Just found this interesting site. They might like some photos as well Tony. Brian http://www.closedpubs.co.uk/nottinghamshire.html -----Original Message----- From: Tony Proctor [mailto:tony@proctor.net] Sent: 05 September 2013 10:54 To: Brian Binns; nottsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NTT] Another Notts pub goes I'm about to pass on photos of several pubs from the old Meadows to pictuerthepast. Tony Proctor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Binns" <bnbinns@gmail.com> To: <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 10:47 AM Subject: [NTT] Another Notts pub goes > We are losing pubs almost every week, and I have posted details on here of > some that I have noticed that have gone. OK, most of the ones that have > gone > were not ancient pubs, and they were not as important as some other > buildings but they did form part of the lives of many people and so should > be remembered. > > Another of the more modern pubs to have closed recently and apparently on > the verge of demolition, is "The Flying Bedstead" in Hucknall. Albeit a > fairly ugly mid-1950s building, this pub is one whose name celebrates a > part > of Nottinghamshire history. For those who don't know, let me explain. > > The world famous aero engine makers, Rolls Royce, have a factory in > Hucknall, and it was here that development work took place on the first > vertical lift and landing aircraft. Rolls Royce built a contraption (can't > think of a better word for it) to test the unique engines needed to enable > vertical lift and then convert it to normal lateral flying. The engines > were > mounted on a frame which resembled an old iron bedstead, and the sobriquet > "Flying Bedstead" was established. This test work was the foundation for > the > development of the world famous and unique Harrier "jump jet". > > So although the pub building itself was of little consequence, the name > and > its position close to the Rolls Royce factory was. I wonder if someone > saved > the old pub sign? > > > > Brian Binns > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm about to pass on photos of several pubs from the old Meadows to pictuerthepast. Tony Proctor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Binns" <bnbinns@gmail.com> To: <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 10:47 AM Subject: [NTT] Another Notts pub goes > We are losing pubs almost every week, and I have posted details on here of > some that I have noticed that have gone. OK, most of the ones that have > gone > were not ancient pubs, and they were not as important as some other > buildings but they did form part of the lives of many people and so should > be remembered. > > Another of the more modern pubs to have closed recently and apparently on > the verge of demolition, is "The Flying Bedstead" in Hucknall. Albeit a > fairly ugly mid-1950s building, this pub is one whose name celebrates a > part > of Nottinghamshire history. For those who don't know, let me explain. > > The world famous aero engine makers, Rolls Royce, have a factory in > Hucknall, and it was here that development work took place on the first > vertical lift and landing aircraft. Rolls Royce built a contraption (can't > think of a better word for it) to test the unique engines needed to enable > vertical lift and then convert it to normal lateral flying. The engines > were > mounted on a frame which resembled an old iron bedstead, and the sobriquet > "Flying Bedstead" was established. This test work was the foundation for > the > development of the world famous and unique Harrier "jump jet". > > So although the pub building itself was of little consequence, the name > and > its position close to the Rolls Royce factory was. I wonder if someone > saved > the old pub sign? > > > > Brian Binns > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

We are losing pubs almost every week, and I have posted details on here of some that I have noticed that have gone. OK, most of the ones that have gone were not ancient pubs, and they were not as important as some other buildings but they did form part of the lives of many people and so should be remembered. Another of the more modern pubs to have closed recently and apparently on the verge of demolition, is "The Flying Bedstead" in Hucknall. Albeit a fairly ugly mid-1950s building, this pub is one whose name celebrates a part of Nottinghamshire history. For those who don't know, let me explain. The world famous aero engine makers, Rolls Royce, have a factory in Hucknall, and it was here that development work took place on the first vertical lift and landing aircraft. Rolls Royce built a contraption (can't think of a better word for it) to test the unique engines needed to enable vertical lift and then convert it to normal lateral flying. The engines were mounted on a frame which resembled an old iron bedstead, and the sobriquet "Flying Bedstead" was established. This test work was the foundation for the development of the world famous and unique Harrier "jump jet". So although the pub building itself was of little consequence, the name and its position close to the Rolls Royce factory was. I wonder if someone saved the old pub sign? Brian Binns

Jenny has kindly thanked me via a direct email, but just to put further information to a wider audience. Emmanuel and Harriett were living in Shirland, Derbyshire in later censuses, which Jenny had found, and the surname is MARRIOTT, so it was just a case of Emmanuel not being able to spell his own name correctly. Not too bad really when very many at that time couldn't even write. Emmanuel MARROITT was born in Farnsfield, Notts. Harriett was living with her grandparents on the 1851 census in South Wingfield, Derbyshire, and was born in Wessington, Derbyshire. Both villages are roughly between Matlock and Alfreton. Selston is just on the Nottinghamshire side of the border with Derbyshire, so not too far away. I have found a possibility for her on the 1841 census as a female servant in Chesterfield with the rounded up age of 15. There is a David WALTERS, farmer, on the 1851 census, living in Stonebroom, Derbys, which is not far away from Wessington, where Harriett was born. Could this be the mysterious "father"? Jenny will now have to switch her requests to the Derbyshire, Rootsweb list. WALTERS is one of those surnames that gets regularly mis-transcribed, so always look for WATTERS, WOTTERS, WATERS and other variations. Brian Binns -----Original Message----- From: Brian Binns [mailto:bnbinns@gmail.com] Sent: 04 September 2013 15:22 To: 'Jenny Levine'; nottsgen-l@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [NTT] Marriage Record Jenny, I found the marriage for you. Emmanuel MARRIOTT age 21, bachelor, profession F.W.K. (frame work knitter), residence at time of marriage, Selston. No fathers name or profession entered. Harriett TURNER, age 22, spinster. No rank or profession shown. Residence at time of marriage, Selston. Father's name and surname, David WALTERS. Rank or profession, Farmer. Groom signed Emmanuel MARRATT; Bride, Harriett TURNER. Witnesses; James WILSON, who signed, and Frances BAXTER who made her mark. I can scan a copy of the register I have and email it to you directly. There is obviously some research to be done to determine if he was a MARRIOTT or MARRATT - perhaps he just couldn't spell. But why is her father's surname different to hers? You will need to check previous censuses. All capitalisation done by me for clarification. Brian Binns -----Original Message----- From: nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jenny Levine Sent: 04 September 2013 01:37 To: nottsgen-l@rootsweb.com Subject: [NTT] Marriage Record Hi everyone, I wonder if there might be someone who can help me access the Nottingham archival records for a marriage at St Helen's, Selston - Jul 12, 1853, for Emmanuel MARRIOTT and Harriett TURNER? Any details available would be very much appreciated. FreeBMD has him indexed as MARRATT Emanuel, Sept Q 1853, Basford by the way. Thanks so much! Jenny Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Jenny I don’t know whether I would say someone way back then spelled his/her name incorrectly as so often names were spelled as they were heard by whomever was transcribing. A local accent could also contribute to how a name was ‘heard’. Your MARRAT probably was taught to spell his name from someone who heard it as MARRAT. Also the transcriber could just spell a name the way he or she wanted to and if the person in question was illiterate no one would be aware (or care!) I have BUNTINGs who also appeared as BUNTONs within the same family group and my line ended up being BUNTON whereas a cousin’s line was BUNTING – and within the same parish register both spellings were used for the same family. I also have a line of LANEs who (in the same handwriting for baptisms of various children of the same parents) were LAIN, LAYING, LAYNE. Just my two cents’ worth – not that we have pennies any more! Best regards Elizabeth Pugh Whitehorse Yukon where it’s still almost summer and at my end of town we haven’t had a frost yet .

