Wendy, Family Search has four possibilities. I think East Markham is probably the closest. But the only way to know for sure is to buy the marriage certificate from GRO. I know buying lots of certificates gets expensive, but, if you're selective, it can sometimes save weeks of searching and cost of travel to research centres. It depends how much you want the data. Peter

The Derby Mercury Wed. December 30th 1835 At Antigua on 5th November of the yellow fever, Samuel, second son of the Rev. G. ALMOND, formerly of Nottingham. Diane J. (No connection)

>>> I have resubbed after some time and would like to list my interests: >>>Bostock-Greasley >>>I would love to hear from anyone with an interest in any of these families. >>>Margot >>>Gladstone, QLD Hi Margot, One of my long-time dead ends is ELIZABETH BOSTOCK. She married CHRISTOPHER WHYLEY in Greasley on May 16th, 1768 and then moved back to Gedling with him. She died there in 1780. I have been unable to find any convincing candidate for a christening or parents for her. You don't happen to have a spare Elizabeth do you? John Peel

Trying to find the baptism of a George or George William - surnname may be LAMPLOUGH. Mother's name Sarah Ann PEET or PEAT. He was born about 1882 in Hucknall Torkard- his birth isn't on GRO under LAMPLOUGH. Is there anyone who is going to the Archives, prepared to have a quick look for a baptism in Hucknall Torkard around 1882? I suspect that George wasn't the son of the person he appeared with on 1891 census, nor were his 'father' and his mother married (I believe he was still married to another). His brother Tom or John Thomas and his sister Elizabeth Ann don't appear on GRO although the two younger ones do. I have found I think George with his father in 1901 with the surname SMITH and his mother and sisters elsewhere in Derbyshire - also with the surname SMITH. So what surname he was born with is anyone's guess. Lin A true friend walks in when the world walks out

Shirley, Might be worth posting a request to rootsweb's Gypsy-genealogy message board:- http://boards.rootsweb.com/topics.ethnic.gypsy/mb.ashx John Hardy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Wood" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; "Nottsgen" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [NTT] NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 50 > > Thank you; you are of course absolutely right! > > So, apart from the BBC, Shirley could also try contacting those two people > and see whether either can directly, or indirectly, guide her to their > sources.....maybe even others, not mentioned on the programme. > > Jean Wood > > >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected]; [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [NTT] NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 50 >> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 13:56:02 +0000 >> >> Hi Jean & fellow listers >> My recollection of the programs was :- >> 1) Tracey Emin had a travellers background and >> 2) Larry Lamb had travelling/circus connections >> >> Best wishes >> Frances

Your recollection is spot on Frances I have to say I did not think much of Tracy Emin before or after her show but having just watched a repeat of her episode I found it more enjoyable the second time around Likewise with Larry Lamb I did not think it was going to be very interesting (who is Larry Lamb was my question) but found it very good, that would be the one more relevant to Shirley I would say Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi Jean & fellow listers > My recollection of the programs was :- > 1) Tracey Emin had a travellers background and > 2) Larry Lamb had travelling/circus connections > > Best wishes > Frances

Hi Jan Have you researched your HARGREAVES line? Maxine >Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 >From: "Jan Hargreaves" <[email protected]> > >I stared my family history in 1981 and Mum and Dad were fascinated, we found >out that My paternal grandfather was illigitimate which didn't suprise Dad, >but when I told my Uncle his reaction was 'of course she was married, she >had THREE children'. I had great difficulty find out when my Gt Grandmother >died until we realised that she was buried under the name of the man she was >living with at the time (still unmarried) > >Jan

