Hi everyone. I've appreciated Jim Dempsey's posts on DNA research. My pedigree is posted at the DNA site: http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/n/norwood/ and I am waiting for the test kit now. I posted a query some time ago to the DNA Newbie group at Yahoo, and Phil Goff wrote the following reply: There are two strategies: MONEY IS NO OBJECT: Under this scenario, I would test two male Norwood descendants of each family (MA, VA, MD and Bermuda). Ideally, each of the two descendants should be as widely separated as possible. In other words, one participant descends from son #1 of the MA founder and another participant who descends from son #3 of the MA founder. Why test two for each line? Well, there's always the chance of a non-paternity event anywhere along any paternal lineage. Alternatively, the paper trail research may contain an error. If the paper trail is correct, you should find concensus among the VA, MD and Bermuda descendants as to the DNA signature, or haplotype. Concensus means that you work through mutations to discover what the haplotype of the founder looked like. The final step is to compare to the MA family. Ideally, the two MA samples will be a high match for each other. Now, do they highly match the other three families on, say, 90% or more of the markers? There are some other nuances to evaluating the match, but in most cases this is enough to say the four families descend from a common paternal ancestor. Are there any volunteers to participate specifically for this question--are the Norwoods of Mass., Virginia, Maryland, and Bermuda all descendants of one paternal ancestor? For the Mass. line, are there any male researchers descended from the sons of the immigrant: Thomas, Francis, or Caleb? Hoping to hear from some of you. Thanks, Dick Norwood

Hi! Yes, I know I'm replying to a post made a year ago. Just consider me a turtle vs a hare, I'm slow but I eventually get where I'm going. :) Dick has posted twice to the guestbook on my website (in desperate need of an update, I know, I know) looking for male Norwoods related to Richard Norwood of Bermuda, 1590-1675, to have their DNA tested. Okay, so I finally went through my database and was able to find the names of around two dozen male Norwoods in my family lines that are still living (and over the age of 25 since I didn't want to bother any of the kids with their crazy cousin's genealogy obsession). About half of these guys I grew up with and could contact without them thinking I was more off my rocker than usual for asking them to do this. So I was talking to my Mom about the best ways to go about contacting my male relatives and as it turned out, my Mom had one of my uncles over for dinner last week for his birthday and she mentioned what I wanted to do and he said he'd do it! Doesn't get easier than that! Now for the quandary. At the current time I'm only 90% sure that my Norwood line descends from the Bermuda line. I can get back as far as my 2nd great grandfather Richard Norwood, who's father was probably Cornelius Norwood, who's father was probably one of two Richard Norwoods that I know about (both of whom descend from Richard Norwood of Bermuda), but I can't prove any of it. What I need is a male Norwood to participate in DNA testing that can prove his line to Richard Norwood of Bermuda. Pam, Lynne, Jon, Barb, Roe Jene, any thoughts on this? Do you know any male Norwoods on the lines you are researching that would be willing to participate? The Andrew Norwood and Hannah Van Norden line is at least fairly proven so it would be a huge help to have the comparison. Gwen, any male Norwoods you know about? I know your Norwood connection is further back than some of us. What about maybe someone descending from Richard Norwood and Susanna Stowe that you were researching last I heard? Debi, are you in contact with any male Norwoods from the Wilks Norwood line that would be willing to get in on this? Mom has lunch with your cousin Linda regularly but won't be back in town for a month so won't be able to ask Linda if one of her brother's would be willing to do this until then. Dale, do you have any interest in getting in on this for the George Norwood line? Another question. Since my uncle has agreed to do this for me, bless his heart, is there any advantage in me asking any of the other uncles or cousins on my line to participate? Please keep in mind that I guess I'll be paying for the testing of my line through www.familytreedna so I wouldn't want to do too many. Thanks! Irene www.norwoodconnections.com On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 16:00:20 -0500, you wrote: >Hi everyone. > >I've appreciated Jim Dempsey's posts on DNA research. My pedigree is >posted at the DNA site: >http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/n/norwood/ and I am waiting for >the test kit now. > >I posted a query