Jim, My cousin has agreed to take the DNA test for the Theophilus/Zachariah/ Lorenzo Norwood line. I am going to order it for him as he doesn't have time at the present to do so. I went to the Family Tree dna site. It gives two different British Isles' groups. Should I do it through a group or a general Norwood testing? Lucy Gray ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 10:52 AM Subject: [NORWOOD] DNA - lower price details. There has been a question about the prices. I wasn't totally clear before. The lower prices I quoted are ONLY for Surname projects and you have to request that at the beginning. You have to follow the my instructions below exactly. When you are filling in the form, you choose from a price list that is ONLY for surname projects. This is where you can choose 12,25,37 or 67 markers and get the reduced prices. I haven't studied the form lately, if you have questions, let me know. jim dempsey > > to look at or sign up for dna testing for NORWOOD males, go to. > > 1. http://www.familytreedna.com/ > 2. click on projects near top of page. > 3. scroll down, in middle is "Y-DNA SURNAME PROJECTS:" click on "N" > 4. scroll down, near bottom of list is "Norwood" click on it. > 5. Read about the project, if you are interested, you can fill in and order from > here. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have contacted a descendant of Lorenzo Dow Norwood of Houston CO, GA about possibly taking the test for the Theophilus/Zachariah/Lorenzo Dow Norwood line of Darlington, SC. So for I haven't heard from him. Should this not work out I hope someone else will volunteer. It would be good to have two tests anyway. My great grandmother was Lavinia Ann Norwood, daughter of Lorenzo Dow. Lucy Gray [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Norwood To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [NORWOOD] DNA Testing Thanks, Bill. I'm really glad to know your descent for other reasons, but for the Y DNA project, since your descent moves to a daughter, we can't use your Y DNA. Your Y chromosome comes from your Reque ancestors. Best, Dick Norwood Bill Reque wrote: > My line is: > > 1. Francis 1636-1709 > 2. Joshua 1683-1762 > 3. Stephen 1713- > 4. Stephen c. 1740 > 5. David c. 1776 > 6. Elizabeth Mariah [Effie] c. 1799 who married Martin Vosburgh > > Bill Reque > San Francisco > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Bill. I'm really glad to know your descent for other reasons, but for the Y DNA project, since your descent moves to a daughter, we can't use your Y DNA. Your Y chromosome comes from your Reque ancestors. Best, Dick Norwood Bill Reque wrote: > My line is: > > 1. Francis 1636-1709 > 2. Joshua 1683-1762 > 3. Stephen 1713- > 4. Stephen c. 1740 > 5. David c. 1776 > 6. Elizabeth Mariah [Effie] c. 1799 who married Martin Vosburgh > > Bill Reque > San Francisco > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I have searched The Norwood Family Page and cannot find a modern day male descendant (surname Norwood) of Francis's sons, Thomas, Francis, and Caleb. If you are a male descendant of one of these men or know a descendant (surname Norwood), please respond here or contact me privately. Thomas's family was in Lynnfield, Mass, and branches from there. There are several gravestones to Norwoods in an old town cemetery near the old junior high school there. The Norwoods in New Brunswick, Canada, are descendants of Francis Norwood, Jr. Ideally, we would like clear paper trails to these ancestors. Thanks, Dick Norwood

My line is: 1. Francis 1636-1709 2. Joshua 1683-1762 3. Stephen 1713- 4. Stephen c. 1740 5. David c. 1776 6. Elizabeth Mariah [Effie] c. 1799 who married Martin Vosburgh Bill Reque San Francisco

I'm directly descended from Francis Norwood of Massachusetts. Bill Reque San Francisco

Dick, Good idea Since I am pounding the keys, to stay focused on England, perhaps you could check your site for Norwoods from Joshua, Caleb, Francis, whatever ? I have wanted to try to find Israel Alexanders desc. through my friends Bill and Clarence who are now deceased. There are no Norwoods from my Corellia's side, her brother died in 1911. Thanks jim -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Richard Norwood <[email protected]> > Hi everyone. > > I've appreciated Jim Dempsey's posts on DNA research. My pedigree is > posted at the DNA site: > http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/n/norwood/ and I am waiting for > the test kit now. > >

