Save  Print Share Harriet Johaneson in the Ohio, Soldier Grave Registrations, 1804-1958 Ohio, Soldier Grave Registrations, 1804-1958 View Original Image on Fold3. Add alternate information Report issue Name: Harriet Johaneson Gender: Female Spouse: Herman Johaneson Save  Cancel Source Information Ancestry.com. Ohio, Soldier Grave Registrations, 1804-1958 [database on-line]. Lehi, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2017. Original data: Graves Registration Cards Collection, Ohio History Connection, Columbus, Ohio. Description This database contains grave registration cards for soldiers from Ohio who served int he armed forces, mainly from the time of the War of 1812 up through the 1950s. Learn more.. I don't have Fold 3 -----Original Message----- From: Lars E. Oyane Sent: Saturday, May 5, 2018 2:36 PM To: norway@rootsweb.com Subject: [NOR] Herman Johaneson (1829-1910) - Civil War soldier from Wisconsin - died in Dayton, OH - biography? Dear Listers! I have for many years been trying to figure out what happened to this guy from Hafslo who in 1861 left his wife and four children in Bergen, Norway to seek his fortune in America. Today I have finally managed to find his death notice, but details are hard to get by. Maybe someone can help me? Hermund Johannesson Jordanger - in America known as Herman Johaneson - was born in Hafslo, Norway Apr. 15, 1829. In the spring of 1861 he left Bergen, probably with Chicago, IL as his destination, but this document, which I found today: https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D1200%26h%3D68546%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DNzx8529%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1200&h=68546&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true> shows that he enlisted in Wisconsin 16th Company B (another source says Wisconsin 15th) at Milwaukee, WI on Sep. 18, 1861, and he was discharged at Louisville, KY Feb. 23, 1863 due to disability. I understand the document to say he was to reside at Memphis, TN working as a tailor, but in 1889 he entered the Veteran’s Home in Dayton, OH where he died May 4, 1910. His closest relative is listed as brother Trond (Jordanger) in Marifjora, Norway, but he is also said to be married leaving his widow Harriet Johaneson in Memphis, TN! Now I have three main questions: * Do we have on the list some military expert who can possibly locate more detailed information about Herman’s military service, for example where he resided when he enlisted and which battles he took part in? * I have looked all over for census information about Herman and/or Harriet Johaneson (and alternative spellings), but I come out entirely «blank». Not even the Memphis, TN city directories can be of any help. Maybe someone has better eyes than I do? * Finally, is it possible to locate an obituary for this Civil War veteran? Thanks a million in advance for your wonderful assistance in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane _______________________________________________ Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/norway@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/norway@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Dear Jerry and other Listers! Thank you very much, Jerry, for responding to my inquiry about Herman Johaneson and his military career and later life! I must admit I don’t quite understand the contents of your message. If it refers to the document available at fold, it doesn’t give us any more information about Herman than we already have… However, I did find Herman in the 1890 military census for Dayton, OH where it mentions he was a private with 16th Wisconsin Company B, but he was discharged in 1863 due to rheuma and neuralgi, whatever that can be… Now I have also found Herman in the 1900 census for Dayton, OH, and what surprises me there, is the saying he was WIDOWED at the time. If that is correct, he must have married Harriet AFTER 1900… By the way, Herman’s burial card says he was a resident of Memphis, TN, so that’s probably where he lived prior to entering the soldier’s home in 1889…? The 1910 census was taken up in APRIL of 1910, i.e. prior to Herman’s death on May 4, and if we look at the many Harriets who in 1910 lived in Memphis, TN, there was only ONE white Harriet who was said to be MARRIED, but who lived there without a husband: Harriet A. Randall, aged 48, born in Indiana, had been married for 30 years, but there is no mention of children! She had four young boarders so maybe she operated some kind of a boarding house. In the city directories she shows up being the WIDOW of William H. Randall who must have died prior to 1900, since she then also shows up in the census as being widowed, born in Indiana March 3, 1860, mother of 8 children, 6 of whom are living (but only one, Lenore, born in Indiana May 1, 1878, lived with her mother!)! The Indiana marriage index shows that William H. Randall and Harriet A. Ruark were married in Vigo Co., IN on Nov. 24, 1877. BUT, we can only guess this was the Harriet who married Herman Johaneson, or maybe they never were officially married…? Who knows? Thanks again for your great assistance trying to trace Herman and his family. Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On May 5, 2018, at 4:08 PM, Jerry Lloyd <jlloyd@midco.net> wrote: > > Harriet Johaneson > > Ohio, Soldier Grave Registrations, 1804-1958 > > View Original Image on Fold3. > > Name: > Harriet Johaneson > > Gender: > Female > > Spouse: > Herman Johaneson > > Original data: Graves Registration Cards Collection, Ohio History Connection, Columbus, Ohio. > > This database contains grave registration cards for soldiers from Ohio who served int he armed forces, mainly from the time of the War of 1812 up through the 1950s. Learn more.. > > I don't have Fold 3 > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > -----Original Message----- From: Lars E. Oyane > Sent: Saturday, May 5, 2018 2:36 PM > To: norway@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NOR] Herman Johaneson (1829-1910) - Civil War soldier from Wisconsin - died in Dayton, OH - biography? > > Dear Listers! > > I have for many years been trying to figure out what happened to this guy from Hafslo who in 1861 left his wife and four children in Bergen, Norway to seek his fortune in America. Today I have finally managed to find his death notice, but details are hard to get by. Maybe someone can help me? > > Hermund Johannesson Jordanger - in America known as Herman Johaneson - was born in Hafslo, Norway Apr. 15, 1829. In the spring of 1861 he left Bergen, probably with Chicago, IL as his destination, but this document, which I found today: > > https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D1200%26h%3D68546%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DNzx8529%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1200&h=68546&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true> > > shows that he enlisted in Wisconsin 16th Company B (another source says Wisconsin 15th) at Milwaukee, WI on Sep. 18, 1861, and he was discharged at Louisville, KY Feb. 23, 1863 due to disability. I understand the document to say he was to reside at Memphis, TN working as a tailor, but in 1889 he entered the Veteran’s Home in Dayton, OH where he died May 4, 1910. His closest relative is listed as brother Trond (Jordanger) in Marifjora, Norway, but he is also said to be married leaving his widow Harriet Johaneson in Memphis, TN! > > Now I have three main questions: > > * Do we have on the list some military expert who can possibly locate more detailed information about Herman’s military service, for example where he resided when he enlisted and which battles he took part in? > > * I have looked all over for census information about Herman and/or Harriet Johaneson (and alternative spellings), but I come out entirely «blank». Not even the Memphis, TN city directories can be of any help. Maybe someone has better eyes than I do? > > * Finally, is it possible to locate an obituary for this Civil War veteran? > > Thanks a million in advance for your wonderful assistance in this matter! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane >

Lars, I have solved most of this query regarding Herman's wife and family, over the course of an intense 14 hour sitting! Having said that, I have not been successful in finding much of anything about the end of Herman's life. This has been one of the most challenging searches I have ever encountered, as the records for them are very inaccurate in many cases, regarding age, name changes -- they defaulted to "Johnson" -- and the use of first and middle names interchangeably for first names. Herman is shown to be from Sweden and Ireland in some cases. That would explain your difficulty if you were screwing your searches down too tightly, and excluding them inadvertently. I do not subscribe to any paid services, such as Ancestry.com, so links to them are not useful to me. I will be sending you a flood of files off-List, and I'd appreciate it if you could copy and paste the info you have about Herman's last years to me as well. BTW, the Harriet Randall you found is not correct. I have not, as yet, found an actual marriage record, but Herman was married to Harriet Ellen Held from Croydon, Indiana. They had several children, their first, Anna, coming around the time of his military discharge. For a long time in my search there was a long gap in the ages of the children, after Anna, and all girls, until near the end of my looking last night, when I found other children, including at least a couple of males with very common names, thus difficult to winnow out. None of the women I followed were successful in marriage, using the common "Widowed" in the records instead of "Divorced". I believe that is also what happened to Herman and Harriet in the end. I followed three daughters to their death, two dying within one week in 1923, victims of a "lysteria" outbreak in the USA and Europe. It was the death certificate record for their first child, Anna, that tipped me off to their mother's maiden name, and got this search rolling. From the time of Herman's military discharge, they lived in Spencer County, Kentucky, then Montgomery County, Tennessee, and eventually Memphis, TN. He is listed as Taylor-Farmer or just as Taylor. Don in Maine USA ---------------------------------------- From: "Lars E. Oyane" <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 10:13 AM To: norway@rootsweb.com Cc: "Jerry Lloyd" <jlloyd@midco.net> Subject: [NOR] Re: Herman Johaneson (1829-1910) - Civil War soldier from Wisconsin - died in Dayton, OH - biography? Dear Jerry and other Listers! Thank you very much, Jerry, for responding to my inquiry about Herman Johaneson and his military career and later life! I must admit I don't quite understand the contents of your