Goodmorning everyone, I live in Queensland, Australia and I'm trying to track the Wild/Wilde family. Ellen Wild was born 1907 at Mansfield, Nottingham and died in Rotherham, Yorkshire in 1995. Her parents were Sylvanus Wild and Emma Elliott who married in Mansfield in 1905. My apologies if I have posted this wrongly but I am new to this type of request and if some kind person should find time to advise me one way or the other I would appreciate it. Thank you in anticipation, Bill James.

From: "Peter R Booth" <[email protected]> > Roy, > > While acknowledging your arguments, I happen to have a contrary > opinion. > > I apply the "IF" test. If it were me, would I like this > information to be made public. If NO, then don't be the one responsible for it > being made public. > > I took a very dim view of information on my young children being > made public. And it's there for the rest of their lifetime, whether they > like it or not. They didn't get to choose. > > Peter So why bother doing your family history at all or participating in any of these lists? What's the point if you think it's too sacrosanct to share it with anybody else? What on earth are any of us here for and why do we belong to mailing lists at all? Either we think our family history and researches are important enough for us to want to share and communicate with those with whom we share a common heritage or we do not. There is no halfway house. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

From: [email protected] > From: "Peter R Booth" <[email protected]> > > > If looking for living descendants just be aware of privacy > issues.> > > Paranoid nonsense! > > There aren't any privacy issues except those introduced by those who are > obsessed with secrecy and censorship, which has no place in the modern world and > most certainly does not belong in family history > > If family history is not about the living as well as the dead, then > what on earth is it about? How are people supposed to find living relatives and connect with them, > also share their family history and mutual sources, if they are not allowed to connect with > one another? > > Utter, utter nonsense !!!!!> May I be permitted to add a few points? 1) Anyone who gives their mother's maiden name as a codeword to a bank or building society or any other financial institution is off their trolley! If you have done so, then change it immediately. All they want is a codeword that only you and they recognise. 2) There is absolutely nothing sacrosanct about living people. We all appear in telephone books, electoral registers and in lord-knows-how-many databases held by government departments, the NHS, large companies, etc. How many times do you phone a company wanting to order something and a young girl asks you for your postcode and she then tells you who who are and where you live? We all appear in databases everywhere, so why get obsessed with privacy in Rootsweb lists? 3) Should family historians and genealogists really participate in suppressing freedom of information concerning living people? I urge everyone to consider these questions. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

From: "Peter R Booth" <[email protected]> > If looking for living descendants just be aware of privacy issues.> Paranoid nonsense! There aren't any privacy issues except those introduced by those who are obsessed with secrecy and censorship, which has no place in the modern world and most certainly does not belong in family history If family history is not about the living as well as the dead, then what on earth is it about? How are people supposed to find living relatives and connect with them, also share their family history and mutual sources, if they are not allowed to connect with one another? Utter, utter nonsense !!!!! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi Peter Just to say I had a mail off list from Bill and have given him some food for thought to pass on to his acquaintance I suspect he may be back once its digested :-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Bill, > > Just to add to what others have said, check larger libraries or FHS > centres in your area. Many offer free access to Ancestry or FindMyPast. That > will provide 1841-1911 census records and BMD records 1937-2006. > > As has been said, it depends if you are looking backwards for ancestors > or looking forward to current day descendants. > > If looking for living descendants just be aware of privacy issues. > > Peter

From: "Bill James" <[email protected]> > Goodmorning everyone, > I live in Queensland, Australia and I'm trying to track the > Wild/Wilde family. Ellen Wild was born 1907 at Mansfield, Nottingham > and died in Rotherham, Yorkshire in 1995. Her parents were Sylvanus > Wild and Emma Elliott who married in Mansfield in 1905. > My apologies if I have posted this wrongly but I am new to this type > of request and if some kind person should find time to advise me one > way or the other I would appreciate it. > Thank you in anticipation, > Bill James. > Actually, if you check the 1911 census you will find that Ellen wasn't born at Mansfield, nor was her elder sister Edith. They were born at Tibshelf, Derbyshire, because that is where Sylvanus and Emma were living at the time - Tibshelf, near Alfreton - Sylvanus being a miner. The mother Emma was also born at Tibshelf. The registration district was indeed Mansfield but it crossed the Nottinghamshire-Derbyshire border and this is where so many beginners go wrong! You must understand that many registration districts crossed over into more than one county, therefore you need to refine your researches to take this into account. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Off topic, but... Anything you ever type here, or in any email is handled by server's and ends up in various databases. Nothing you send over the internet is private. If you have for example a hotmail account. All your mail, incoming, outgoing, trash and even deletions, is sitting in their database. Takes one bad apple to release it all anywhere anytime. If you think using the internet protects your privacy, think about it harder. Cheers Tammy Mitchell BC Canada ~~ www.TammyMitchell.com (genealogy) www.CoTyrone.com (genealogy) www.MemorialHiways.com (roadside memorials) On 04/02/2012 5:51 PM, John Poxon wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I would like to add to the dialogue by stating that there is a person with > the same surname as myself who I have reason to believe is a subscriber to > this List, who has published on details of living members of my family > including my children, against my wishes. > > That person has refused to answer emails about this offensive behaviour, and > the Internet site has basically washed its hands of the matter, saying that > I have to talk to the person who published the tree. This leaves me with > little choice to but to join with family members to take legal action > against the offending parties if the matter is to be settled. > > This is a perfect example of how it is NOT alright to publish information > about living people without their consent, and is also a case for Internet > sites to take a ethically responsible attitude towards addressing issues > such as this. > > Regards > > John Poxon > essage