Thank you for the kind responses today! Much appreciated. >From lovely western Canada - where today it was still summer! Jenny ---------------------------------------- > From: jipl19@live.ca > To: nottsgen-l@rootsweb.com > Subject: Marriage Record > Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 17:36:52 -0700 > > Hi everyone, > > I wonder if there might be someone who can help me access the Nottingham archival records for a marriage at St Helen's, Selston - Jul 12, 1853, > for Emmanuel MARRIOTT and Harriett TURNER? Any details available would be very much appreciated. > > FreeBMD has him indexed as MARRATT Emanuel, Sept Q 1853, Basford by the way. > > Thanks so much! > Jenny

You just jogged my memory. If anyone is actually researching, DAFT, I have an old (1957)school photo with my woodwork teacher on it, Mr Daft, George, I think, he died during my time at Arnold Lane Sec. Mod. School I think of a heart attack, a very student centered teacher Ted Stevenson Perth, Western Australia -----Original Message----- From: nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Brian Binns Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 5:43 PM To: 'Tony Proctor'; 'Robert Burns'; nottsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NTT] Divorces Tony, I asked the very same question but there's no restriction. And I totally agree with you that a 100 year rule on school records is just plain daft (famous Nottingham surname by the way - Daft). Someone entering school 100 years ago would now be 105!! Brian -----Original Message----- From: Tony Proctor [mailto:tony@proctor.net] Sent: 04 September 2013 10:36 To: Brian Binns; 'Robert Burns'; nottsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NTT] Divorces How open would these records be? I was in the Archive yesterday and never bothered to ask about this particular source of information. There was a sign up in reception indicating that school records were now under a 100-year restriction - which I consider to be plain daft - so why would I expect divorce details to be any more accessible? Tony Proctor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Binns" <bnbinns@gmail.com> To: "'Robert Burns'" <famh1story@aol.com>; <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [NTT] Divorces >I have just found out from Notts Archives that they have copies of >divorce cases up to the early 1950s, so I’m off there today to search. > > > > Brian > > > > From: Robert Burns [mailto:famh1story@aol.com] > Sent: 04 September 2013 10:23 > To: bnbinns@gmail.com; nottsgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NTT] Divorces > > > > Brian, > > > > If you receive benefits you can get a 10 year search carried about by > HMCS for the divorce absolute. The address is the same as that for > wills in Holborn London. If you do not receive benefits then its £60. > I also know that local county courts will do the same 10 years search > for £45 and again free if on benefits > > > > Rob > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Binns <bnbinns@gmail.com> > To: nottsgen <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wed, Sep 4, 2013 9:33 am > Subject: [NTT] Divorces > > My mother's elder brother was divorced in the late 1940s/early 1950s > but it was never spoken about. I can just about recall his wife - my > aunt - but I was quite young at the time. My mother never had any > photos of the wedding - perhaps that should say she never kept any! My > uncle suffered from a form of Parkinson's and I always think of him as > living with my grandmother as a single person - which he certainly did > after my grandfather died in 1954. > > I am researching the life of my grandfather, who worked for himself > and did so many different things to earn a living. Marriage > certificates of his c children are therefore useful as they give the > father's occupation and help in me piecing together my grandfather's > story. This particular uncle was the only one of four whose marriage > details I didn't have. > > I found the quarter my uncle was married from the GRO, which was in > 1943, and could have just sent for the certificate, but nowadays I am > trying to cut back on unnecessary spending. From the GRO I also had > his wife's maiden name and traced her birth, also by the GRO, and > thereby found her parents. > I > found them on the 1911 census and established which part of Nottingham > they were living in - Sneinton. All this done at home online. > > Making the assumption that the parents had remained in that specific > area of Nottingham I went to Notts Archives to search church > registers, hoping against hope that it hadn't been a register office > wedding. Fortunately I found them in the third church I checked - St > Matthias. Bingo! > > My grandfather ran a summer business on the Lincolnshire coast and the > family worked there in summer, returning to Nottingham for the > winter. My grandmother, this uncle, another uncle and my aunt moved > there after my grandfather's death and all my cousins from this side > now live there. From one of them I knew that my uncle's ex-wife had > remarried and also settled in this same village - now wouldn't that > have been odd with my uncle keep bumping into his ex? So armed with > the place and her husband's surname it was easy to find my aunt's > second marriage - which turned out to be 1953. > > I now wanted to narrow down the time frame for the divorce, so I > searched the electoral rolls in Notts Archives hoping I could find my > uncle and his wife, which turned out to be quite easy as they were > living with my grandparents right up to 1950. However in 1951 my aunt > was living with her parents, so at least I have a rough date of when > they split up. Just to finish this story I want to find their divorce. > Sadly the Nottingham Evening Post has not yet been digitised and > searchable beyond 1950, so reports from the Assizes like I recently > posted will not be a source. > > I only pass this little tale on to show what can be found out from > various sources to paint a picture. As many more experienced > researchers than I have pointed out, it is putting together all the > pieces of the jigsaw in a logical manner. It takes time - in this > incidence it didn't actually take that long - but it's worth it. > However I do appreciate that I am fortunate to have the time and the > access to Notts Archives. > > Now how to find that divorce? > > > > Brian Binns > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If any one is going to the Archives and has a bit of spare time, I wondered if you would look up the Mug Shot’s of both Jennie GAMBLE of Nottingham and Edward GLYNN of Hull. I have been lead to believe that there were mug shots taken of both of them   Edwards murder of Jennie took place on March 3rd 1906 although Jennie had been arrested before that date for prostitution. Regards Ted Stevenson of Perth Western Australia Researching HAWKSLEY of Nottingham and pre-1880, Derbyshire

If any one is going to the Archives and has a bit of spare time, I wondered if you would look up the Mug Shot's of both Jennie GAMBLE of Nottingham and Edward GLYNN of Hull. I have been lead to believe that there were mug shots taken of both of them Edwards murder of Jennie took p[lace on March 3rd 1906 although Jennie had been arrested before that date for prostitution. Regards Ted Stevenson of Perth Western Australia Researching HAWKSLEY of Nottingham and pre-1880, Derbyshire

Yes, there is at least one Daft researcher. I just joined this list about 1 month ago. A good deal of research has been done on Dafts of Hickling by Peter Deft. I believe he has put it up on Ancestry.com. It was not easy to put my Daft line together from US and I laid it aside for awhile. I am closing my work on another line and just starting to review where I am on my Daft family. I have been told that there wills in Latin that I do not have and will be looking into that soon. I have from on line- close rolls of July 1280 of a Adam Daft who was imprisoned at Nottingham for trespasses in town of Nottingham. 1287 Robert Daft of Nottingham, a Robert Daft paid 10s in the time of Henry III for the 4th part of a Knights Fee in Algarthorpe. At this time, I have no idea what these statements mean. I have copy of Hickling parish records and a number of deeds proving my line to William who died 1549, son George who died 1614 in Hickling. This family held land in fee simple in Hickling very early, another item I don't quite understand. I was surprised that land was not all owned by royalty. We in the states have a lot to learn.. I would appreciate any help I can get on Dafts and what these old records from Thoroton's History of Nottinghamshire mean. My Thomas Daft arrived in Farmington, IL 1848, his wife was a Penniston, they were the grandparents of my grandmother. > From: nottsgen-request@rootsweb.com > Subject: NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 6, Issue 197 > To: nottsgen@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 14:13:12 -0600 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. FW: Divorces (Ted Stevenson) > 2. Re: Marriage Record (Brian Binns) > 3. Re: Newspaper reports (david wilson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 20:10:01 +0800 > From: "Ted Stevenson" <tedstevenson@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: [NTT] FW: Divorces > To: <NOTTSGEN@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <00e901cea967$b020fa80$1062ef80$@com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > You just jogged my memory. If anyone is actually researching, DAFT, I have an old (1957)school photo with my woodwork teacher on it, Mr Daft, George, I think, he died during my time at Arnold Lane Sec. Mod. School I think of a heart attack, a very student centered teacher > > Ted Stevenson Perth, Western Australia > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Brian Binns > Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 5:43 PM > To: 'Tony Proctor'; 'Robert Burns'; nottsgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NTT] Divorces > > Tony, > > I asked the very same question but there's no restriction. And I totally agree with you that a 100 year rule on school records is just plain daft (famous Nottingham surname by the way - Daft). > Someone entering school 100 years ago would now be 105!! > > Brian > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Proctor [mailto:tony@proctor.net] > Sent: 04 September 2013 10:36 > To: Brian Binns; 'Robert Burns'; nottsgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NTT] Divorces > > How open would these records be? I was in the Archive yesterday and never bothered to ask about this particular source of information. There was a sign up in reception indicating that school records were now under a 100-year restriction - which I consider to be plain daft - so why would I expect divorce details to be any more accessible? > > Tony Proctor > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Binns" <bnbinns@gmail.com> > To: "'Robert Burns'" <famh1story@aol.com>; <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 10:27 AM > Subject: Re: [NTT] Divorces > > > >I have just found out from Notts Archives that they have copies of > >divorce cases up to the early 1950s, so I?m off there today to search. > > > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > From: Robert Burns [mailto:famh1story@aol.com] > > Sent: 04 September 2013 10:23 > > To: bnbinns@gmail.com; nottsgen@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [NTT] Divorces > > > > > > > > Brian, > > > > > > > > If you receive benefits you can get a 10 year search carried about by > > HMCS for