Hi everyone. I've appreciated Jim Dempsey's posts on DNA research. My pedigree is posted at the DNA site: http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/n/norwood/ and I am waiting for the test kit now. I posted a query some time ago to the DNA Newbie group at Yahoo, and Phil Goff wrote the following reply: There are two strategies: MONEY IS NO OBJECT: Under this scenario, I would test two male Norwood descendants of each family (MA, VA, MD and Bermuda). Ideally, each of the two descendants should be as widely separated as possible. In other words, one participant descends from son #1 of the MA founder and another participant who descends from son #3 of the MA founder. Why test two for each line? Well, there's always the chance of a non-paternity event anywhere along any paternal lineage. Alternatively, the paper trail research may contain an error. If the paper trail is correct, you should find concensus among the VA, MD and Bermuda descendants as to the DNA signature, or haplotype. Concensus means that you work through mutations to discover what the haplotype of the founder looked like. The final step is to compare to the MA family. Ideally, the two MA samples will be a high match for each other. Now, do they highly match the other three families on, say, 90% or more of the markers? There are some other nuances to evaluating the match, but in most cases this is enough to say the four families descend from a common paternal ancestor. Are there any volunteers to participate specifically for this question--are the Norwoods of Mass., Virginia, Maryland, and Bermuda all descendants of one paternal ancestor? For the Mass. line, are there any male researchers descended from the sons of the immigrant: Thomas, Francis, or Caleb? Hoping to hear from some of you. Thanks, Dick Norwood

Dale, generally, or at least on all the different FTDNA sites I visit, the fee for testing is lower for all groups. Since there is already a NORWOOD group, their web page should reflect the actually cost to the test for group purchases. The amounts for the four different marker tests 12, 25, 37, & 67 are as follows: $99, $148, $189, & $269 respectively. If you are seeing prices higher than that on the "group" web site contact the administrator. The prices for an individual testing is quite a bit higher, so make sure when you join the NORWOOD group, do so under their web site's "join link" to ensure you get the reduced prices. Now, if you are a NORWOOD who has tested with other different companies and would like to join the FTDNA group, they are currently offering a reduced cost to join the project. Ask the administrator about this also. I have had several people ask me in the past how to join the LOWERY group after testing with another company. Good luck and good hunting in your researches to one and all. Oh BTW, let me know if a descendant of the William Coleson NORWOOD has ever been tested. I would like to follow this closely since I am descended from him. Johnny L Lowery 903-631-5678 cell LOWERY & Related Spelling DNA Project Administrator http://www.familytreedna.com/(gbdmr1ffuwxztp45mlrwor2i)/public/LOWERYandRelate dSpellingsDNAProject/index.aspx <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> Check out free AOL at http://free.aol.com/thenewaol/index.adp. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, millions of free high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and much more.

List, this is from Terry Barton who originated the Norwood surname project at FT DNA ---------------------------------- From: "Terry Barton" <[email protected] Hi Jim. Yes, it is cheaper to purchase your test through a project. Norwood is a "deep" ancestral family of mine - so I know little about them and have little hope of finding a male to test. I am hoping that I will learn more about my Norwoods through this project. My ancestry connects back to Lydia Norwood, daughter of William Norwood, b c1623 who died in Surry Co 1702/3. (Lydia m John Sowerby (Soseby?)) I will welcome one or two Norwood researchers to work with me on the project. Here are the project sites: Project 6 Page Website: www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/n/norwood/ Pedigree Forum: http://www.wfnforum.net/index.php?topic=920.0 To order a test now, click this link: http://www.familytreedna.com/DNAList.asp?Group=norwood Best regards, Terry Barton World Families Network Where Genealogy meets DNA Testing http://www.worldfamilies.net/

Dear List, I can't think of everything at once. I forgot to mention you can order the test for someone else. Say you are interested and are a daughter or a cousin and the Norwood male close you isn't interested in spending the money but you are willing to pay for him. Of course you can send him the money but then he would have to apply and maybe doesn't want to be bothered. You can fill in the order with his name and address and pay for it. The kit will be sent to him. He swabs inside his cheeks with the Q-tip, puts it in the bottles and mails it. You can even have all the results sent to you. You can give 2 email addresses so that when the results are first emailed to you, you can see them on the web site also. you get an order ID and password. I didn't tell you about the Y-dna databases you can join, or my DNA results to show you what they look like, subjects for another day ! Got to get back to work. jim dempsey

I was asked about 'breaks' in the line. That is a descent through a Norwood daughter since 1600s Sorry, but NO Y-DNA goes to or through females, only to sons. Unless you are descended from a a continuous line of Norwood males or a Norwood male who legally (or assumed) a new name, this testing does nothing for you. So essentially, only men alive named Norwood need take this Y-DNA test. There is a Mitochondrial dna test for your maternal line but that only helps you with researching your mother's mother's mother' mother's mother's mother (etc.) My statements are true for TODAY only ! There may be in the future, different DNA tests that can be done through males AND females but not now. Please understand, this is a new field and we are in 2007 on the leading edge. There are only 80,000 plus results now at FTDNA. They can't tell how to separate 1,000,000 people until you test a 1,000,000 people ! So we are all guinea pigs and that is the neat thing. As time goes on, we will learn more. I originally had only 12 markers tested. As I said, I have matched dozens of other men but it only really says that we have a common male ancestor probably 1000 years ago in Europe. The 12 therefore is useful to tell me that but does not help genealogy. You want to get results that are recent enough to confirm or deny documented genealogy so therefore you need enough precision to bring the common ancestor down to 200-300 years or so. So once it was developed last year I ask them to do the 37 marker test (no new swab needed). Now I am a close match only to one family (so far), the Hunts. This was exciting because I had always known that my grandfather dempsey may have been adopted (hush hush !) I am waiting on test results from 3rd cousins to check things out further. jim dempsey

There has been a question about the prices. I wasn't totally clear before. The lower prices I quoted are ONLY for Surname projects and you have to request that at the beginning. You have to follow the my instructions below exactly. When you are filling in the form, you choose from a price list that is ONLY for surname projects. This is where you can choose 12,25,37 or 67 markers and get the reduced prices. I haven't studied the form lately, if you have questions, let me know. jim dempsey > > to look at or sign up for dna testing for NORWOOD males, go to. > > 1. http://www.familytreedna.com/ > 2. click on projects near top of page. > 3. scroll down, in middle is "Y-DNA SURNAME PROJECTS:" click on "N" > 4. scroll down, near bottom of list is "Norwood" click on it. > 5. Read about the project, if you are interested, you can fill in and order from > here.

Norwood list, if you know or have found out that a male Norwood has already had Y-DNA testing, please contact me. I will work with you to get their results added to the data base (or identify it if it is already there) or how get additional markers tested, etc. etc. thanks Jim Dempsey

Dear Norwood List, to look at or sign up for dna testing for NORWOOD males, go to. 1. http://www.familytreedna.com/ 2. click on projects near top of page. 3. scroll down, in middle is "Y-DNA SURNAME PROJECTS:" click on "N" 4. scroll down, near bottom of list is "Norwood" click on it. 5. Read about the project, if you are interested, you can fill in and order from here. OVERVIEW from the site. Y-Chromosome - DNA Tests Ethnic and Geographic Origins: All Y-DNA tests allow you to identify your ethnic and geographic origins, both recent and far distant on your direct male descending line. Y-DNA12 - 12 Marker Test: this test is the world standard to verify the Y chromosome for genetic matches between males. Results are placed in our Y-DNA database and when 2 people show the same identical results, we will inform both parties if they have both signed the FTDNA Release Form. The customer receives a Certificate & report generally describing Y-DNA sequencing and the meaning of the probability between matches. PRICE: individual $ 149, Surname group $ 99 Y-DNA-25 - 25 marker test available for family projects. PRICE: Surname Group $ 148 Y-DNA37 - 37 Marker Test: tests the Y chromosome for genetic matches between males. A perfect match of 37 markers means that the two individuals matching shared a common ancestor in recent times. PRICE: individual $ 259, Surname group $ 189 Y-DNA67 - 67 Marker Test: the highest resolution Y-DNA test in the world: A perfect match of 67 markers means a very tight connection: a common ancestor in very recent times. PRICE: $ 349, surname group $ 269 The Family Tree DNA test kit consists of two cheek scrapers and two collection tubes---designed for a single persons use. Each tube contains a fluid designed to arrest bacteria growth, so you can scrape your cheek and return your kit in any type of weather (hot or cold). The freshness of your sample will remain intact for months jim dempsey

Dear Norwood List, good news, there is already a NORWOOD project at Family Tree DNA. I will contact the administrator and get back to you. see another message for prices etc. With the caveat that I am new to DNA work, let me give you an overview. First for medical concerns, these test have nothing to do with genes that have to do with physical inheritance, that is for diseases or disabilities. Y-DNA testing for genealogy purposes (that is high degree of certainty) for DISTANT ancestry (more than say 3-4 generations) is ONLY good for males to males. Said another way, it is only useful for your ancestral MALE line. Therefore confirming or denying that one Norwood is related (in the last 1000 years or so!) to another Norwood. Females do not have Y-DNA so their DNA will not help them on their father's line. Sorry, your brother(s) or father would need to be tested. If you are interested in one generation work, that is paternity testing or how close your DNA is to a brother or sister or perhaps first cousin, that is a whole different situation which we are not concerned with here. Bottom line, what I, and many Norwood families are interested in is, are Francis Norwood of Gloucester and John Norwood of Annapolis and William Norwood of Surry co. Virginia closely related ( in the 1600's) ? Or if you have a 'brickwall' say in the 17 or 1800's, are you related to the widely known emigrant Norwoods or to another one ? Also, with the many lines from William, those descents of his several sons want to feel confident that they are truly descendants of William. Although we all are not 100% sure that William is from the Leckhampton court family, for all practical purposes, I think we can assume so. Therefore a number of us are interested in how Francis of Gloucester and John of Annapolis (and of course other Norwood families, I use those 2 for example) are related to them (or not). Current living Norwoods are about 10-15 generations distant from those 1600's ancestors. DNA has millions of chemical bonds of only 4 unique molecules. But a son has ALMOST exactly the same arrangement of these 4 unique molecules. By looking for places that for some reason not yet known that are SLIGHTLY different, DNA labs can give you what amounts to a DNA fingerprint. These differences seem to occur in places where a short length of DNA repeats itself. (short term repeat). The differences occur as a different number of 'repeats'. Y-DNA can change over time which is refered to as a mutation. Geneticists have looked for changes in male (Y-DNA) that have only occurred over long time periods. So say your father, at 66 out of 67 places on his DNA compared to you, has exactly the arrangement and number of 'repeats' that you do but at one place, he has 15 and you have 14. Current conclusions say that 66 out of 67 would say you two would be related as father-son or grandfather-grandchild or gt-grandfather and great-grandson. That is, one repeat off shows 1-4 generation connection. In fact this difference of one may only occur after 6 or 7 generations. You, your father, gf, ggf, gggf, ggggf etc. may be EXACTLY the same. This is the basis for the Y-DNA testing and genealogy. Everyone is still learning. Over the last 10 years, testing has gone from 12 locations to 25 to 37 and now 67 locations as the labs get more statistical experience on how often a change occurs. Today (see their website) Family Tree DNA says that for 12 locations matching exactly (say say markers), there is only a 95% confidence that 2 men have a common ancestor 29 generations ago - too far back for us. Today, in general, a 12 generation exact match just says your ancestry was north and/or western European which as genealogists, we know already. However, if there is an unknown adoption or different father than recorded, you might find that 12 marker matches will 'break' an ancestral line you thought was true. for 25 locations matching exactly, there is a 95% confidence at 13 generations which is about right for matching in the 1600's for 37 locations matching exactly, there is 95% confidence at 7 generations for 67 locations matching exactly, there is 95% confidence at 6 generations. My experience is with descendants of Francis Norwood of Gloucester Mass. Richard Norwood (who is the Norwood site web master) descent is 99.9999% certain (Nothing is absolute!) That is, we have documented evidence for all 12 generations or so back to Francis. There are no gaps or probables. Gloucester records exist back to 1642 with no gaps or losses. However because of the Civil war and loses of court houses and the climate, records on William Norwood of Surry co. descendants are less complete and there are some generations that have record gaps so we need substantiate work done by many people that the various Norwoods of VA, NC, SC, GA, AL, MS, TX, LA are connected. Therefore I would think those male Norwoods would want to get a 37 marker test to be more certain. That’s the story. Fire away with questions I will try to answer them. There is a lot more info at www.familytreedna.com Jim Dempsey

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Jim Thanks so much for the dna information . I will most definitely participate to try to prove lineage from William of Surry Co One question, I am a little confused on the 2 prices for the 37 marker test The website only has a 259 dollar 37 marker test. Any idea where and what is the difference between it and the 189 dollar test? Dale Norwood

Jim, My Callaway family DNA testing group are including Callaways around the British Isles, Australia and really anyone who wants to be a part of the program. It would be great if a descendant of the Leckhampton Court Norwoods would want to join us. Lucy ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 8:39 AM Subject: [NORWOOD] DNA overview for Norwoods Dear Norwood List, good news, there is already a NORWOOD project at Family Tree DNA. I will contact the administrator and get back to you. see another message for prices etc. With the caveat that I am new to DNA work, let me give you an overview. First for medical concerns, these test have nothing to do with genes that have to do with physical inheritance, that is for diseases or disabilities. Y-DNA testing for genealogy purposes (that is high degree of certainty) for DISTANT ancestry (more than say 3-4 generations) is ONLY good for males to males. Said another way, it is only useful for your ancestral MALE line. Therefore confirming or denying that one Norwood is related (in the last 1000 years or so!) to another Norwood. Females do not have Y-DNA so their DNA will not help them on their father's line. Sorry, your brother(s) or father would need to be tested. If you are interested in one generation work, that is paternity testing or how close your DNA is to a brother or sister or perhaps first cousin, that is a whole different situation which we are not concerned with here. Bottom line, what I, and many Norwood families are interested in is, are Francis Norwood of Gloucester and John Norwood of Annapolis and William Norwood of Surry co. Virginia closely related ( in the 1600's) ? Or if you have a 'brickwall' say in the 17 or 1800's, are you related to the widely known emigrant Norwoods or to another one ? Also, with the many lines from William, those descents of his several sons want to feel confident that they are truly descendants of William. Although we all are not 100% sure that William is from the Leckhampton court family, for all practical purposes, I think we can assume so. Therefore a number of us are interested in how Francis of Gloucester and John of Annapolis (and of course other Norwood families, I use those 2 for example) are related to them (or not). Current living Norwoods are about 10-15 generations distant from those 1600's ancestors. DNA has millions of chemical bonds of only 4 unique molecules. But a son has ALMOST exactly the same arrangement of these 4 unique molecules. By looking for places that for some reason not yet known that are SLIGHTLY different, DNA labs can give you what amounts to a DNA fingerprint. These differences seem to occur in places where a short length of DNA repeats itself. (short term repeat). The differences occur as a different number of 'repeats'. Y-DNA can change over time which is refered to as a mutation. Geneticists have looked for changes in male (Y-DNA) that have only occurred over long time periods. So say your father, at 66 out of 67 places on his DNA compared to you, has exactly the arrangement and number of 'repeats' that you do but at one place, he has 15 and you have 14. Current conclusions say that 66 out of 67 would say you two would be related as father-son or grandfather-grandchild or gt-grandfather and great-grandson. That is, one repeat off shows 1-4 generation connection. In fact this difference of one may only occur after 6 or 7 generations. You, your father, gf, ggf, gggf, ggggf etc. may be EXACTLY the same. This is the basis for the Y-DNA testing and genealogy. Everyone is still learning. Over the last 10 years, testing has gone from 12 locations to 25 to 37 and now 67 locations as the labs get more statistical experience on how often a change occurs. Today (see their website) Family Tree DNA says that for 12 locations matching exactly (say say markers), there is only a 95% confidence that 2 men have a common ancestor 29 generations ago - too far back for us. Today, in general, a 12 generation exact match just says your ancestry was north and/or western European which as genealogists, we know already. However, if there is an unknown adoption or different father than recorded, you might find that 12 marker matches will 'break' an ancestral line you thought was true. for 25 locations matching exactly, there is a 95% confidence at 13 generations which is about right for matching in the 1600's for 37 locations matching exactly, there is 95% confidence at 7 generations for 67 locations matching exactly, there is 95% confidence at 6 generations. My experience is with descendants of Francis Norwood of Gloucester Mass. Richard Norwood (who is the Norwood site web master) descent is 99.9999% certain (Nothing is absolute!) That is, we have documented evidence for all 12 generations or so back to Francis. There are no gaps or probables. Gloucester records exist back to 1642 with no gaps or losses. However because of the Civil war and loses of court houses and the climate, records on William Norwood of Surry co. descendants are less complete and there are some generations that have record gaps so we need substantiate work done by many people that the various Norwoods of VA, NC, SC, GA, AL, MS, TX, LA are connected. Therefore I would think those male Norwoods would want to get a 37 marker test to be more certain. That's the story. Fire away with questions I will try to answer them. There is a lot more info at www.familytreedna.com Jim Dempsey ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Book P page 186 - Chatham Co, NC, this indenture made in 1805 names John Norwood, Henry Norwood, William Bynum and Riebecca his wife, Jones Brewer and Sarah his wife, Isaac Kerby and Nancy his wife, Jesse Nevils and Winefred his wife, and William Rosser and Elizabeth his wife. Heirs of Peter Norwood deceased of Chatham Co......... Can anyone tell me the parents of Peter Norwood? Probably the ones listed above are his children. My research is Sarah "Sally" Norwood that married Jones Brewer. In the past I have seen where it was listed her father was William Norwood. I don't know where they found that information. Jones Brewer and Sarah "Sally" Norwood children are: George Brewer, Peter Brewer, Milly Brewer Jernigan, Edmond Brewer, William Brewer, Henry Brewer, Addison Brewer, John N. Brewer. And these names are from Circuit Court Minutes Book D page 377-378. dividing 18 slaves in 1853 when Jones died. One son William in Van Buren Co, Ark. had died and it was listed heirs of Wm. Brewer - Calvin, Enoch, Green, and Angelette Hill and her husband. Can anyone add to this family? And I don't know any Norwood males from this family. Thanks, Shirley