This is our secondary email and I have just been trawling through over 100 emails - many genealogical. In my own research I have come across various illegitimate children - perhaps the most amusing that my father-in-law - a lovely man but so very proper, was born in Ledbury (which he knew) but only 4 months after his parents marriage in 1901 (which he did not. They all lived in Wolverhampton, and the young couple returned home after a safe time lag and some two children later! I came across the most complicated cover up in 1937/9 where initially it seemed baby Barbara was born to her parents when mother was almost 50. I delved deeply and ordered a few certificates. Barbara's "parents" George P. and Dorothy had divorced before 1927 when Dorothy remarried a William, Both her surnames were on this second marriage certificate. Barbara's "father" George was about to remarry in 1942. The baby was registered in the first quarter of 1938 in Liverpool and then the newly delivered 16 year old Margaret was dragged away to Tangier with her mother who was using her correct 2nd married name. returned from Brisbane in February 1939 and and went again to Tangier in August 1939. >From her birth cert Barbara wa actually born on 8 Dec 1937 in Everton and registered late 4 March 1838 and her father was given as John P a teenage sweet shop assistant. No such person exists! The real George P was an engineer and although none were still alive both Margaret's grandfathers were doctors. Others relatives were parsons. Her extended family lived at the time in Manchester and Coventry. My belief is that the choice of Liverpool was that is was near enough for access but out of the way for discretion and that the sea trips were to get her out of the way, possibly to visit distant cousins - in both senses! - while her figure recovered and that her mother used her old marriage certificate as cover up. I believe the second visit was probably to seal an adoption. Barbara would now be 75. Margaret married in an elegant ceremony in Westminster in 1946, had 3 children, the last in 1953 but died soon after. Jean Wood > Message du 02/09/13 00:22 > De : "david wilson" > A : "nottsgen-l@rootsweb.com" > Copie à : > Objet : Re: [NTT] Divorces 1943 > > If it came to a vote I would say share these details , I think that after 70 years , its a reasonable time to show these reports without upsetting anyone . Some of these snippets might explain old family puzzles to any future family researcher .Not everyone can afford subscriptions to this material . I have many old family photos of one of my Mums uncles and always in the photo was a Mrs Fozzard or "Aunty Flo" . I think she was a girlfriend to Uncle but apart from that haven't a clue or even what happened to Mr Fozzard . Uncle went off to America with another lady and never really heard of again and it might be such an article that could provide the info . ________________________________ From: Nivard Ovington To: nottsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [NTT] Divorces 1943 Hi Brian Call me old fashioned (and I know one who would) but I do not think these should be posted in full to the list I know they are in the public domain, and I know! the people involved are unlikely to still be around but their children and or grandchildren might be and may not very happy having this in the archives Its not a matter of privacy, they are available to anyone who takes the time to seek them out but to me a matter of thought for those around today A list of names re divorce cases would IMHO be sufficient Just my opinion of course Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 01/09/2013 16:11, Brian Binns wrote: > I am doing some research via Newspapers on-line – through Find my Past – and > when I come across an interesting story/report I will publish it here. > > This report is from the Nottingham Evening Post July 5th 1943 and is about > divorce cases at Nottingham Assizes. There are some graphic details but it > is only copied as printed and is therefore in the public domain. Some of the > names may be folk in someone’s family tree, and with divorces being > difficult to track down I hope it helps someone. Copied as written! except > for me capitalising the surnames for ease. Notts Sur! name Lis t http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ruth Not everyone is in the same time zone, Hugh is I think on the other side of the globe (to me at least) Plus admins can't be there 24/7 I would give it a day at least Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 10/09/2013 12:32, Ruth J wrote: > Is anyone else having trouble getting through to the Administrator by email using the address on the introductory page? > > NOTTSGEN-admin@rootsweb.com > > I've been trying all morning but no joy. > > Ruth >