Thank you; you are of course absolutely right! So, apart from the BBC, Shirley could also try contacting those two people and see whether either can directly, or indirectly, guide her to their sources.....maybe even others, not mentioned on the programme. Jean Wood > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NTT] NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 50 > Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 13:56:02 +0000 > > Hi Jean & fellow listers > My recollection of the programs was :- > 1) Tracey Emin had a travellers background and > 2) Larry Lamb had travelling/circus connections > > Best wishes > Frances > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jean Wood > Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 9:04 AM > To: [email protected] ; Nottsgen > Subject: Re: [NTT] NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 50 > > > There was a very interesting programme on Who do you think you are? a few > months back where someone was descended from a Traveller community and Yes, > as far as I remember, fairgrounds were concerned. Once they tracked down one > of the current family, a huge amount of information surfaced - and lots of > siblings. > > You could try the BBC to ask Which Programme, and what names were > concerned - I do not remember but there were some different, unusual, > sources mentioned. I did not note them down though. > > I used to teach proper gipsy children (of Romany origin) on a Hants/Berks > border site, and they were always very particular about observing marriages > etc, so that when one child was discovered (about 1970) unknown to the > authorities, he had been hidden by the family as he was illegitimate and > unregistered. (He was perfectly well looked after) But when he came to > school, although of junior age (over 7) he was sent to the infant school as > he did not know many basic things - like what a pencil was. He caught up > quickly, but the shame to the family was great. > > Jean Wood > > > > Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:32:23 +0000 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [NTT] NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 50 > > > > I started my family tree about 15 years ago,I started with my father's > > side of the family and discovered my grandfather was illigitimate,fell out > > with my cousin over that one! I found some unexpected surprises that I was > > quite happy with, I then proceeded to do my mother's side of the family > > and it's been a nightmare so far! My mother always told me she was > > illigitimate,her mother either didn't know the father or just refused to > > say. My mother has used 4 different maiden names on her certificates for > > marriage and births,lucky I chose to do the family history to explain it > > all! My Gran got married the following year after mum was born,step > > grandfather Harry Williams said he was 26 in 1907 when they married in > > Ashby Z and he was a coal miner so then I tried to find him in > > 1881,1891,1901 without any luck and finally found him on 1911 census, I > > also tried to find his father William Williams (deceased in 1907) with no > > luck either. The place of birth for > > step grandfather was Castle Ashby,Norths which I took to be > > Northampton,the only trouble is his job was now Traveller! on the > > roundabouts so obviously fairground (now living in Pudsey in 1911) > > Maybe this is why I can't track him down,too much moving about! I have no > > idea when he died or where and Gran remarried in 1939 in Nottingham saying > > she was a widow. I tried looking at the electoral rolls in Nottingham > > between 1926 and 1952 but he wasn't with Gran. I have looked on the war > > graves site but he has a common surname of Williams. There were half a > > dozen more children after mum,half of them were Harry's but the other half > > belong to a Peter Williams. > > No idea who he was. > > I have tried talking to a few cousins but they know less than I do! > > The only new clue I have is the name Dashwood which is what mum used on my > > youngest brother's birth certificate and a family tree recently popped up > > on Ancestry with a similar name in it which I think is an older brother of > > my mother living in Nottingham,I did try to contact the person a couple of > > times but no reply was the answer! > > I may have to wait for another census to come out before I can move any > > further. I can't tell you how much I have struggled with this crowd! > > Any suggestions where I look next? > > > > Shirley > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Friday, 17 February 2012, 22:55 > > Subject: NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 50 > > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 48 > > ([email protected]) > > 2. Chapel Street, Radford (Rosemary Probert) > > 3. Re: Chapel Street, Radford (Brian Binns) > > 4. Re: Skeletons (was: NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 48) > > (The Quineys) > > 5. Divorce (Louis Mills) > > 6. Skeletons (was: NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 48) (Jean Wood) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:03:49 -0000 > > From: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [NTT] NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 48 > > To: [email protected] > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > > > From: Shirley Elston <[email protected]> > > > > > Talking of divorce earlier,I was married in 1974 to someone and we > > > were both married before and had to obtain divorce papers to get > > > married to each other. > > > I knew my OH had been married before so didn't think anything of it > > > at the time. > > > We were together about 40 years altogether,10 of them before we > > > married and 30 years married and then we divorced just a few years > > > ago. I learned my ex had died a couple of years ago and for some > > > unknown reason I was looking on Ancestry at marriages for our > > > marriage details,just curiosity I suppose,like you do! I was amazed > > > to see that my ex had been married twice before he married me and > > > the second marriage had occurred while married still to the first > > > wife! > > > Well of course I had to persue this as I started to wonder about my > > > own marriage,thankfully the second wife had divorced him just a few > > > months before he married me. The second marriage he had was in the > > > 60's so at the in between stage of computers which is probably why > > > he got away with it. He produced the first marriage divorce papers > > > to marry me. He is dead now so I can't even ask him about it . > > > During the first 10 years we were together it suited me not to > > > re-marry after the first disaster and I suppose he didn't persue it > > > because of what he had done! I must confess I was a bit shocked to > > > discover this. > > > > > > Shirley < > > > > Having been in genealogy for around 40 years now, the very first thing I > > always tell beginners > > when they ask my advice on how to get started is this: "If you are the > > sort of person who is > > going to be upset by what you might discover, then don't even think about > > doing it!" > > > > When I began in the 1970s my late mother was horrified and begged my wife > > to try and stop > > me. Why? Because virtually the very first thing I found out was that not > > only had my father > > been married before, moreover that he had had an illegitimate daughter by > > another woman > > (not his wife) who was my half-sister. As it happens, my sister and I > > found each other a few > > years later (she lives in Australia) and we have met a number of times and > > got to know each > > other. We still keep in touch now and then via e-mail. > > > > I could never understand why my mother was so desperate not for me to find > > out, a > > generational thing I suppose. It turned out when I eventually contacted my > > half-sister that all > > the family had known about her, my father's brother and sisters had sent > > her birthday and > > Christmas cards and presents, but no-one had ever told me! My initial > > reaction was anger > > that I had been prevented from knowing I had a sister for the first half > > of my life, but that has > > now gone away and we just enjoy keeping in touch. > > > > Families and family history is a funny business and anyone who can't > > accept what they find > > shouldn't be in it at all! Thanks for giving us your experience, Shirley. > > > > -- > > Roy Stockdill > > Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > > and that is not being talked about." > > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:45:29 +0000 > > From: Rosemary Probert <[email protected]> > > Subject: [NTT] Chapel Street, Radford > > To: nottinghamshire Mailing List <[email protected]> > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > I'm trying to find out where Chapel Street is/was in Radford. I've been > > going cross-eyed looking at maps and I wonder if any one can point me in > > the right direction. > > > > I'd also like to find a photo of it or the area, > > > > Thank you > > > > Rosemary > > Northumberland UK > > > > Email: [email protected] > > Family History: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rprobert/ > > Banburyshire Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engcbanb/ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:13:37 -0000 > > From: "Brian Binns" <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [NTT] Chapel Street, Radford > > To: <[email protected]> > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Rosemary, > > > > To give you some idea of the housing in that area, check out the > > www.picturethepast.org.uk website and search for Moores Yard. This was on > > Pelican Street and was where my Greatgrandmother was on the 1891 census. I > > do not know, but I imagine that the houses, yards and courts on Chapel > > Street were very similar. > > > > Brian Binns > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > > On Behalf Of Rosemary Probert > > Sent: 17 February 2012 16:45 > > To: nottinghamshire Mailing List > > Subject: [NTT] Chapel Street, Radford > > > > I'm trying to find out where Chapel Street is/was in Radford. I've been > > going cross-eyed looking at maps and I wonder if any one can point me in > > the right direction. > > > > I'd also like to find a photo of it or the area, > > > > Thank you > > > > Rosemary > > Northumberland UK > > > > Email: [email protected] > > Family History: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rprobert/ > > Banburyshire Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engcbanb/ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > Notts Surname List > > > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4814 - Release Date: 02/16/12 > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4814 - Release Date: 02/16/12 > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4814 - Release Date: 02/16/12 > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:15:06 +0000 > > From: The Quineys <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [NTT] Skeletons (was: NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 48) > > To: [email protected] > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > > > When I started researching the family tree in my teens, my grandfather > > told my brother to tell me that he (my GF) wouldn't help me in any way > > and that I shouldn't ask! I carried on regardless but without his help ;-) > > > > For his 90th birthday, I presented him with a hand written 'tree (I did > > calligraphy) - him, 2 generations back and 2 generations forward - not > > in great detail - just names. He realised and appreciated what I had > > achieved and there and then bequeathed me his family albums and all his > > diaries, etc. > > > > By that time, I had discovered that his father was illegitimate - what > > he didn't want me to know (thus no dates on the 'tree). But it was a > > year or so after his death, that I discovered that his mother was > > illegitimate as well. I will never know if *he* ever knew about that or > > not. > > > > I found it fascinating but my dad was really shocked when I told him of > > the illegitimacies - 1 generation closer to him was a little too close. > > I now temper my excitement when I come across a piece of juicy intrigue! > > > > Heather > > > > > > > > On 17/02/2012 10:03, [email protected] wrote: > > > From: Shirley Elston<[email protected]> > > > > > >> Talking of divorce earlier,I was married in 1974 to someone and we > > >> were both married before and had to obtain divorce papers to get > > >> married to each other. > > >> I knew my OH had been married before so didn't think anything of it > > >> at the time. > > >> We were together about 40 years altogether,10 of them before we > > >> married and 