some time ago to the DNA Newbie group at Yahoo, and >Phil Goff wrote the following reply: > >There are two strategies: >MONEY IS NO OBJECT: >Under this scenario, I would test two male Norwood descendants of each >family (MA, VA, MD and Bermuda). Ideally, each of the two descendants >should be as widely separated as possible. In other words, one >participant descends from son #1 of the MA founder and another >participant who descends from son #3 of the MA founder. Why test two for >each line? Well, there's always the chance of a non-paternity event >anywhere along any paternal lineage. Alternatively, the paper trail >research may contain an error. If the paper trail is correct, you should >find concensus among the VA, MD and Bermuda descendants as to the DNA >signature, or haplotype. Concensus means that you work through mutations >to discover what the haplotype of the founder looked like. The final >step is to compare to the MA family. Ideally, the two MA samples will be >a high match for each other. Now, do they highly match the other three >families on, say, 90% or more of the markers? There are some other >nuances to evaluating the match, but in most cases this is enough to say >the four families descend from a common paternal ancestor. > >Are there any volunteers to participate specifically for this >question--are the Norwoods of Mass., Virginia, Maryland, and Bermuda all >descendants of one paternal ancestor? > >For the Mass. line, are there any male researchers descended from the >sons of the immigrant: Thomas, Francis, or Caleb? > >Hoping to hear from some of you. > >Thanks, > >Dick Norwood

Irene - my line - Tallmadge to June daughtered out. Can't help here. Lynne -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 11:30 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [NORWOOD] Norwood DNA testing - Bermuda Hi! Yes, I know I'm replying to a post made a year ago. Just consider me a turtle vs a hare, I'm slow but I eventually get where I'm going. :) Dick has posted twice to the guestbook on my website (in desperate need of an update, I know, I know) looking for male Norwoods related to Richard Norwood of Bermuda, 1590-1675, to have their DNA tested. Okay, so I finally went through my database and was able to find the names of around two dozen male Norwoods in my family lines that are still living (and over the age of 25 since I didn't want to bother any of the kids with their crazy cousin's genealogy obsession). About half of these guys I grew up with and could contact without them thinking I was more off my rocker than usual for asking them to do this. So I was talking to my Mom about the best ways to go about contacting my male relatives and as it turned out, my Mom had one of my uncles over for dinner last week for his birthday and she mentioned what I wanted to do and he said he'd do it! Doesn't get easier than that! Now for the quandary. At the current time I'm only 90% sure that my Norwood line descends from the Bermuda line. I can get back as far as my 2nd great grandfather Richard Norwood, who's father was probably Cornelius Norwood, who's father was probably one of two Richard Norwoods that I know about (both of whom descend from Richard Norwood of Bermuda), but I can't prove any of it. What I need is a male Norwood to participate in DNA testing that can prove his line to Richard Norwood of Bermuda. Pam, Lynne, Jon, Barb, Roe Jene, any thoughts on this? Do you know any male Norwoods on the lines you are researching that would be willing to participate? The Andrew Norwood and Hannah Van Norden line is at least fairly proven so it would be a huge help to have the comparison. Gwen, any male Norwoods you know about? I know your Norwood connection is further back than some of us. What about maybe someone descending from Richard Norwood and Susanna Stowe that you were researching last I heard? Debi, are you in contact with any male Norwoods from the Wilks Norwood line that would be willing to get in on this? Mom has lunch with your cousin Linda regularly but won't be back in town for a month so won't be able to ask Linda if one of her brother's would be willing to do this until then. Dale, do you have any interest in getting in on this for the George Norwood line? Another question. Since my uncle has agreed to do this for me, bless his heart, is there any advantage in me asking any of the other uncles or cousins on my line to participate? Please keep in mind that I guess I'll be paying for the testing of my line through www.familytreedna so I wouldn't want to do too many. Thanks! Irene www.norwoodconnections.com On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 16:00:20 -0500, you wrote: >Hi everyone. > >I've appreciated Jim Dempsey's posts on DNA research. My pedigree is >posted at the DNA site: >http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/n/norwood/ and I am waiting