the divorce absolute. The address is the same as that for > > wills in Holborn London. If you do not receive benefits then its ?60. > > I also know that local county courts will do the same 10 years search > > for ?45 and again free if on benefits > > > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Brian Binns <bnbinns@gmail.com> > > To: nottsgen <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wed, Sep 4, 2013 9:33 am > > Subject: [NTT] Divorces > > > > My mother's elder brother was divorced in the late 1940s/early 1950s > > but it was never spoken about. I can just about recall his wife - my > > aunt - but I was quite young at the time. My mother never had any > > photos of the wedding - perhaps that should say she never kept any! My > > uncle suffered from a form of Parkinson's and I always think of him as > > living with my grandmother as a single person - which he certainly did > > after my grandfather died in 1954. > > > > I am researching the life of my grandfather, who worked for himself > > and did so many different things to earn a living. Marriage > > certificates of his c children are therefore useful as they give the > > father's occupation and help in me piecing together my grandfather's > > story. This particular uncle was the only one of four whose marriage > > details I didn't have. > > > > I found the quarter my uncle was married from the GRO, which was in > > 1943, and could have just sent for the certificate, but nowadays I am > > trying to cut back on unnecessary spending. From the GRO I also had > > his wife's maiden name and traced her birth, also by the GRO, and > > thereby found her parents. > > I > > found them on the 1911 census and established which part of Nottingham > > they were living in - Sneinton. All this done at home online. > > > > Making the assumption that the parents had remained in that specific > > area of Nottingham I went to Notts Archives to search church > > registers, hoping against hope that it hadn't been a register office > > wedding. Fortunately I found them in the third church I checked - St > > Matthias. Bingo! > > > > My grandfather ran a summer business on the Lincolnshire coast and the > > family worked there in summer, returning to Nottingham for the > > winter. My grandmother, this uncle, another uncle and my aunt moved > > there after my grandfather's death and all my cousins from this side > > now live there. From one of them I knew that my uncle's ex-wife had > > remarried and also settled in this same village - now wouldn't that > > have been odd with my uncle keep bumping into his ex? So armed with > > the place and her husband's surname it was easy to find my aunt's > > second marriage - which turned out to be 1953. > > > > I now wanted to narrow down the time frame for the divorce, so I > > searched the electoral rolls in Notts Archives hoping I could find my > > uncle and his wife, which turned out to be quite easy as they were > > living with my grandparents right up to 1950. However in 1951 my aunt > > was living with her parents, so at least I have a rough date of when > > they split up. Just to finish this story I want to find their divorce. > > Sadly the Nottingham Evening Post has not yet been digitised and > > searchable beyond 1950, so reports from the Assizes like I recently > > posted will not be a source. > > > > I only pass this little tale on to show what can be found out from > > various sources to paint a picture. As many more experienced > > researchers than I have pointed out, it is putting together all the > > pieces of the jigsaw in a logical manner. It takes time - in this > > incidence it didn't actually take that long - but it's worth it. > > However I do appreciate that I am fortunate to have the time and the > > access to Notts Archives. > > > > Now how to find that divorce? > > > > > > > > Brian Binns > > > > > > > > Notts Surname List > > > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > Notts Surname List > > > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 15:21:46 +0100 > From: "Brian Binns" <bnbinns@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [NTT] Marriage Record > To: "'Jenny Levine'" <jipl19@live.ca>, <nottsgen-l@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <003301cea97a$17a7a4d0$46f6ee70$@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Jenny, > > I found the marriage for you. > > Emmanuel MARRIOTT age 21, bachelor, profession F.W.K. (frame work knitter), > residence at time of marriage, Selston. No fathers name or profession > entered. > Harriett TURNER, age 22, spinster. No rank or profession shown. Residence at > time of marriage, Selston. Father's name and surname, David WALTERS. Rank or > profession, Farmer. > > Groom signed Emmanuel MARRATT; Bride, Harriett TURNER. Witnesses; James > WILSON, who signed, and Frances BAXTER who made her mark. > > I can scan a copy of the register I have and email it to you directly. There > is obviously some research to be done to determine if he was a MARRIOTT or > MARRATT - perhaps he just couldn't spell. But why is her father's surname > different to hers? You will need to check previous censuses. > > All capitalisation done by me for clarification. > > Brian Binns > > -----Original Message----- > From: nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Jenny Levine > Sent: 04 September 2013 01:37 > To: nottsgen-l@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NTT] Marriage Record > > Hi everyone, > > I wonder if there might be someone who can help me access the Nottingham > archival records for a marriage at St Helen's, Selston - Jul 12, 1853, for > Emmanuel MARRIOTT and Harriett TURNER? Any details available would be very > much appreciated. > > FreeBMD has him indexed as MARRATT Emanuel, Sept Q 1853, Basford by the > way. > > Thanks so much! > Jenny > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 13:13:08 -0700 (PDT) > From: david wilson <djwilson22@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [NTT] Newspaper reports > To: "nottsgen-l@rootsweb.com" <nottsgen-l@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1378325588.34230.YahooMailNeo@web125204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Further to the stories of our ancestors in the various Newspaper Archives I know I am stating the obvious but due to the oddities of the optical character reading software you have to explore every possible variation of the name . Slightly unusual names really help of course . > > We have a family connection to the name Bickley . ?Not sure we are connected to this one but I kept noticing an Absolom Bickley in the reports .There are actually two of them , senior and junior . > > Its an unusual name and I kept noticing it in regard to a number of petty crimes in the papers in the mid 1800s . > > Absolom also appears as Absalom with an "a" in the middle , so I added Bickley to the variations and got a number of results .? > > Fortunately Absolom is a fairly rare christian name so I just used that as a search term leaving out the surname , isolating it to the Notts area and picked out the following results which I am sure are all one and the same but transcribed wrongly :?Buckley Bickiey Btckley Biekey Blckley ?Eicicley Bckley ?Biddy ?Bich- ley ?Beckley ?Hickley ? Birktey > > I don't have full access and these are just the snippets . There are more than 30 assorted reported crimes below by either Absolom Bickley senior or junior .? > > One of them got transported in 1865 for 20 years to Australia and seems to have married and had a number of children and died in 1916 over there . That must have been junior as there were still offences being committed after that date by an Absalom up until 1881 .? > There is a death for him in 1889 in Nottingham aged 67 which must have been a relief to the police ! > > > > Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England > 17 Oct 1850 > POLICE INTELLIGENCE > Trouble. ? Absalom Bickley, brother to one of the prisoners tried on Monday at the County Sessions, was charged by Mr. Hillyard, governor of the County Jail at? > Nottingham, under the second and third of Victoria, cap. 56, sec. 22, with having thrown tobacco > > Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England > > 26 Aug 1852 > Disorderly. ? Absalom Bickley, 29, framework- knitter. Lee's Yard, was charged by police-constable Barnett with being drunk and disorderly between six and? > seven o'clock last night, and using threatening language to the officer by whom he was arrested. He had > > Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England > > 6 Oct 1853 > police intelligence > Felony.? Absolom Buckley, Si, ?? Lees' Yard, Narrow Marsh, was placed before the borough magistrates under the following circumstances:? Police-sergeant Bradley was on? > duty in Red Lion Street about half- past nine on Tuesday night, when be was accosted by > > Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England > > 24 Nov 1853 > Felony. ? Absalom Bickiey, SO, Lee's Yard, Narrow Marsh, was accused of stealing a watch, the property of Thos. Took, of Annesley. Remanded until Wednesday.? > Breach op the Peace. ? Michael Lawson and Edwin Hoggswr? charged with having, on the 6th instant, created? > > Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England > > 12 Jan 1854 > NOITINGHAM EPIPHANY SESSIONS > against Absolom Bickley, 31, framework knitter, who was charged with stealing a silver watch from the person of Thomas Tooke, on the 19tb November, in consequence of the? > absence of the prosecutor. His recognisance was not, however, forfeited, the Recorder > > Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England > > 17 May 1855 > Premises.? Absolom Btckley, a man living in Lees's Yard, Narrow Marsh, was committed to the House of Correction for ?? months rogue.....i for having at an early? > hour this morning been found in a private yard under suspicious circumstance*, Commitment > > Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England > > 17 Jan 1856 > Lead.? Absalom Bickley, 33, describing himself a framework-knitter, living in Lee's Yard, Red Lion Street, was brought up on suspicion of having stolen a quantity of? > lead from the Lead Works in Poplar. A county policeman said that about a quarter-past > > Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England > > 19 Feb 1857 > POLICE OFFICE, NOTTINGHAM > named Absalom Bickley, who has several times been convicted by the borough magistrates, was charged with having assaulted police-constables Saywell and Williams.? > On Saturday, the Bth instant there was a great disturbance in Narrow Marsh and the constables > > Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England > > 12 Nov 1857 > Sneinton. ?Absalom Biekey, remanded from Wednesday.' on suspicion of having been concerned in the late daring garrote ? robbery near Snenton Hermitage was to-day? > again brought before the magistrates. Bo evidence had been obtained against him on the charge > > Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England > > 15 Apr 1858 > Absalom Bickley, 15, was charged with stealing a number of figs from the shop of Mr. Cockerell, grocer, Broad Marsh, yesterday. The charge was not pressed, and the? > prisoner was dismissed with a caution. SATURDAY.? (Before the Mayor, J. Braithwaite > > Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England > > 23 Jun 1859 > police intelligence > Yarrow. -Absalom Bickley was charged with Stealing a quantity of yarrow from the garden of Mr. Campbell, Solicitor, In the Park, about three o'clock on the morning? > of Sunday last Mr. Campbell did not appear, and prisoner was dismissed with a caution. ,? > > Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England > > 3 Nov 1859 > Constables.? Absalom Blckley and ?John Bickley were summoned for threatening and using abusive language to Police constables George Dexter and Wm. Birkin, in? > Red Lion Street on the night of the 26th October.? The defence set up was that the constables first > > Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England > > 1 Dec 1859 > police intelligence > Bickley and Absalom Bickley, two brothers, were brought up in custody.? Police- constable Weather bed said he was on duty on Sunday night, a little before? > eleven o'clock, Narrow Marsh, and heard a disturbance in the Travellers' Rest public-house. The landlord > > > Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England > 3 Dec 1861 > Jones, Absalom Eicicley sen., and Absalom Eickley, jun., father and son. were charged by P.c. Knight with being drunk and fighting in NarrowMarsh, at one o'clock on? > Sunday morn- ing.? the officer stated that there was a regular row- prisoners were drunk > > > Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England > 6 Dec 1861 > Absalom Bickley, sen., and Absalom Bickley, jun., father and son, were charged by P.c. Knight with being drunk and fighting in Narrow Marsh, at one o'clock on? > Sunday morn- ?? officer stated that there was a regular row ; prisoners were drunk and > Phipps, Absalom Bickley, and Alfred Brownlow, were brought up in the custody of Detective- sergeant Fisher, charged with night-poaching at Wollaton, on the night of Tuesday last? > ; they being armed with flails, bludgeons, and stones, wherewith one of the > > > Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England > 28 Feb 1862 > and Absalom Bckley, jun., father and son, were charged by Police-constable Ball with tbe following offence :? The officer stated that be and others were sent for to? > quell a disturbance in Lee'a Yard, having heard that prisoners had threatened to stab > > Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England > > 18 Apr 1862 > SNEINTON. Absalom Bickley was placed in the dock on a charge of attempting to steal, on the 4th of April from an iron bridge in the parish of Sneinton, a? > quantity of lead, the property of the Trent Navigation Company.? John Wild deposed to seeing the prisoner > > Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England > > 12 Sep 1862 > Absalom Bickley and Elizabeth Guscoigne were chanced with stealing a pair of trowsers from the shop of Messrs Clarke and Tansley, Hockley, on Thursday? > evening An apprentice deposed to being in the shop The two prisoners came in and asked to be showed > > Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England > > 28 Nov 1862 > assaulting Absalom Bickley at the same time and place. ? Bickley said the defendant, after using abusive language towards him, struck him in the mouth.? > Witness then ran away, and was pursued by Mc'Corv ie, who had drawn his pocket-knife to him. He could not > > > Nottinghamshire Guardian > Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England > 6 Feb 1863 > convicted. Absalom Bickley, the younger, and Absalom Bickley, the ; elder, were charged with assaulting Robert Calton, on the 2nd inst. ? The bench after hearing? > witnesses on either side dismissed the charge, believing it only a public-house brawl. John White > > > Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England > 22 May 1863 > Absalom Bickley was charged with assaulting Ellen Smith and the case being proved he was ordered to find the usual sureties and to pay lie. 6d. expenses.? > Samuel Ellison and George S/iaw was charged with creating a breach of the peace on the St > > Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England > 17 Jul 1863 > Absalom Bickley, 19, trimmer, George Jones, 21, labourer Thomas Parr, 41, lacemaker, and John Green, 22, watchmaker' charged with assaulting and robbing? > William Henry Henson of two shillings and a gold watch, value ?lB, his property, on the 26 th > > Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England > > 21 Aug 1863 > THE WOLLATON PARK POACHING AFFRAY > Wright, Absalom Bickley, Alfred Brownlow, and William Timson, were charged with a game trespass, being armed with weapons, in Wollaton Park, on Tuesday night last,? > and with wounding a gamekeeper named George Birch. Mr. Everall appeared for Phipps, Mr. Briggs > > > Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England > > 11 Dec 1863 > knitter; Absalom Bickley, 40, framework-knitter ; and Benjamin Phipps, 19, gardener? for night poaching at Wollaton. Mary Wray, 2> servant, for the wilful murder of her? > child at Kersall, on the 28th JuU. Rosannah Knight, 17, factory girl, for the wilful > > Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England > > 18 Dec 1863 > NOTTINGHAMSHIRE ASSIZES > labourer, Absalom Bickley, 40, ?? were brought up in custody; and Alfred Brownlow. 34, ?? and Benjamin Phipps, 19, gardener, were indicted for entering certain? > land in the occupation of Mary Bonser, at Wollaton, on the night of the llth of August, 1863 > > Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England > > 24 Nov 1865 > Bull, and Absolom Biddy were charged with an offence under the Game Act, near Wilford, oh the l0th inst -P.c. Walker said on the day named be saw the0? > ai ? a B toe roadnearthe Wflf ord Bridge, women came along > > Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England > > 7 Jun 1867 > Marsh.? Absalom Bich- ley was charged with picking the pocket of David Gibbon , of 45., at the Ten Bells, in Narrow-marsh. Prosecutor, who is a glazier,? > living in Lees-yard, Narrow-marsh, went into the above house and had a can of ale, and there saw pri- > > Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England > > 26 Oct 1866 > McCormic, Absalom Bickley. and Thomas Murphy, were brought up under a warrant charged with creating a breach of the peace, by fighting in Narrow Marsh on the 14th? > inst. Mr. Belk appeared for McCormic, but as the witnesses were not present the prisoners were > > Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England > > 15 Nov 1867 > Saturday, Absalom Beckley, Henry Hickman, John Bonser, James Astill, and William Greensmith, the four former of whom are well-known poachers, were charged under? > the New Game Act with being in possession ef a quantity of rabbits, pegs, &c., the former of which > > Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England > > 3 Dec 1869 > Poaching.? Absolom Birktey and Charles Smith alias George Angrate, were charged with having in their possession instruments for taking game, at Wilford, on the 6th of? > September.? Mr. Cranch appeared for the prisoner. ?Turner met the prisoners, in company with > > Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England > > 27 Nov 1874 > Absalom Brickley stated that the defendants came into the White Lion, and ad- dressing those in the room said they would fight any Englishmen that could be found.? > The plaintiff went cut and was followed by Burke, who struck him on the face several > > > > Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England > 1 Dec 1876 > LINCOLNSHIRE AND NOTTINGHAMSHIRE WINTER ASSIZES > Bingham, Absalom Bickley, and some others, whose names witness could not remember. The prisoner had told him that those men were poachers.? His Lordship asked the? > witness if the statement in his depositions before the magistrates was correct? namely, > > > Nottingham Evening Post Nottinghamshire, England > 6 Nov 1878 > TO-DAY'S POLICE NEWS > Narrow-marsh.?Absolom Bickley was charged with being drunk and obscene and threatening language to P.c. Clarke whilst in the execution of his duty. officer stated that? > he was fetched by defendant's wife to his house in Narrow-marsh, and on going there found defendant > > Nottingham Evening Post Nottinghamshire, England > > 7 Mar 1879 > TO-DAY'S POLICE NEWS > Assault.?Absalom Hickley, residing in Foundry-yard, was charged with assaulting his wife, Sarah, the previous evening. The wife gave evidence to the general bad conduct? > of her husband, and said he ran her out of the house several times on Thursday evenin > > > Nottingham Evening Post Nottinghamshire, England > > 20 Apr 1880 > > TO-DAY'S POLICE NEWS > Beat ng.?'Absalom Bickley was charged under a warrant with assaulting his wife on Saturday last. Complainant said prisoner came home drunk, picked up a knife and the poker,? > aud caused her and the whole of the family to run out of the house. Prisoner who has > > > > Nottingham Evening Post Nottinghamshire, England > 20 Sep 1881 > TO-DAY'S POLICE NEWS > Assaults.?Absolom Bickley was charged under a warrant with having assaulted his wife, the Bth inst. Complainnnt stated that the night in questi' n prisoner came home in? > an intoxicated state, and after threatening her Struck her, and she and the family were > > > > Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England > 23 Sep 1881 > Assaults.? Absolom Bickley was charged under a warrant with having assaulted his wife, on the Bth inst. Complainant stated that on the night in question prisoner came? > home in an intoxicated state, and after threatening her struck her, and she and the family > > > http://www.bradyfamilytree.org/genealogy/getperson.php?personID=I770&tree=BRADY2008 > > > Absolom Bickley > > Absolom Bickley, one of 279 convicts transported on the Racehorse, 19 May 1865 > > Convicted at:Nottingham Assizes > Sentence term:20 years > Ship:Racehorse > Departure date:19th May, 1865 > Arrival date*: 19th January, 1866 > Place of arrivalWestern Australia > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Lance L. Piatt <piattpioneer@wavecable.com> > To: nottsgen@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, September 2, 2013 4:23 PM > Subject: Re: [NTT] Newspaper reports > > > Our local newspaper prints a section "It happened 50 Years ago today", > imagine my surprise to find an article on how my grandmother hired a hit man > to kill my grandfather. > > If you don't want anybody finding out what you did, don't do the deed. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Binns > Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 12:03 AM > To: nottsgen@rootsweb.com ; Nivard Ovington > Subject: [NTT] Newspaper reports > > For once we must disagree Nirvard - and to think I was contemplating copying > newspaper reports on criminal charges such as drunk and disorderly. > > > > I have been searching the Nottingham Evening Post for a planned talk on my > maternal Grandfather and found many worse things about him than being in a > divorce case - which I would share here other than it would make my talk > have less impact for any readers on here who are NFHS members and may be > coming to the October meeting - nice bit of publicity there! > > > > I have also found that my paternal Grandfather had a liking for gold watches > - sadly other people's, and was kicked out by my grandmother for his other > likings - Shipstone's beer and slow horses - if you get my drift. > > > > Life is what it is. Those researching their family history I'm sure would be > glad to find a missing nugget. Other members of these families who you feel > might be offended are most likely not to be reading either this list or 70 > year old copies of The Nottingham Evening Post, which incidentally are > available for public viewing on microfilm at Nottingham Central Library as > well as having been digitised and searchable on quite a few sites. Surely > the family impact of being involved in a divorce would have been at the time > when the Assize court report was originally published, not 70 years later. > > > > Brian Binns > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 6, Issue 197 > ****************************************

Jenny, I found the marriage for you. Emmanuel MARRIOTT age 21, bachelor, profession F.W.K. (frame work knitter), residence at time of marriage, Selston. No fathers name or profession entered. Harriett TURNER, age 22, spinster. No rank or profession shown. Residence at time of marriage, Selston. Father's name and surname, David WALTERS. Rank or profession, Farmer. Groom signed Emmanuel MARRATT; Bride, Harriett TURNER. Witnesses; James WILSON, who signed, and Frances BAXTER who made her mark. I can scan a copy of the register I have and email it to you directly. There is obviously some research to be done to determine if he was a MARRIOTT or MARRATT - perhaps he just couldn't spell. But why is her father's surname different to hers? You will need to check previous censuses. All capitalisation done by me for clarification. Brian Binns -----Original Message----- From: nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jenny Levine Sent: 04 September 2013 01:37 To: nottsgen-l@rootsweb.com Subject: [NTT] Marriage Record Hi everyone, I wonder if there might be someone who can help me access the Nottingham archival records for a marriage at St Helen's, Selston - Jul 12, 1853, for Emmanuel MARRIOTT and Harriett TURNER? Any details available would be very much appreciated. FreeBMD has him indexed as MARRATT Emanuel, Sept Q 1853, Basford by the way. Thanks so much! Jenny Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Further to the stories of our ancestors in the various Newspaper Archives I know I am stating the obvious but due to the oddities of the optical character reading software you have to explore every possible variation of the name . Slightly unusual names really help of course . We have a family connection to the name Bickley .  Not sure we are connected to this one but I kept noticing an Absolom Bickley in the reports .There are actually two of them , senior and junior . Its an unusual name and I kept noticing it in regard to a number of petty crimes in the papers in the mid 1800s . Absolom also appears as Absalom with an "a" in the middle , so I added Bickley to the variations and got a number of results .  Fortunately Absolom is a fairly rare christian name so I just used that as a search term leaving out the surname , isolating it to the Notts area and picked out the following results which I am sure are all one and the same but transcribed wrongly : Buckley Bickiey Btckley Biekey Blckley  Eicicley Bckley  Biddy  Bich- ley  Beckley  Hickley   Birktey I don't have full access and these are just the snippets . There are more than 30 assorted reported crimes below by either Absolom Bickley senior or junior .  One of them got transported in 1865 for 20 years to Australia and seems to have married and had a number of children and died in 1916 over there . That must have been junior as there were still offences being committed after that date by an Absalom up until 1881 .  There is a death for him in 1889 in Nottingham aged 67 which must have been a relief to the police ! Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England 17 Oct 1850 POLICE INTELLIGENCE Trouble. — Absalom Bickley, brother to one of the prisoners tried on Monday at the County Sessions, was charged by Mr. Hillyard, governor of the County Jail at  Nottingham, under the second and third of Victoria, cap. 56, sec. 22, with having thrown tobacco Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England 26 Aug 1852 Disorderly. — Absalom Bickley, 29, framework- knitter. Lee's Yard, was charged by police-constable Barnett with being drunk and disorderly between six and  seven o'clock last night, and using threatening language to the officer by whom he was arrested. He had Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England 6 Oct 1853 police intelligence Felony.— Absolom Buckley, Si, ?? Lees' Yard, Narrow Marsh, was placed before the borough magistrates under the following circumstances:— Police-sergeant Bradley was on  duty in Red Lion Street about half- past nine on Tuesday night, when be was accosted by Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England 24 Nov 1853 Felony. — Absalom Bickiey, SO, Lee's Yard, Narrow Marsh, was accused of stealing a watch, the property of Thos. Took, of Annesley. Remanded until Wednesday.  Breach op the Peace. — Michael Lawson and Edwin Hoggswr« charged with having, on the 6th instant, created  Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England 12 Jan 1854 NOITINGHAM EPIPHANY SESSIONS against Absolom Bickley, 31, framework knitter, who was charged with stealing a silver watch from the person of Thomas Tooke, on the 19tb November, in consequence of the  absence of the prosecutor. His recognisance was not, however, forfeited, the Recorder Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England 17 May 1855 Premises.— Absolom Btckley, a man living in Lees's Yard, Narrow Marsh, was committed to the House of Correction for ?? months rogue.....i for having at an early  hour this morning been found in a private yard under suspicious circumstance*, Commitment Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England 17 Jan 1856 Lead.— Absalom Bickley, 33, describing himself a framework-knitter, living in Lee's Yard, Red Lion Street, was brought up on suspicion of having stolen a quantity of  lead from the Lead Works in Poplar. A county policeman said that about a quarter-past Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England 19 Feb 1857 POLICE OFFICE, NOTTINGHAM named Absalom Bickley, who has several times been convicted by the borough magistrates, was charged with having assaulted police-constables Saywell and Williams.  On Saturday, the Bth instant there was a great disturbance in Narrow Marsh and the constables Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England 12 Nov 1857 Sneinton. —Absalom Biekey, remanded from Wednesday.' on suspicion of having been concerned in the late daring garrote ? robbery near Snenton Hermitage was to-day  again brought before the magistrates. Bo evidence had been obtained against him on the charge Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England 15 Apr 1858 Absalom Bickley, 15, was charged with stealing a number of figs from the shop of Mr. Cockerell, grocer, Broad Marsh, yesterday. The charge was not pressed, and the  prisoner was dismissed with a caution. SATURDAY.— (Before the Mayor, J. Braithwaite Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England 23 Jun 1859 police intelligence Yarrow. -Absalom Bickley was charged with Stealing a quantity of yarrow from the garden of Mr. Campbell, Solicitor, In the Park, about three o'clock on the morning  of Sunday last Mr. Campbell did not appear, and prisoner was dismissed with a caution. ,  Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England 3 Nov 1859 Constables.— Absalom Blckley and  John Bickley were summoned for threatening and using abusive language to Police constables George Dexter and Wm. Birkin, in  Red Lion Street on the night of the 26th October.— The defence set up was that the constables first Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England 1 Dec 1859 police intelligence Bickley and Absalom Bickley, two brothers, were brought up in custody.— Police- constable Weather bed said he was on duty on Sunday night, a little before  eleven o'clock, Narrow Marsh, and heard a disturbance in the Travellers' Rest public-house. The landlord Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England 3 Dec 1861 Jones, Absalom Eicicley sen., and Absalom Eickley, jun., father and son. were charged by P.c. Knight with being drunk and fighting in NarrowMarsh, at one o'clock on  Sunday morn- ing.— the officer stated that there was a regular row- prisoners were drunk Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England 6 Dec 1861 Absalom Bickley, sen., and Absalom Bickley, jun., father and son, were charged by P.c. Knight with being drunk and fighting in Narrow Marsh, at one o'clock on  Sunday morn- ?? officer stated that there was a regular row ; prisoners were drunk and Phipps, Absalom Bickley, and Alfred Brownlow, were brought up in the custody of Detective- sergeant Fisher, charged with night-poaching at Wollaton, on the night of Tuesday last  ; they being armed with flails, bludgeons, and stones, wherewith one of the Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England 28 Feb 1862 and Absalom Bckley, jun., father and son, were charged by Police-constable Ball with tbe following offence :— The officer stated that be and others were sent for to  quell a disturbance in Lee'a Yard, having heard that prisoners had threatened to stab Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England 18 Apr 1862 SNEINTON. Absalom Bickley was placed in the dock on a charge of attempting to steal, on the 4th of April from an iron bridge in the parish of Sneinton, a  quantity of lead, the property of the Trent Navigation Company.— John Wild deposed to seeing the prisoner Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England 12 Sep 1862 Absalom Bickley and Elizabeth Guscoigne were chanced with stealing a pair of trowsers from the shop of Messrs Clarke and Tansley, Hockley, on Thursday  evening An apprentice deposed to being in the shop The two prisoners came in and asked to be showed Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England 28 Nov 1862 assaulting Absalom Bickley at the same time and place. — Bickley said the defendant, after using abusive language towards him, struck him in the mouth.  Witness then ran away, and was pursued by Mc'Corv ie, who had drawn his pocket-knife to him. He could not Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England 6 Feb 1863 convicted. Absalom Bickley, the younger, and Absalom Bickley, the ; elder, were charged with assaulting Robert Calton, on the 2nd inst. — The bench after hearing  witnesses on either side dismissed the charge, believing it only a public-house brawl. John White Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England 22 May 1863 Absalom Bickley was charged with assaulting Ellen Smith and the case being proved he was ordered to find the usual sureties and to pay lie. 6d. expenses.  Samuel Ellison and George S/iaw was charged with creating a breach of the peace on the St Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England 17 Jul 1863 Absalom Bickley, 19, trimmer, George Jones, 21, labourer Thomas Parr, 41, lacemaker, and John Green, 22, watchmaker' charged with assaulting and robbing  William Henry Henson of two shillings and a gold watch, value £lB, his property, on the 26 th Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England 21 Aug 1863 THE WOLLATON PARK POACHING AFFRAY Wright, Absalom Bickley, Alfred Brownlow, and William Timson, were charged with a game trespass, being armed with weapons, in Wollaton Park, on Tuesday night last,  and with wounding a gamekeeper named George Birch. Mr. Everall appeared for Phipps, Mr. Briggs Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England 11 Dec 1863 knitter; Absalom Bickley, 40, framework-knitter ; and Benjamin Phipps, 19, gardener— for night poaching at Wollaton. Mary Wray, 2> servant, for the wilful murder of her  child at Kersall, on the 28th JuU. Rosannah Knight, 17, factory girl, for the wilful Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England 18 Dec 1863 NOTTINGHAMSHIRE ASSIZES labourer, Absalom Bickley, 40, ?? were brought up in custody; and Alfred Brownlow. 34, ?? and Benjamin Phipps, 19, gardener, were indicted for entering certain  land in the occupation of Mary Bonser, at Wollaton, on the night of the llth of August, 1863 Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England 24 Nov 1865 Bull, and Absolom Biddy were charged with an offence under the Game Act, near Wilford, oh the l0th inst -P.c. Walker said on the day named be saw the0  ai ? a B toe roadnearthe Wflf ord Bridge, women came along Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England 7 Jun 1867 Marsh.— Absalom Bich- ley was charged with picking the pocket of David Gibbon , of 45., at the Ten Bells, in Narrow-marsh. Prosecutor, who is a glazier,  living in Lees-yard, Narrow-marsh, went into the above house and had a can of ale, and there saw pri- Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England 26 Oct 1866 McCormic, Absalom Bickley. and Thomas Murphy, were brought up under a warrant charged with creating a breach of the peace, by fighting in Narrow Marsh on the 14th  inst. Mr. Belk appeared for McCormic, but as the witnesses were not present the prisoners were Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England 15 Nov 1867 Saturday, Absalom Beckley, Henry Hickman, John Bonser, James Astill, and William Greensmith, the four former of whom are well-known poachers, were charged under  the New Game Act with being in possession ef a quantity of rabbits, pegs, &c., the former of which Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England 3 Dec 1869 Poaching.— Absolom Birktey and Charles Smith alias George Angrate, were charged with having in their possession instruments for taking game, at Wilford, on the 6th of  September.— Mr. Cranch appeared for the prisoner.  Turner met the prisoners, in company with Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England 27 Nov 1874 Absalom Brickley stated that the defendants came into the White Lion, and ad- dressing those in the room said they would fight any Englishmen that could be found.  The plaintiff went cut and was followed by Burke, who struck him on the face several Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England 1 Dec 1876 LINCOLNSHIRE AND NOTTINGHAMSHIRE WINTER ASSIZES Bingham, Absalom Bickley, and some others, whose names witness could not remember. The prisoner had told him that those men were poachers.— His Lordship asked the  witness if the statement in his depositions before the magistrates was correct— namely, Nottingham Evening Post Nottinghamshire, England 6 Nov 1878 TO-DAY'S POLICE NEWS Narrow-marsh.—Absolom Bickley was charged with being drunk and obscene and threatening language to P.c. Clarke whilst in the execution of his duty. officer stated that  he was fetched by defendant's wife to his house in Narrow-marsh, and on going there found defendant Nottingham Evening Post Nottinghamshire, England 7 Mar 1879 TO-DAY'S POLICE NEWS Assault.—Absalom Hickley, residing in Foundry-yard, was charged with assaulting his wife, Sarah, the previous evening. The wife gave evidence to the general bad conduct  of her husband, and said he ran her out of the house several times on Thursday evenin Nottingham Evening Post Nottinghamshire, England 20 Apr 1880 TO-DAY'S POLICE NEWS Beat ng.—'Absalom Bickley was charged under a warrant with assaulting his wife on Saturday last. Complainant said prisoner came home drunk, picked up a knife and the poker,  aud caused her and the whole of the family to run out of the house. Prisoner who has Nottingham Evening Post Nottinghamshire, England 20 Sep 1881 TO-DAY'S POLICE NEWS Assaults.—Absolom Bickley was charged under a warrant with having assaulted his wife, the Bth inst. Complainnnt stated that the night in questi' n prisoner came home in  an intoxicated state, and after threatening her Struck her, and she and the family were Nottinghamshire Guardian Nottinghamshire, England 23 Sep 1881 Assaults.— Absolom Bickley was charged under a warrant with having assaulted his wife, on the Bth inst. Complainant stated that on the night in question prisoner came  home in an intoxicated state, and after threatening her struck her, and she and the family http://www.bradyfamilytree.org/genealogy/getperson.php?personID=I770&tree=BRADY2008 Absolom Bickley Absolom Bickley, one of 279 convicts transported on the Racehorse, 19 May 1865 Convicted at:Nottingham Assizes Sentence term:20 years Ship:Racehorse Departure date:19th May, 1865 Arrival date*: 19th January, 1866 Place of arrivalWestern Australia ________________________________ From: Lance L. Piatt <piattpioneer@wavecable.com> To: nottsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, September 2, 2013 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [NTT] Newspaper reports Our local newspaper prints a section "It happened 50 Years ago today", imagine my surprise to find an article on how my grandmother hired a hit man to kill my grandfather. If you don't want anybody finding out what you did, don't do the deed. -----Original Message----- From: Brian Binns Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 12:03 AM To: nottsgen@rootsweb.com ; Nivard Ovington Subject: [NTT] Newspaper reports For once we must disagree Nirvard - and to think I was contemplating copying newspaper reports on criminal charges such as drunk and disorderly. I have been searching the Nottingham Evening Post for a planned talk on my maternal Grandfather and found many worse things about him than being in a divorce case - which I would share here other than it would make my talk have less impact for any readers on here who are NFHS members and may be coming to the October meeting - nice bit of publicity there! I have also found that my paternal Grandfather had a liking for gold watches - sadly other people's, and was kicked out by my grandmother for his other likings - Shipstone's beer and slow horses - if you get my drift. Life is what it is. Those researching their family history I'm sure would be glad to find a missing nugget. Other members of these families who you feel might be offended are most likely not to be reading either this list or 70 year old copies of The Nottingham Evening Post, which incidentally are available for public viewing on microfilm at Nottingham Central Library as well as having been digitised and searchable on quite a few sites. Surely the family impact of being involved in a divorce would have been at the time when the Assize court report was originally published, not 70 years later. Brian Binns Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think I went to school with most of 'em ;-) Tony Proctor ----- Original Message ----- From: <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> To: <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [NTT] Divorces > From: "Brian Binns" <bnbinns@gmail.com> > >> Tony, >> >> I asked the very same question but there's no restriction. And I totally >> agree >> with you that a 100 year rule on school records is just plain daft >> (famous >> Nottingham surname by the way - Daft). >> Someone entering school 100 years ago would now be 105!! >> >> Brian >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Tony Proctor [mailto:tony@proctor.net] >> Sent: 04 September 2013 10:36 >> To: Brian Binns; 'Robert Burns'; nottsgen@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [NTT] Divorces >> >> How open would these records be? I was in the Archive yesterday and never >> bothered to ask about this particular source of information. There was a >> sign >> up in reception indicating that school records were now under a 100-year >> restriction - which I consider to be plain daft - so why would I expect >> divorce details to be any more accessible?> > > I would imagine some daft bureaucrat has taken it up himself/herself to > introduce this ruling without discussing it with anyone. There seems to be > some > kind of vague idea that records should be closed for 100 years - a totally > arbitrary and ridiculous period - which is nonsense when even the files of > MI5 > and the Cabinet are now being revealed within 30 years. > > Were I in Nottinghamshire (which I am not) and a user of the archives I > would > definitely challenge this ruling and demand a full explanation of why it > has > been introduced. I respectfully suggest Notts family historians should > kick up > a fuss about it! Unfortunately, we too often seem to meekly accept these > arbitrary decisions of idiot bureaucrats. > > BTW, I looked up DAFT with the British Surname Atlas CD (which draws > surname > distribution maps from the 1881 census data) and Brian is quite right! > There > were 733 occurrences of the name nationally and Nottinghamshire is quite > definitely no. 1. There were 257 Dafts in the county in 1881, while the > next > nearest number were in Leicestershire (96) followed by Lincolnshire (84) > and > Warwickshire (54). Obviously, some of the Notts Dafts escaped across the > borders into neighbouring counties! When switching to Poor Law Unions, the > highest number of DAFTs were in Nottingham itself (156). Yorkshire had > only 38 > Daft people in the entire county! > > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

From: "Brian Binns" <bnbinns@gmail.com> > Tony, > > I asked the very same question but there's no restriction. And I totally agree > with you that a 100 year rule on school records is just plain daft (famous > Nottingham surname by the way - Daft). > Someone entering school 100 years ago would now be 105!! > > Brian > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Proctor [mailto:tony@proctor.net] > Sent: 04 September 2013 10:36 > To: Brian Binns; 'Robert Burns'; nottsgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NTT] Divorces > > How open would these records be? I was in the Archive yesterday and never > bothered to ask about this particular source of information. There was a sign > up in reception indicating that school records were now under a 100-year > restriction - which I consider to be plain daft - so why would I expect > divorce details to be any more accessible?> I would imagine some daft bureaucrat has taken it up himself/herself to introduce this ruling without discussing it with anyone. There seems to be some kind of vague idea that records should be closed for 100 years - a totally arbitrary and ridiculous period - which is nonsense when even the files of MI5 and the Cabinet are now being revealed within 30 years. Were I in Nottinghamshire (which I am not) and a user of the archives I would definitely challenge this ruling and demand a full explanation of why it has been introduced. I respectfully suggest Notts family historians should kick up a fuss about it! Unfortunately, we too often seem to meekly accept these arbitrary decisions of idiot bureaucrats. BTW, I looked up DAFT with the British Surname Atlas CD (which draws surname distribution maps from the 1881 census data) and Brian is quite right! There were 733 occurrences of the name nationally and Nottinghamshire is quite definitely no. 1. There were 257 Dafts in the county in 1881, while the next nearest number were in Leicestershire (96) followed by Lincolnshire (84) and Warwickshire (54). Obviously, some of the Notts Dafts escaped across the borders into neighbouring counties! When switching to Poor Law Unions, the highest number of DAFTs were in Nottingham itself (156). Yorkshire had only 38 Daft people in the entire county! -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

The sign did say but I didn't take a note Robert. Even the lady on reception was apologetic over it. Tony Proctor ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Burns To: tony@proctor.net ; bnbinns@gmail.com ; nottsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [NTT] Divorces Tony, Divorce absolutes are a matter of public record and therefore not covered by any disclosure restrictions. I have obtained copies of divorce absolutes from less than 2 years previous. School records on the other hand are in fact private records and whilst I feel 100 years closure is diabolical I agree some form of closure is required. I would be interested to know who has decided on this closure rule and whether this is a country wide closure or one set up by the Notts Archives Rob -----Original Message----- From: Tony Proctor <tony@proctor.net> To: Brian Binns <bnbinns@gmail.com>; 'Robert Burns' <famh1story@aol.com>; nottsgen <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Sep 4, 2013 10:35 am Subject: Re: [NTT] Divorces How open would these records be? I was in the Archive yesterday and never bothered to ask about this particular source of information. There was a sign up in reception indicating that school records were now under a 100-year restriction - which I consider to be plain daft - so why would I expect divorce details to be any more accessible? Tony Proctor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Binns" <bnbinns@gmail.com> To: "'Robert Burns'" <famh1story@aol.com>; <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [NTT] Divorces >I have just found out from Notts Archives that they have copies of divorce >cases up to the early 1950s, so I’m off there today to search. > > > > Brian > > > > From: Robert Burns [mailto:famh1story@aol.com] > Sent: 04 September 2013 10:23 > To: bnbinns@gmail.com; nottsgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NTT] Divorces > > > > Brian, > > > > If you receive benefits you can get a 10 year search carried about by HMCS > for the divorce absolute. The address is the same as that for wills in > Holborn London. If you do not receive benefits then its £60. I also know > that local county courts will do the same 10 years search for £45 and > again free if on benefits > > > > Rob > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Binns <bnbinns@gmail.com> > To: nottsgen <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wed, Sep 4, 2013 9:33 am > Subject: [NTT] Divorces > > My mother's elder brother was divorced in the late 1940s/early 1950s but > it > was never spoken about. I can just about recall his wife - my aunt - but I > was quite young at the time. My mother never had any photos of the > wedding - > perhaps that should say she never kept any! My uncle suffered from a form > of > Parkinson's and I always think of him as living with my grandmother as a > single person - which he certainly did after my grandfather died in 1954. > > I am researching the life of my grandfather, who worked for himself and > did > so many different things to earn a living. Marriage certificates of his c > children are therefore useful as they give the father's occupation and > help > in me piecing together my grandfather's story. This particular uncle was > the > only one of four whose marriage details I didn't have. > > I found the quarter my uncle was married from the GRO, which was in 1943, > and could have just sent for the certificate, but nowadays I am trying to > cut back on unnecessary spending. From the GRO I also had his wife's > maiden > name and traced her birth, also by the GRO, and thereby found her parents. > I > found them on the 1911 census and established which part of Nottingham > they > were living in - Sneinton. All this done at home online. > > Making the assumption that the parents had remained in that specific area > of > Nottingham I went to Notts Archives to search church registers, hoping > against hope that it hadn't been a register office wedding. Fortunately I > found them in the third church I checked - St Matthias. Bingo! > > My grandfather ran a summer business on the Lincolnshire coast and the > family worked there in summer, returning to Nottingham for the winter. My > grandmother, this uncle, another uncle and my aunt moved there after my > grandfather's death and all my cousins from this side now live there. From > one of them I knew that my uncle's ex-wife had remarried and also settled > in > this same village - now wouldn't that have been odd with my uncle keep > bumping into his ex? So armed with the place and her husband's surname it > was easy to find my aunt's second marriage - which turned out to be 1953. > > I now wanted to narrow down the time frame for the divorce, so I searched > the electoral rolls in Notts Archives hoping I could find my uncle and his > wife, which turned out to be quite easy as they were living with my > grandparents right up to 1950. However in 1951 my aunt was living with her > parents, so at least I have a rough date of when they split up. Just to > finish this story I want to find their divorce. Sadly the Nottingham > Evening > Post has not yet been digitised and searchable beyond 1950, so reports > from > the Assizes like I recently posted will not be a source. > > I only pass this little tale on to show what can be found out from various > sources to paint a picture. As many more experienced researchers than I > have > pointed out, it is putting together all the pieces of the jigsaw in a > logical manner. It takes time - in this incidence it didn't actually take > that long - but it's worth it. However I do appreciate that I am fortunate > to have the time and the access to Notts Archives. > > Now how to find that divorce? > > > > Brian Binns > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tony, I asked the very same question but there's no restriction. And I totally agree with you that a 100 year rule on school records is just plain daft (famous Nottingham surname by the way - Daft). Someone entering school 100 years ago would now be 105!! Brian -----Original Message----- From: Tony Proctor [mailto:tony@proctor.net] Sent: 04 September 2013 10:36 To: Brian Binns; 'Robert Burns'; nottsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NTT] Divorces How open would these records be? I was in the Archive yesterday and never bothered to ask about this particular source of information. There was a sign up in reception indicating that school records were now under a 100-year restriction - which I consider to be plain daft - so why would I expect divorce details to be any more accessible? Tony Proctor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Binns" <bnbinns@gmail.com> To: "'Robert Burns'" <famh1story@aol.com>; <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [NTT] Divorces >I have just found out from Notts Archives that they have copies of divorce >cases up to the early 1950s, so I’m off there today to search. > > > > Brian > > > > From: Robert Burns [mailto:famh1story@aol.com] > Sent: 04 September 2013 10:23 > To: bnbinns@gmail.com; nottsgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NTT] Divorces > > > > Brian, > > > > If you receive benefits you can get a 10 year search carried about by HMCS > for the divorce absolute. The address is the same as that for wills in > Holborn London. If you do not receive benefits then its £60. I also know > that local county courts will do the same 10 years search for £45 and > again free if on benefits > > > > Rob > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Binns <bnbinns@gmail.com> > To: nottsgen <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wed, Sep 4, 2013 9:33 am > Subject: [NTT] Divorces > > My mother's elder brother was divorced in the late 1940s/early 1950s but > it > was never spoken about. I can just about recall his wife - my aunt - but I > was quite young at the time. My mother never had any photos of the > wedding - > perhaps that should say she never kept any! My uncle suffered from a form > of > Parkinson's and I always think of him as living with my grandmother as a > single person - which he certainly did after my grandfather died in 1954. > > I am researching the life of my grandfather, who worked for himself and > did > so many different things to earn a living. Marriage certificates of his c > children are therefore useful as they give the father's occupation and > help > in me piecing together my grandfather's story. This particular uncle was > the > only one of four whose marriage details I didn't have. > > I found the quarter my uncle was married from the GRO, which was in 1943, > and could have just sent for the certificate, but nowadays I am trying to > cut back on unnecessary spending. From the GRO I also had his wife's > maiden > name and traced her birth, also by the GRO, and thereby found her parents. > I > found them on the 1911 census and established which part of Nottingham > they > were living in - Sneinton. All this done at home online. > > Making the assumption that the parents had remained in that specific area > of > Nottingham I went to Notts Archives to search church registers, hoping > against hope that it hadn't been a register office wedding. Fortunately I > found them in the third church I checked - St Matthias. Bingo! > > My grandfather ran a summer business on the Lincolnshire coast and the > family worked there in summer, returning to Nottingham for the winter. My > grandmother, this uncle, another uncle and my aunt moved there after my > grandfather's death and all my cousins from this side now live there. From > one of them I knew that my uncle's ex-wife had remarried and also settled > in > this same village - now wouldn't that have been odd with my uncle keep > bumping into his ex? So armed with the place and her husband's surname it > was easy to find my aunt's second marriage - which turned out to be 1953. > > I now wanted to narrow down the time frame for the divorce, so I searched > the electoral rolls in Notts Archives hoping I could find my uncle and his > wife, which turned out to be quite easy as they were living with my > grandparents right up to 1950. However in 1951 my aunt was living with her > parents, so at least I have a rough date of when they split up. Just to > finish this story I want to find their divorce. Sadly the Nottingham > Evening > Post has not yet been digitised and searchable beyond 1950, so reports > from > the Assizes like I recently posted will not be a source. > > I only pass this little tale on to show what can be found out from various > sources to paint a picture. As many more experienced researchers than I > have > pointed out, it is putting together all the pieces of the jigsaw in a > logical manner. It takes time - in this incidence it didn't actually take > that long - but it's worth it. However I do appreciate that I am fortunate > to have the time and the access to Notts Archives. > > Now how to find that divorce? > > > > Brian Binns > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

