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

  "Quod Verum Tutum" (The truth is Safe) ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: A durn <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Cc: Sent: Saturday, 7 January 2012, 14:07 Subject: Re: [NTT] looking for PECHE Just to assure the list, we are working backwards, and using DNA. but getting back to where registers and details are scarce, I picked the bishop as maybe someone has old books on clergy etc. didnt want to be specific, Thank you Roy for the advice, it is always good advice, start with what you know. It was a hope that someone somewhere may have found a similar name/ link thank you to the list so sorry to be a nuisance Aileen ----- Original Message ----- From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Cc: Sent: Saturday, 7 January 2012, 13:58 Subject: Re: [NTT] looking for PECHE From:               A durn <[email protected]> > looking for any information on the family brothers parents etc > for Bishop PECHE > > > (1162=1188) > I suggest doing the obvious and Googling him. You will find a Wikipedia entry which comes up as the very first website. He was a medieval Bishop of Coventry and this claims his father was probably also a priest called Robert Peche, also a Bishop of Coventry from 1121-1126. There are several references at the end which may be useful to you. However, could I point out that if you are attemping to establish some sort of descent or connection to him, then you are doing it completely the wrong way round, as so many novices do! It is unwise to take someone famous or with a notable name from the past and research forwards trying to prove a link. More often than not you will end up wasting time (and probably money) on a futile exercise. There is only one way to research genealogy and that is BACKWARDS, a generation at a time, not moving on until you have proved each link. However, since it took several messages from Nivard to extract from you the information as to you it is you are interested in, I don't expect you will take much notice of my advice! As a matter of interest, what is the connection with a Nottinghamshire list? -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

From: A durn <[email protected]> > looking for any information on the family brothers parents etc > for Bishop PECHE > > > (1162=1188) > I suggest doing the obvious and Googling him. You will find a Wikipedia entry which comes up as the very first website. He was a medieval Bishop of Coventry and this claims his father was probably also a priest called Robert Peche, also a Bishop of Coventry from 1121-1126. There are several references at the end which may be useful to you. However, could I point out that if you are attemping to establish some sort of descent or connection to him, then you are doing it completely the wrong way round, as so many novices do! It is unwise to take someone famous or with a notable name from the past and research forwards trying to prove a link. More often than not you will end up wasting time (and probably money) on a futile exercise. There is only one way to research genealogy and that is BACKWARDS, a generation at a time, not moving on until you have proved each link. However, since it took several messages from Nivard to extract from you the information as to you it is you are interested in, I don't expect you will take much notice of my advice! As a matter of interest, what is the connection with a Nottinghamshire list? -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi again Have you tried google for him? There appears to be several hits, I don't see any connection to Notts though , is there one ? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > looking for any information on the family brothers parents etc > for Bishop PECHE > > > (1162=1188)

Hi Mike That is hardly in the spirit of the list is it now ? If someone doesn't want to help or reply they don't have to It just helps to have something to work with Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > >> Any mention after 1100 or maybe before surely just means at any time (?:-) >> >> So perhaps you might give us a chance by expanding on your request > > You could (should?) have added the rider > > "Without giving enough information to work with, you're going to be ignored" :-) > > -- > Regards, > Mike Fry

looking for any information on the family brothers parents etc for Bishop PECHE (1162=1188)

Hi Aileen Forgive me but your reply has me a tad confused :-) PECCO appears to be found in the 1500's in Wiltshire and not until the 1960's in others records, BMD etc , none in the census PECHE gets more hits and some on the census and a smattering in BMD and other records Neither appear to have a Nottinghamshire connection as far as I can tell When you say "because the names appear in the uk" not sure what you mean Any mention after 1100 or maybe before surely just means at any time (? :-) So perhaps you might give us a chance by expanding on your request If we know when and where we should be looking we may be able to find something more relevant for you Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hello Nivard > > the reason I didnt give dates and places, because the names appear in uk and france > any mention after 1100 or maybe before > > > aileen