From: "Nivard Ovington" <[email protected]> > Hi Bill > > Nothing wrong with your post except its not very clear what you are > looking for? > > Are you looking to take this family back before 1905 or are you > looking for living relatives, in > which case this is not the best place for your enquiry > > Let us know and we can hopefully advise better > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > Goodmorning everyone, > > I live in Queensland, Australia and I'm trying to track the Wild/Wilde family. Ellen Wild was born > 1907 at Mansfield, Nottingham and died in Rotherham, Yorkshire in 1995. Her parents were Sylvanus > > Wild and Emma Elliott who married in Mansfield in 1905. > > My apologies if I have posted this wrongly but I am new to this type of request and if some kind > > person should find time to advise me one way or the other I would appreciate it. > > Thank you in anticipation, > > Bill James. > > As Nivard says, we really need to know what it is that you want. If you want to trace the family back before 1905, then the obvious thing to do is look at the 1911 and 1901 censuses and then the earlier Victorian ones back to 1841. To be able to do this, you need a subscription to either - or both - of the two major websites that carry them, Ancestry and Findmypast. Personally, I am very much a Findmypast man but Nivard thinks otherwise! Whatever you decide, you cannot hope to trace the family back without having a subscription to one or other of these sites. You should also, however, try and trace them at FreeBMD, which has many millions of birth, marriage and death records from the General Register Office for England & Wales online. This can be found at: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl and does not require a subscription. The GRO records go back to July 1st 1837 and then you are back to the parish registers. If you wish to trace forwards to living descendants, then this is more difficult. I personally do very often know how to do it but I am unable to post details publicly because Rootsweb has a policy of not allowing the mention of living people on their mailing lists. Personally, I happen to think this is nonsense - because family history is surely just as much about living people as the dead - but others may not agree with me. If you want to go down this route, then I suggest you reply to me privately. However, we do need to know more details about what it is that you want, exactly, to do. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi Bill Nothing wrong with your post except its not very clear what you are looking for? Are you looking to take this family back before 1905 or are you looking for living relatives, in which case this is not the best place for your enquiry Let us know and we can hopefully advise better Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Goodmorning everyone, > I live in Queensland, Australia and I'm trying to track the Wild/Wilde family. Ellen Wild was born > 1907 at Mansfield, Nottingham and died in Rotherham, Yorkshire in 1995. Her parents were Sylvanus > Wild and Emma Elliott who married in Mansfield in 1905. > My apologies if I have posted this wrongly but I am new to this type of request and if some kind > person should find time to advise me one way or the other I would appreciate it. > Thank you in anticipation, > Bill James. >

