Sorry I did not mean to offend. The daughters information did not agree with the mothers name nor did the birthdate. I will give them all of the information and let them decide. I was just trying to clear things up and I guess I made a mess. Very sorry. Virginia -----Original Message----- From: NORWAY [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Don Angevine Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 9:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud Then in the, "for what's worth department", I respectfully suggest that you question the criteria you are using to "check it out". Two of our most experienced researchers on here have come to the same conclusion, independently. I would trust their knowledge and experience for the moment, and question thoroughly whatever it is you are using to disqualify their suggestions. Don in Maine USA ---------------------------------------- From: "Virginia Lindsey" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 11:35 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud Thanks but that one does not check out. I just keep trying with no luck. Virginia -----Original Message----- From: NORWAY [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 12:09 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud Hello Virginia, The last time you asked this question I had answered you as follows: ..........I could not find a baptism in Hof parish in Hedmark in between 1827-1829. But in Hof parish, Vestfold county there was a baptism in 1828 of "an" Olaus Christophersen born 23 July 1828 of the parents Christopher Olsen Romseberg? (Rønneberg) + Berthe Taastensdr? #21 <https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8134/59> I would not know how we can check if this is the right Olavus Christophersen b. 1828. Reina P.S. see here Norwaylist archives: <http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/NORWAY/2017-02/1487163914> You wrote: I have checked all the Hof-Hoff-Hofs parishes and cannot find Olaus. SO this may be the end of the road for this search. Virginia -----Original Message----- From: NORWAY [mailto:norway-bounces+virginia= [email protected]] On Behalf Of EDWARD A SCRIVEN Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud To further confuse us with possibilities is that the census said he was from Hoff Prgj., and there are 2 of them, 1 in Hedmark and 1 in Vestfold, but who knows which parish. Edward A. Scriven Layton, Utah Always be Happy!! Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Don and Virginia. Never mind. Scandnavian genealogy is not easy and in my opinion one can not say that the Olaus found baptised in 1828 in Hof, Hedmark, is not the right person without any further research. However that means following this person timeforwards: reading all the Hof churchrecords from 1828 untill 1865 to see if he might be married there or have died. And information from a bygdebok might be of help (I do not know) Only looking at outgoing records is not enough, because those records are not complete. But that includes a complete new research about another family and is a lot of work. I can imagine that you, Virginia, have the feeling that it makes no longer any sense and like to stop the research for this old lady. Back to 1801 census in Hof Hedmark (in which this Olaus b. 1828 and Berthe Taastensdr will be mentioned) is a good result. You can tell the lady that the results about Olaus and Berthe Taastensdr might be insecure and that it makes no sense to do further research before 1801. Good luck! Reina -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- From: Virginia Lindsey Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 3:40 AM To: [email protected] ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud Sorry I did not mean to offend. The daughters information did not agree with the mothers name nor did the birthdate. I will give them all of the information and let them decide. I was just trying to clear things up and I guess I made a mess. Very sorry. Virginia -----Original Message----- From: NORWAY [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Don Angevine Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 9:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud Then in the, "for what's worth department", I respectfully suggest that you question the criteria you are using to "check it out". Two of our most experienced researchers on here have come to the same conclusion, independently. I would trust their knowledge and experience for the moment, and question thoroughly whatever it is you are using to disqualify their suggestions. Don in Maine USA ---------------------------------------- From: "Virginia Lindsey" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 11:35 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud Thanks but that one does not check out. I just keep trying with no luck. Virginia -----Original Message----- From: NORWAY [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 12:09 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud Hello Virginia, The last time you asked this question I had answered you as follows: ..........I could not find a baptism in Hof parish in Hedmark in between 1827-1829. But in Hof parish, Vestfold county there was a baptism in 1828 of "an" Olaus Christophersen born 23 July 1828 of the parents Christopher Olsen Romseberg? (Rønneberg) + Berthe Taastensdr? #21 <https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8134/59> I would not know how we can check if this is the right Olavus Christophersen b. 1828. Reina P.S. see here Norwaylist archives: <http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/NORWAY/2017-02/1487163914> You wrote: I have checked all the Hof-Hoff-Hofs parishes and cannot find Olaus. SO this may be the end of the road for this search. Virginia -----Original Message----- From: NORWAY [mailto:norway-bounces+virginia= [email protected]] On Behalf Of EDWARD A SCRIVEN Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud To further confuse us with possibilities is that the census said he was from Hoff Prgj., and there are 2 of them, 1 in Hedmark and 1 in Vestfold, but who knows which parish. Edward A. Scriven Layton, Utah Always be Happy!! Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway

Virginia, No apologies needed, you did not offend anyone . . . Among other things in my bag of tricks, I am a highly trained management consultant, and have often seen very bright people get stuck in a loop of their own thinking, and was simply suggesting a possible new strategy. As a matter of fact, I have not followed this thread very closely, and could very well have been out of place by commenting on it at all! I think Reina's very good remarks and suggestions here are on point . . . Have a great day, Don in Maine USA ---------------------------------------- From: [email protected] Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 4:26 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud Thank you Don and Virginia. Never mind. Scandnavian genealogy is not easy and in my opinion one can not say that the Olaus found baptised in 1828 in Hof, Hedmark, is not the right person without any further research. However that means following this person timeforwards: reading all the Hof churchrecords from 1828 untill 1865 to see if he might be married there or have died. And information from a bygdebok might be of help (I do not know) Only looking at outgoing records is not enough, because those records are not complete. But that includes a complete new research about another family and is a lot of work. I can imagine that you, Virginia, have the feeling that it makes no longer any sense and like to stop the research for this old lady. Back to 1801 census in Hof Hedmark (in which this Olaus b. 1828 and Berthe Taastensdr will be mentioned) is a good result. You can tell the lady that the results about Olaus and Berthe Taastensdr might be insecure and that it makes no sense to do further research before 1801. Good luck! Reina -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- From: Virginia Lindsey Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 3:40 AM To: [email protected] ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud Sorry I did not mean to offend. The daughters information did not agree with the mothers name nor did the birthdate. I will give them all of the information and let them decide. I was just trying to clear things up and I guess I made a mess. Very sorry. Virginia -----Original Message----- From: NORWAY [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Don Angevine Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 9:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud Then in the, "for what's worth department", I respectfully suggest that you question the criteria you are using to "check it out". Two of our most experienced researchers on here have come to the same conclusion, independently. I would trust their knowledge and experience for the moment, and question thoroughly whatever it is you are using to disqualify their suggestions. Don in Maine USA ---------------------------------------- From: "Virginia Lindsey" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 11:35 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud Thanks but that one does not check out. I just keep trying with no luck. Virginia -----Original Message----- From: NORWAY [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 12:09 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud Hello Virginia, The last time you asked this question I had answered you as follows: ..........I could not find a baptism in Hof parish in Hedmark in between 1827-1829. But in Hof parish, Vestfold county there was a baptism in 1828 of "an" Olaus Christophersen born 23 July 1828 of the parents Christopher Olsen Romseberg? (Rønneberg) + Berthe Taastensdr? #21 <https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8134/59> I would not know how we can check if this is the right Olavus Christophersen b. 1828. Reina P.S. see here Norwaylist archives: <http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/NORWAY/2017-02/1487163914> You wrote: I have checked all the Hof-Hoff-Hofs parishes and cannot find Olaus. SO this may be the end of the road for this search. Virginia -----Original Message----- From: NORWAY [mailto:norway-bounces+virginia= [email protected]] On Behalf Of EDWARD A SCRIVEN Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud To further confuse us with possibilities is that the census said he was from Hoff Prgj., and there are 2 of them, 1 in Hedmark and 1 in Vestfold, but who knows which parish. Edward A. Scriven Layton, Utah Always be Happy!! Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi DOn, Your post reminded me of my mother getting caught in that trap.:} She was an upper elementary school teacher, THe school subscribed to the Children's Museum and each month they would send out an expert and they would talk about about a subject. One of these visits involved a "chrysalis". The next morning one of her young students came in with an object that appeared like chrysalis and asked her what kind of insect it was. She looked at it and siad she didn't know but would try to find an answer for him. She had it on her desk all day and kept looking at it. THEN! she knew what it was. She lok it blamaced on the piece of paper to the Teacher's Rom and asked tem what likd of chrysalis it was. THey passed it around and looked at - no one knew. She took it back to the room and asked the boy where he found it, the lawn, do they have a dog? Yes!!!!:} THen she told him what it was - a dried up doggie-do.:} THat became a joke