Hi Carol ,  Not being much of a drinker and now being some 300 miles away , I am not 100% certain about all the pubs names .  Are you sure it was called the Roebuck ?  There used to be a Roebucks pub on Mansfield Road , that went through a few name changes , eventually to become Bobby Browns .  Just to add to the confusion there is now a newish Roebucks pub in St. James street in the City that is part of the Wetherspoons chain . I'm not entirely sure where Hyde Terrace was but there is a closed down pub called The White Lion on Carlton Rd that is under plans to become a block of flats . http://stonebridgeregeneration.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/st-anns-pub-to-be-transformed-into-flats.html There is also this picture of the demolition of your old street here : http://www.picturethepast.org.uk/old/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;NTGM013996&pos=136&action=zoom&id=65442 David ________________________________ From: "CAROLEBELL48@aol.com" <CAROLEBELL48@aol.com> To: nottsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [NTT] NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 6, Issue 200 Interesting web site Brian. But I am wondering why the Roebuck pub on  Carlton Road is not mentioned and if anyone else can remember it. The pub, just  around the corner from where I lived in Hyde Terrace, Lowdham Street, was a favourite haunt of my parents and grandparents, my father was not a drinker  but would accompany them. I remember being bored and belligerent standing in  it's back gardens, if you could call them that, on many occasions. A few years ago my cousin gave me an old Nottingham Post copy of a "My  Past" or something like that, with a picture of the Roebuck in it with the  caption "does anyone know what this pub's name was". Carole Bell In a message dated 9/5/2013 5:35:41 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  nottsgen-request@rootsweb.com writes: Today's Topics: 1. Re: Marriage Record  (Brian Binns) 2. Another Notts pub goes (Brian  Binns) 3. Re: Another Notts pub goes (Tony  Proctor) 4. Re: Another Notts pub goes (Brian  Binns) 5. Basford Cemetery (B & L Howarth) 6. Re: Basford Cemetery (Peter  R Booth) 7. Re: Basford  Cemetery (Mike Fry) 8. Achives closure of School admission  records (Rob  Burns) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message:  1 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 08:21:14 +0100 From: "Brian Binns"  <bnbinns@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [NTT] Marriage Record To: "'Jenny  Levine'" <jipl19@live.ca>,  <nottsgen-l@rootsweb.com> Message-ID:  <004c01ceaa08$81c36690$854a33b0$@gmail.com> Content-Type:  text/plain;    charset="us-ascii" Jenny has kindly thanked me  via a direct email, but just to put further information to a wider  audience. Emmanuel and Harriett were living in Shirland, Derbyshire in  later censuses, which Jenny had found, and the surname is MARRIOTT, so it  was just a case of Emmanuel not being able to spell his own name correctly.  Not too bad really when very many at that time couldn't even write.  Emmanuel MARROITT was born in Farnsfield, Notts. Harriett was living  with her grandparents on the 1851 census in South Wingfield, Derbyshire,  and was born in Wessington, Derbyshire. Both villages are roughly between  Matlock and Alfreton. Selston is just on the Nottinghamshire side of the  border with Derbyshire, so not too far away. I have found a possibility for  her on the 1841 census as a female servant in Chesterfield with the rounded  up age of 15. There is a David WALTERS, farmer, on the 1851 census, living  in Stonebroom, Derbys, which is not far away from Wessington, where  Harriett was born. Could this be the mysterious "father"? Jenny will  now have to switch her requests to the Derbyshire, Rootsweb list. WALTERS  is one of those surnames that gets regularly mis-transcribed, so always  look for WATTERS, WOTTERS, WATERS and other variations. Brian  Binns -----Original Message----- From: Brian Binns  [mailto:bnbinns@gmail.com] Sent: 04 September 2013 15:22 To: 'Jenny  Levine'; nottsgen-l@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [NTT] Marriage  Record Jenny, I found the marriage for you. Emmanuel  MARRIOTT age 21, bachelor, profession F.W.K. (frame work  knitter), residence at time of marriage, Selston. No fathers name or  profession entered. Harriett TURNER, age 22, spinster. No rank or  profession shown. Residence at time of marriage, Selston. Father's name and  surname, David WALTERS. Rank or profession, Farmer. Groom signed  Emmanuel MARRATT; Bride, Harriett TURNER. Witnesses; James WILSON, who  signed,  and Frances BAXTER who made her mark. I can scan a copy  of the register I have and email it to you directly. There is obviously  some research to be done to determine if he was a MARRIOTT or MARRATT -  perhaps he just couldn't spell. But why is her father's surname different  to hers? You will need to check previous censuses. All capitalisation  done by me for clarification. Brian Binns -----Original  Message----- From: nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com  [mailto:nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jenny Levine Sent:  04 September 2013 01:37 To: nottsgen-l@rootsweb.com Subject: [NTT]  Marriage Record Hi everyone, I wonder if there might be someone  who can help me access the Nottingham archival records for a marriage at St  Helen's, Selston - Jul 12, 1853, for Emmanuel MARRIOTT and Harriett TURNER?  