message. If it refers to the document available at fold, it doesn't give us any more information about Herman than we already have. However, I did find Herman in the 1890 military census for Dayton, OH where it mentions he was a private with 16th Wisconsin Company B, but he was discharged in 1863 due to rheuma and neuralgi, whatever that can be. Now I have also found Herman in the 1900 census for Dayton, OH, and what surprises me there, is the saying he was WIDOWED at the time. If that is correct, he must have married Harriet AFTER 1900. By the way, Herman's burial card says he was a resident of Memphis, TN, so that's probably where he lived prior to entering the soldier's home in 1889.? The 1910 census was taken up in APRIL of 1910, i.e. prior to Herman's death on May 4, and if we look at the many Harriets who in 1910 lived in Memphis, TN, there was only ONE white Harriet who was said to be MARRIED, but who lived there without a husband: Harriet A. Randall, aged 48, born in Indiana, had been married for 30 years, but there is no mention of children! She had four young boarders so maybe she operated some kind of a boarding house. In the city directories she shows up being the WIDOW of William H. Randall who must have died prior to 1900, since she then also shows up in the census as being widowed, born in Indiana March 3, 1860, mother of 8 children, 6 of whom are living (but only one, Lenore, born in Indiana May 1, 1878, lived with her mother!)! The Indiana marriage index shows that William H. Randall and Harriet A. Ruark were married in Vigo Co., IN on Nov. 24, 1877. BUT, we can only guess this was the Harriet who married Herman Johaneson, or maybe they never were officially married.? Who knows? Thanks again for your great assistance trying to trace Herman and his family. Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane

Polymyalgia Rheumatica Overview: Polymyalgia rheumatica is an inflammatory disorder that causes muscle pain and stiffness, especially in the shoulders. Symptoms of polymyalgia rheumatica (pol-e-my-AL-juh rue-MAT-ih-kuh) usually begin quickly and are worse in the morning. Most people who develop polymyalgia rheumatica are older than 65. It rarely affects people under 50. You may receive symptom relief by taking anti-inflammatory drugs called corticosteroids. But relapses are common, and you'll need to visit your doctor regularly to watch for serious side effects of these drugs. Polymyalgia rheumatica is related to another inflammatory disorder called giant cell arteritis, which can cause headaches, vision difficulties, jaw pain and scalp tenderness. It's possible to have both of these conditions together. Trigeminal Neuralgia Overview: Trigeminal neuralgia is a chronic pain condition that affects the trigeminal nerve, which carries sensation from your face to your brain. If you have trigeminal neuralgia, even mild stimulation of your face - such as from brushing your teeth or putting on makeup - may trigger a jolt of excruciating pain. You may initially experience short, mild attacks. But trigeminal neuralgia can progress and cause longer, more-frequent bouts of searing pain. Trigeminal neuralgia affects women more often than men, and it's more likely to occur in people who are older than 50. Because of the variety of treatment options available, having trigeminal neuralgia doesn't necessarily mean you're doomed to a life of pain. Doctors usually can effectively manage trigeminal neuralgia with medications, injections or surgery. ---------------------------------------- From: "Lars E. Oyane" <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 10:13 AM To: norway@rootsweb.com Cc: "Jerry Lloyd" <jlloyd@midco.net> Subject: [NOR] Re: Herman Johaneson (1829-1910) - Civil War soldier from Wisconsin - died in Dayton, OH - biography? Dear Jerry and other Listers! Thank you very much, Jerry, for responding to my inquiry about Herman Johaneson and his military career and later life! I must admit I don't quite understand the contents of your message. If it refers to the document available at fold, it doesn't give us any more information about Herman than we already have. However, I did find Herman in the 1890 military census for Dayton, OH where it mentions he was a private with 16th Wisconsin Company B, but he was discharged in 1863 due to rheuma and neuralgi, whatever that can be. Now I have also found Herman in the 1900 census for Dayton, OH, and what surprises me there, is the saying he was WIDOWED at the time. If that is correct, he must have married Harriet AFTER 1900. By the way, Herman's burial card says he was a resident of Memphis, TN, so that's probably where he lived prior to entering the soldier's home in 1889.? The 1910 census was taken up in APRIL of 1910, i.e. prior to Herman's death on May 4, and if we look at the many Harriets who in 1910 lived in Memphis, TN, there was only ONE white Harriet who was said to be MARRIED, but who lived there without a husband: Harriet A. Randall, aged 48, born in Indiana, had been married for 30 years, but there is no mention of children! She had four young boarders so maybe she operated some kind of a boarding house. In the city directories she shows up being the WIDOW of William H. Randall who must have died prior to 1900, since she then also shows up in the census as being widowed, born in Indiana March 3, 1860, mother of 8 children, 6 of whom are living (but only one, Lenore, born in Indiana May 1, 1878, lived with her mother!)! The Indiana marriage index shows that William H. Randall and Harriet A. Ruark were married in Vigo Co., IN on Nov. 24, 1877. BUT, we can only guess this was the Harriet who married Herman Johaneson, or maybe they never were officially married.? Who knows? Thanks again for your great assistance trying to trace Herman and his family. Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane

Dear Don and other Listers! I cannot express my pleasure in words! Thanks a million, Don, for a wonderful message which brings me almost to Heaven of gratitude! I am highly impressed with your findings, and as I read your message, I see we just have to keep our eyes open for ALL possibilities, even when it comes to birth places. I quickly looked up Herman in the 1870 and 1880 censuses where you said he would be, and yes, one place born in SWEDEN, and one place born in IRELAND. And the 1900 census for Memphis, TN has Harriet’s children’s father born in INDIANA! And then I went to check the Indiana State marriage records which are online with ancestry.com, and I found this: Harman JOHNSON and Harriet E. HETH were married in Floyd Co., IN June 23, 1863 (while he was still officially married to his wife in Norway!), and I find Harriet E. Heth in the 1850 census aged 6 residing with her parents in Corydon, Harrison Co., IN. Now I am of course very anxious to learn what more you have found out about Harriet and her children! I notice from the 1900 census she was the mother of eight children, with four living. By the way, I cannot find Harriet in 1910 or in any local death indexes… Thanks again, Don, for really making my day! Now I am going to have a late supper which I will enjoy thinking about all that great family history stuff! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On May 6, 2018, at 1:08 PM, Don Angevine <dangevin@megalink.net> wrote: > > Polymyalgia Rheumatica Overview: > Polymyalgia rheumatica is an inflammatory disorder that causes muscle pain and stiffness, especially in the shoulders. Symptoms of polymyalgia rheumatica (pol-e-my-AL-juh rue-MAT-ih-kuh) usually begin quickly and are worse in the morning. Most people who develop polymyalgia rheumatica are older than 65. It rarely affects people under 50. > > You may receive symptom relief by taking anti-inflammatory drugs called corticosteroids. But relapses are common, and you'll need to visit your doctor regularly to watch for serious side effects of these drugs. > > Polymyalgia rheumatica is related to another inflammatory disorder called giant cell arteritis, which can cause headaches, vision difficulties, jaw pain and scalp tenderness. It's possible to have both of these conditions together. > > Trigeminal Neuralgia Overview: > Trigeminal neuralgia is a chronic pain condition that affects the trigeminal nerve, which carries sensation from your face to your brain. If you have trigeminal neuralgia, even mild stimulation of your face — such as from brushing your teeth or putting on makeup — may trigger a jolt of excruciating pain. > > You may initially experience short, mild attacks. But trigeminal neuralgia can progress and cause longer, more-frequent bouts of searing pain. Trigeminal neuralgia affects women more often than men, and it's more likely to occur in people who are older than 50. > > Because of the variety of treatment options available, having trigeminal neuralgia doesn't necessarily mean you're doomed to a life of pain. Doctors usually can effectively manage trigeminal neuralgia with medications, injections or surgery. > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > On May 6, 2018, at 1:06 PM, Don Angevine <dangevin@megalink.net> wrote: > > Lars, > > I have solved most of this query regarding Herman's wife and family, over the course of an intense 14 hour sitting! Having said that, I have not been successful in finding much of anything about the end of Herman's life. > > This has been one of the most challenging searches I have ever encountered, as the records for them are very inaccurate in many cases, regarding age, name changes -- they defaulted to "Johnson" -- and the use of first and middle names interchangeably for first names. Herman is shown to be from Sweden and Ireland in some cases. That would explain your difficulty if you were screwing your searches down too tightly, and excluding them inadvertently. > > I do not subscribe to any paid services, such as Ancestry.com, so links to them are not useful to me. I will be sending you a flood of files off-List, and I'd appreciate it if you could copy and paste the info you have about Herman's last years to me as well. > > BTW, the Harriet Randall you found is not correct. I have not, as yet, found an actual marriage record, but Herman was married to Harriet Ellen Held from Croydon, Indiana. They had several children, their first, Anna, coming around the time of his military discharge. For a long time in my search there was a long gap in the ages of the children, after Anna, and all girls, until near the end of my looking last night, when I found other children, including at least a couple of males with very common names, thus difficult to winnow out. > > None of the women I followed were successful in marriage, using the common "Widowed" in the records instead of "Divorced". I believe that is also what happened to Herman and Harriet in the end. > > I followed three daughters to their death, two