There was another Plimsoll Terrace in Hyson Green. This was off Plimsoll Street which in turn was off Bobbers Mill Road. You will need to find out which Plimsoll Terrace it is that the newspaper is referring to. Ztan Zmith Editor Basford Bystander -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 03 February 2012 08:00 To: [email protected] Subject: NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 28 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Newham - a bit of a rogue! (Brian Binns) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 08:16:20 -0000 From: "Brian Binns" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [NTT] Newham - a bit of a rogue! To: "'Andrea Newham'" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Andrea, Plimsoll Terrace was off Denman Street, Radford, in the section between Norton Road and Bulwer Road. I can send you a scan off list of the area. The map I have is 50 inches to 1 mile, so is very detailed, but it is a map of the 1960s with a lot of redevelopment, so am not sure if the houses shown are the terraced houses in existence in the 1930s. Brian Binns -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Andrea Newham Sent: 01 February 2012 21:08 To: [email protected] Subject: [NTT] Newham - a bit of a rogue! Hello folks I have uncovered 1934/35 newspaper article(s) telling of the court case of a Thomas Newham of Plimsoll Terrace who robbed the meter and went off for some time before handing himself in as he was fed-up of wandering! He was later imprisoned leaving his young family to the mercies of the means test - his character was reported to be quite worthless. this does rather back up family folklore which said he tended to wander off,was not a good father and was in prison possibly more than once PLUS he also managed to invalid himself out of the trenches of WW1 by shooting himself in the foot. I have found his attestation records which appear to indicate this story is true! That's the background but what id like to know is: Where was Plimsoll Terrace? Would Thomas have been sent to Nottingham Prison and would there be records of his time there? Andrea Newham Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4779 - Release Date: 02/01/12 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4779 - Release Date: 02/01/12 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4779 - Release Date: 02/01/12 ------------------------------ End of NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 28 *************************************** ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4782 - Release Date: 02/02/12

Andrea, Plimsoll Terrace was off Denman Street, Radford, in the section between Norton Road and Bulwer Road. I can send you a scan off list of the area. The map I have is 50 inches to 1 mile, so is very detailed, but it is a map of the 1960s with a lot of redevelopment, so am not sure if the houses shown are the terraced houses in existence in the 1930s. Brian Binns -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Andrea Newham Sent: 01 February 2012 21:08 To: [email protected] Subject: [NTT] Newham - a bit of a rogue! Hello folks I have uncovered 1934/35 newspaper article(s) telling of the court case of a Thomas Newham of Plimsoll Terrace who robbed the meter and went off for some time before handing himself in as he was fed-up of wandering! He was later imprisoned leaving his young family to the mercies of the means test - his character was reported to be quite worthless. this does rather back up family folklore which said he tended to wander off,was not a good father and was in prison possibly more than once PLUS he also managed to invalid himself out of the trenches of WW1 by shooting himself in the foot. I have found his attestation records which appear to indicate this story is true! That's the background but what id like to know is: Where was Plimsoll Terrace? Would Thomas have been sent to Nottingham Prison and would there be records of his time there? Andrea Newham Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4779 - Release Date: 02/01/12 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4779 - Release Date: 02/01/12 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4779 - Release Date: 02/01/12

Hello folks I have uncovered 1934/35 newspaper article(s) telling of the court case of a Thomas Newham of Plimsoll Terrace who robbed the meter and went off for some time before handing himself in as he was fed-up of wandering! He was later imprisoned leaving his young family to the mercies of the means test - his character was reported to be quite worthless. this does rather back up family folklore which said he tended to wander off,was not a good father and was in prison possibly more than once PLUS he also managed to invalid himself out of the trenches of WW1 by shooting himself in the foot. I have found his attestation records which appear to indicate this story is true! That's the background but what id like to know is: Where was Plimsoll Terrace? Would Thomas have been sent to Nottingham Prison and would there be records of his time there? Andrea Newham

Hi   I am researching the Furguson Family in Nottingham and believe James Furguson was originally from Scotland.  I don't know why he went to Nottingham, does anyone know if anything was happening in Nottingham in 1820's. James a blacksmith and his wife Ann were living in Drake St when their daughter Jane was born in 1824.   Any help would be greatly appreciated.   Regards   Jean Sandiford

Hi Jeanette, see http://www.greasleyparish.com/stmaryschurch.htm The parish registers begin in 1660 but the early ones are in poor condition and there are some missing between 1653 and 1723. http://www.londonfhc.org/content/catalogue?p=England,England,Nottingham,Greasley&f=1 May be of some help. Lynne. Sydney, AUSTRALIA. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanette Brentnall" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 3:42 PM Subject: [NTT] Parish registers for Nottingham 1600-1700s (baptisms) > Try as I have, I cannot find a website where I can view parish registers > showing baptisms in Nottinghamshire, probably St. Mary's Church, Greasly, > for the 1600 - 1700s. > Are they not available, or am I searching in all the wrong places? > (I'm looking for CHARLES BRENTNALL, born c. 1700, and his siblings and > parents.) > > Many thanks, > Jeanette Brentnall > Queensland, Australia

Jeanette, They may exist, but it doesn't look like they have been Indexed by Family Search or put on the Notts FHS CD. Just a correction to John's note. The Hugh Wallis site suggests that the 1609-1830 records are only for marriages. But you could use them for all Brentnall marriages which would give you some clues. Nevertheless, I'd try the new Family Search site again. They are putting on so many new records it's hard to keep up. If that fails you might check the Family Search catalogue and see if they are on microfiche and can be ordered. Otherwise, go to Notts Archives and see where they are stored. You might have to take a trip to Nottingham. Peter

It is true that modern usage is FRANCES for a female and FRANCIS for a male, but I have several such in my family. Remember that spelling only began to settle in the 18C and 19C but many people were not so well educated, or in some cases followed personal, family usage, where it could be variable. You ALWAYS have to verify the gender of a child by census records, baptism (if stated) or other sources, whatever the name. There are MANY names with dual use. Jean Wood > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 19:51:16 -0800 > Subject: Re: [NTT] Parents of Frances CARTER Born Brough Nott 1877 > > Dear Bill, > > I am not very good at the English research, but do have Frances/Francis in > my names. > I have found when it is spelled Frances with an "es" it's a girl. Francis > with an "is" is a boy. > You have spelled it both ways, so do you know if it is a male or female for > sure? > > Debbie > USA > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 3:48 PM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: [NTT] Parents of Frances CARTER Born Brough Nott 1877 > > > Good Day > > > > I was wondering if someone can tell me who the Parents are of Frances > > CARTER > > born in 1877 Brough Notts are > > > > Frances CARTER spelled "Francis" is on the 1881 census RG 11 Piece 3379 / > > 128 living with a John & Mary WILLOW > > of Stubton > > > > The Reason that I would like to know is that she is listed with my wife's > > two relations > > Elizabeth and Susanna CARTER and we are trying to see if this girl is an > > relation or a missing sister > > > > Thank you > > > > Bill Stratton > > Cole Harbour NS > > Canada > > > > > > > > Notts Surname List > > > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Try as I have, I cannot find a website where I can view parish registers showing baptisms in Nottinghamshire, probably St. Mary's Church, Greasly, for the 1600 - 1700s. Are they not available, or am I searching in all the wrong places? (I'm looking for CHARLES BRENTNALL, born c. 1700, and his siblings and parents.) Many thanks, Jeanette Brentnall Queensland, Australia

Bill, 1881 census has Elizabeth Carter 7, Susanna Carter 6 and Francis Carter 4 living in Stubton, LINCS with John & Mary Willows. Unfortunately the three girls are shown as visitors, so no relationship is obvious. But the first guess would have to be sisters Perhaps also significant is that all have different birthplaces. Elizabeth - Brant Broughton, LINCS Susanna - none shown Frances - Brough, NOTTS So I think that unless you can find them in later census records with parents or next of kin, you're going to be stuck with purchasing some certificates. Try 1891 census. They should all still be single. If living together, relationships may be shown. You could also look for Carter marriages and deaths 1870-1880. I'd also try to find the marriage of John Willows to see if Mary was a Carter. Peter

I am also currently researching CARTER in Nottinghamshire and have a number of records that I have transcribed from FHL films but I just haven't had the time to get all of them on my website. I do have a few records now, check CARTER and/or NOTTINGHAMSHIRE sections. I was in Florida for a couple of weeks, then there was Christmas...so I am way behind in both my transcribing and getting stuff on my website, so for the next couple of months keep an eye on it while I catch up. BTW My CARTERs emigrated to the Niagara Falls area of Canada. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento, CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

In case there is any confusion - Huw WALLIS provides an indication as to which registers have been included in the IGI The Family History Library Catalogue shows what has been filmed and is available at LDS Family History Centres and this clearly shows the following for GREASLEY Baptisms, marriages & burials 1601 - 1812 Film 503497 Baptisms, marriages & buials 1813 - 1830 Film 504514 John M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter R Booth" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 5:18 AM Subject: Re: [NTT] Parish registers for Nottingham 1600-1700s (baptisms) > Jeanette, > > They may exist, but it doesn't look like they have been Indexed by > Family Search or put on the Notts FHS CD. > > Just a correction to John's note. The Hugh Wallis site suggests that > the > 1609-1830 records are only for marriages. But you could use them for all > Brentnall marriages which would give you some clues. > > Nevertheless, I'd try the new Family Search site again. They are > putting > on so many new records it's hard to keep up. > > If that fails you might check the Family Search catalogue and see if > they are on microfiche and can be ordered. Otherwise, go to Notts Archives > and see where they are stored. You might have to take a trip to > Nottingham. > > Peter > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message