Any details available would be very much appreciated. FreeBMD has  him indexed as MARRATT  Emanuel, Sept Q 1853, Basford by the way.  Thanks so much! Jenny              Notts Surname  List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To  unsubscribe from the list, please send an email  to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the  quotes in the subject and the body of the  message ------------------------------ Message:  2 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 10:47:02 +0100 From: "Brian Binns"  <bnbinns@gmail.com> Subject: [NTT] Another Notts pub goes To:  <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> Message-ID:  <006301ceaa1c$e070ad10$a1520730$@gmail.com> Content-Type:  text/plain;    charset="us-ascii" We are losing pubs almost  every week, and I have posted details on here of some that I have noticed  that have gone. OK, most of the ones that have gone were not ancient pubs,  and they were not as important as some other buildings but they did form  part of the lives of many people and so should be  remembered. Another of the more modern pubs to have closed recently and  apparently on the verge of demolition, is "The Flying Bedstead" in  Hucknall. Albeit a fairly ugly mid-1950s building, this pub is one whose  name celebrates a part of Nottinghamshire history. For those who don't  know, let me explain. The world famous aero engine makers, Rolls Royce,  have a factory in Hucknall, and it was here that development work took  place on the first vertical lift and landing aircraft. Rolls Royce built a  contraption (can't think of a better word for it) to test the unique  engines needed to enable vertical lift and then convert it to normal  lateral flying. The engines were mounted on a frame which resembled an old  iron bedstead, and the sobriquet "Flying Bedstead" was established. This  test work was the foundation for the development of the world famous and  unique Harrier "jump jet". So although the pub building itself was of  little consequence, the name and its position close to the Rolls Royce  factory was. I wonder if someone saved the old pub  sign? Brian Binns  ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu,  5 Sep 2013 10:54:26 +0100 From: "Tony Proctor"  <tony@proctor.net> Subject: Re: [NTT] Another Notts pub goes To:  "Brian Binns" <bnbinns@gmail.com>,  <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> Message-ID:  <B29EF36316E04377A1E9CBFDB679A281@TonyLaptop> Content-Type:  text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I'm about to pass on photos of several pubs from  the old Meadows to pictuerthepast. Tony  Proctor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Binns"  <bnbinns@gmail.com> To: <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent:  Thursday, September 05, 2013 10:47 AM Subject: [NTT] Another Notts pub  goes > We are losing pubs almost every week, and I have posted  details on here of > some that I have noticed that have gone. OK, most  of the ones that have > gone > were not ancient pubs, and they  were not as important as some other > buildings but they did form part  of the lives of many people and so should > be  remembered. > > Another of the more modern pubs to have closed  recently and apparently on > the verge of demolition, is "The Flying  Bedstead" in Hucknall. Albeit a > fairly ugly mid-1950s building, this  pub is one whose name celebrates a > part > of Nottinghamshire  history. For those who don't know, let me explain. > > The world  famous aero engine makers, Rolls Royce, have a factory in > Hucknall,  and it was here that development work took place on the first > vertical  lift and landing aircraft. Rolls Royce built a contraption (can't >  think of a better word for it) to test the unique engines needed to  enable > vertical lift and then convert it to normal lateral flying. The  engines > were > mounted on a frame which resembled an old iron  bedstead, and the sobriquet > "Flying Bedstead" was established. This  test work was the foundation for > the > development of the world  famous and unique Harrier "jump jet". > > So although the pub  building itself was of little consequence, the name > and > its  position close to the Rolls Royce factory was. I wonder if someone >  saved > the