for >the test kit now. > >I posted a query some time ago to the DNA Newbie group at Yahoo, and >Phil Goff wrote the following reply: > >There are two strategies: >MONEY IS NO OBJECT: >Under this scenario, I would test two male Norwood descendants of each >family (MA, VA, MD and Bermuda). Ideally, each of the two descendants >should be as widely separated as possible. In other words, one >participant descends from son #1 of the MA founder and another >participant who descends from son #3 of the MA founder. Why test two for >each line? Well, there's always the chance of a non-paternity event >anywhere along any paternal lineage. Alternatively, the paper trail >research may contain an error. If the paper trail is correct, you should >find concensus among the VA, MD and Bermuda descendants as to the DNA >signature, or haplotype. Concensus means that you work through mutations >to discover what the haplotype of the founder looked like. The final >step is to compare to the MA family. Ideally, the two MA samples will be >a high match for each other. Now, do they highly match the other three >families on, say, 90% or more of the markers? There are some other >nuances to evaluating the match, but in most cases this is enough to say >the four families descend from a common paternal ancestor. > >Are there any volunteers to participate specifically for this >question--are the Norwoods of Mass., Virginia, Maryland, and Bermuda all >descendants of one paternal ancestor? > >For the Mass. line, are there any male researchers descended from the >sons of the immigrant: Thomas, Francis, or Caleb? > >Hoping to hear from some of you. > >Thanks, > >Dick Norwood ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good to hear from you, I personally know no Norwoods. My last direct descendant was Deborah Norwood (daughter of Richard Norwood ) who married THE STILL ELUSIVE.... ??? Rosecrans during the Revolution. So, I cannot be of any help. I am answering after a very quick reading of your email and will write more if I have it wrong or have anything else to add. Gwen Becker California [email protected] wrote: Hi! Yes, I know I'm replying to a post made a year ago. Just consider me a turtle vs a hare, I'm slow but I eventually get where I'm going. :) Dick has posted twice to the guestbook on my website (in desperate need of an update, I know, I know) looking for male Norwoods related to Richard Norwood of Bermuda, 1590-1675, to have their DNA tested. Okay, so I finally went through my database and was able to find the names of around two dozen male Norwoods in my family lines that are still living (and over the age of 25 since I didn't want to bother any of the kids with their crazy cousin's genealogy obsession). About half of these guys I grew up with and could contact without them thinking I was more off my rocker than usual for asking them to do this. So I was talking to my Mom about the best ways to go about contacting my male relatives and as it turned out, my Mom had one of my uncles over for dinner last week for his birthday and she mentioned what I wanted to do and he said he'd do it! Doesn't get easier than that! Now for the quandary. At the current time I'm only 90% sure that my Norwood line descends from the Bermuda line. I can get back as far as my 2nd great grandfather Richard Norwood, who's father was probably Cornelius Norwood, who's father was probably one of two Richard Norwoods that I know about (both of whom descend from Richard Norwood of Bermuda), but I can't prove any of it. What I need is a male Norwood to participate in DNA testing that can prove his line to Richard Norwood of Bermuda. Pam, Lynne, Jon, Barb, Roe Jene, any thoughts on this? Do you know any male Norwoods on the lines you are researching that would be willing to participate? The Andrew Norwood and Hannah Van Norden line is at least fairly proven so it would be a huge help to have the comparison. Gwen, any male Norwoods you know about? I know your Norwood connection is further back than some of us. What about maybe someone descending from Richard Norwood and Susanna Stowe that you were researching last I heard? Debi, are you in contact with any male Norwoods from the Wilks Norwood line that would be willing to get in on this? Mom has lunch with your cousin Linda regularly but won't be back in town for a month so won't be able to ask Linda if one of her brother's would be willing to do this until then. Dale, do you have any interest in getting in on this for the George Norwood line? Another question. Since my uncle has agreed to do this for me, bless his heart, is there any advantage in me asking any of the other uncles or cousins on my line to participate? Please keep in mind that I guess I'll be paying for the testing of my line through www.familytreedna so I wouldn't want to do too many. Thanks! Irene www.norwoodconnections.com