Is anyone else having trouble getting through to the Administrator by email using the address on the introductory page? NOTTSGEN-admin@rootsweb.com I've been trying all morning but no joy. Ruth

Thanks to contacts made through this mail list I was able to meet up with long distant Greenfield relatives in Gedling. They met us at the All Saints church, had someone ready to let us into the church even. What. A thrill to be standing where my ancestors did over 300 years ago. We got to see the records copied from the parish register with all Greenfield marriages, baptisms etc. not too many Americans get to see this final fruition of their genealogical research. Then the Liptons took us all around the area of the river Trent so we could see the beautiful settings and to the Wollington House mansion park that would have been there when my ancestors were. I was also able to drive to Leisceter and found the Scraptof church there with the graves of another branch of the family who left in the early 1800s What an experience Thanks to the mail list Carolyn On Sep 10, 2013, at 3:00 AM, nottsgen-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Henry Davies (JACQUELINE DAVIES) > 2. news bit (Marcia Green) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 12:35:39 +0100 (BST) > From: JACQUELINE DAVIES <jacquelinedavies505@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [NTT] Henry Davies > To: MAVIS JOHNSON <mayjaysomerset@btinternet.com>, > "nottsgen@rootsweb.com" <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1378726539.21936.YahooMailNeo@web87704.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hi Mavis, > ? > Thank you?so much for the information. I now have some work to do looking into the information I have. > ? > Best wishes > Jackie > > ________________________________ > From: MAVIS JOHNSON <mayjaysomerset@btinternet.com> > To: "nottsgen@rootsweb.com" <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, 8 September 2013, 21:25 > Subject: Re: [NTT] Henry Davies > > > Notts FHS Marriage Index > > Possible marriages? > > DAVIS Alpheus KNUTTON Sarah 06/07/1806 NOTTINGHAM St Mary? > ? > DAVIS Henry BENNETT Sarah 05/10/1835 NOTTINGHAM St Mary? > ? > Mavis, > in Somerset. > > >> ________________________________ >> From: Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> >> To: nottsgen@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Sunday, 8 September 2013, 17:47 >> Subject: Re: [NTT] Henry Davies >> >> >> Hi Jackie >> >> The only Henry DAV* born circa 1818 in the 1841, is this one >> >> (age in 1841 should be rounded down to nearest whole five) >> >> 1841 England Census about Henry Davis >> Name: ??? Henry Davis >> Age: ??? 20 >> Estimated Birth Year: ??? abt 1821 >> Gender: ??? Male >> Where born: ??? Nottinghamshire, England >> Civil Parish: ??? Snenton >> Hundred: ??? Thurgarton (Southwell Division) >> County/Island: ??? Nottinghamshire >> Country: ??? England >> Registration District: ??? Radford >> Sub-registration District: ??? Snenton >> Neighbors: ??? View others on page >> Piece: ??? 867 >> Book: ??? 7 >> Folio: ??? 37 >> Page Number: ??? 24 >> Household Members: ??? >> Name ??? Age >> Alpheus Davis ??? 55 j lace m (I would read that as Journeyman Lace maker) >> Sarah Davis ??? 55 >> William Davis ??? 25 >> Emma Davis ??? 20 >> Henry Davis ??? 20 >> >> (all born Notts) >> ??? >> Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 867; Book: 7; Civil Parish: >> Snenton; County: Nottinghamshire; Enumeration District: 4; Folio: 37; >> Page: 24; Line: 15; GSU roll: 438909. >> >> Also on Ancestry >> >> Castle Gate Meeting (Independent) >> >> Henry DAVIS son of Apheus DAVIS and of Sarah his wife was born in New >> Radford, in the Parish of Radford in the County of Nottingham the 14th >> day of Sept 1817 >> Baptised 9th Nov 1817 >> >> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >> >> On 08/09/2013 13:34, JACQUELINE DAVIES wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I am trying to find Henry Davies in the Nottingham 1841 census, Henry was born about 1818? In later census he states he was born in Radford Nottingham. In the 1850s Henry was a silk? merchant or lace agent in Nottingham. >>> Thank you for any help. >>> >>> Best wishes >>> Jackie >> >> >> Notts Surname List >> >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2013 10:51:35 -0600 > From: Marcia Green <mwverde@gmail.com> > Subject: [NTT] news bit > To: NOTTSGEN-L@rootsweb.com, Derbysgen@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <522dfa9c.4708320a.09e3.55d7@mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > http://blog.mocavo.com/2013/08/british-soldiers-wills-now-available-online?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20130907+newsletter&utm_content=blog_posts > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 6, Issue 206 > ****************************************