Jo-Ann, You must be sleepy having called me Brain - or perhaps you do know me!!! I can send you the relevant images if you want - but later. I'm off to the Nottingham Forest vs Leicester FA Cup match, and then a grandson's birthday party, so it could be tomorrow. Brian (Brain) Binns -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 07 January 2012 12:37 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NTT] 1911 census search Thank you Brain, Nival, Mike, Peter, Bill and anyone else if I missed you. Thank you all for all the advice and where to check. Right now I am awake at 4 am so I will wait until my mind is in better shape to look at all the places you have given me. I was doing the free research on Find my part thinking I would buy credits if I found enough. I have ancestry and they are getting some. More seems to be in Nottingham or at least a lot of mine. Its just one of those things to fill in the missing two. II will check out all after I try to sleep more. I know now is not the time. Just wanted to thank everyone for all your help and input. You are such a great group. And I find that some names (Brain and Nival) has helped me with so many of my post over the years. Thank you everyone for trying to help me find my missing link on this one census. Strange how one will keep bugging you until one day it is there to stop the nagging mind to finish at least until the new 1940 USA comes out soon. Then follow them from there. Sincerely Jo-Ann In a message dated 1/7/2012 1:23:19 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Jo-Ann, I have found Elizabeth's parents on the 1911 census in Bishops Wood, Brewood, Staffs, as you indeed may have, and Elizabeth is not there. She was living away from home as a Teacher on the 1901 census, so I suppose there is no reason that she should still be with her parents, but when all else fails you try anything. Goodness me, she is elusive isn't she? Incidentally she states Wolverhampton as her birthplace on the 1901 census. There is an Elizabeth Hackett, recorded as Hakcet on Find my Past, aged 28, born in Wolverhampton. She is working as a barmaid in a Hotel on Stafford Street, Hanley, Staffs. There appears to be a page missing on Find my Past, as it doesn't show the page with the householder's declaration, so the name of the Hotel is not shown. Apart from the obvious divergence of occupation, she fits. Maybe she boarded there as a Teacher, but helped out in the Hotel at night, hence the use of the word "barmaid." The reference is RG14PN16538 RG78PN1022 RD361 SD1 ED28 SN2 By the way, Ancestry appears not to have a complete 1911 census of Staffs yet. I tried with the Publican's name at this hotel, a George Chamberlain, but he couldn't be found. Hope this helps, Brian Binns -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 06 January 2012 20:45 To: [email protected] Subject: [NTT] 1911 census search Looking for a clue on my research. I have tried everything I know to do even adding additional years to ages. I am trying to find Arthur Vickers born 1884 Basford, Nottingham. Elizabeth Anne Hackett born 1883 Brewood, Staffordshire. They were married in Oct of 1911 he lived in Boldmere ? I think that is in Warwickshire. And she was living in Brewood, Staffordshire. Like I said I have tried every thing I know of and sure there are other ways I have no clue of. I cannot find Arthur Vickers or Elizabeth Hackett. Like I say they were married 12 Oct 1911 in Staffordshire. I have the marriage certificate. Would it be possible that they both did not fill in the census. Arthur Vickers was at the time of marriage a Manufacturing stationers Manager. Elizabeth a school teacher. I would think they would be responsible people and fill in the census. Any input as to why I am having trouble finding at least one would be appreciated very much. Jo-Ann Vickers Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4726 - Release Date: 01/06/12 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4726 - Release Date: 01/06/12 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4727 - Release Date: 01/06/12 Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4727 - Release Date: 01/06/12 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4727 - Release Date: 01/06/12 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4727 - Release Date: 01/06/12

At 11:13 07/01/2012, Brian Binns wrote: >So George obviously emigrated from what would have been a very >industrialised village, Ironville, to the wilds of Australia, where he >married and had a family. He then came back to Hanley, Stoke on Trent, which >with all due respect would not have been the most idyllic of places in those >days. I have never had the chance nor opportunity to go to Australia, but I >have been to Ironville and Hanley - and I know which one I would have chosen >- even now, let alone then! I have a postcard view of Hanley around then - see 4th row down: http://www.ancestryhost.org/andymick/fhpiccies.htm for "A Whiff of Hanley". I'm afraid I've forgotten the name of the photographer. Andy.