On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 16:00:20 -0500, you wrote: >Hi everyone. > >I've appreciated Jim Dempsey's posts on DNA research. My pedigree is >posted at the DNA site: >http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/n/norwood/ and I am waiting for >the test kit now. > >I posted a query some time ago to the DNA Newbie group at Yahoo, and >Phil Goff wrote the following reply: > >There are two strategies: >MONEY IS NO OBJECT: >Under this scenario, I would test two male Norwood descendants of each >family (MA, VA, MD and Bermuda). Ideally, each of the two descendants >should be as widely separated as possible. In other words, one >participant descends from son #1 of the MA founder and another >participant who descends from son #3 of the MA founder. Why test two for >each line? Well, there's always the chance of a non-paternity event >anywhere along any paternal lineage. Alternatively, the paper trail >research may contain an error. If the paper trail is correct, you should >find concensus among the VA, MD and Bermuda descendants as to the DNA >signature, or haplotype. Concensus means that you work through mutations >to discover what the haplotype of the founder looked like. The final >step is to compare to the MA family. Ideally, the two MA samples will be >a high match for each other. Now, do they highly match the other three >families on, say, 90% or more of the markers? There are some other >nuances to evaluating the match, but in most cases this is enough to say >the four families descend from a common paternal ancestor. > >Are there any volunteers to participate specifically for this >question--are the Norwoods of Mass., Virginia, Maryland, and Bermuda all >descendants of one paternal ancestor? > >For the Mass. line, are there any male researchers descended from the >sons of the immigrant: Thomas, Francis, or Caleb? > >Hoping to hear from some of you. > >Thanks, > >Dick Norwood Gwen Costello Becker [email protected]

Oh, how I love replying to my own post. LOL. UPDATE: Just to let everyone know that I placed the order this morning for the Y-DNA test to be sent to my uncle. Mom says he's really excited about doing this and that he said I needed to get a move on and get the darn kit to him already. Alrighty, then. I guess we're really rolling now! I went with the 67 marker test so I hope that doesn't skew any comparison results. I'd already ordered it before I saw Dick's latest post recommending the 37. It was decided that if we were going to do this we weren't doing it half-way. Alrighty then. I really do love my family, they can be just way too much fun sometimes. :) Okay, so now the waiting begins! I'm already on pins and needles wanting to see what we come up with! Irene On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:30:21 -0700, you wrote: >Hi! > >Yes, I know I'm replying to a post made a year ago. Just consider me a >turtle vs a hare, I'm slow but I eventually get where I'm going. :) > >Dick has posted twice to the guestbook on my website (in desperate >need of an update, I know, I know) looking for male Norwoods related >to Richard Norwood of Bermuda, 1590-1675, to have their DNA tested. >Okay, so I finally went through my database and was able to find the >names of around two dozen male Norwoods in my family lines that are >still living (and over the age of 25 since I didn't want to bother any >of the kids with their crazy cousin's genealogy obsession). About half >of these guys I grew up with and could contact without them thinking I >was more off my rocker than usual for asking them to do this. > >So I was talking to my Mom about the best ways to go about contacting >my male relatives and as it turned out, my Mom had one of my uncles >over for dinner last week for his birthday and she mentioned what I >wanted to do and he said he'd do it! Doesn't get easier than that! > >Now for the quandary. At the current time I'm only 90% sure that my >Norwood line descends from the Bermuda line. I can get back as far as >my 2nd great grandfather Richard Norwood, who's father was probably >Cornelius Norwood, who's father was probably one of two Richard >Norwoods that I know about (both of whom descend from Richard Norwood >of Bermuda), but I can't prove any of it. What I need is a male >Norwood to participate in DNA testing that can prove his line to >Richard Norwood of Bermuda. > >Pam, Lynne, Jon, Barb, Roe Jene, any thoughts on this? Do you know any >male Norwoods on the lines you are researching that would be willing >to participate? The Andrew Norwood and Hannah Van Norden line is at >least fairly proven so it would be a huge help to have the comparison. > >Gwen, any male Norwoods you know about? I know your Norwood connection >is further back than some of us. What about maybe someone descending >from Richard Norwood and Susanna Stowe that you were researching last >I heard? > >Debi, are