Hi Mavis,   Thank you so much for the information. I now have some work to do looking into the information I have.   Best wishes Jackie ________________________________ From: MAVIS JOHNSON <mayjaysomerset@btinternet.com> To: "nottsgen@rootsweb.com" <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, 8 September 2013, 21:25 Subject: Re: [NTT] Henry Davies Notts FHS Marriage Index Possible marriages  DAVIS Alpheus KNUTTON Sarah 06/07/1806 NOTTINGHAM St Mary    DAVIS Henry BENNETT Sarah 05/10/1835 NOTTINGHAM St Mary    Mavis, in Somerset. >________________________________ > From: Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> >To: nottsgen@rootsweb.com >Sent: Sunday, 8 September 2013, 17:47 >Subject: Re: [NTT] Henry Davies > > >Hi Jackie > >The only Henry DAV* born circa 1818 in the 1841, is this one > >(age in 1841 should be rounded down to nearest whole five) > >1841 England Census about Henry Davis >Name:     Henry Davis >Age:     20 >Estimated Birth Year:     abt 1821 >Gender:     Male >Where born:     Nottinghamshire, England >Civil Parish:     Snenton >Hundred:     Thurgarton (Southwell Division) >County/Island:     Nottinghamshire >Country:     England >Registration District:     Radford >Sub-registration District:     Snenton >Neighbors:     View others on page >Piece:     867 >Book:     7 >Folio:     37 >Page Number:     24 >Household Members:     >Name     Age >Alpheus Davis     55 j lace m (I would read that as Journeyman Lace maker) >Sarah Davis     55 >William Davis     25 >Emma Davis     20 >Henry Davis     20 > >(all born Notts) >    >Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 867; Book: 7; Civil Parish: >Snenton; County: Nottinghamshire; Enumeration District: 4; Folio: 37; >Page: 24; Line: 15; GSU roll: 438909. > >Also on Ancestry > >Castle Gate Meeting (Independent) > >Henry DAVIS son of Apheus DAVIS and of Sarah his wife was born in New >Radford, in the Parish of Radford in the County of Nottingham the 14th >day of Sept 1817 >Baptised 9th Nov 1817 > >Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > >On 08/09/2013 13:34, JACQUELINE DAVIES wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I am trying to find Henry Davies in the Nottingham 1841 census, Henry was born about 1818? In later census he states he was born in Radford Nottingham. In the 1850s Henry was a silk  merchant or lace agent in Nottingham. >> Thank you for any help. >> >> Best wishes >> Jackie > > >Notts Surname List > >http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Notts FHS Marriage Index Possible marriages  DAVIS Alpheus KNUTTON Sarah 06/07/1806 NOTTINGHAM St Mary   DAVIS Henry BENNETT Sarah 05/10/1835 NOTTINGHAM St Mary   Mavis, in Somerset. >________________________________ > From: Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> >To: nottsgen@rootsweb.com >Sent: Sunday, 8 September 2013, 17:47 >Subject: Re: [NTT] Henry Davies > > >Hi Jackie > >The only Henry DAV* born circa 1818 in the 1841, is this one > >(age in 1841 should be rounded down to nearest whole five) > >1841 England Census about Henry Davis >Name:     Henry Davis >Age:     20 >Estimated Birth Year:     abt 1821 >Gender:     Male >Where born:     Nottinghamshire, England >Civil Parish:     Snenton >Hundred:     Thurgarton (Southwell Division) >County/Island:     Nottinghamshire >Country:     England >Registration District:     Radford >Sub-registration District:     Snenton >Neighbors:     View others on page >Piece:     867 >Book:     7 >Folio:     37 >Page Number:     24 >Household Members:     >Name     Age >Alpheus Davis     55 j lace m (I would read that as Journeyman Lace maker) >Sarah Davis     55 >William Davis     25 >Emma Davis     20 >Henry Davis     20 > >(all born Notts) >    >Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 867; Book: 7; Civil Parish: >Snenton; County: Nottinghamshire; Enumeration District: 4; Folio: 37; >Page: 24; Line: 15; GSU roll: 438909. > >Also on Ancestry > >Castle Gate Meeting (Independent) > >Henry DAVIS son of Apheus DAVIS and of Sarah his wife was born