Hello Nivard the reason I didnt give dates and places, because the names appear in uk and france any mention after 1100 or maybe before aileen

Hi Aileen It may help to say where and when Presumably you have a connection to the name and can place it somewhere? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) Hello to the list would love to hear from anyone with information on the PECHE name, or any connection thanks in advance aileen

 Hello to the list would love to hear from anyone with information on the PECHE name, or any connection thanks in advance aileen

hello to the list I would love to hear from anyone with PEGG/PEGGE connections all dates aileen

An interesting aside to the quest to find Arthur Vickers and Elizabeth Hackett for Jo-Ann Vickers, is the family that Elizabeth was staying with, in Hanley, Stoke on Trent in 1911. The Hotel Proprietor was a George Chamberlain whose birthplace is shown as Ironville, Derbyshire - just over the border from the likes of Brinsley and Jacksdale in Notts. However his wife had been born in South Australia, and his two children in Melbourne, Australia. So George obviously emigrated from what would have been a very industrialised village, Ironville, to the wilds of Australia, where he married and had a family. He then came back to Hanley, Stoke on Trent, which with all due respect would not have been the most idyllic of places in those days. I have never had the chance nor opportunity to go to Australia, but I have been to Ironville and Hanley - and I know which one I would have chosen - even now, let alone then! That aside, it just shows how people moved around a hundred or more years ago. Brian Binns _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4727 - Release Date: 01/06/12

Hi Nivard, The transcribers at Find my Past have actually recorded it as Harcket, not as I originally advised. On the actual return which I have on the screen in front of me, the word Boarder has been added by the enumerator, with ditto marks for all the other persons listed below Elizabeth. It was not recorded by the main householder. However, as you rightly say, Elizabeth is denoted as an "assistant" whereas all the others are servants. I still think that this is Jo-Ann's elusive Elizabeth. Brian Binns -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 07 January 2012 09:56 To: Brian Binns; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [NTT] 1911 census search Hi Brian & Jo-Ann Ancestry have the full 1911 for Staffs but its not transcribed as yet You can search the RG78 summaries which are very useful for addresses I find Being summaries they usually record the surname only or with initials , so a search for CHAMBERLAIN and keywords Stafford street Hanley finds one hit in 1911 Looking at that finds the Hotel is the Saracens Head schedule 2 Looking at the 1911 for Staffs and selecting Hanley ED28 page 4 (usually 2 pages per schedule, 4 in this case as its the large schedule) finds the page for the Hotel & occupants The name is actually Elizabeth HACCKET on the page and it looks to me as if he simply did not know how to spell the name or just entered a stray C , (I have done it myself :-) Against her name and the others after the CHAMBERLAINs is the word Boarder , her relationship to the head of household is assistant, all the others after her are servants G CHAMBERLAIN signs the schedule, address Saracens Hotel (43 rooms) It certainly looks like a good possibility for her Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > The reference is RG14PN16538 RG78PN1022 RD361 SD1 ED28 SN2 > By the way, Ancestry appears not to have a complete 1911 census of Staffs > yet. I tried with the Publican's name at this hotel, a George Chamberlain, > but he couldn't be found. > > Hope this helps, > > Brian Binns ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4727 - Release Date: 01/06/12 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4727 - Release Date: 01/06/12 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4727 - Release Date: 01/06/12

Hi Brian & Jo-Ann Ancestry have the full 1911 for Staffs but its not transcribed as yet You can search the RG78 summaries which are very useful for addresses I find Being summaries they usually record the surname only or with initials , so a search for CHAMBERLAIN and keywords Stafford street Hanley finds one hit in 1911 Looking at that finds the Hotel is the Saracens Head schedule 2 Looking at the 1911 for Staffs and selecting Hanley ED28 page 4 (usually 2 pages per schedule, 4 in this case as its the large schedule) finds the page for the Hotel & occupants The name is actually Elizabeth HACCKET on the page and it looks to me as if he simply did not know how to spell the name or just entered a stray C , (I have done it myself :-) Against her name and the others after the CHAMBERLAINs is the word Boarder , her relationship to the head of household is assistant, all the others after her are servants G CHAMBERLAIN signs the schedule, address Saracens Hotel (43 rooms) It certainly looks like a good possibility for her Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > The reference is RG14PN16538 RG78PN1022 RD361 SD1 ED28 SN2 > By the way, Ancestry appears not to have a complete 1911 census of Staffs > yet. I tried with the Publican's name at this hotel, a George Chamberlain, > but he couldn't be found. > > Hope this helps, > > Brian Binns