you in contact with any male Norwoods from the Wilks Norwood >line that would be willing to get in on this? Mom has lunch with your >cousin Linda regularly but won't be back in town for a month so won't >be able to ask Linda if one of her brother's would be willing to do >this until then. > >Dale, do you have any interest in getting in on this for the George >Norwood line? > >Another question. Since my uncle has agreed to do this for me, bless >his heart, is there any advantage in me asking any of the other uncles >or cousins on my line to participate? Please keep in mind that I guess >I'll be paying for the testing of my line through www.familytreedna so >I wouldn't want to do too many. > >Thanks! > >Irene >www.norwoodconnections.com

It may be a couple of months before the results come back, so take a deep breath and try to think about something else in the meantime! LOL I felt very impatient waiting for mine, I remember. Dick [email protected] wrote: > Oh, how I love replying to my own post. LOL. > > UPDATE: Just to let everyone know that I placed the order this > morning for the Y-DNA test to be sent to my uncle. Mom says he's > really excited about doing this and that he said I needed to get a > move on and get the darn kit to him already. Alrighty, then. I guess > we're really rolling now! > > I went with the 67 marker test so I hope that doesn't skew any > comparison results. I'd already ordered it before I saw Dick's latest > post recommending the 37. It was decided that if we were going to do > this we weren't doing it half-way. Alrighty then. I really do love my > family, they can be just way too much fun sometimes. :) > > Okay, so now the waiting begins! I'm already on pins and needles > wanting to see what we come up with! > > Irene > > > > On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:30:21 -0700, you wrote: > > >> Hi! >> >> Yes, I know I'm replying to a post made a year ago. Just consider me a >> turtle vs a hare, I'm slow but I eventually get where I'm going. :) >> >> Dick has posted twice to the guestbook on my website (in desperate >> need of an update, I know, I know) looking for male Norwoods related >> to Richard Norwood of Bermuda, 1590-1675, to have their DNA tested. >> Okay, so I finally went through my database and was able to find the >> names of around two dozen male Norwoods in my family lines that are >> still living (and over the age of 25 since I didn't want to bother any >> of the kids with their crazy cousin's genealogy obsession). About half >> of these guys I grew up with and could contact without them thinking I >> was more off my rocker than usual for asking them to do this. >> >> So I was talking to my Mom about the best ways to go about contacting >> my male relatives and as it turned out, my Mom had one of my uncles >> over for dinner last week for his birthday and she mentioned what I >> wanted to do and he said he'd do it! Doesn't get easier than that! >> >> Now for the quandary. At the current time I'm only 90% sure that my >> Norwood line descends from the Bermuda line. I can get back as far as >> my 2nd great grandfather Richard Norwood, who's father was probably >> Cornelius Norwood, who's father was probably one of two Richard >> Norwoods that I know about (both of whom descend from Richard Norwood >> of Bermuda), but I can't prove any of it. What I need is a male >> Norwood to participate in DNA testing that can prove his line to >> Richard Norwood of Bermuda. >> >> Pam, Lynne, Jon, Barb, Roe Jene, any thoughts on this? Do you know any >> male Norwoods on the lines you are researching that would be willing >> to participate? The Andrew Norwood and Hannah Van Norden line is at >> least fairly proven so it would be a huge help to have the comparison. >> >> Gwen, any male Norwoods you know about? I know your Norwood connection >> is further back than some of us. What about maybe someone descending >> > >from Richard Norwood and Susanna Stowe that you were researching last > >> I heard? >> >> Debi, are you in contact with any male Norwoods from the Wilks Norwood >> line that would be willing to get in on this? Mom has lunch with your >> cousin Linda regularly but won't be back in town for a month so won't >> be able to ask Linda if one of her brother's would be willing to do >> this until then. >> >> Dale, do you have any interest in getting in on this for the George >> Norwood line? >> >> Another question. Since my uncle has agreed to do this for me, bless >> his heart, is there any advantage in me asking any of the other uncles >> or cousins on my line to participate? Please keep in mind that I guess >> I'll be paying for the testing of my line through www.familytreedna so >> I wouldn't want to do too many. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Irene >> www.norwoodconnections.com >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >