Dear Jerry and other Listers! This challenge has rested in my mailbox since May of last year, but today I have become aware of an interesting fact: The death record of John N. Urness recorded on FamilySearch shows: Name John N. Urness Event Type DEATH Event Date 09 Apr 1910 Event Place Saint Paul, Ramsey, Minnesota Gender Male Age 6 Birth Year (Estimated) 1904 Father's Name Urness <https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XP83-2TG> Mother's Name Thorsen <https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XP83-2TP> This record suggests that John N. Urness wasn’t a new born baby, but a child 6 years of age, and his mother’s maiden name is given as Thorson! Members of this Urness family have always claimed there were TWO marriages involved, and this record appears to prove this! Was Jacob Nelson Urness (Hagen) in fact first married to a Thorson girl?? But where did they live? And why did the son die in St. Paul, MN? I can find no Urness-Thorson marriage!! Any suggestions regarding these questions will be more than welcome! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~ > On May 31, 2016, at 1:19 PM, Jerry Lloyd <[email protected]> wrote: > > John N . Urness > in the U.S., Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current > > Name: > John N . Urness > > Death Date: > 9 Apr 1910 > > Death Place: > Minnesota, USA > > Cemetery: > Forest Lawn Memorial Park > > Burial or Cremation Place: > Maplewood, Ramsey County, Minnesota, USA > > Has Bio?: > N > > URL: > http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-… > ~~~~~ > -----Original Message----- From: Lars E. Oyane via > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 11:12 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [NOR] Jacob and Georgina Urness and their son John - St. Paul,MN 1910? > > Dear Listers! > > Jacob Nelson Urness (also known as Hagen), born in Aardal Co., Norway Sep. 22, 1881, emigrated in 1901 and married in Chickasaw Co., IA July 11, 1907 to Jorgena and Georgina Ofstethun, born in Aardal Co., Norway July 23, 1887, emigrated in 1892. > > They had a daughter Bertha, born and died in Chickasaw Co., IA Jan. 31, 1908 > > And they had a daughter Stella Benolra, born in Chickasaw Co., IA Jan. 14, 1912 (died in Truth Or Consequences, NM Sep. 1, 2006). > > However, in between they supposedly had a son named JOHN NORMAN URNESS, born in 1910 who supposedly died in St. Paul, MN Apr. 9, 1910! > > I am unable to find any evidence of this child born or died in MN, and I am wondering whether anyone else has «magic eyes» to see him somewhere? > > Thanks a milli0n in advance for your great assistance in this matter! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane >

Dear Listers! I have received a copy of John N. Urness’ death certificate from Ramsey Co., MN. And it leaves me kind of wondering: Place of death is given as 360 (0r 366) E. 9th Street, St. Paul, MN Date and place of birth: Apr. 15, 1904 in St. Paul, MN Parents: Urness and Thorson (no first names) There is no informant! This information makes it very likely, John was NOT a son of Jacob Nelson Urness and his wife Georgina, but who were his parents? There was one Peter Urness family in St. Paul, MN at this time, but they lived on a different address, the mother wasn’t a Thorson, and no John N. fits into that family at all! John N. Urness turns into a true «mystery». Any suggestions who he may have been? Who lived on 360 or 366 E. 9th Street in St. Paul, MN in 1910? That address still seems to exist, near the intersection of I94 and I35E in Lowertown St. Paul, MN where Highway 52 takes off to the South… Thanks a million of any suggestions in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On Feb 14, 2017, at 10:31 AM, Lars E. Oyane <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear Jerry and other Listers! > > This challenge has rested in my mailbox since May of last year, but today I have become aware of an interesting fact: > > The death record of John N. Urness recorded on FamilySearch shows: > > Name John N. Urness > Event Type DEATH > Event Date 09 Apr 1910 > Event Place Saint Paul, Ramsey, Minnesota > Gender Male > Age 6 > Birth Year (Estimated) 1904 > Father's Name Urness <https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XP83-2TG> > Mother's Name Thorsen <https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XP83-2TP> > > This record suggests that John N. Urness wasn’t a new born baby, but a child 6 years of age, and his mother’s maiden name is given as Thorson! > > Members of this Urness family have always claimed there were TWO marriages involved, and this record appears to prove this! Was Jacob Nelson Urness (Hagen) in fact first married to a Thorson girl?? But where did they live? And why did the son die in St. Paul, MN? I can find no Urness-Thorson marriage!! > > Any suggestions regarding these questions will be more than welcome! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > >> On May 31, 2016, at 1:19 PM, Jerry Lloyd <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> John N . Urness >> in the U.S., Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current >> >> Name: >> John N . Urness >> >> Death Date: >> 9 Apr 1910 >> >> Death Place: >> Minnesota, USA >> >> Cemetery: >> Forest Lawn Memorial Park >> >> Burial or Cremation Place: >> Maplewood, Ramsey County, Minnesota, USA >> >> Has Bio?: >> N >> >> URL: >> http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-… >> > ~~~~~ > >> -----Original Message----- From: Lars E. Oyane via >> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 11:12 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [NOR] Jacob and Georgina Urness and their son John - St. Paul,MN 1910? >> >> Dear Listers! >> >> Jacob Nelson Urness (also known as Hagen), born in Aardal Co., Norway Sep. 22, 1881, emigrated in 1901 and married in Chickasaw Co., IA July 11, 1907 to Jorgena and Georgina Ofstethun, born in Aardal Co., Norway July 23, 1887, emigrated in 1892. >> >> They had a daughter Bertha, born and died in Chickasaw Co., IA Jan. 31, 1908 >> >> And they had a daughter Stella Benolra, born in Chickasaw Co., IA Jan. 14, 1912 (died in Truth Or Consequences, NM Sep. 1, 2006). >> >> However, in between they supposedly had a son named JOHN NORMAN URNESS, born in 1910 who supposedly died in St. Paul, MN Apr. 9, 1910! >> >> I am unable to find any evidence of this child born or died in MN, and I am wondering whether anyone else has «magic eyes» to see him somewhere? >> >> Thanks a milli0n in advance for your great assistance in this matter! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >>

Lars, The closest searchable copy of the St Paul city directory I could find was for the year 1914. For 360 E 9th St I found these entries: Natcke Herman lab rms 360 E 9th Meyers Herman lab rms 360 E 9th Espey Edw lab rms 360 E 9th Smith W Wm F eng r 360 E 9th Nutzke Herman lab rms 360 E 9th For 366 E 9th St I found these entries: Cantiere Jno (Cantiere Bros) r 366 E 9th Campi Engio lab rms 366 E 9th Giannini Giulo carp rms 366 E 9th So it looks like these addresses might have been some kind of rooms for a hospital or a clinic or something. Not really sure. Bill On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 09:27 am, Lars E. Oyane <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Listers! > > I have received a copy of John N. Urness’ death certificate from Ramsey Co., MN. And it leaves me kind of wondering: > > Place of death is given as 360 (0r 366) E. 9th Street, St. Paul, MN > Date and place of birth: Apr. 15, 1904 in St. Paul, MN > Parents: Urness and Thorson (no first names) > There is no informant! > > This information makes it very likely, John was NOT a son of Jacob Nelson Urness and his wife Georgina, but who were his parents? There was one Peter Urness family in St. Paul, MN at this time, but they lived on a different address, the mother wasn’t a Thorson, and no John N. fits into that family at all! > > John N. Urness turns into a true «mystery». Any suggestions who he may have been? Who lived on 360 or 366 E. 9th Street in St. Paul, MN in 1910? That address still seems to exist, near the intersection of I94 and I35E in Lowertown St. Paul, MN where Highway 52 takes off to the South… > > Thanks a million of any suggestions in this matter! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> On Feb 14, 2017, at 10:31 AM, Lars E. Oyane <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Dear Jerry and other Listers! >> >> This challenge has rested in my mailbox since May of last year, but today I have become aware of an interesting fact: >> >> The death record of John N. Urness recorded on FamilySearch shows: >> >> Name John N. Urness >> Event Type DEATH >> Event Date 09 Apr 1910 >> Event Place Saint Paul, Ramsey, Minnesota >> Gender Male >> Age 6 >> Birth Year (Estimated) 1904 >> Father's Name Urness <https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XP83-2TG> >> Mother's Name Thorsen <https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XP83-2TP> >> >> This record suggests that John N. Urness wasn’t a new born baby, but a child 6 years of age, and his mother’s maiden name is given as Thorson! >> >> Members of this Urness family have always claimed there were TWO marriages involved, and this record appears to prove this! Was Jacob Nelson Urness (Hagen) in fact first married to a Thorson girl?? But where did they live? And why did the son die in St. Paul, MN? I can find no Urness-Thorson marriage!! >> >> Any suggestions regarding these questions will be more than welcome! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~ >> >>> On May 31, 2016, at 1:19 PM, Jerry Lloyd <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> John N . Urness >>> in the U.S., Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current >>> >>> Name: >>> John N . Urness >>> >>> Death Date: >>> 9 Apr 1910 >>> >>> Death Place: >>> Minnesota, USA >>> >>> Cemetery: >>> Forest Lawn Memorial Park >>> >>> Burial or Cremation Place: >>> Maplewood, Ramsey County, Minnesota, USA >>> >>> Has Bio?: >>> N >>> >>> URL: >>> http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-… >>> >> ~~~~~ >> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Lars E. Oyane via >>> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 11:12 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: [NOR] Jacob and Georgina Urness and their son John - St. Paul,MN 1910? >>> >>> Dear Listers! >>> >>> Jacob Nelson Urness (also known as Hagen), born in Aardal Co., Norway Sep. 22, 1881, emigrated in 1901 and married in Chickasaw Co., IA July 11, 1907 to Jorgena and Georgina Ofstethun, born in Aardal Co., Norway July 23, 1887, emigrated in 1892. >>> >>> They had a daughter Bertha, born and died in Chickasaw Co., IA Jan. 31, 1908 >>> >>> And they had a daughter Stella Benolra, born in Chickasaw Co., IA Jan. 14, 1912 (died in Truth Or Consequences, NM Sep. 1, 2006). >>> >>> However, in between they supposedly had a son named JOHN NORMAN URNESS, born in 1910 who supposedly died in St. Paul, MN Apr. 9, 1910! >>> >>> I am unable to find any evidence of this child born or died in MN, and I am wondering whether anyone else has «magic eyes» to see him somewhere? >>> >>> Thanks a milli0n in advance for your great assistance in this matter! >>> >>> Very sincerely yours, >>> >>> Lars E. Oyane >>> > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message