at our house for years and we warned each other about the power of suggestion. "The Chrysalis Trap". :} All the best. Take good care Barbara in MA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Angevine" <[email protected]> To: "norway" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 1:25:04 PM Subject: Re: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud Virginia, No apologies needed, you did not offend anyone . . . Among other things in my bag of tricks, I am a highly trained management consultant, and have often seen very bright people get stuck in a loop of their own thinking, and was simply suggesting a possible new strategy. As a matter of fact, I have not followed this thread very closely, and could very well have been out of place by commenting on it at all! I think Reina's very good remarks and suggestions here are on point . . . Have a great day, Don in Maine USA ---------------------------------------- From: [email protected] Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 4:26 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud Thank you Don and Virginia. Never mind. Scandnavian genealogy is not easy and in my opinion one can not say that the Olaus found baptised in 1828 in Hof, Hedmark, is not the right person without any further research. However that means following this person timeforwards: reading all the Hof churchrecords from 1828 untill 1865 to see if he might be married there or have died. And information from a bygdebok might be of help (I do not know) Only looking at outgoing records is not enough, because those records are not complete. But that includes a complete new research about another family and is a lot of work. I can imagine that you, Virginia, have the feeling that it makes no longer any sense and like to stop the research for this old lady. Back to 1801 census in Hof Hedmark (in which this Olaus b. 1828 and Berthe Taastensdr will be mentioned) is a good result. You can tell the lady that the results about Olaus and Berthe Taastensdr might be insecure and that it makes no sense to do further research before 1801. Good luck! Reina -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- From: Virginia Lindsey Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 3:40 AM To: [email protected] ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud Sorry I did not mean to offend. The daughters information did not agree with the mothers name nor did the birthdate. I will give them all of the information and let them decide. I was just trying to clear things up and I guess I made a mess. Very sorry. Virginia -----Original Message----- From: NORWAY [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Don Angevine Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 9:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud Then in the, "for what's worth department", I respectfully suggest that you question the criteria you are using to "check it out". Two of our most experienced researchers on here have come to the same conclusion, independently. I would trust their knowledge and experience for the moment, and question thoroughly whatever it is you are using to disqualify their suggestions. Don in Maine USA ---------------------------------------- From: "Virginia Lindsey" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 11:35 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud Thanks but that one does not check out. I just keep trying with no luck. Virginia -----Original Message----- From: NORWAY [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 12:09 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud Hello Virginia, The last time you asked this question I had answered you as follows: ..........I could not find a baptism in Hof parish in Hedmark in between 1827-1829. But in Hof parish, Vestfold county there was a baptism in 1828 of "an" Olaus Christophersen born 23 July 1828 of the parents Christopher Olsen Romseberg? (Rønneberg) + Berthe Taastensdr? #21 <https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8134/59> I would not know how we can check if this is the right Olavus Christophersen b. 1828. Reina P.S. see here Norwaylist archives: <http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/NORWAY/2017-02/1487163914> You wrote: I have checked all the Hof-Hoff-Hofs parishes and cannot find Olaus. SO this may be the end of the road for this search. Virginia -----Original Message----- From: NORWAY [mailto:norway-bounces+virginia= [email protected]] On Behalf Of EDWARD A SCRIVEN Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud To further confuse us with possibilities is that the census said he was from Hoff Prgj., and there are 2 of them, 1 in Hedmark and 1 in Vestfold, but who knows which parish. Edward A. Scriven Layton, Utah Always be Happy!! 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I don't think you've offended anyone so much as confused us. It "seems like" you're working through US sources which may or may not be accurate. I think we've all had to puzzle through both unreliable (and reliable) obituaries, census, death (and other) records where the info was given by someone who didn't know the dead person and didn't know the correct answers to who the parents were or their places or dates of birth, or assumed patronymic or other names that were not correct when compared with Norwegian records (I've dealt with several of these cases). It's a slow plodding task, but one step at a time one finds the correct data and can thoroughly debunk and discard the incorrect data from unreliable sources (and human memory about events fifty or more years ago, or about what they were told about events that happened long before they were born, is usually the most unreliable). If you can get American church records from whatever (usually Lutheran) church they attended in the US as new immigrants, the info the minister would have in possible inflytting records might give you more answers. In my gr-grandparents' marriage record I notice the minister wrote in the parish and fylke they came from in the appropriate church book record. Most often these tangled pedigree lines come from American sources, but a few years ago I even dealt with one that came from a fifth cousin in Norway who tried to tell me an American visitor there was descended from the younger brother of my gr-grandfather. The American visitors had not done genealogy research, had not searched any documents anywhere; they had seen the name and leaped to a very wrong conclusion about where their one male ancestor came from and who he was, and just got on a plane and went to Norway without knowing any documented info about their ancestors, and with wrong info supplied to him from them, my fifth cousin leaped to the wrong conclusion, too. This was clearly a false assumption, even though the farm/surname adopted in America by the visitor's ancestor was the same (albeit the person they found was born on the opposite side of the Trondheimsfjord), and the immigrants didn't live too far away from where my Norwegian ancestors settled in America. The only connection to the farm name in Norway they had was that the bride (of their immigrant couple) was from the area, and the groom had gone to her home area to get married, and she was living at the other/south farm of the same name at the time (which was sold out of my family by then). Since I already knew my gr-grandfather's youngest brother died of typhus less than a year after he arrived here (and he died in his late teens, single, and without being a father), I knew the info could not be true, so between US data and Norwegian data, I managed to find the correct person (the date and location of birth and the patronym were totally different, too, which they hadn't investigated on that side of the pond), and even a couple of generations back in Norwegian records (bless the Norwegians for putting copies of original documents online that are easily accessible!). I offered to help the American visitor with further research and heard nothing more about it. [Of four offspring of my Norwegian immigrant gr-gr-grandparents who had all been born in Norway, two males died young, the female never married, and only my gr-grandfather married and had children.] I highly suspect the information Reina found at Hof, Vestfold may be the correct person you're looking for. The only way to know for sure is to check all the records - time consuming, but there's no way around it since there do not seem to be transcribed records for the birth/confirmation, utflytting or other records that may apply. Process of elimination, slow, but worth the effort if the results are conclusive. If it helps to narrow the search, the Hof, Vestfold Confirmation record (#11) for Olaus Christophersen on 14 January 1844 is here: SAKO, Hof kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0005: Parish register (official) no. I 5, 1844-1851, p. 201-202 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20051024061113 Bev On 3/23/2017 9:40 PM, Virginia Lindsey wrote: > Sorry I did not mean to offend. The daughters information did not agree with > the mothers name nor did the birthdate. I will give them all of the > information and let them decide. I was just trying to clear things up and I > guess I made a mess. Very sorry. > Virginia > > -----Original Message----- > From: NORWAY [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Don Angevine > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 9:31 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud > > Then in the, "for what's worth department", I respectfully suggest that you > question the criteria you are using to "check it out". > > Two of our most experienced researchers on here have come to the same > conclusion, independently. I would trust their knowledge and experience for > the moment, and question thoroughly whatever it is you are using to > disqualify their suggestions. > > Don in Maine USA > > > ---------------------------------------- > From: "Virginia Lindsey" <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 11:35 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud > Thanks but that one does not check out. I just keep trying with no luck. > Virginia > > -----Original Message----- > From: NORWAY [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 12:09 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud > > Hello Virginia, > > The last time you asked this question I had answered you as follows: > > ..........I could not find a baptism in Hof parish in Hedmark in between > 1827-1829. > But in Hof parish, Vestfold county there was a baptism in 1828 of "an" > Olaus Christophersen born 23 July 1828 of the parents Christopher Olsen > Romseberg? (Rønneberg) + Berthe Taastensdr? > #21 > <https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8134/59> > > I would not know how we can check if this is the right Olavus Christophersen > b. 1828. > > Reina > > P.S. see here Norwaylist archives: > <http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/NORWAY/2017-02/1487163914> > > You wrote: > I have checked all the Hof-Hoff-Hofs parishes and cannot find Olaus. SO this > may be the end of the road for this search. > Virginia > > -----Original Message----- > From: NORWAY [mailto:norway-bounces+virginia= [email protected]] On > Behalf Of EDWARD A SCRIVEN > Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:52 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud > > To further confuse us with possibilities is that the census said he was from > Hoff Prgj., and there are 2 of them, 1 in Hedmark and 1 in Vestfold, but who > knows which parish. > > Edward A. Scriven > Layton, Utah > Always be Happy!! >