old pub sign? > > > > Brian  Binns > > > > Notts Surname List > >  http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > >  ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please  send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word  'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the  message ------------------------------ Message:  4 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 11:00:27 +0100 From: "Brian Binns"  <bnbinns@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [NTT] Another Notts pub goes To:  "'Tony Proctor'" <tony@proctor.net>,  <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> Message-ID:  <008801ceaa1e$c0457000$40d05000$@gmail.com> Content-Type:  text/plain;    charset="us-ascii" Just found this interesting  site. They might like some photos as well  Tony. Brian http://www.closedpubs.co.uk/nottinghamshire.html -----Original  Message----- From: Tony Proctor [mailto:tony@proctor.net] Sent: 05  September 2013 10:54 To: Brian Binns; nottsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re:  [NTT] Another Notts pub goes I'm about to pass on photos of several  pubs from the old Meadows to pictuerthepast. Tony  Proctor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Binns"  <bnbinns@gmail.com> To: <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent:  Thursday, September 05, 2013 10:47 AM Subject: [NTT] Another Notts pub  goes > We are losing pubs almost every week, and I have posted  details on here of > some that I have noticed that have gone. OK, most  of the ones that have > gone > were not ancient pubs, and they  were not as important as some other > buildings but they did form part  of the lives of many people and so should > be  remembered. > > Another of the more modern pubs to have closed  recently and apparently on > the verge of demolition, is "The Flying  Bedstead" in Hucknall. Albeit a > fairly ugly mid-1950s building, this  pub is one whose name celebrates a > part > of Nottinghamshire  history. For those who don't know, let me explain. > > The world  famous aero engine makers, Rolls Royce, have a factory in > Hucknall,  and it was here that development work took place on the first > vertical  lift and landing aircraft. Rolls Royce built a contraption (can't >  think of a better word for it) to test the unique engines needed to  enable > vertical lift and then convert it to normal lateral flying. The  engines > were > mounted on a frame which resembled an old iron  bedstead, and the sobriquet > "Flying Bedstead" was established. This  test work was the foundation for > the > development of the world  famous and unique Harrier "jump jet". > > So although the pub  building itself was of little consequence, the name > and > its  position close to the Rolls Royce factory was. I wonder if someone >  saved > the old pub sign? > > > > Brian  Binns > > > > Notts Surname List > >  http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > >  ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please  send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word  'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the  message ------------------------------ Message:  5 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 22:03:23 +1200 From: "B & L Howarth"  <blhowarth@xtra.co.nz> Subject: [NTT] Basford Cemetery To:  <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> Message-ID:  <5784A73E1B014D8E8DC52B10B566F6EA@ownerb66c67f19> Content-Type:  text/plain;    charset="us-ascii" Hello  all, Here is a list of everyone buried in my brother's  plot. Unfortunately I don't think I will be able to afford a plaque big  enough for all the names. Maybe one day someone else will find their  loved one here with them. Linda Buried in  Basford Cemetery, Grave No 21, Section E6 are as follows: Mary  Jennison, 84, 12 Feb 1894 Elizabeth Alice Hobbester, 33, 21 Jul  1909 Charles Joyce, 82, 30 Sep 1922 Alice Mary Brauch, 75, 2 Dec  1936 Elizabeth Wilson, 79, 23 Dec 1937 Robert Davies, 8hrs, 7  Aug 1958 Gary Davies, 1 day, 8 Aug 1958 Stephen Redgate, 1 wk,  14 Aug 1958 Catherine Elizabeth Jackson, 2 days, 14 Aug 1958 E +  NK Hallam, (Stillborn), 14 Aug 1958 (This could be WK as the letter is  not very  clear). ------------------------------ Message:  6 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 20:11:06 +1000 From: "Peter  R Booth"  <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> Subject: Re: [NTT] Basford Cemetery To:  <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> Message-ID:  <003701ceaa20$3c9b5010$0500a8c0@family> Content-Type: text/plain;  format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Linda, Are they all  descendants of the same family? I can't believe five new  babies being buried within a week. Was there an epidemic in  1958? Peter  ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu,  05 Sep 2013 12:52:09 +0200 From: Mike Fry  <fredbonzo@iafrica.com> Subject: Re: [NTT] Basford Cemetery To:  nottsgen@rootsweb.com Message-ID:  <52286259.3000506@iafrica.com> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 2013/09/05 12:11, Peter R Booth  wrote: >      I can't believe five new babies being  buried within a week. Was there an > epidemic in 1958? Every  winter! Diphtheria. Whoop Cough. Take your pick. --  Regards, Mike  Fry Johannesburg ------------------------------ Message:  8 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 12:34:09 +0100 From: Rob Burns  <acorn.gen@gmail.com> Subject: [NTT] Achives closure of School  admission records To: nottsgen@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CAHfZe9yHnTcpxRG029jvJLSoTsk1KQmXtO4gUoA5DriMGKoKCw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type:  text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yesterday I made a request to the  council to explain why the archives were now closing school records for a  period of 100 years.  I received a response this morning which stated  they were closed due to the Information Commissioner's decision based on a  complaint it received about Powys County Council's closure of such  records.  The decision can be read  at http://www.ico.org.uk/~/media/documents/decisionnotices/2011/fs_50314844.ash x Whilst  I think the review is flawed in a couple of areas and the justification  used is in my opinion being over sensitive I feel the commissioner has no  choice based on present  legislation. Rob ------------------------------ End  of NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 6, Issue  200 **************************************** Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would have thought the name might be Forrester regards Pete in Mansfield On 5 September 2013 22:06, Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote: > I have had a good look for the Elizabeth Alice HOBBESTER to no avail > > In fact I found no HOBBESTER or HOBESTER in the GRO index at all > > The only HOBBESTERs I found in the census are two families, the page > images suggest FOBBESTER > > The nearest I found for Elizabeth Alice was > > England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Elizabeth A Fobester > Name: Elizabeth A Fobester > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872 > Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1908 > Age at Death: 36 > Registration District: Nottingham > Inferred County: Nottinghamshire > Volume: 7b > Page: 193 > > Right quarter but thats about all you can say for it > > There does not appear to be any other FOBESTER or FOBBESTER presence in > Notts > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > Buried in Basford Cemetery, Grave No 21, Section E6 are as follows: > > > > Mary Jennison, 84, 12 Feb 1894 > > > > Elizabeth Alice Hobbester, 33, 21 Jul 1909 > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Elizabeth, I agree totally with you and really we think of spelling very differently than they did in the 19th century, particularly ordinary working people in those days. Adding an e at the end, changing an a for an oi wasn't even on the radar for them. Also we are looking at things like censuses for example, each separated by ten years, as a continuity. They would never have viewed it like that. How would you remember which way you spelled your name ten years ago or 20 etc., on a census and why would it matter? When filling out your marriage register how would you know what your dad or mom put on a census form? There is my 5 cents worth! Jenny ________________________________ > From: elp@northwestel.net > To: jipl19@live.ca; nottsgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: MARRAT/MARRIOT > Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 07:13:01 -0700 > > Hello Jenny > I don’t know whether I would say someone way back then spelled his/her > name incorrectly as so often names were spelled as they were heard by > whomever was transcribing. A local accent could also contribute to how > a name was ‘heard’. Your MARRAT probably was taught to spell his name > from someone who heard it as MARRAT. > Also the transcriber could just spell a name the way he or she wanted > to and if the person in question was illiterate no one would be aware > (or care!) > > I have BUNTINGs who also appeared as BUNTONs within the same family > group and my line ended up being BUNTON whereas a cousin’s line was > BUNTING – and within the same parish register both spellings were used > for the same family. > I also have a line of LANEs who (in the same handwriting for baptisms > of various children of the same parents) were LAIN, LAYING, LAYNE. > > Just my two cents’ worth – not that we have pennies any more! > > Best regards > Elizabeth Pugh > Whitehorse > Yukon > where it’s still almost summer and at my end of town we haven’t had a > frost yet .

Loads more if you start looking for them; the concept of precise spelling only spread slowly to the provinces: One example being the Syson and Sisson variants living in the Erewash valley area; my mother's Wheatley/Whitley/Whately/Whitely tribe, the Stevenson/Steenson/Stenson alternatives. For a brief period in mid-Northumberland my own Gilfellon ancestors were being entered in the parish records as Goodfellow, before switching back 15 years later. Given the time, place and degree of literacy, I can see how easily it happened Bob Armstrong NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Peel" <johnpeel@optonline.net> To: <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 7:18 AM Subject: [NTT] Mis-spelled Names > On the subject of who mis-spelled names in registers, I have WHYLEY > ancestors from Gedling (with plenty of amusing alternate spellings), but > what was interesting is that a branch of the family started spelling the > name WHYLER for some reason, and that variant passed down, so that by the > time of the census records in 1881 and onward, both variants occur, > showing > the family having split into two distinct names from the single origin. > The > same exact thing happened to ancestors from the Wigan area, where the > names > WILLOUGHBY and WILBY appear interchangeably. It does all seem to be > related > to the pronunciation of the name being transcribed differently as more and > more people became literate in the 19th Century. > > > > John Peel > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Nivard and Peter In answer to the first question about them all being related. Well they are not related to me. I did a bit of checking up on the BMD as well, but with no luck on the exact spellings listed. I also threw the names into Genesreunited, but only got one hit with Stephen Redgate and even then it may not be the right relative. One day when I get a chance I will have another go at looking and thanks to Nivard we have at least found one correct spelling. Regards Linda England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about Alice M Branch Name: Alice M Branch Birth Date: abt 1861 Date of Registration: Dec 1936 Age at Death: 75 Registration District: Nottingham Inferred County: Nottinghamshire Volume: 7b Page: 308

I have had a good look for the Elizabeth Alice HOBBESTER to no avail In fact I found no HOBBESTER or HOBESTER in the GRO index at all The only HOBBESTERs I found in the census are two families, the page images suggest FOBBESTER The nearest I found for Elizabeth Alice was England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Elizabeth A Fobester Name: Elizabeth A Fobester Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872 Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1908 Age at Death: 36 Registration District: Nottingham Inferred County: Nottinghamshire Volume: 7b Page: 193 Right quarter but thats about all you can say for it There does not appear to be any other FOBESTER or FOBBESTER presence in Notts Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Buried in Basford Cemetery, Grave No 21, Section E6 are as follows: > > Mary Jennison, 84, 12 Feb 1894 > > Elizabeth Alice Hobbester, 33, 21 Jul 1909

Hello all, Here is a list of everyone buried in my brother's plot. Unfortunately I don't think I will be able to afford a plaque big enough for all the names. Maybe one day someone else will find their loved one here with them. Linda Buried in Basford Cemetery, Grave No 21, Section E6 are as follows: Mary Jennison, 84, 12 Feb 1894 Elizabeth Alice Hobbester, 33, 21 Jul 1909 Charles Joyce, 82, 30 Sep 1922 Alice Mary Brauch, 75, 2 Dec 1936 Elizabeth Wilson, 79, 23 Dec 1937 Robert Davies, 8hrs, 7 Aug 1958 Gary Davies, 1 day, 8 Aug 1958 Stephen Redgate, 1 wk, 14 Aug 1958 Catherine Elizabeth Jackson, 2 days, 14 Aug 1958 E + NK Hallam, (Stillborn), 14 Aug 1958 (This could be WK as the letter is not very clear).

Linda, Are they all descendants of the same family? I can't believe five new babies being buried within a week. Was there an epidemic in 1958? Peter

Jenny I transcribed Farnsfield Baptisms for the period 1719 - 1902. The entry you are after reads: Baptism entry 572 on 1 Jul 1832 Emmanuel son of Elizabeth MARRIOT single woman of Farnsfield John Mellors ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Levine" <jipl19@live.ca> To: <nottsgen-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 7:11 PM Subject: [NTT] Baptismal Record > Hi Everyone, > > Does anyone have access to baptismal records from the archives from which > to make a copy? > One more piece to my puzzle would be to see a copy of the record for > Emmanuel MARRIOTT. > The date is July 1st 1832, his mother Elizabeth Marriott. The place is > Farnsfield Nottinghamshire. > The IGI has the entry indexed but the actual registry would be great. > > Many thanks, > Jenny > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi John - much appreciated - this is very helpful. Regards, Jenny ---------------------------------------- > From: jemello@btinternet.com > To: jipl19@live.ca; nottsgen-l@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NTT] Baptismal Record

If the transcription was taken from the parish register - a copy of which I've seen - then it is unmistakably MARRIOTT. As I said, the groom signed MARRATT, but the register clearly says MARRIOTT. If it was taken from Bishop's transcripts then who knows. -----Original Message----- From: JOHN MELLORS [mailto:jemello@btinternet.com] Sent: 05 September 2013 18:08 To: Brian Binns; 'Elizabeth Lee Pugh'; jipl19@live.ca; nottsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NTT] MARRAT/MARRIOT Brian couldn't it have been the parish clerk that spelt the name incorrectly - I have transcribed literally thousands of entries from Notts Parish Registers and in some periods the parish clerk would have been better making a mark rather than attempting to fill in the register John M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Binns" <bnbinns@gmail.com> To: "'Elizabeth Lee Pugh'" <elp@northwestel.net>; <jipl19@live.ca>; <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [NTT] MARRAT/MARRIOT > Hi Elizabeth, > > My you're up late aren’t you -or is it early? What time is it Yukon? > Having seen the parish register - and I sent a copy to Jenny - I can > confirm that the registrar spelled it correctly as MARRIOTT, but > Emmanuel signed as MARRATT, so it was just the case that he couldn't > spell his own name, perhaps as you suggested, that he had been taught > wrongly. The surprise is that the transcriber for the free BMD took > his signed name, rather than that recorded by the registrar. > > I have North Yorkshire ancestors with the name PERCIVAL, but my 2 x > great grandmother when marrying in Bradford, had her name recorded by > the registrar as PASSIBLE. She must have pronounced it this way as her > first daughter was given that name as a second Christian name, and > again it was spelled PASSIBLE. And I thought it was only the Spanish > who spoke Vs as > Bs!1 > > Brian Binns > > -----Original Message----- > From: nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Elizabeth Lee Pugh > Sent: 05 September 2013 15:13 > To: jipl19@live.ca; nottsgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NTT] MARRAT/MARRIOT > > Hello Jenny > I don’t know whether I would say someone way back then spelled his/her > name incorrectly as so often names were spelled as they were heard by > whomever was transcribing. A local accent could also contribute to > how a name was ‘heard’. Your MARRAT probably was taught to spell his > name from someone who heard it as MARRAT. > Also the transcriber could just spell a name the way he or she wanted > to and if the person in question was illiterate no one would be aware > (or > care!) > > I have BUNTINGs who also appeared as BUNTONs within the same family > group and my line ended up being BUNTON whereas a cousin’s line was > BUNTING – and within the same parish register both spellings were used > for the same family. > I also have a line of LANEs who (in the same handwriting for baptisms > of various children of the same parents) were LAIN, LAYING, LAYNE. > > Just my two cents’ worth – not that we have pennies any more! > > Best regards > Elizabeth Pugh > Whitehorse > Yukon > where it’s still almost summer and at my end of town we haven’t had a > frost yet . > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Brian couldn't it have been the parish clerk that spelt the name incorrectly - I have transcribed literally thousands of entries from Notts Parish Registers and in some periods the parish clerk would have been better making a mark rather than attempting to fill in the register John M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Binns" <bnbinns@gmail.com> To: "'Elizabeth Lee Pugh'" <elp@northwestel.net>; <jipl19@live.ca>; <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [NTT] MARRAT/MARRIOT > Hi Elizabeth, > > My you're up late aren’t you -or is it early? What time is it Yukon? > Having seen the parish register - and I sent a copy to Jenny - I can > confirm that the registrar spelled it correctly as MARRIOTT, but Emmanuel > signed as MARRATT, so it was just the case that he couldn't spell his own > name, perhaps as you suggested, that he had been taught wrongly. The > surprise is that the transcriber for the free BMD took his signed name, > rather than that recorded by the registrar. > > I have North Yorkshire ancestors with the name PERCIVAL, but my 2 x great > grandmother when marrying in Bradford, had her name recorded by the > registrar as PASSIBLE. She must have pronounced it this way as her first > daughter was given that name as a second Christian name, and again it was > spelled PASSIBLE. And I thought it was only the Spanish who spoke Vs as > Bs!1 > > Brian Binns > > -----Original Message----- > From: nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Elizabeth Lee Pugh > Sent: 05 September 2013 15:13 > To: jipl19@live.ca; nottsgen@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NTT] MARRAT/MARRIOT > > Hello Jenny > I don’t know whether I would say someone way back then spelled his/her > name incorrectly as so often names were spelled as they were heard by > whomever was transcribing. A local accent could also contribute to how a > name was ‘heard’. Your MARRAT probably was taught to spell his name from > someone who heard it as MARRAT. > Also the transcriber could just spell a name the way he or she wanted to > and if the person in question was illiterate no one would be aware (or > care!) > > I have BUNTINGs who also appeared as BUNTONs within the same family group > and my line ended up being BUNTON whereas a cousin’s line was BUNTING – > and within the same parish register both spellings were used for the same > family. > I also have a line of LANEs who (in the same handwriting for baptisms of > various children of the same parents) were LAIN, LAYING, LAYNE. > > Just my two cents’ worth – not that we have pennies any more! > > Best regards > Elizabeth Pugh > Whitehorse > Yukon > where it’s still almost summer and at my end of town we haven’t had a > frost yet . > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Strange how one answer begs another question I thought the name BRAUCH sounded unusual, I suspect it may be BRANCH England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about Alice M Branch Name: Alice M Branch Birth Date: abt 1861 Date of Registration: Dec 1936 Age at Death: 75 Registration District: Nottingham Inferred County: Nottinghamshire Volume: 7b Page: 308 I then looked at Elizabeth Alice Hobbester, 33, 21 Jul 1909 Again as the name looked unusual, but cannot find a death registered for anything like it Just shows the various records have anomalies, it shows why we have trouble finding our people at times Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Buried in Basford Cemetery, Grave No 21, Section E6 are as follows: > > Mary Jennison, 84, 12 Feb 1894 > > Elizabeth Alice Hobbester, 33, 21 Jul 1909 > > Charles Joyce, 82, 30 Sep 1922 > > Alice Mary Brauch, 75, 2 Dec 1936

Hi Elizabeth, My you're up late aren’t you -or is it early? What time is it Yukon? Having seen the parish register - and I sent a copy to Jenny - I can confirm that the registrar spelled it correctly as MARRIOTT, but Emmanuel signed as MARRATT, so it was just the case that he couldn't spell his own name, perhaps as you suggested, that he had been taught wrongly. The surprise is that the transcriber for the free BMD took his signed name, rather than that recorded by the registrar. I have North Yorkshire ancestors with the name PERCIVAL, but my 2 x great grandmother when marrying in Bradford, had her name recorded by the registrar as PASSIBLE. She must have pronounced it this way as her first daughter was given that name as a second Christian name, and again it was spelled PASSIBLE. And I thought it was only the Spanish who spoke Vs as Bs!1 Brian Binns -----Original Message----- From: nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Lee Pugh Sent: 05 September 2013 15:13 To: jipl19@live.ca; nottsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [NTT] MARRAT/MARRIOT Hello Jenny I don’t know whether I would say someone way back then spelled his/her name incorrectly as so often names were spelled as they were heard by whomever was transcribing. A local accent could also contribute to how a name was ‘heard’. Your MARRAT probably was taught to spell his name from someone who heard it as MARRAT. Also the transcriber could just spell a name the way he or she wanted to and if the person in question was illiterate no one would be aware (or care!) I have BUNTINGs who also appeared as BUNTONs within the same family group and my line ended up being BUNTON whereas a cousin’s line was BUNTING – and within the same parish register both spellings were used for the same family. I also have a line of LANEs who (in the same handwriting for baptisms of various children of the same parents) were LAIN, LAYING, LAYNE. Just my two cents’ worth – not that we have pennies any more! Best regards Elizabeth Pugh Whitehorse Yukon where it’s still almost summer and at my end of town we haven’t had a frost yet . Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On the subject of who mis-spelled names in registers, I have WHYLEY ancestors from Gedling (with plenty of amusing alternate spellings), but what was interesting is that a branch of the family started spelling the name WHYLER for some reason, and that variant passed down, so that by the time of the census records in 1881 and onward, both variants occur, showing the family having split into two distinct names from the single origin. The same exact thing happened to ancestors from the Wigan area, where the names WILLOUGHBY and WILBY appear interchangeably. It does all seem to be related to the pronunciation of the name being transcribed differently as more and more people became literate in the 19th Century. John Peel

Thanks for sharing this Rob Tony Proctor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Burns" <acorn.gen@gmail.com> To: <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 12:34 PM Subject: [NTT] Achives closure of School admission records > Yesterday I made a request to the council to explain why the archives were > now closing school records for a period of 100 years. I received a > response this morning which stated they were closed due to the Information > Commissioner's decision based on a complaint it received about Powys > County > Council's closure of such records. The decision can be read at > http://www.ico.org.uk/~/media/documents/decisionnotices/2011/fs_50314844.ashx > > Whilst I think the review is flawed in a couple of areas and the > justification used is in my opinion being over sensitive I feel the > commissioner has no choice based on present legislation. > > Rob > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 2013/09/05 12:11, Peter R Booth wrote: > I can't believe five new babies being buried within a week. Was there an > epidemic in 1958? Every winter! Diphtheria. Whoop Cough. Take your pick. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg

The DAVIES boys Gary & Robert were twins, mother's maiden-name CHAPMAN. Births and deaths on FREEBMD   Whilst whooping cough and other high infant-mortality illnesses were certainly still prevalent that is two from other causes plus the still birth.   Regards   Kara (NZ) ________________________________ From: B & L Howarth <blhowarth@xtra.co.nz> To: nottsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, 6 September 2013 6:41 AM Subject: [NTT] Basford Cemetery Hello Nivard and Peter In answer to the first question about them all being related. Well they are not related to me. I did a bit of checking up on the BMD as well, but with no luck on the exact spellings listed. I also threw the names into Genesreunited, but only got one hit with Stephen Redgate and even then it may not be the right relative. One day when I get a chance I will have another go at looking and thanks to Nivard we have at least found one correct spelling. Regards Linda England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about Alice M Branch Name:      Alice M Branch Birth Date:      abt 1861 Date of Registration:  Dec 1936 Age at Death:    75 Registration District: Nottingham Inferred County: Nottinghamshire Volume:    7b Page:      308 Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yesterday I made a request to the council to explain why the archives were now closing school records for a period of 100 years. I received a response this morning which stated they were closed due to the Information Commissioner's decision based on a complaint it received about Powys County Council's closure of such records. The decision can be read at http://www.ico.org.uk/~/media/documents/decisionnotices/2011/fs_50314844.ashx Whilst I think the review is flawed in a couple of areas and the justification used is in my opinion being over sensitive I feel the commissioner has no choice based on present legislation. Rob

Hi Everyone, Does anyone have access to baptismal records from the archives from which to make a copy? One more piece to my puzzle would be to see a copy of the record for Emmanuel MARRIOTT. The date is July 1st 1832, his mother Elizabeth Marriott. The place is Farnsfield Nottinghamshire. The IGI has the entry indexed but the actual registry would be great. Many thanks, Jenny