30 years married and then we divorced just a few years > > >> ago. I learned my ex had died a couple of years ago and for some > > >> unknown reason I was looking on Ancestry at marriages for our > > >> marriage details,just curiosity I suppose,like you do! I was amazed > > >> to see that my ex had been married twice before he married me and > > >> the second marriage had occurred while married still to the first > > >> wife! > > >> Well of course I had to persue this as I started to wonder about my > > >> own marriage,thankfully the second wife had divorced him just a few > > >> months before he married me. The second marriage he had was in the > > >> 60's so at the in between stage of computers which is probably why > > >> he got away with it. He produced the first marriage divorce papers > > >> to marry me. He is dead now so I can't even ask him about it . > > >> During the first 10 years we were together it suited me not to > > >> re-marry after the first disaster and I suppose he didn't persue it > > >> because of what he had done! I must confess I was a bit shocked to > > >> discover this. > > >> > > >> Shirley< > > > Having been in genealogy for around 40 years now, the very first thing I > > > always tell beginners > > > when they ask my advice on how to get started is this: "If you are the > > > sort of person who is > > > going to be upset by what you might discover, then don't even think > > > about doing it!" > > > > > > When I began in the 1970s my late mother was horrified and begged my > > > wife to try and stop > > > me. Why? Because virtually the very first thing I found out was that not > > > only had my father > > > been married before, moreover that he had had an illegitimate daughter > > > by another woman > > > (not his wife) who was my half-sister. As it happens, my sister and I > > > found each other a few > > > years later (she lives in Australia) and we have met a number of times > > > and got to know each > > > other. We still keep in touch now and then via e-mail. > > > > > > I could never understand why my mother was so desperate not for me to > > > find out, a > > > generational thing I suppose. It turned out when I eventually contacted > > > my half-sister that all > > > the family had known about her, my father's brother and sisters had sent > > > her birthday and > > > Christmas cards and presents, but no-one had ever told me! My initial > > > reaction was anger > > > that I had been prevented from knowing I had a sister for the first half > > > of my life, but that has > > > now gone away and we just enjoy keeping in touch. > > > > > > Families and family history is a funny business and anyone who can't > > > accept what they find > > > shouldn't be in it at all! Thanks for giving us your experience, > > > Shirley. > > > > > > -- > > > Roy Stockdill > > > Genealogical researcher, writer& lecturer > > > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy& Family History: > > > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > > > > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > > > and that is not being talked about." > > > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Notts Surname List > > > > > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:29:39 -0800 (PST) > > From: Louis Mills <[email protected]> > > Subject: [NTT] Divorce > > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > Message-ID: > > <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > I've been reading about these divorces mentioned on the list.? I once > > looked up the history of the "divorce" process, a task that made my wife > > somewhat nervous.? But it was interesting because I had seen people > > discussing it on the Lincolnshire mailing list. > > > > You can see my findings at: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~englin/divorce.htm > > > > It includes a discussion of "Wife sales".? I assume that these are no > > longer allowed in Nottinghamshire, as well. > > > > ??? Lou > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 6 > > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:55:35 +0100 > > From: Jean Wood <[email protected]> > > Subject: [NTT] Skeletons (was: NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 48) > > To: <[email protected]>, Nottsgen <[email protected]> > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > > Aeons ago, I was 17, doing A levels in both Art and History. I wanted to > > make a circular, calligraphic, family tree going back say 4 generations. > > My paternal grandmother was positively obstructive. We all knew that her > > father was Italian, and she was not too keen to tell me much about him and > > his family, but when it came to her father-in-law, (and I never knew my > > grandfather who died 5 years before I was born) she became positively > > vitriolic. We all knew that he had started an artificial limb business > > before 1890 (and it still exists, but is not in Notts) but she would tell > > me NOTHING. > > > > Her mantra was "they're dead and gone and best forgotten" (nor did she > > approve of my idea to learn italian though she could speak it perfectly > > well) > > > > Over 20 years later, with a young family and having been struggling to > > continue family research, using public transport to go to distant Record > > Offices and libraries, and in contact with a distant cousin, descendant of > > the family who still run the limb business, I received a phone call out of > > the blue. It was an official genealogist who wanted to ask me questions > > about my research, and specifically about my grandmother. I told him what > > I knew.He was preparing a book on the centenary of the business.. I > > remarked that I had discovered that my great grandfather, the one Grandma > > detested, had left a Will, proved in August 1926, but then revoked and a > > new grant of probate made in February 1927. > > > > My inquirer, said, "Oh, yes. The other family challenged the Will." > > > > (My father was an incorrigible romancer and teller of tall tales, so it > > was ALWAYS difficult to separate fact from fiction. He had remarked now > > and again that several young men, the spit of his father, followed the > > coffin. He was 8 years old in 1926) > > It turned out that indeed, G grandfather had set up house with a > > soubrette - former companion to Stan Laurel - by whom she had a son in > > November 1911. The lady friend's house was within about 3 miles of the > > family home. My grandparents married in July 1913 and had lived next door > > to each other for most of their childhood. > > > > Can you imagine? - the scandal of your father-in-law playing away, with > > living proof, less than two years before the posh wedding you had been > > building up to for years! It probably also explains the stony expression > > on the young bride's face in the wedding photo! Father in law looks like > > the cat with the cream and his wife ( these 2 my g grandparents) just > > looks weary. > > > > Shortly after this phone call (1989 or thereabouts,) I had one long phone > > call and one long letter from the son of the 1911 baby. Sadly i have heard > > nothing since. He was very bitter about the whole business - and this 70+ > > years on. He was only a couple of years older than me, but was effectively > > my father's cousin. > > > > Jean Wood > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:15:06 +0000 > > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [NTT] Skeletons (was: NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 48) > > > > > > > > > When I started researching the family tree in my teens, my grandfather > > > told my brother to tell me that he (my GF) wouldn't help me in any way > > > and that I shouldn't ask! I carried on regardless but without his help > > > ;-) > > > > > > For his 90th birthday, I presented him with a hand written 'tree (I did > > > calligraphy) - him, 2 generations back and 2 generations forward - not > > > in great detail - just names. He realised and appreciated what I had > > > achieved and there and then bequeathed me his family albums and all his > > > diaries, etc. > > > > > > By that time, I had discovered that his father was illegitimate - what > > > he didn't want me to know (thus no dates on the 'tree). But it was a > > > year or so after his death, that I discovered that his mother was > > > illegitimate as well. I will never know if *he* ever knew about that or > > > not. > > > > > > I found it fascinating but my dad was really shocked when I told him of > > > the illegitimacies - 1 generation closer to him was a little too close. > > > I now temper my excitement when I come across a piece of juicy intrigue! > > > > > > Heather > > > > > > > > > > > > On 17/02/2012 10:03, [email protected] wrote: > > > > From: Shirley Elston<[email protected]> > > > > > > > >> Talking of divorce earlier,I was married in 1974 to someone and we > > > >> were both married before and had to obtain divorce papers to get > > > >> married to each other. > > > >> I knew my OH had been married before so didn't think anything of it > > > >> at the time. > > > >> We were together about 40 years altogether,10 of them before we > > > >> married and 30 years married and then we divorced just a few years > > > >> ago. I learned my ex had died a couple of years ago and for some > > > >> unknown reason I was looking on Ancestry at marriages for our > > > >> marriage details,just curiosity I suppose,like you do! I was amazed > > > >> to see that my ex had been married twice before he married me and > > > >> the second marriage had occurred while married still to the first > > > >> wife! > > > >> Well of course I had to persue this as I started to wonder about my > > > >> own marriage,thankfully the second wife had divorced him just a few > > > >> months before he married me. The second marriage he had was in the > > > >> 60's so at the in between stage of computers which is probably why > > > >> he got away with it. He produced the first marriage divorce papers > > > >> to marry me. He is dead now so I can't even ask him about it . > > > >> During the first 10 years we were together it suited me not to > > > >> re-marry after the first disaster and I suppose he didn't persue it > > > >> because of what he had done! I must confess I was a bit shocked to > > > >> discover this. > > > >> > > > >> Shirley< > > > > Having been in genealogy for around 40 years now, the very first thing > > > > I always tell beginners > > > > when they ask my advice on how to get started is this: "If you are the > > > > sort of person who is > > > > going to be upset by what you might discover, then don't even think > > > > about doing it!" > > > > > > > > When I began in the 1970s my late mother was horrified and begged my > > > > wife to try and stop > > > > me. Why? Because virtually the very first thing I found out was that > > > > not only had my father > > > > been married before, moreover that he had had an illegitimate daughter > > > > by another woman > > > > (not his wife) who was my half-sister. As it happens, my sister and I > > > > found each other a few > > > > years later (she lives in Australia) and we have met a number of times > > > > and got to know each > > > > other. We still keep in touch now and then via e-mail. > > > > > > > > I could never understand why my mother was so desperate not for me to > > > > find out, a > > > > generational thing I suppose. It turned out when I eventually > > > > contacted my half-sister that all > > > > the family had known about her, my father's brother and sisters had > > > > sent her birthday and > > > > Christmas cards and presents, but no-one had ever told me! My initial > > > > reaction was anger > > > > that I had been prevented from knowing I had a sister for the first > > > > half of my life, but that has > > > > now gone away and we just enjoy keeping in touch. > > > > > > > > Families and family history is a funny business and anyone who can't > > > > accept what they find > > > > shouldn't be in it at all! Thanks for giving us your experience, > > > > Shirley. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Roy Stockdill > > > > Genealogical researcher, writer& lecturer > > > > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy& Family History: > > > > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > > > > > > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > > > > and that is not being talked about." > > > > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Notts Surname List > > > > > > > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > Notts Surname List > > > > > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > End of NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 50 > > *************************************** > > > > > > Notts Surname List > > > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

I have a similar story. I was born in Nottingham, but now live in the USA. During a visit to the UK a very kind NOTTSGEN subscriber offered to meet me at the Nottingham Archives to help me to do some research. Incidentally we were both researching the "HUMBER" surname, I was looking for the marriage between Mary Humber & Samuel Wakefield, Brenda was researching the marriage between Ann Humber & John Housley. To cut a long story short we found that we were in actual fact second or third cousins. But despite intense research Brenda could not find the Ann Humber & John Housley marriage. Then one day my cousin Stuart, still living in Nottingham, upon my request e-mailed me his family details. As a note he mentioned our mutual twin cousins the Housleys but spelled it HOWSLEY. A light went on in my head and yes I found the marriage between John HOWSLEY & Ann UMBER. Nottingham dialect! Incidently, I also discovered that my Housley cousins, my dad's sister's twins, are also related to me thru the John Housley & Ann Humber tree. And yes I really enjoy my new found cousin and of course the NOTTSGEN web site, my link to home. Carole Bell (Wakefield Sneinton, Nottingham) Colorado USA

Hi Jean & fellow listers My recollection of the programs was :- 1) Tracey Emin had a travellers background and 2) Larry Lamb had travelling/circus connections Best wishes Frances -----Original Message----- From: Jean Wood Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 9:04 AM To: [email protected] ; Nottsgen Subject: Re: [NTT] NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 50 There was a very interesting programme on Who do you think you are? a few months back where someone was descended from a Traveller community and Yes, as far as I remember, fairgrounds were concerned. Once they tracked down one of the current family, a huge amount of information surfaced - and lots of siblings. You could try the BBC to ask Which Programme, and what names were concerned - I do not remember but there were some different, unusual, sources mentioned. I did not note them down though. I used to teach proper gipsy children (of Romany origin) on a Hants/Berks border site, and they were always very particular about observing marriages etc, so that when one child was discovered (about 1970) unknown to the authorities, he had been hidden by the family as he was illegitimate and unregistered. (He was perfectly well looked after) But when he came to school, although of junior age (over 7) he was sent to the infant school as he did not know many basic things - like what a pencil was. He caught up quickly, but the shame to the family was great. Jean Wood > Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:32:23 +0000 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NTT] NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 50 > > I started my family tree about 15 years ago,I started with my father's > side of the family and discovered my grandfather was illigitimate,fell out > with my cousin over that one! I found some unexpected surprises that I was > quite happy with, I then proceeded to do my mother's side of the family > and it's been a nightmare so far! My mother always told me she was > illigitimate,her mother either didn't know the father or just refused to > say. My mother has used 4 different maiden names on her certificates for > marriage and births,lucky I chose to do the family history to explain it > all! My Gran got married the following year after mum was born,step > grandfather Harry Williams said he was 26 in 1907 when they married in > Ashby Z and he was a coal miner so then I tried to find him in > 1881,1891,1901 without any luck and finally found him on 1911 census, I > also tried to find his father William Williams (deceased in 1907) with no > luck either. The place of birth for > step grandfather was Castle Ashby,Norths which I took to be > Northampton,the only trouble is his job was now Traveller! on the > roundabouts so obviously fairground (now living in Pudsey in 1911) > Maybe this is why I can't track him down,too much moving about! I have no > idea when he died or where and Gran remarried in 1939 in Nottingham saying > she was a widow. I tried looking at the electoral rolls in Nottingham > between 1926 and 1952 but he wasn't with Gran. I have looked on the war > graves site but he has a common surname of Williams. There were half a > dozen more children after mum,half of them were Harry's but the other half > belong to a Peter Williams. > No idea who he was. > I have tried talking to a few cousins but they know less than I do! > The only new clue I have is the name Dashwood which is what mum used on my > youngest brother's birth certificate and a family tree recently popped up > on Ancestry with a similar name in it which I think is an older brother of > my mother living in Nottingham,I did try to contact the person a couple of > times but no reply was the answer! > I may have to wait for another census to come out before I can move any > further. I can't tell you how much I have struggled with this crowd! > Any suggestions where I look next? > > Shirley > > > > ________________________________ > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, 17 February 2012, 22:55 > Subject: NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 50 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 48 > ([email protected]) > 2. Chapel Street, Radford (Rosemary Probert) > 3. Re: Chapel Street, Radford (Brian Binns) > 4. Re: Skeletons (was: NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 48) > (The Quineys) > 5. Divorce (Louis Mills) > 6. Skeletons (was: NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 48) (Jean Wood) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:03:49 -0000 > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NTT] NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 48 > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > From: Shirley Elston <elston712[email protected]> > > > Talking of divorce earlier,I was married in 1974 to someone and we > > were both married before and had to obtain divorce papers to get > > married to each other. > > I knew my OH had been married before so didn't think anything of it > > at the time. > > We were together about 40 years altogether,10 of them before we > > married and 30 years married and then we divorced just a few years > > ago. I learned my ex had died a couple of years ago and for some > > unknown reason I was looking on Ancestry at marriages for our > > marriage details,just curiosity I suppose,like you do! I was amazed > > to see that my ex had been married twice before he married me and > > the second marriage had occurred while married still to the first > > wife! > > Well of course I had to persue this as I started to wonder about my > > own marriage,thankfully the second wife had divorced him just a few > > months before he married me. The second marriage he had was in the > > 60's so at the in between stage of computers which is probably why > > he got away with it. He produced the first marriage divorce papers > > to marry me. He is dead now so I can't even ask him about it . > > During the first 10 years we were together it suited me not to > > re-marry after the first disaster and I suppose he didn't persue it > > because of what he had done! I must confess I was a bit shocked to > > discover this. > > > > Shirley < > > Having been in genealogy for around 40 years now, the very first thing I > always tell beginners > when they ask my advice on how to get started is this: "If you are the > sort of person who is > going to be upset by what you might discover, then don't even think about > doing it!" > > When I began in the 1970s my late mother was horrified and begged my wife > to try and stop > me. Why? Because virtually the very first thing I found out was that not > only had my father > been married before, moreover that he had had an illegitimate daughter by > another woman > (not his wife) who was my half-sister. As it happens, my sister and I > found each other a few > years later (she lives in Australia) and we have met a number of times and > got to know each > other. We still keep in touch now and then via e-mail. > > I could never understand why my mother was so desperate not for me to find > out, a > generational thing I suppose. It turned out when I eventually contacted my > half-sister that all > the family had known about her, my father's brother and sisters had sent > her birthday and > Christmas cards and presents, but no-one had ever told me! My initial > reaction was anger > that I had been prevented from knowing I had a sister for the first half > of my life, but that has > now gone away and we just enjoy keeping in touch. > > Families and family history is a funny business and anyone who can't > accept what they find > shouldn't be in it at all! Thanks for giving us your experience, Shirley. > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:45:29 +0000 > From: Rosemary Probert <[email protected]> > Subject: [NTT] Chapel Street, Radford > To: nottinghamshire Mailing List <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I'm trying to find out where Chapel Street is/was in Radford. I've been > going cross-eyed looking at maps and I wonder if any one can point me in > the right direction. > > I'd also like to find a photo of it or the area, > > Thank you > > Rosemary > Northumberland UK > > Email: [email protected] > Family History: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rprobert/ > Banburyshire Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engcbanb/ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:13:37 -0000 > From: "Brian Binns" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [NTT] Chapel Street, Radford > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Rosemary, > > To give you some idea of the housing in that area, check out the > www.picturethepast.org.uk website and search for Moores Yard. This was on > Pelican Street and was where my Greatgrandmother was on the 1891 census. I > do not know, but I imagine that the houses, yards and courts on Chapel > Street were very similar. > > Brian Binns > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Rosemary Probert > Sent: 17 February 2012 16:45 > To: nottinghamshire Mailing List > Subject: [NTT] Chapel Street, Radford > > I'm trying to find out where Chapel Street is/was in Radford. I've been > going cross-eyed looking at maps and I wonder if any one can point me in > the right direction. > > I'd also like to find a photo of it or the area, > > Thank you > > Rosemary > Northumberland UK > > Email: [email protected] > Family History: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rprobert/ > Banburyshire Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engcbanb/ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4814 - Release Date: 02/16/12 > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4814 - Release Date: 02/16/12 > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4814 - Release Date: 02/16/12 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:15:06 +0000 > From: The Quineys <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [NTT] Skeletons (was: NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 48) > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > When I started researching the family tree in my teens, my grandfather > told my brother to tell me that he (my GF) wouldn't help me in any way > and that I shouldn't ask! I carried on regardless but without his help ;-) > > For his 90th birthday, I presented him with a hand written 'tree (I did > calligraphy) - him, 2 generations back and 2 generations forward - not > in great detail - just names. He realised and appreciated what I had > achieved and there and then bequeathed me his family albums and all his > diaries, etc. > > By that time, I had discovered that his father was illegitimate - what > he didn't want me to know (thus no dates on the 'tree). But it was a > year or so after his death, that I discovered that his mother was > illegitimate as well. I will never know if *he* ever knew about that or > not. > > I found it fascinating but my dad was really shocked when I told him of > the illegitimacies - 1 generation closer to him was a little too close. > I now temper my excitement when I come across a piece of juicy intrigue! > > Heather > > > > On 17/02/2012 10:03, [email protected] wrote: > > From: Shirley Elston<[email protected]> > > > >> Talking of divorce earlier,I was married in 1974 to someone and we > >> were both married before and had to obtain divorce papers to get > >> married to each other. > >> I knew my OH had been married before so didn't think anything of it > >> at the time. > >> We were together about 40 years altogether,10 of them before we > >> married and 30 years married and then we divorced just a few years > >> ago. I learned my ex had died a couple of years ago and for some > >> unknown reason I was looking on Ancestry at marriages for our > >> marriage details,just curiosity I suppose,like you do! I was amazed > >> to see that my ex had been married twice before he married me and > >> the second marriage had occurred while married still to the first > >> wife! > >> Well of course I had to persue this as I started to wonder about my > >> own marriage,thankfully the second wife had divorced him just a few > >> months before he married me. The second marriage he had was in the > >> 60's so at the in between stage of computers which is probably why > >> he got away with it. He produced the first marriage divorce papers > >> to marry me. He is dead now so I can't even ask him about it . > >> During the first 10 years we were together it suited me not to > >> re-marry after the first disaster and I suppose he didn't persue it > >> because of what he had done! I must confess I was a bit shocked to > >> discover this. > >> > >> Shirley< > > Having been in genealogy for around 40 years now, the very first thing I > > always tell beginners > > when they ask my advice on how to get started is this: "If you are the > > sort of person who is > > going to be upset by what you might discover, then don't even think > > about doing it!" > > > > When I began in the 1970s my late mother was horrified and begged my > > wife to try and stop > > me. Why? Because virtually the very first thing I found out was that not > > only had my father > > been married before, moreover that he had had an illegitimate daughter > > by another woman > > (not his wife) who was my half-sister. As it happens, my sister and I > > found each other a few > > years later (she lives in Australia) and we have met a number of times > > and got to know each > > other. We still keep in touch now and then via e-mail. > > > > I could never understand why my mother was so desperate not for me to > > find out, a > > generational thing I suppose. It turned out when I eventually contacted > > my half-sister that all > > the family had known about her, my father's brother and sisters had sent > > her birthday and > > Christmas cards and presents, but no-one had ever told me! My initial > > reaction was anger > > that I had been prevented from knowing I had a sister for the first half > > of my life, but that has > > now gone away and we just enjoy keeping in touch. > > > > Families and family history is a funny business and anyone who can't > > accept what they find > > shouldn't be in it at all! Thanks for giving us your experience, > > Shirley. > > > > -- > > Roy Stockdill > > Genealogical researcher, writer& lecturer > > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy& Family History: > > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > > and that is not being talked about." > > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Notts Surname List > > > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:29:39 -0800 (PST) > From: Louis Mills <[email protected]> > Subject: [NTT] Divorce > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > I've been reading about these divorces mentioned on the list.? I once > looked up the history of the "divorce" process, a task that made my wife > somewhat nervous.? But it was interesting because I had seen people > discussing it on the Lincolnshire mailing list. > > You can see my findings at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~englin/divorce.htm > > It includes a discussion of "Wife sales".? I assume that these are no > longer allowed in Nottinghamshire, as well. > > ??? Lou > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:55:35 +0100 > From: Jean Wood <[email protected]> > Subject: [NTT] Skeletons (was: NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 48) > To: <[email protected]>, Nottsgen <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Aeons ago, I was 17, doing A levels in both Art and History. I wanted to > make a circular, calligraphic, family tree going back say 4 generations. > My paternal grandmother was positively obstructive. We all knew that her > father was Italian, and she was not too keen to tell me much about him and > his family, but when it came to her father-in-law, (and I never knew my > grandfather who died 5 years before I was born) she became positively > vitriolic. We all knew that he had started an artificial limb business > before 1890 (and it still exists, but is not in Notts) but she would tell > me NOTHING. > > Her mantra was "they're dead and gone and best forgotten" (nor did she > approve of my idea to learn italian though she could speak it perfectly > well) > > Over 20 years later, with a young family and having been struggling to > continue family research, using public transport to go to distant Record > Offices and libraries, and in contact with a distant cousin, descendant of > the family who still run the limb business, I received a phone call out of > the blue. It was an official genealogist who wanted to ask me questions > about my research, and specifically about my grandmother. I told him what > I knew.He was preparing a book on the centenary of the business.. I > remarked that I had discovered that my great grandfather, the one Grandma > detested, had left a Will, proved in August 1926, but then revoked and a > new grant of probate made in February 1927. > > My inquirer, said, "Oh, yes. The other family challenged the Will." > > (My father was an incorrigible romancer and teller of tall tales, so it > was ALWAYS difficult to separate fact from fiction. He had remarked now > and again that several young men, the spit of his father, followed the > coffin. He was 8 years old in 1926) > It turned out that indeed, G grandfather had set up house with a > soubrette - former companion to Stan Laurel - by whom she had a son in > November 1911. The lady friend's house was within about 3 miles of the > family home. My grandparents married in July 1913 and had lived next door > to each other for most of their childhood. > > Can you imagine? - the scandal of your father-in-law playing away, with > living proof, less than two years before the posh wedding you had been > building up to for years! It probably also explains the stony expression > on the young bride's face in the wedding photo! Father in law looks like > the cat with the cream and his wife ( these 2 my g grandparents) just > looks weary. > > Shortly after this phone call (1989 or thereabouts,) I had one long phone > call and one long letter from the son of the 1911 baby. Sadly i have heard > nothing since. He was very bitter about the whole business - and this 70+ > years on. He was only a couple of years older than me, but was effectively > my father's cousin. > > Jean Wood > > > > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:15:06 +0000 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [NTT] Skeletons (was: NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 48) > > > > > > When I started researching the family tree in my teens, my grandfather > > told my brother to tell me that he (my GF) wouldn't help me in any way > > and that I shouldn't ask! I carried on regardless but without his help > > ;-) > > > > For his 90th birthday, I presented him with a hand written 'tree (I did > > calligraphy) - him, 2 generations back and 2 generations forward - not > > in great detail - just names. He realised and appreciated what I had > > achieved and there and then bequeathed me his family albums and all his > > diaries, etc. > > > > By that time, I had discovered that his father was illegitimate - what > > he didn't want me to know (thus no dates on the 'tree). But it was a > > year or so after his death, that I discovered that his mother was > > illegitimate as well. I will never know if *he* ever knew about that or > > not. > > > > I found it fascinating but my dad was really shocked when I told him of > > the illegitimacies - 1 generation closer to him was a little too close. > > I now temper my excitement when I come across a piece of juicy intrigue! > > > > Heather > > > > > > > > On 17/02/2012 10:03, [email protected] wrote: > > > From: Shirley Elston<[email protected]> > > > > > >> Talking of divorce earlier,I was married in 1974 to someone and we > > >> were both married before and had to obtain divorce papers to get > > >> married to each other. > > >> I knew my OH had been married before so didn't think anything of it > > >> at the time. > > >> We were together about 40 years altogether,10 of them before we > > >> married and 30 years married and then we divorced just a few years > > >> ago. I learned my ex had died a couple of years ago and for some > > >> unknown reason I was looking on Ancestry at marriages for our > > >> marriage details,just curiosity I suppose,like you do! I was amazed > > >> to see that my ex had been married twice before he married me and > > >> the second marriage had occurred while married still to the first > > >> wife! > > >> Well of course I had to persue this as I started to wonder about my > > >> own marriage,thankfully the second wife had divorced him just a few > > >> months before he married me. The second marriage he had was in the > > >> 60's so at the in between stage of computers which is probably why > > >> he got away with it. He produced the first marriage divorce papers > > >> to marry me. He is dead now so I can't even ask him about it . > > >> During the first 10 years we were together it suited me not to > > >> re-marry after the first disaster and I suppose he didn't persue it > > >> because of what he had done! I must confess I was a bit shocked to > > >> discover this. > > >> > > >> Shirley< > > > Having been in genealogy for around 40 years now, the very first thing > > > I always tell beginners > > > when they ask my advice on how to get started is this: "If you are the > > > sort of person who is > > > going to be upset by what you might discover, then don't even think > > > about doing it!" > > > > > > When I began in the 1970s my late mother was horrified and begged my > > > wife to try and stop > > > me. Why? Because virtually the very first thing I found out was that > > > not only had my father > > > been married before, moreover that he had had an illegitimate daughter > > > by another woman > > > (not his wife) who was my half-sister. As it happens, my sister and I > > > found each other a few > > > years later (she lives in Australia) and we have met a number of times > > > and got to know each > > > other. We still keep in touch now and then via e-mail. > > > > > > I could never understand why my mother was so desperate not for me to > > > find out, a > > > generational thing I suppose. It turned out when I eventually > > > contacted my half-sister that all > > > the family had known about her, my father's brother and sisters had > > > sent her birthday and > > > Christmas cards and presents, but no-one had ever told me! My initial > > > reaction was anger > > > that I had been prevented from knowing I had a sister for the first > > > half of my life, but that has > > > now gone away and we just enjoy keeping in touch. > > > > > > Families and family history is a funny business and anyone who can't > > > accept what they find > > > shouldn't be in it at all! Thanks for giving us your experience, > > > Shirley. > > > > > > -- > > > Roy Stockdill > > > Genealogical researcher, writer& lecturer > > > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy& Family History: > > > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > > > > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > > > and that is not being talked about." > > > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Notts Surname List > > > > > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > Notts Surname List > > > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 50 > *************************************** > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The skeleton that never was I have had information on my g.g.grandfather James WELLS for many years, he was born 1826 in Suffolk, married my g.g.grandmother in 1857, they had thirteen children but sadly my g.g.grandmother died eight hours after giving birth to their last and thirteenth child at 8:20pm 16th December 1874 In the next (1881) census he was on his own a widower, by 1891 he has a 2nd "wife" likewise 1901 & 1911, helpfully he fills in the 1911 schedule with "2nd wife" against her name and in the column how many children to this marriage he has written "none, all by first marriage" I had no clues as to her birth name I had searched for over ten years for his marriage to no avail, I had all but given up, believing he just lived in sin with her A cousin simply could not believe that and continued to cling to the thought that he did marry I try and go over the old stumbling blocks now and then and having looked at his notes for something else decided to have one last try, so I emailed the local registrars office in a last hope that he may have married but the details were not sent to the GRO (I feel sure I had done this years ago but could not find record of it) I sent that mail and decided to check Ancestry one more time while awaiting a reply, I checked the normal way using wild cards etc, nothing , I looked through my notes again to find there was a silver wedding present given by his son engraved as follows To Father on his Silver Wedding Nov 15th 1906 >From Walter & Lottie I had already checked the PRs for Parishes around his long time residence So I tried the marriages on Ancestry for a James who married an Ann in 1881, there were many so I looked through them all to see if there was a possible transcription error, to cut the story short I found a James WILLS with a marriage date of 16th Nov 1881, close I thought and worth a look And yes it was he, married miles away from where I would have expected him to, the maiden name of the Ann was revealed and checking back in the census I saw why I had not connected her before as she was on her own in every census including the 1841 where she was a servant aged 10, her father was next door to my g.g.grandfather in 1841 The moral of this waffling tale is simple, don't ever give up My elated cousin was most pleased to be proved right It was a pleasant gift to give her :-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Hi Listers, Thankyou for replying to all my messages on Nottsgen Wendy

Thanks for posting this - a very useful reference. Andy At 22:29 17/02/2012, Louis Mills wrote: >I've been reading about these divorces mentioned on the list. I once looked up the history of the "divorce" process, a task that made my wife somewhat nervous. But it was interesting because I had seen people discussing it on the Lincolnshire mailing list. > >You can see my findings at: >http://www.rootsweb.com/~englin/divorce.htm

Hi Listers, I Wonder if any of you would be able to help me please, Does any one know who Mary Hartley Parents were,she married a George Brammer in December 1838 East Retford and who were her siblings Thanks Wendy

On 2012/02/18 00:29, Louis Mills wrote: > It includes a discussion of "Wife sales". I assume that these are no longer > allowed in Nottinghamshire, as well. Why not? Have you had decent offer? ;-) -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg

There was a very interesting programme on Who do you think you are? a few months back where someone was descended from a Traveller community and Yes, as far as I remember, fairgrounds were concerned. Once they tracked down one of the current family, a huge amount of information surfaced - and lots of siblings. You could try the BBC to ask Which Programme, and what names were concerned - I do not remember but there were some different, unusual, sources mentioned. I did not note them down though. I used to teach proper gipsy children (of Romany origin) on a Hants/Berks border site, and they were always very particular about observing marriages etc, so that when one child was discovered (about 1970) unknown to the authorities, he had been hidden by the family as he was illegitimate and unregistered. (He was perfectly well looked after) But when he came to school, although of junior age (over 7) he was sent to the infant school as he did not know many basic things - like what a pencil was. He caught up quickly, but the shame to the family was great. Jean Wood > Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:32:23 +0000 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NTT] NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 50 > > I started my family tree about 15 years ago,I started with my father's side of the family and discovered my grandfather was illigitimate,fell out with my cousin over that one! I found some unexpected surprises that I was quite happy with, I then proceeded to do my mother's side of the family and it's been a nightmare so far! My mother always told me she was illigitimate,her mother either didn't know the father or just refused to say. My mother has used 4 different maiden names on her certificates for marriage and births,lucky I chose to do the family history to explain it all! My Gran got married the following year after mum was born,step grandfather Harry Williams said he was 26 in 1907 when they married in Ashby Z and he was a coal miner so then I tried to find him in 1881,1891,1901 without any luck and finally found him on 1911 census, I also tried to find his father William Williams (deceased in 1907) with no luck either. The place of birth for > step grandfather was Castle Ashby,Norths which I took to be Northampton,the only trouble is his job was now Traveller! on the roundabouts so obviously fairground (now living in Pudsey in 1911) > Maybe this is why I can't track him down,too much moving about! I have no idea when he died or where and Gran remarried in 1939 in Nottingham saying she was a widow. I tried looking at the electoral rolls in Nottingham between 1926 and 1952 but he wasn't with Gran. I have looked on the war graves site but he has a common surname of Williams. There were half a dozen more children after mum,half of them were Harry's but the other half belong to a Peter Williams. > No idea who he was. > I have tried talking to a few cousins but they know less than I do! > The only new clue I have is the name Dashwood which is what mum used on my youngest brother's birth certificate and a family tree recently popped up on Ancestry with a similar name in it which I think is an older brother of my mother living in Nottingham,I did try to contact the person a couple of times but no reply was the answer! > I may have to wait for another census to come out before I can move any further. I can't tell you how much I have struggled with this crowd! > Any suggestions where I look next? > > Shirley > > > > ________________________________ > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, 17 February 2012, 22:55 > Subject: NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 50 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 48 > ([email protected]) > 2. Chapel Street, Radford (Rosemary Probert) > 3. Re: Chapel Street, Radford (Brian Binns) > 4. Re: Skeletons (was: NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 48) > (The Quineys) > 5. Divorce (Louis Mills) > 6. Skeletons (was: NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 48) (Jean Wood) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:03:49 -0000 > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NTT] NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 48 > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > From: Shirley Elston <[email protected]> > > > Talking of divorce earlier,I was married in 1974 to someone and we > > were both married before and had to obtain divorce papers to get > > married to each other. > > I knew my OH had been married before so didn't think anything of it > > at the time. > > We were together about 40 years altogether,10 of them before we > > married and 30 years married and then we divorced just a few years > > ago. I learned my ex had died a couple of years ago and for some > > unknown reason I was looking on Ancestry at marriages for our > > marriage details,just curiosity I suppose,like you do! I was amazed > > to see that my ex had been married twice before he married me and > > the second marriage had occurred while married still to the first > > wife! > > Well of course I had to persue this as I started to wonder about my > > own marriage,thankfully the second wife had divorced him just a few > > months before he married me. The second marriage he had was in the > > 60's so at the in between stage of computers which is probably why > > he got away with it. He produced the first marriage divorce papers > > to marry me. He is dead now so I can't even ask him about it . > > During the first 10 years we were together it suited me not to > > re-marry after the first disaster and I suppose he didn't persue it > > because of what he had done! I must confess I was a bit shocked to > > discover this. > > > > Shirley < > > Having been in genealogy for around 40 years now, the very first thing I always tell beginners > when they ask my advice on how to get started is this: "If you are the sort of person who is > going to be upset by what you might discover, then don't even think about doing it!" > > When I began in the 1970s my late mother was horrified and begged my wife to try and stop > me. Why? Because virtually the very first thing I found out was that not only had my father > been married before, moreover that he had had an illegitimate daughter by another woman > (not his wife) who was my half-sister. As it happens, my sister and I found each other a few > years later (she lives in Australia) and we have met a number of times and got to know each > other. We still keep in touch now and then via e-mail. > > I could never understand why my mother was so desperate not for me to find out, a > generational thing I suppose. It turned out when I eventually contacted my half-sister that all > the family had known about her, my father's brother and sisters had sent her birthday and > Christmas cards and presents, but no-one had ever told me! My initial reaction was anger > that I had been prevented from knowing I had a sister for the first half of my life, but that has > now gone away and we just enjoy keeping in touch. > > Families and family history is a funny business and anyone who can't accept what they find > shouldn't be in it at all! Thanks for giving us your experience, Shirley. > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:45:29 +0000 > From: Rosemary Probert <[email protected]> > Subject: [NTT] Chapel Street, Radford > To: nottinghamshire Mailing List <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I'm trying to find out where Chapel Street is/was in Radford. I've been > going cross-eyed looking at maps and I wonder if any one can point me in > the right direction. > > I'd also like to find a photo of it or the area, > > Thank you > > Rosemary > Northumberland UK > > Email: [email protected] > Family History: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rprobert/ > Banburyshire Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engcbanb/ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:13:37 -0000 > From: "Brian Binns" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [NTT] Chapel Street, Radford > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Rosemary, > > To give you some idea of the housing in that area, check out the > www.picturethepast.org.uk website and search for Moores Yard. This was on > Pelican Street and was where my Greatgrandmother was on the 1891 census. I > do not know, but I imagine that the houses, yards and courts on Chapel > Street were very similar. > > Brian Binns > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Rosemary Probert > Sent: 17 February 2012 16:45 > To: nottinghamshire Mailing List > Subject: [NTT] Chapel Street, Radford > > I'm trying to find out where Chapel Street is/was in Radford. I've been > going cross-eyed looking at maps and I wonder if any one can point me in > the right direction. > > I'd also like to find a photo of it or the area, > > Thank you > > Rosemary > Northumberland UK > > Email: [email protected] > Family History: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rprobert/ > Banburyshire Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engcbanb/ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4814 - Release Date: 02/16/12 > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4814 - Release Date: 02/16/12 > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4814 - Release Date: 02/16/12 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:15:06 +0000 > From: The Quineys <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [NTT] Skeletons (was: NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 48) > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > When I started researching the family tree in my teens, my grandfather > told my brother to tell me that he (my GF) wouldn't help me in any way > and that I shouldn't ask! I carried on regardless but without his help ;-) > > For his 90th birthday, I presented him with a hand written 'tree (I did > calligraphy) - him, 2 generations back and 2 generations forward - not > in great detail - just names. He realised and appreciated what I had > achieved and there and then bequeathed me his family albums and all his > diaries, etc. > > By that time, I had discovered that his father was illegitimate - what > he didn't want me to know (thus no dates on the 'tree). But it was a > year or so after his death, that I discovered that his mother was > illegitimate as well. I will never know if *he* ever knew about that or > not. > > I found it fascinating but my dad was really shocked when I told him of > the illegitimacies - 1 generation closer to him was a little too close. > I now temper my excitement when I come across a piece of juicy intrigue! > > Heather > > > > On 17/02/2012 10:03, [email protected] wrote: > > From: Shirley Elston<[email protected]> > > > >> Talking of divorce earlier,I was married in 1974 to someone and we > >> were both married before and had to obtain divorce papers to get > >> married to each other. > >> I knew my OH had been married before so didn't think anything of it > >> at the time. > >> We were together about 40 years altogether,10 of them before we > >> married and 30 years married and then we divorced just a few years > >> ago. I learned my ex had died a couple of years ago and for some > >> unknown reason I was looking on Ancestry at marriages for our > >> marriage details,just curiosity I suppose,like you do! I was amazed > >> to see that my ex had been married twice before he married me and > >> the second marriage had occurred while married still to the first > >> wife! > >> Well of course I had to persue this as I started to wonder about my > >> own marriage,thankfully the second wife had divorced him just a few > >> months before he married me. The second marriage he had was in the > >> 60's so at the in between stage of computers which is probably why > >> he got away with it. He produced the first marriage divorce papers > >> to marry me. He is dead now so I can't even ask him about it . > >> During the first 10 years we were together it suited me not to > >> re-marry after the first disaster and I suppose he didn't persue it > >> because of what he had done! I must confess I was a bit shocked to > >> discover this. > >> > >> Shirley< > > Having been in genealogy for around 40 years now, the very first thing I always tell beginners > > when they ask my advice on how to get started is this: "If you are the sort of person who is > > going to be upset by what you might discover, then don't even think about doing it!" > > > > When I began in the 1970s my late mother was horrified and begged my wife to try and stop > > me. Why? Because virtually the very first thing I found out was that not only had my father > > been married before, moreover that he had had an illegitimate daughter by another woman > > (not his wife) who was my half-sister. As it happens, my sister and I found each other a few > > years later (she lives in Australia) and we have met a number of times and got to know each > > other. We still keep in touch now and then via e-mail. > > > > I could never understand why my mother was so desperate not for me to find out, a > > generational thing I suppose. It turned out when I eventually contacted my half-sister that all > > the family had known about her, my father's brother and sisters had sent her birthday and > > Christmas cards and presents, but no-one had ever told me! My initial reaction was anger > > that I had been prevented from knowing I had a sister for the first half of my life, but that has > > now gone away and we just enjoy keeping in touch. > > > > Families and family history is a funny business and anyone who can't accept what they find > > shouldn't be in it at all! Thanks for giving us your experience, Shirley. > > > > -- > > Roy Stockdill > > Genealogical researcher, writer& lecturer > > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy& Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > > and that is not being talked about." > > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Notts Surname List > > > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:29:39 -0800 (PST) > From: Louis Mills <[email protected]> > Subject: [NTT] Divorce > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > I've been reading about these divorces mentioned on the list.? I once looked up the history of the "divorce" process, a task that made my wife somewhat nervous.? But it was interesting because I had seen people discussing it on the Lincolnshire mailing list. > > You can see my findings at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~englin/divorce.htm > > It includes a discussion of "Wife sales".? I assume that these are no longer allowed in Nottinghamshire, as well. > > ??? Lou > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:55:35 +0100 > From: Jean Wood <[email protected]> > Subject: [NTT] Skeletons (was: NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 48) > To: <[email protected]>, Nottsgen <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Aeons ago, I was 17, doing A levels in both Art and History. I wanted to make a circular, calligraphic, family tree going back say 4 generations. My paternal grandmother was positively obstructive. We all knew that her father was Italian, and she was not too keen to tell me much about him and his family, but when it came to her father-in-law, (and I never knew my grandfather who died 5 years before I was born) she became positively vitriolic. We all knew that he had started an artificial limb business before 1890 (and it still exists, but is not in Notts) but she would tell me NOTHING. > > Her mantra was "they're dead and gone and best forgotten" (nor did she approve of my idea to learn italian though she could speak it perfectly well) > > Over 20 years later, with a young family and having been struggling to continue family research, using public transport to go to distant Record Offices and libraries, and in contact with a distant cousin, descendant of the family who still run the limb business, I received a phone call out of the blue. It was an official genealogist who wanted to ask me questions about my research, and specifically about my grandmother. I told him what I knew.He was preparing a book on the centenary of the business.. I remarked that I had discovered that my great grandfather, the one Grandma detested, had left a Will, proved in August 1926, but then revoked and a new grant of probate made in February 1927. > > My inquirer, said, "Oh, yes. The other family challenged the Will." > > (My father was an incorrigible romancer and teller of tall tales, so it was ALWAYS difficult to separate fact from fiction. He had remarked now and again that several young men, the spit of his father, followed the coffin. He was 8 years old in 1926) > It turned out that indeed, G grandfather had set up house with a soubrette - former companion to Stan Laurel - by whom she had a son in November 1911. The lady friend's house was within about 3 miles of the family home. My grandparents married in July 1913 and had lived next door to each other for most of their childhood. > > Can you imagine? - the scandal of your father-in-law playing away, with living proof, less than two years before the posh wedding you had been building up to for years! It probably also explains the stony expression on the young bride's face in the wedding photo! Father in law looks like the cat with the cream and his wife ( these 2 my g grandparents) just looks weary. > > Shortly after this phone call (1989 or thereabouts,) I had one long phone call and one long letter from the son of the 1911 baby. Sadly i have heard nothing since. He was very bitter about the whole business - and this 70+ years on. He was only a couple of years older than me, but was effectively my father's cousin. > > Jean Wood > > > > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:15:06 +0000 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [NTT] Skeletons (was: NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 48) > > > > > > When I started researching the family tree in my teens, my grandfather > > told my brother to tell me that he (my GF) wouldn't help me in any way > > and that I shouldn't ask! I carried on regardless but without his help ;-) > > > > For his 90th birthday, I presented him with a hand written 'tree (I did > > calligraphy) - him, 2 generations back and 2 generations forward - not > > in great detail - just names. He realised and appreciated what I had > > achieved and there and then bequeathed me his family albums and all his > > diaries, etc. > > > > By that time, I had discovered that his father was illegitimate - what > > he didn't want me to know (thus no dates on the 'tree). But it was a > > year or so after his death, that I discovered that his mother was > > illegitimate as well. I will never know if *he* ever knew about that or > > not. > > > > I found it fascinating but my dad was really shocked when I told him of > > the illegitimacies - 1 generation closer to him was a little too close. > > I now temper my excitement when I come across a piece of juicy intrigue! > > > > Heather > > > > > > > > On 17/02/2012 10:03, [email protected] wrote: > > > From: Shirley Elston<[email protected]> > > > > > >> Talking of divorce earlier,I was married in 1974 to someone and we > > >> were both married before and had to obtain divorce papers to get > > >> married to each other. > > >> I knew my OH had been married before so didn't think anything of it > > >> at the time. > > >> We were together about 40 years altogether,10 of them before we > > >> married and 30 years married and then we divorced just a few years > > >> ago. I learned my ex had died a couple of years ago and for some > > >> unknown reason I was looking on Ancestry at marriages for our > > >> marriage details,just curiosity I suppose,like you do! I was amazed > > >> to see that my ex had been married twice before he married me and > > >> the second marriage had occurred while married still to the first > > >> wife! > > >> Well of course I had to persue this as I started to wonder about my > > >> own marriage,thankfully the second wife had divorced him just a few > > >> months before he married me. The second marriage he had was in the > > >> 60's so at the in between stage of computers which is probably why > > >> he got away with it. He produced the first marriage divorce papers > > >> to marry me. He is dead now so I can't even ask him about it . > > >> During the first 10 years we were together it suited me not to > > >> re-marry after the first disaster and I suppose he didn't persue it > > >> because of what he had done! I must confess I was a bit shocked to > > >> discover this. > > >> > > >> Shirley< > > > Having been in genealogy for around 40 years now, the very first thing I always tell beginners > > > when they ask my advice on how to get started is this: "If you are the sort of person who is > > > going to be upset by what you might discover, then don't even think about doing it!" > > > > > > When I began in the 1970s my late mother was horrified and begged my wife to try and stop > > > me. Why? Because virtually the very first thing I found out was that not only had my father > > > been married before, moreover that he had had an illegitimate daughter by another woman > > > (not his wife) who was my half-sister. As it happens, my sister and I found each other a few > > > years later (she lives in Australia) and we have met a number of times and got to know each > > > other. We still keep in touch now and then via e-mail. > > > > > > I could never understand why my mother was so desperate not for me to find out, a > > > generational thing I suppose. It turned out when I eventually contacted my half-sister that all > > > the family had known about her, my father's brother and sisters had sent her birthday and > > > Christmas cards and presents, but no-one had ever told me! My initial reaction was anger > > > that I had been prevented from knowing I had a sister for the first half of my life, but that has > > > now gone away and we just enjoy keeping in touch. > > > > > > Families and family history is a funny business and anyone who can't accept what they find > > > shouldn't be in it at all! Thanks for giving us your experience, Shirley. > > > > > > -- > > > Roy Stockdill > > > Genealogical researcher, writer& lecturer > > > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy& Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > > > > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > > > and that is not being talked about." > > > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Notts Surname List > > > > > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > Notts Surname List > > > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 50 > *************************************** > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I stared my family history in 1981 and Mum and Dad were fascinated, we found out that My paternal grandfather was illigitimate which didn't suprise Dad, but when I told my Uncle his reaction was 'of course she was married, she had THREE children'. I had great difficulty find out when my Gt Grandmother died until we realised that she was buried under the name of the man she was living with at the time (still unmarried) Jan

Dear Nivard VERY WELL done you have made my day, I to will carry on , what an inspiration Margaret Notts Uk In a message dated 18/02/2012 13:19:15 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: The skeleton that never was I have had information on my g.g.grandfather James WELLS for many years, he was born 1826 in Suffolk, married my g.g.grandmother in 1857, they had thirteen children but sadly my g.g.grandmother died eight hours after giving birth to their last and thirteenth child at 8:20pm 16th December 1874

I'm interested in Roper family history in the Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire area  pre 1900 and would like to compare notes with anyone else with the same interests. I've tried to email Trevor Roper who appears in the Nottinghamshire Surname List as follows  " Roper 1300- Any Trevor Roper [email protected]" but my message bounced because this email address wasn't recognised. Can anyone send me  Trevor's latest email address ? Thank you, Barry Roper

I started my family tree about 15 years ago,I started with my father's side of the family and discovered my grandfather was illigitimate,fell out with my cousin over that one! I found some unexpected surprises that I was quite happy with, I then proceeded to do my mother's side of the family and it's been a nightmare so far! My mother always told me she was illigitimate,her mother either didn't know the father or just refused to say. My mother has used 4 different maiden names on her certificates for marriage and births,lucky I chose to do the family history to explain it all! My Gran got married the following year after mum was born,step grandfather Harry Williams said he was 26 in 1907 when they married in Ashby Z and he was a coal miner so then I tried to find him in 1881,1891,1901 without any luck and finally found him on 1911 census, I also tried to find his father William Williams (deceased in 1907) with no luck either. The place of birth for step grandfather was Castle Ashby,Norths which I took to be Northampton,the only trouble is his job was now Traveller! on the roundabouts so obviously fairground (now living in Pudsey in 1911) Maybe this is why I can't track him down,too much moving about! I have no idea when he died or where and Gran remarried in 1939 in Nottingham saying she was a widow. I tried looking at the electoral rolls in Nottingham between 1926 and 1952 but he wasn't with Gran. I have looked on the war graves site but he has a common surname of Williams. There were half a dozen more children after mum,half of them were Harry's but the other half belong to a Peter Williams. No idea who he was. I have tried talking to a few cousins but they know less than I do! The only new clue I have is the name Dashwood which is what mum used on my youngest brother's birth certificate and a family tree recently popped up on Ancestry with a similar name in it which I think is an older brother of my mother living in Nottingham,I did try to contact the person a couple of times but no reply was the answer! I may have to wait for another census to come out before I can move any further. I can't tell you how much I have struggled with this crowd! Any suggestions where I look next? Shirley ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, 17 February 2012, 22:55 Subject: NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 50 Today's Topics:   1. Re: NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 48       ([email protected])   2. Chapel Street, Radford (Rosemary Probert)   3. Re: Chapel Street, Radford (Brian Binns)   4. Re: Skeletons (was: NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 48)       (The Quineys)   5. Divorce (Louis Mills)   6. Skeletons (was: NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 48) (Jean Wood) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:03:49 -0000 From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NTT] NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 48 To: n[email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From:              Shirley Elston <[email protected]> > Talking of divorce earlier,I was married in 1974 to someone  and we > were both married before and had to obtain divorce papers to get > married to each other. > I knew my OH had been married before so didn't think anything of it > at the time. > We were together about 40 years altogether,10 of them before we > married and 30 years married and then we divorced just a few years > ago. I learned my ex had died a couple of years ago and for some > unknown reason I was looking on Ancestry at marriages for our > marriage details,just curiosity I suppose,like you do! I was amazed > to see that my ex had been married twice before he married me and > the second marriage had occurred while married still to the first > wife! > Well of course I had to persue this as I started to wonder about my > own marriage,thankfully the second wife had divorced him just a few > months before he married me. The second marriage he had was in the > 60's so at the in between stage of computers which is probably why > he got away with it.  He produced the first marriage divorce papers > to marry me.  He is dead now so I can't even ask him about it . > During the first 10 years we were together it suited me not to > re-marry after the first disaster and I suppose he didn't persue it > because of what he had done!  I must confess I was a bit shocked to > discover this. > > Shirley < Having been in genealogy for around 40 years now, the very first thing I always tell beginners when they ask my advice on how to get started is this: "If you are the sort of person who is going to be upset by what you might discover, then don't even think about doing it!" When I began in the 1970s my late mother was horrified and begged my wife to try and stop me. Why? Because virtually the very first thing I found out was that not only had my father been married before, moreover that he had had an illegitimate daughter by another woman (not his wife) who was my half-sister. As it happens, my sister and I found each other a few years later (she lives in Australia) and we have met a number of times and got to know each other. We still keep in touch now and then via e-mail. I could never understand why my mother was so desperate not for me to find out, a generational thing I suppose. It turned out when I eventually contacted my half-sister that all the family had known about her, my father's brother and sisters had sent her birthday and Christmas cards and presents, but no-one had ever told me! My initial reaction was anger that I had been prevented from knowing I had a sister for the first half of my life, but that has now gone away and we just enjoy keeping in touch. Families and family history is a funny business and anyone who can't accept what they find shouldn't be in it at all! Thanks for giving us your experience, Shirley. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:45:29 +0000 From: Rosemary Probert <[email protected]> Subject: [NTT] Chapel Street, Radford To: nottinghamshire Mailing List <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I'm trying to find out where Chapel Street is/was in Radford. I've been going cross-eyed looking at maps and I wonder if any one can point me in the right direction. I'd also like to find a photo of it or the area, Thank you Rosemary Northumberland UK Email: [email protected] Family History: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rprobert/ Banburyshire Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engcbanb/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:13:37 -0000 From: "Brian Binns" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [NTT] Chapel Street, Radford To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii" Rosemary, To give you some idea of the housing in that area, check out the www.picturethepast.org.uk website and search for Moores Yard. This was on Pelican Street and was where my Greatgrandmother was on the 1891 census. I do not know, but I imagine that the houses, yards and courts on Chapel Street were very similar. Brian Binns  -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rosemary Probert Sent: 17 February 2012 16:45 To: nottinghamshire Mailing List Subject: [NTT] Chapel Street, Radford I'm trying to find out where Chapel Street is/was in Radford. I've been going cross-eyed looking at maps and I wonder if any one can point me in the right direction. I'd also like to find a photo of it or the area, Thank you Rosemary Northumberland UK Email: [email protected] Family History: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rprobert/ Banburyshire Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engcbanb/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4814 - Release Date: 02/16/12 ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:15:06 +0000 From: The Quineys <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [NTT] Skeletons (was: NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 48) To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed When I started researching the family tree in my teens, my grandfather told my brother to tell me that he (my GF) wouldn't help me in any way and that I shouldn't ask!  I carried on regardless but without his help ;-) For his 90th birthday, I presented him with a hand written 'tree (I did calligraphy) - him, 2 generations back and 2 generations forward - not in great detail - just names.  He realised and appreciated what I had achieved and there and then bequeathed me his family albums and all his diaries, etc. By that time, I had discovered that his father was illegitimate - what he didn't want me to know (thus no dates on the 'tree).  But it was a year or so after his death, that I discovered that his mother was illegitimate as well.  I will never know if *he* ever knew about that or not. I found it fascinating but my dad was really shocked when I told him of the illegitimacies - 1 generation closer to him was a little too close.  I now temper my excitement when I come across a piece of juicy intrigue! Heather On 17/02/2012 10:03, [email protected] wrote: > From:              Shirley Elston<[email protected]> > >> Talking of divorce earlier,I was married in 1974 to someone  and we >> were both married before and had to obtain divorce papers to get >> married to each other. >> I knew my OH had been married before so didn't think anything of it >> at the time. >> We were together about 40 years altogether,10 of them before we >> married and 30 years married and then we divorced just a few years >> ago. I learned my ex had died a couple of years ago and for some >> unknown reason I was looking on Ancestry at marriages for our >> marriage details,just curiosity I suppose,like you do! I was amazed >> to see that my ex had been married twice before he married me and >> the second marriage had occurred while married still to the first >> wife! >> Well of course I had to persue this as I started to wonder about my >> own marriage,thankfully the second wife had divorced him just a few >> months before he married me. The second marriage he had was in the >> 60's so at the in between stage of computers which is probably why >> he got away with it.  He produced the first marriage divorce papers >> to marry me.  He is dead now so I can't even ask him about it . >> During the first 10 years we were together it suited me not to >> re-marry after the first disaster and I suppose he didn't persue it >> because of what he had done!  I must confess I was a bit shocked to >> discover this. >> >> Shirley< > Having been in genealogy for around 40 years now, the very first thing I always tell beginners > when they ask my advice on how to get started is this: "If you are the sort of person who is > going to be upset by what you might discover, then don't even think about doing it!" > > When I began in the 1970s my late mother was horrified and begged my wife to try and stop > me. Why? Because virtually the very first thing I found out was that not only had my father > been married before, moreover that he had had an illegitimate daughter by another woman > (not his wife) who was my half-sister. As it happens, my sister and I found each other a few > years later (she lives in Australia) and we have met a number of times and got to know each > other. We still keep in touch now and then via e-mail. > > I could never understand why my mother was so desperate not for me to find out, a > generational thing I suppose. It turned out when I eventually contacted my half-sister that all > the family had known about her, my father's brother and sisters had sent her birthday and > Christmas cards and presents, but no-one had ever told me! My initial reaction was anger > that I had been prevented from knowing I had a sister for the first half of my life, but that has > now gone away and we just enjoy keeping in touch. > > Families and family history is a funny business and anyone who can't accept what they find > shouldn't be in it at all! Thanks for giving us your experience, Shirley. > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Genealogical researcher, writer&  lecturer > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy&  Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:29:39 -0800 (PST) From: Louis Mills <[email protected]> Subject: [NTT] Divorce To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Message-ID:     <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I've been reading about these divorces mentioned on the list.? I once looked up the history of the "divorce" process, a task that made my wife somewhat nervous.? But it was interesting because I had seen people discussing it on the Lincolnshire mailing list. You can see my findings at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~englin/divorce.htm It includes a discussion of "Wife sales".? I assume that these are no longer allowed in Nottinghamshire, as well. ??? Lou ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:55:35 +0100 From: Jean Wood <[email protected]> Subject: [NTT] Skeletons (was: NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 48) To: <[email protected]>, Nottsgen <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Aeons ago, I was 17, doing A levels in both Art and History. I wanted to make a circular, calligraphic, family tree going back say 4 generations. My paternal grandmother was positively obstructive. We all knew that her father was Italian, and she was not too keen to tell me much about him and his family, but when it came to her father-in-law, (and I never knew my grandfather who died 5 years before I was born) she became positively vitriolic. We all knew that he had started an artificial limb business before 1890 (and it still exists, but is not in Notts) but she would tell me NOTHING. Her mantra was "they're dead and gone and best forgotten" (nor did she approve of my idea to learn italian though she could speak it perfectly well) Over 20 years later, with a young family and having been struggling to continue family research, using public transport to go to distant Record Offices and libraries, and in contact with a distant cousin, descendant of the family who still run the limb business, I received a phone call out of the blue. It was an official genealogist who wanted to ask me questions about my research, and specifically about my grandmother. I told him what I knew.He was preparing a book on the centenary of the business.. I remarked that I had discovered that my great grandfather, the one Grandma detested, had left a Will, proved in August 1926, but then revoked and a new grant of probate made in February 1927. My inquirer, said, "Oh, yes. The other family challenged the Will." (My father was an incorrigible romancer and teller of tall tales, so it was ALWAYS difficult to separate fact from fiction. He had remarked now and again that several young men, the spit of his father, followed the coffin. He was 8 years old in 1926) It turned out that indeed, G grandfather had set up house with a soubrette - former companion to Stan Laurel - by whom she had a son in November 1911. The lady friend's house was within about 3 miles of the family home. My grandparents married in July 1913 and had lived next door to each other for most of their childhood. Can you imagine? - the scandal of your father-in-law playing away, with living proof, less than two years before the posh wedding you had been building up to for years! It probably also explains the stony expression on the young bride's face in the wedding photo! Father in law looks like the cat with the cream and his wife ( these 2 my g grandparents) just looks weary. Shortly after this phone call (1989 or thereabouts,) I had one long phone call and one long letter from the son of the 1911 baby. Sadly i have heard nothing since. He was very bitter about the whole business - and this 70+ years on. He was only a couple of years older than me, but was effectively my father's cousin. Jean Wood > Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:15:06 +0000 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]b.com > Subject: Re: [NTT] Skeletons (was: NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 48) > > > When I started researching the family tree in my teens, my grandfather > told my brother to tell me that he (my GF) wouldn't help me in any way > and that I shouldn't ask! I carried on regardless but without his help ;-) > > For his 90th birthday, I presented him with a hand written 'tree (I did > calligraphy) - him, 2 generations back and 2 generations forward - not > in great detail - just names. He realised and appreciated what I had > achieved and there and then bequeathed me his family albums and all his > diaries, etc. > > By that time, I had discovered that his father was illegitimate - what > he didn't want me to know (thus no dates on the 'tree). But it was a > year or so after his death, that I discovered that his mother was > illegitimate as well. I will never know if *he* ever knew about that or > not. > > I found it fascinating but my dad was really shocked when I told him of > the illegitimacies - 1 generation closer to him was a little too close. > I now temper my excitement when I come across a piece of juicy intrigue! > > Heather > > > > On 17/02/2012 10:03, [email protected] wrote: > > From: Shirley Elston<[email protected]> > > > >> Talking of divorce earlier,I was married in 1974 to someone and we > >> were both married before and had to obtain divorce papers to get > >> married to each other. > >> I knew my OH had been married before so didn't think anything of it > >> at the time. > >> We were together about 40 years altogether,10 of them before we > >> married and 30 years married and then we divorced just a few years > >> ago. I learned my ex had died a couple of years ago and for some > >> unknown reason I was looking on Ancestry at marriages for our > >> marriage details,just curiosity I suppose,like you do! I was amazed > >> to see that my ex had been married twice before he married me and > >> the second marriage had occurred while married still to the first > >> wife! > >> Well of course I had to persue this as I started to wonder about my > >> own marriage,thankfully the second wife had divorced him just a few > >> months before he married me. The second marriage he had was in the > >> 60's so at the in between stage of computers which is probably why > >> he got away with it. He produced the first marriage divorce papers > >> to marry me. He is dead now so I can't even ask him about it . > >> During the first 10 years we were together it suited me not to > >> re-marry after the first disaster and I suppose he didn't persue it > >> because of what he had done! I must confess I was a bit shocked to > >> discover this. > >> > >> Shirley< > > Having been in genealogy for around 40 years now, the very first thing I always tell beginners > > when they ask my advice on how to get started is this: "If you are the sort of person who is > > going to be upset by what you might discover, then don't even think about doing it!" > > > > When I began in the 1970s my late mother was horrified and begged my wife to try and stop > > me. Why? Because virtually the very first thing I found out was that not only had my father > > been married before, moreover that he had had an illegitimate daughter by another woman > > (not his wife) who was my half-sister. As it happens, my sister and I found each other a few > > years later (she lives in Australia) and we have met a number of times and got to know each > > other. We still keep in touch now and then via e-mail. > > > > I could never understand why my mother was so desperate not for me to find out, a > > generational thing I suppose. It turned out when I eventually contacted my half-sister that all > > the family had known about her, my father's brother and sisters had sent her birthday and > > Christmas cards and presents, but no-one had ever told me! My initial reaction was anger > > that I had been prevented from knowing I had a sister for the first half of my life, but that has > > now gone away and we just enjoy keeping in touch. > > > > Families and family history is a funny business and anyone who can't accept what they find > > shouldn't be in it at all! Thanks for giving us your experience, Shirley. > > > > -- > > Roy Stockdill > > Genealogical researcher, writer& lecturer > > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy& Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > > and that is not being talked about." > > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Notts Surname List > > > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message                         ------------------------------ End of NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 50 ***************************************