in New >Radford, in the Parish of Radford in the County of Nottingham the 14th >day of Sept 1817 >Baptised 9th Nov 1817 > >Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > >On 08/09/2013 13:34, JACQUELINE DAVIES wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I am trying to find Henry Davies in the Nottingham 1841 census, Henry was born about 1818? In later census he states he was born in Radford Nottingham. In the 1850s Henry was a silk  merchant or lace agent in Nottingham. >> Thank you for any help. >> >> Best wishes >> Jackie > > >Notts Surname List > >http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi Nivard,   Thank you so much for all the information its very kind of you, this will keep me busy for a while.   Best wishes Jackie  ________________________________ From: Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> To: nottsgen@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 8 September 2013, 17:56 Subject: Re: [NTT] Henry Davies Henrys ma & pa in 1851 by the looks of it 1851 England Census about Alphens Davis Name:     Alphens Davis Age:     71 Estimated Birth Year:     abt 1780 Relation:     Head Spouse's Name:     Sarah Davis Gender:     M (Male) Where born:     Nottinghamshire, England Civil Parish:     Sneinton County/Island:     Nottinghamshire Country:     England Registration District:     Radford Sub-registration District:     Hyson Green ED, institution, or vessel:     4 Neighbors:     View others on page Household Schedule Number:     122 Piece:     2130 Folio:     227 Page Number:     32 Household Members:     Name     Age Alphens Davis     71 Sarah Davis     67 Rebecca Davis     33 Emma Davis     25 William Davis     35     Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2130; Folio: 227; Page: 32; GSU roll: 87760. Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 08/09/2013 13:34, JACQUELINE DAVIES wrote: > Hi, > > I am trying to find Henry Davies in the Nottingham 1841 census, Henry was born about 1818? In later census he states he was born in Radford Nottingham. In the 1850s Henry was a silk  merchant or lace agent in Nottingham. > Thank you for any help. > > Best wishes > Jackie Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Henrys ma & pa in 1851 by the looks of it 1851 England Census about Alphens Davis Name: Alphens Davis Age: 71 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1780 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah Davis Gender: M (Male) Where born: Nottinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Sneinton County/Island: Nottinghamshire Country: England Registration District: Radford Sub-registration District: Hyson Green ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 122 Piece: 2130 Folio: 227 Page Number: 32 Household Members: Name Age Alphens Davis 71 Sarah Davis 67 Rebecca Davis 33 Emma Davis 25 William Davis 35 Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2130; Folio: 227; Page: 32; GSU roll: 87760. Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 08/09/2013 13:34, JACQUELINE DAVIES wrote: > Hi, > > I am trying to find Henry Davies in the Nottingham 1841 census, Henry was born about 1818? In later census he states he was born in Radford Nottingham. In the 1850s Henry was a silk merchant or lace agent in Nottingham. > Thank you for any help. > > Best wishes > Jackie

Hi Jackie The only Henry DAV* born circa 1818 in the 1841, is this one (age in 1841 should be rounded down to nearest whole five) 1841 England Census about Henry Davis Name: Henry Davis Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821 Gender: Male Where born: Nottinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Snenton Hundred: Thurgarton (Southwell Division) County/Island: Nottinghamshire Country: England Registration District: Radford Sub-registration District: Snenton Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 867 Book: 7 Folio: 37 Page Number: 24 Household Members: Name Age Alpheus Davis 55 j lace m (I would read that as Journeyman Lace maker) Sarah Davis 55 William Davis 25 Emma Davis 20 Henry Davis 20 (all born Notts) Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 867; Book: 7; Civil Parish: Snenton; County: Nottinghamshire; Enumeration District: 4; Folio: 37; Page: 24; Line: 15; GSU roll: 438909. Also on Ancestry Castle Gate Meeting (Independent) Henry DAVIS son of Apheus DAVIS and of Sarah his wife was born in New Radford, in the Parish of Radford in the County of Nottingham the 14th day of Sept 1817 Baptised 9th Nov 1817 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 08/09/2013 13:34, JACQUELINE DAVIES wrote: > Hi, > > I am trying to find Henry Davies in the Nottingham 1841 census, Henry was born about 1818? In later census he states he was born in Radford Nottingham. In the 1850s Henry was a silk merchant or lace agent in Nottingham. > Thank you for any help. > > Best wishes > Jackie