Jo-Ann, I have found Elizabeth's parents on the 1911 census in Bishops Wood, Brewood, Staffs, as you indeed may have, and Elizabeth is not there. She was living away from home as a Teacher on the 1901 census, so I suppose there is no reason that she should still be with her parents, but when all else fails you try anything. Goodness me, she is elusive isn't she? Incidentally she states Wolverhampton as her birthplace on the 1901 census. There is an Elizabeth Hackett, recorded as Hakcet on Find my Past, aged 28, born in Wolverhampton. She is working as a barmaid in a Hotel on Stafford Street, Hanley, Staffs. There appears to be a page missing on Find my Past, as it doesn't show the page with the householder's declaration, so the name of the Hotel is not shown. Apart from the obvious divergence of occupation, she fits. Maybe she boarded there as a Teacher, but helped out in the Hotel at night, hence the use of the word "barmaid." The reference is RG14PN16538 RG78PN1022 RD361 SD1 ED28 SN2 By the way, Ancestry appears not to have a complete 1911 census of Staffs yet. I tried with the Publican's name at this hotel, a George Chamberlain, but he couldn't be found. Hope this helps, Brian Binns -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 06 January 2012 20:45 To: [email protected] Subject: [NTT] 1911 census search Looking for a clue on my research. I have tried everything I know to do even adding additional years to ages. I am trying to find Arthur Vickers born 1884 Basford, Nottingham. Elizabeth Anne Hackett born 1883 Brewood, Staffordshire. They were married in Oct of 1911 he lived in Boldmere ? I think that is in Warwickshire. And she was living in Brewood, Staffordshire. Like I said I have tried every thing I know of and sure there are other ways I have no clue of. I cannot find Arthur Vickers or Elizabeth Hackett. Like I say they were married 12 Oct 1911 in Staffordshire. I have the marriage certificate. Would it be possible that they both did not fill in the census. Arthur Vickers was at the time of marriage a Manufacturing stationers Manager. Elizabeth a school teacher. I would think they would be responsible people and fill in the census. Any input as to why I am having trouble finding at least one would be appreciated very much. Jo-Ann Vickers Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4726 - Release Date: 01/06/12 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4726 - Release Date: 01/06/12 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4727 - Release Date: 01/06/12

Jo-Ann, Have you possibly been looking for them as a married couple? They would both be single at the time of the census around March 1911. They could even be with parents. If you have the marriage certificate, it should give ages, addresses and fathers' names and occupations. A quick look at the old 1911 site shows possibilities for both people in the Lichfield area of Staffordshire. I suspect you've been too tight with your criteria. It's not impossible that Ancestry has missed a page, but I don't think so. So have another try. Peter

Jo-Ann, There is an Arthur Vickolds (sic) a boarder at 158a High Road, Willesden, Middlesex. He is aged 27 (b.1884) and was born in Nottingham, and is working as a "Wholesale Druggist's Clerk." Given that it was the householder who filled in the details, the surname could easily have been mis-written. Could this occupation possibly suggest working for Boots the Chemist? They were also Stationers, so this may fit in with his occupation on his marriage certificate. I found this name by searching with Find My Past, for all Arthurs born 1884 in Nottingham. The reference is RG14PN7061 RG78PN346B RD129 SD1 ED81 SN376. By looking at previous and following images, it would appear that High Road is a shopping street, so the Boots connection may be valid. Brian Binns -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 06 January 2012 20:45 To: [email protected] Subject: [NTT] 1911 census search Looking for a clue on my research. I have tried everything I know to do even adding additional years to ages. I am trying to find Arthur Vickers born 1884 Basford, Nottingham. Elizabeth Anne Hackett born 1883 Brewood, Staffordshire. They were married in Oct of 1911 he lived in Boldmere ? I think that is in Warwickshire. And she was living in Brewood, Staffordshire. Like I said I have tried every thing I know of and sure there are other ways I have no clue of. I cannot find Arthur Vickers or Elizabeth Hackett. Like I say they were married 12 Oct 1911 in Staffordshire. I have the marriage certificate. Would it be possible that they both did not fill in the census. Arthur Vickers was at the time of marriage a Manufacturing stationers Manager. Elizabeth a school teacher. I would think they would be responsible people and fill in the census. Any input as to why I am having trouble finding at least one would be appreciated very much. Jo-Ann Vickers Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4726 - Release Date: 01/06/12 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4726 - Release Date: 01/06/12 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4727 - Release Date: 01/06/12