How open would these records be? I was in the Archive yesterday and never bothered to ask about this particular source of information. There was a sign up in reception indicating that school records were now under a 100-year restriction - which I consider to be plain daft - so why would I expect divorce details to be any more accessible? Tony Proctor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Binns" <bnbinns@gmail.com> To: "'Robert Burns'" <famh1story@aol.com>; <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [NTT] Divorces >I have just found out from Notts Archives that they have copies of divorce >cases up to the early 1950s, so I’m off there today to search. > > > > Brian > > > > From: Robert Burns [mailto:famh1story@aol.com] > Sent: 04 September 2013 10:23 > To: bnbinns@gmail.com; nottsgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NTT] Divorces > > > > Brian, > > > > If you receive benefits you can get a 10 year search carried about by HMCS > for the divorce absolute. The address is the same as that for wills in > Holborn London. If you do not receive benefits then its £60. I also know > that local county courts will do the same 10 years search for £45 and > again free if on benefits > > > > Rob > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Binns <bnbinns@gmail.com> > To: nottsgen <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wed, Sep 4, 2013 9:33 am > Subject: [NTT] Divorces > > My mother's elder brother was divorced in the late 1940s/early 1950s but > it > was never spoken about. I can just about recall his wife - my aunt - but I > was quite young at the time. My mother never had any photos of the > wedding - > perhaps that should say she never kept any! My uncle suffered from a form > of > Parkinson's and I always think of him as living with my grandmother as a > single person - which he certainly did after my grandfather died in 1954. > > I am researching the life of my grandfather, who worked for himself and > did > so many different things to earn a living. Marriage certificates of his c > children are therefore useful as they give the father's occupation and > help > in me piecing together my grandfather's story. This particular uncle was > the > only one of four whose marriage details I didn't have. > > I found the quarter my uncle was married from the GRO, which was in 1943, > and could have just sent for the certificate, but nowadays I am trying to > cut back on unnecessary spending. From the GRO I also had his wife's > maiden > name and traced her birth, also by the GRO, and thereby found her parents. > I > found them on the 1911 census and established which part of Nottingham > they > were living in - Sneinton. All this done at home online. > > Making the assumption that the parents had remained in that specific area > of > Nottingham I went to Notts Archives to search church registers, hoping > against hope that it hadn't been a register office wedding. Fortunately I > found them in the third church I checked - St Matthias. Bingo! > > My grandfather ran a summer business on the Lincolnshire coast and the > family worked there in summer, returning to Nottingham for the winter. My > grandmother, this uncle, another uncle and my aunt moved there after my > grandfather's death and all my cousins from this side now live there. From > one of them I knew that my uncle's ex-wife had remarried and also settled > in > this same village - now wouldn't that have been odd with my uncle keep > bumping into his ex? So armed with the place and her husband's surname it > was easy to find my aunt's second marriage - which turned out to be 1953. > > I now wanted to narrow down the time frame for the divorce, so I searched > the electoral rolls in Notts Archives hoping I could find my uncle and his > wife, which turned out to be quite easy as they were living with my > grandparents right up to 1950. However in 1951 my aunt was living with her > parents, so at least I have a rough date of when they split up. Just to > finish this story I want to find their divorce. Sadly the Nottingham > Evening > Post has not yet been digitised and searchable beyond 1950, so reports > from > the Assizes like I recently posted will not be a source. > > I only pass this little tale on to show what can be found out from various > sources to paint a picture. As many more experienced researchers than I > have > pointed out, it is putting together all the pieces of the jigsaw in a > logical manner. It takes time - in this incidence it didn't actually take > that long - but it's worth it. However I do appreciate that I am fortunate > to have the time and the access to Notts Archives. > > Now how to find that divorce? > > > > Brian Binns > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have just found out from Notts Archives that they have copies of divorce cases up to the early 1950s, so I’m off there today to search. Brian From: Robert Burns [mailto:famh1story@aol.com] Sent: 04 September 2013 10:23 To: bnbinns@gmail.com; nottsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NTT] Divorces Brian, If you receive benefits you can get a 10 year search carried about by HMCS for the divorce absolute. The address is the same as that for wills in Holborn London. If you do not receive benefits then its £60. I also know that local county courts will do the same 10 years search for £45 and again free if on benefits Rob -----Original Message----- From: Brian Binns <bnbinns@gmail.com> To: nottsgen <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Sep 4, 2013 9:33 am Subject: [NTT] Divorces My mother's elder brother was divorced in the late 1940s/early 1950s but it was never spoken about. I can just about recall his wife - my aunt - but I was quite young at the time. My mother never had any photos of the wedding - perhaps that should say she never kept any! My uncle suffered from a form of Parkinson's and I always think of him as living with my grandmother as a single person - which he certainly did after my grandfather died in 1954. I am researching the life of my grandfather, who worked for himself and did so many different things to earn a living. Marriage certificates of his c children are therefore useful as they give the father's occupation and help in me piecing together my grandfather's story. This particular uncle was the only one of four whose marriage details I didn't have. I found the quarter my uncle was married from the GRO, which was in 1943, and could have just sent for the certificate, but nowadays I am trying to cut back on unnecessary spending. From the GRO I also had his wife's maiden name and traced her birth, also by the GRO, and thereby found her parents. I found them on the 1911 census and established which part of Nottingham they were living in - Sneinton. All this done at home online. Making the assumption that the parents had remained in that specific area of Nottingham I went to Notts Archives to search church registers, hoping against hope that it hadn't been a register office wedding. Fortunately I found them in the third church I checked - St Matthias. Bingo! My grandfather ran a summer business on the Lincolnshire coast and the family worked there in summer, returning to Nottingham for the winter. My grandmother, this uncle, another uncle and my aunt moved there after my grandfather's death and all my cousins from this side now live there. From one of them I knew that my uncle's ex-wife had remarried and also settled in this same village - now wouldn't that have been odd with my uncle keep bumping into his ex? So armed with the place and her husband's surname it was easy to find my aunt's second marriage - which turned out to be 1953. I now wanted to narrow down the time frame for the divorce, so I searched the electoral rolls in Notts Archives hoping I could find my uncle and his wife, which turned out to be quite easy as they were living with my grandparents right up to 1950. However in 1951 my aunt was living with her parents, so at least I have a rough date of when they split up. Just to finish this story I want to find their divorce. Sadly the Nottingham Evening Post has not yet been digitised and searchable beyond 1950, so reports from the Assizes like I recently posted will not be a source. I only pass this little tale on to show what can be found out from various sources to paint a picture. As many more experienced researchers than I have pointed out, it is putting together all the pieces of the jigsaw in a logical manner. It takes time - in this incidence it didn't actually take that long - but it's worth it. However I do appreciate that I am fortunate to have the time and the access to Notts Archives. Now how to find that divorce? Brian Binns Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My mother's elder brother was divorced in the late 1940s/early 1950s but it was never spoken about. I can just about recall his wife - my aunt - but I was quite young at the time. My mother never had any photos of the wedding - perhaps that should say she never kept any! My uncle suffered from a form of Parkinson's and I always think of him as living with my grandmother as a single person - which he certainly did after my grandfather died in 1954. I am researching the life of my grandfather, who worked for himself and did so many different things to earn a living. Marriage certificates of his c children are therefore useful as they give the father's occupation and help in me piecing together my grandfather's story. This particular uncle was the only one of four whose marriage details I didn't have. I found the quarter my uncle was married from the GRO, which was in 1943, and could have just sent for the certificate, but nowadays I am trying to cut back on unnecessary spending. From the GRO I also had his wife's maiden name and traced her birth, also by the GRO, and thereby found her parents. I found them on the 1911 census and established which part of Nottingham they were living in - Sneinton. All this done at home online. Making the assumption that the parents had remained in that specific area of Nottingham I went to Notts Archives to search church registers, hoping against hope that it hadn't been a register office wedding. Fortunately I found them in the third church I checked - St Matthias. Bingo! My grandfather ran a summer business on the Lincolnshire coast and the family worked there in summer, returning to Nottingham for the winter. My grandmother, this uncle, another uncle and my aunt moved there after my grandfather's death and all my cousins from this side now live there. From one of them I knew that my uncle's ex-wife had remarried and also settled in this same village - now wouldn't that have been odd with my uncle keep bumping into his ex? So armed with the place and her husband's surname it was easy to find my aunt's second marriage - which turned out to be 1953. I now wanted to narrow down the time frame for the divorce, so I searched the electoral rolls in Notts Archives hoping I could find my uncle and his wife, which turned out to be quite easy as they were living with my grandparents right up to 1950. However in 1951 my aunt was living with her parents, so at least I have a rough date of when they split up. Just to finish this story I want to find their divorce. Sadly the Nottingham Evening Post has not yet been digitised and searchable beyond 1950, so reports from the Assizes like I recently posted will not be a source. I only pass this little tale on to show what can be found out from various sources to paint a picture. As many more experienced researchers than I have pointed out, it is putting together all the pieces of the jigsaw in a logical manner. It takes time - in this incidence it didn't actually take that long - but it's worth it. However I do appreciate that I am fortunate to have the time and the access to Notts Archives. Now how to find that divorce? Brian Binns

>From the NottsFHS transcripts (not the original docs) Emanuel MARRIOTT married Harriett TURNER on 12th July 1853 at SELSTON St Helen Tony Proctor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Levine" <jipl19@live.ca> To: <nottsgen-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 1:36 AM Subject: [NTT] Marriage Record > Hi everyone, > > I wonder if there might be someone who can help me access the Nottingham > archival records for a marriage at St Helen's, Selston - Jul 12, 1853, > for Emmanuel MARRIOTT and Harriett TURNER? Any details available would be > very much appreciated. > > FreeBMD has him indexed as MARRATT Emanuel, Sept Q 1853, Basford by the > way. > > Thanks so much! > Jenny > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message