Further to my mention of the surname DAFT in a recent posting, I came across this in volume 6 of "Victorian Nottingham; A story in Pictures." This volume concentrated on one of the oldest and most popular of shopping streets in Nottingham, Long Row. The article was attached to a copy of an advert from 1862 which read; Established 1804 DAFT & JESSOP Silk Mercers and Family Drapers 9 Long Row, Nottingham "The business was founded in 1804 by William DAFT at 9, Long Row, and entitled "Exclusive mourning and funeral warehouse". He was joined by Zebedee JESSOP, who eventually became a partner in the firm of Daft and Jessop in 1859, and they branched out into all kinds of fashion goods. William Daft died in 1866 and William Jessop joined the firm which became Jessop & Son in 1880, and moved to King Street in 1897. Zebedee died in 1907 and William in 1919, when the firm became a limited company." The building on King Street was by the famous Nottingham architect, Watson Fothergill, and is still one of the iconic buildings in the city. The business was bought by John Lewis in 1933, their first venture out of London by the way, and relocated to the newly built Victoria Centre in 1972. It wasn't until 2002 that the business, along with all other departmental stores in the John Lewis Partnership, took on the name of the parent company. However to me, and I guess most Nottingham folk of a certain age, it will always be "Jessops". Zebedee Jessop was not from Nottingham but came from Swineshead in Lincolnshire. Brian Binns

Hi,   I am trying to find Henry Davies in the Nottingham 1841 census, Henry was born about 1818? In later census he states he was born in Radford Nottingham. In the 1850s Henry was a silk  merchant or lace agent in Nottingham. Thank you for any help.   Best wishes Jackie

Many thanks for your time, Peter, I do have that booklet that covers the Jane GAMBLE & Edward GLYNN murder, I also have (as far as I know) all of the newspaper reports of the event BUT no photo's. There were definitely mug shots taken but the mug shot books in the Nott'm. archives but they told me that those two are missing, that was around ten years ago when I was visiting England. I found the newspapers in the library near where the Odeon used to be. Thanks again, Ted Stevenson, Perth Western Australia

Thank you,first person to suggest baverstock was dead on,i never thought of that.thank you all you clever people.regards.m

From: "Tony Proctor" <tony@proctor.net> > Which region Margaret? > > Baverstock is a surname in the Hyson Green area, and I can easily imagine > this being mistranscribed as Barenstock. > > Tony Proctor > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Margaret thompson" <maggie09.thompson@ntlworld.com> > To: "nottsgen" <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 1:12 PM > Subject: Re: [NTT] help please > > > > I'm struggling to find a barenstock surname or something like it.can > > anyone > > help please I've tried many variations but nothing comes up.thank you.m.> > I suspect Tony is right! The 1881 census has just one entry for an EDWIN BARENSTOCK, a lodger and carpenter at Croydon, born Bournemouth, Hampshire 1860. The actual writing is very difficult to make out, but in 1891 he has become Edwin BAVERSTOCK and FreeBMD has his birth in the June quarter of 1860 at Christchurch RD as Edwin Frederick Baverstock. Was this by any chance the man you seek? Surname Atlas (based on the 1881 data) has 690 Baverstocks, the largest number being in Hampshire. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Which region Margaret? Baverstock is a surname in the Hyson Green area, and I can easily imagine this being mistranscribed as Barenstock. Tony Proctor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret thompson" <maggie09.thompson@ntlworld.com> To: "nottsgen" <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [NTT] help please > I'm struggling to find a barenstock surname or something like it.can > anyone > help please I've tried many variations but nothing comes up.thank you.m. > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm struggling to find a barenstock surname or something like it.can anyone help please I've tried many variations but nothing comes up.thank you.m.

On 9/6/2013 2:58 PM, Jenny Levine wrote: > Hi Elizabeth, > > I agree totally with you and really we think of spelling very differently than they did in the 19th century, particularly ordinary working people in those days. Adding an e at the end, changing an a for an oi wasn't even on the radar for them. Also we are looking at things like censuses for example, each separated by ten years, as a continuity. They would never have viewed it like that. How would you remember which way you spelled your name ten years ago or 20 etc., on a census and why would it matter? When filling out your marriage register how would you know what your dad or mom put on a census form? > > There is my 5 cents worth! > Jenny > ________________________________ > Dear Jenny, Thank you so much for bringing up this overview of what it was like from their viewpoint. I think too that since about 1900, we have gradually gone from an Aural, listening Society, to a very Visual Society! In one of my 3rd great grandfather's Will about 1829 in Pennsylvania, the lawyer or registrar who wrote it for him, spelled the Bleakney name at least four different ways. It was only 1 1/3 pages in length. I have been enjoying this thread on the Marriot family as my husband's paternal grandmother was a Marriot and she was born in England. And we have found various spellings of the name, even in small areas. And to add to the mix, one of the husband's took his wife's maiden name when they married. It would never have occurred to him what a mess that would create 200+ years later for any descendants, trying to figure out what was going on. Also, even though grandma Elsie came with her family to the USA as a child before the turn of the century, her father never became literate. Her mother was, as were all the children, and she took care of any legal records, paid bills, shared the newspaper and books with him. He may have had a learning problem such as dyslexia, but he was a successful, hard-working farmer, and supported his family. Beginning 12 years ago while in my 60s, it was a great struggle for me to begin to grasp what the internet would bring about, and I have never caught up. What it must have been for those who lived in the mid and late 1800s into the 1900s, with things changing, developing, coming about so quickly within their lifetime! Thanks for extending my horizons! Susan E, northern Indiana, 100 east of Chicago, Illinois, USA

Interesting web site Brian. But I am wondering why the Roebuck pub on Carlton Road is not mentioned and if anyone else can remember it. The pub, just around the corner from where I lived in Hyde Terrace, Lowdham Street, was a favourite haunt of my parents and grandparents, my father was not a drinker but would accompany them. I remember being bored and belligerent standing in it's back gardens, if you could call them that, on many occasions. A few years ago my cousin gave me an old Nottingham Post copy of a "My Past" or something like that, with a picture of the Roebuck in it with the caption "does anyone know what this pub's name was". Carole Bell In a message dated 9/5/2013 5:35:41 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, nottsgen-request@rootsweb.com writes: Today's Topics: 1. Re: Marriage Record (Brian Binns) 2. Another Notts pub goes (Brian Binns) 3. Re: Another Notts pub goes (Tony Proctor) 4. Re: Another Notts pub goes (Brian Binns) 5. Basford Cemetery (B & L Howarth) 6. Re: Basford Cemetery (Peter R Booth) 7. Re: Basford Cemetery (Mike Fry) 8. Achives closure of School admission records (Rob Burns) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 08:21:14 +0100 From: "Brian Binns" <bnbinns@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [NTT] Marriage Record To: "'Jenny Levine'" <jipl19@live.ca>, <nottsgen-l@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <004c01ceaa08$81c36690$854a33b0$@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jenny has kindly thanked me via a direct email, but just to put further information to a wider audience. Emmanuel and Harriett were living in Shirland, Derbyshire in later censuses, which Jenny had found, and the surname is MARRIOTT, so it was just a case of Emmanuel not being able to spell his own name correctly. Not too bad really when very many at that time couldn't even write. Emmanuel MARROITT was born in Farnsfield, Notts. Harriett was living with her grandparents on the 1851 census in South Wingfield, Derbyshire, and was born in Wessington, Derbyshire. Both villages are roughly between Matlock and Alfreton. Selston is just on the Nottinghamshire side of the border with Derbyshire, so not too far away. I have found a possibility for her on the 1841 census as a female servant in Chesterfield with the rounded up age of 15. There is a David WALTERS, farmer, on the 1851 census, living in Stonebroom, Derbys, which is not far away from Wessington, where Harriett was born. Could this be the mysterious "father"? Jenny will now have to switch her requests to the Derbyshire, Rootsweb list. WALTERS is one of those surnames that gets regularly mis-transcribed, so always look for WATTERS, WOTTERS, WATERS and other variations. Brian Binns -----Original Message----- From: Brian Binns [mailto:bnbinns@gmail.com] Sent: 04 September 2013 15:22 To: 'Jenny Levine'; nottsgen-l@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [NTT] Marriage Record Jenny, I found the marriage for you. Emmanuel MARRIOTT age 21, bachelor, profession F.W.K. (frame work knitter), residence at time of marriage, Selston. No fathers name or profession entered. Harriett TURNER, age 22, spinster. No rank or profession shown. Residence at time of marriage, Selston. Father's name and surname, David WALTERS. Rank or profession, Farmer. Groom signed Emmanuel MARRATT; Bride, Harriett TURNER. Witnesses; James WILSON, who signed, and Frances BAXTER who made her mark. I can scan a copy of the register I have and email it to you directly. There is obviously some research to be done to determine if he was a MARRIOTT or MARRATT - perhaps he just couldn't spell. But why is her father's surname different to hers? You will need to check previous censuses. All capitalisation done by me for clarification. Brian Binns -----Original Message----- From: nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nottsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jenny Levine Sent: 04 September 2013 01:37 To: nottsgen-l@rootsweb.com Subject: [NTT] Marriage Record Hi everyone, I wonder if there might be someone who can help me access the Nottingham archival records for a marriage at St Helen's, Selston - Jul 12, 1853, for Emmanuel MARRIOTT and Harriett TURNER? Any details available would be very much appreciated. FreeBMD has him indexed as MARRATT Emanuel, Sept Q 1853, Basford by the way. Thanks so much! Jenny Notts Surname List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 10:47:02 +0100 From: "Brian Binns" <bnbinns@gmail.com> Subject: [NTT] Another Notts pub goes To: <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <006301ceaa1c$e070ad10$a1520730$@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" We are losing pubs almost every week, and I have posted details on here of some that I have noticed that have gone. OK, most of the ones that have gone were not ancient pubs, and they were not as important as some other buildings but they did form part of the lives of many people and so should be remembered. Another of the more modern pubs to have closed recently and apparently on the verge of demolition, is "The Flying Bedstead" in Hucknall. Albeit a fairly ugly mid-1950s building, this pub is one whose name celebrates a part of Nottinghamshire history. For those who don't know, let me explain. The world famous aero engine makers, Rolls Royce, have a factory in Hucknall, and it was here that development work took place on the first vertical lift and landing aircraft. Rolls Royce built a contraption (can't think of a better word for it) to test the unique engines needed to enable vertical lift and then convert it to normal lateral flying. The engines were mounted on a frame which resembled an old iron bedstead, and the sobriquet "Flying Bedstead" was established. This test work was the foundation for the development of the world famous and unique Harrier "jump jet". So although the pub building itself was of little consequence, the name and its position close to the Rolls Royce factory was. I wonder if someone saved the old pub sign? Brian Binns ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 10:54:26 +0100 From: "Tony Proctor" <tony@proctor.net> Subject: Re: [NTT] Another Notts pub goes To: "Brian Binns" <bnbinns@gmail.com>, <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <B29EF36316E04377A1E9CBFDB679A281@TonyLaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I'm about to pass on photos of several pubs from the old Meadows to pictuerthepast. Tony Proctor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Binns" <bnbinns@gmail.com> To: <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 10:47 AM Subject: [NTT] Another Notts pub goes > We are losing pubs almost every week, and I have posted details on here of > some that I have noticed that have gone. OK, most of the ones that have > gone > were not ancient pubs, and they were not as important as some other > buildings but they did form part of the lives of many people and so should > be remembered. > > Another of the more modern pubs to have closed recently and apparently on > the verge of demolition, is "The Flying Bedstead" in Hucknall. Albeit a > fairly ugly mid-1950s building, this pub is one whose name celebrates a > part > of Nottinghamshire history. For those who don't know, let me explain. > > The world famous aero engine makers, Rolls Royce, have a factory in > Hucknall, and it was here that development work took place on the first > vertical lift and landing aircraft. Rolls Royce built a contraption (can't > think of a better word for it) to test the unique engines needed to enable > vertical lift and then convert it to normal lateral flying. The engines > were > mounted on a frame which resembled an old iron bedstead, and the sobriquet > "Flying Bedstead" was established. This test work was the foundation for > the > development of the world famous and unique Harrier "jump jet". > > So although the pub building itself was of little consequence, the name > and > its position close to the Rolls Royce factory was. I wonder if someone > saved > the old pub sign? > > > > Brian Binns > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 11:00:27 +0100 From: "Brian Binns" <bnbinns@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [NTT] Another Notts pub goes To: "'Tony Proctor'" <tony@proctor.net>, <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <008801ceaa1e$c0457000$40d05000$@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Just found this interesting site. They might like some photos as well Tony. Brian http://www.closedpubs.co.uk/nottinghamshire.html -----Original Message----- From: Tony Proctor [mailto:tony@proctor.net] Sent: 05 September 2013 10:54 To: Brian Binns; nottsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NTT] Another Notts pub goes I'm about to pass on photos of several pubs from the old Meadows to pictuerthepast. Tony Proctor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Binns" <bnbinns@gmail.com> To: <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 10:47 AM Subject: [NTT] Another Notts pub goes > We are losing pubs almost every week, and I have posted details on here of > some that I have noticed that have gone. OK, most of the ones that have > gone > were not ancient pubs, and they were not as important as some other > buildings but they did form part of the lives of many people and so should > be remembered. > > Another of the more modern pubs to have closed recently and apparently on > the verge of demolition, is "The Flying Bedstead" in Hucknall. Albeit a > fairly ugly mid-1950s building, this pub is one whose name celebrates a > part > of Nottinghamshire history. For those who don't know, let me explain. > > The world famous aero engine makers, Rolls Royce, have a factory in > Hucknall, and it was here that development work took place on the first > vertical lift and landing aircraft. Rolls Royce built a contraption (can't > think of a better word for it) to test the unique engines needed to enable > vertical lift and then convert it to normal lateral flying. The engines > were > mounted on a frame which resembled an old iron bedstead, and the sobriquet > "Flying Bedstead" was established. This test work was the foundation for > the > development of the world famous and unique Harrier "jump jet". > > So although the pub building itself was of little consequence, the name > and > its position close to the Rolls Royce factory was. I wonder if someone > saved > the old pub sign? > > > > Brian Binns > > > > Notts Surname List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/notts.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NOTTSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 22:03:23 +1200 From: "B & L Howarth" <blhowarth@xtra.co.nz> Subject: [NTT] Basford Cemetery To: <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <5784A73E1B014D8E8DC52B10B566F6EA@ownerb66c67f19> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello all, Here is a list of everyone buried in my brother's plot. Unfortunately I don't think I will be able to afford a plaque big enough for all the names. Maybe one day someone else will find their loved one here with them. Linda Buried in Basford Cemetery, Grave No 21, Section E6 are as follows: Mary Jennison, 84, 12 Feb 1894 Elizabeth Alice Hobbester, 33, 21 Jul 1909 Charles Joyce, 82, 30 Sep 1922 Alice Mary Brauch, 75, 2 Dec 1936 Elizabeth Wilson, 79, 23 Dec 1937 Robert Davies, 8hrs, 7 Aug 1958 Gary Davies, 1 day, 8 Aug 1958 Stephen Redgate, 1 wk, 14 Aug 1958 Catherine Elizabeth Jackson, 2 days, 14 Aug 1958 E + NK Hallam, (Stillborn), 14 Aug 1958 (This could be WK as the letter is not very clear). ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 20:11:06 +1000 From: "Peter R Booth" <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> Subject: Re: [NTT] Basford Cemetery To: <nottsgen@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <003701ceaa20$3c9b5010$0500a8c0@family> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Linda, Are they all descendants of the same family? I can't believe five new babies being buried within a week. Was there an epidemic in 1958? Peter ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2013 12:52:09 +0200 From: Mike Fry <fredbonzo@iafrica.com> Subject: Re: [NTT] Basford Cemetery To: nottsgen@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <52286259.3000506@iafrica.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 2013/09/05 12:11, Peter R Booth wrote: > I can't believe five new babies being buried within a week. Was there an > epidemic in 1958? Every winter! Diphtheria. Whoop Cough. Take your pick. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 12:34:09 +0100 From: Rob Burns <acorn.gen@gmail.com> Subject: [NTT] Achives closure of School admission records To: nottsgen@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CAHfZe9yHnTcpxRG029jvJLSoTsk1KQmXtO4gUoA5DriMGKoKCw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yesterday I made a request to the council to explain why the archives were now closing school records for a period of 100 years. I received a response this morning which stated they were closed due to the Information Commissioner's decision based on a complaint it received about Powys County Council's closure of such records. The decision can be read at http://www.ico.org.uk/~/media/documents/decisionnotices/2011/fs_50314844.ash x Whilst I think the review is flawed in a couple of areas and the justification used is in my opinion being over sensitive I feel the commissioner has no choice based on present legislation. Rob ------------------------------ End of NOTTSGEN Digest, Vol 6, Issue 200 ****************************************

Hi Pete I would agree it was a possible option but sadly there are no registered deaths for FORRESTER or FORESTER in the GRO index Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 06/09/2013 12:01, WRIGHT PETER wrote: > I would have thought the name might be Forrester > regards > Pete in Mansfield >