dying within one week in 1923, victims of a "lysteria" outbreak in the USA and Europe. It was the death certificate record for their first child, Anna, that tipped me off to their mother's maiden name, and got this search rolling. > > From the time of Herman's military discharge, they lived in Spencer County, Kentucky, then Montgomery County, Tennessee, and eventually Memphis, TN. He is listed as Taylor-Farmer or just as Taylor. > > Don in Maine USA > ~~~~~~~~~~ > > On May 5, 2018, at 2:36 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: > > Dear Listers! > > I have for many years been trying to figure out what happened to this guy from Hafslo who in 1861 left his wife and four children in Bergen, Norway to seek his fortune in America. Today I have finally managed to find his death notice, but details are hard to get by. Maybe someone can help me? > > Hermund Johannesson Jordanger - in America known as Herman Johaneson - was born in Hafslo, Norway Apr. 15, 1829. In the spring of 1861 he left Bergen, probably with Chicago, IL as his destination, but this document, which I found today: > > https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D1200%26h%3D68546%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DNzx8529%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1200&h=68546&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true> > > shows that he enlisted in Wisconsin 16th Company B (another source says Wisconsin 15th) at Milwaukee, WI on Sep. 18, 1861, and he was discharged at Louisville, KY Feb. 23, 1863 due to disability. I understand the document to say he was to reside at Memphis, TN working as a tailor, but in 1889 he entered the Veteran’s Home in Dayton, OH where he died May 4, 1910. His closest relative is listed as brother Trond (Jordanger) in Marifjora, Norway, but he is also said to be married leaving his widow Harriet Johaneson in Memphis, TN! > > Now I have three main questions: > > * Do we have on the list some military expert who can possibly locate more detailed information about Herman’s military service, for example where he resided when he enlisted and which battles he took part in? > > * I have looked all over for census information about Herman and/or Harriet Johaneson (and alternative spellings), but I come out entirely «blank». Not even the Memphis, TN city directories can be of any help. Maybe someone has better eyes than I do? > > * Finally, is it possible to locate an obituary for this Civil War veteran? > > Thanks a million in advance for your wonderful assistance in this matter! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > _______________________________________________

Dear Don and other Listers! Thanks a million, Don, for all the great information you have sent me off list about Herman Johaneson/Johnson and his «2nd» family. I am amazed with all you have found. I still need to organize my notes, but I have found some interesting details which may lead to obituaries? In particular would I like to mention, I discovered that Harriet and Herman must have divorced, since Harriet remarried in Memphis, TN Nov. 14, 1906 to Robert P. Payne, a railroad clerk from GA. He died in Memphis, TN already on Oct. 9, 1910, while Harriet Payne died in Memphis, TN on Apr. 15, 1921. Maybe there would also be obituaries for one or more of Herman and Harriet’s daughters, who all died in Memphis, TN as well: * Anna Nellie Jackson, died Mar. 26, 1923 * Jessie Stanton, died Mar. 17, 1923 * Lula Nora Hottum, died Aug. 23, 1928 Thanks again for your great assistance tracing this so very «elusive» family! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On May 6, 2018, at 3:52 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: > > Dear Don and other Listers! > > I cannot express my pleasure in words! Thanks a million, Don, for a wonderful message which brings me almost to Heaven of gratitude! I am highly impressed with your findings, and as I read your message, I see we just have to keep our eyes open for ALL possibilities, even when it comes to birth places. I quickly looked up Herman in the 1870 and 1880 censuses where you said he would be, and yes, one place born in SWEDEN, and one place born in IRELAND. And the 1900 census for Memphis, TN has Harriet’s children’s father born in INDIANA! > > And then I went to check the Indiana State marriage records which are online with ancestry.com <http://ancestry.com/>, and I found this: > > Harman JOHNSON and Harriet E. HETH were married in Floyd Co., IN June 23, 1863 (while he was still officially married to his wife in Norway!), and I find Harriet E. Heth in the 1850 census aged 6 residing with her parents in Corydon, Harrison Co., IN. > > Now I am of course very anxious to learn what more you have found out about Harriet and her children! I notice from the 1900 census she was the mother of eight children, with four living. By the way, I cannot find Harriet in 1910 or in any local death indexes… > > Thanks again, Don, for really making my day! Now I am going to have a late supper which I will enjoy thinking about all that great family history stuff! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> On May 6, 2018, at 1:08 PM, Don Angevine <dangevin@megalink.net> wrote: >> >> Polymyalgia Rheumatica Overview: >> Polymyalgia rheumatica is an inflammatory disorder that causes muscle pain and stiffness, especially in the shoulders. Symptoms of polymyalgia rheumatica (pol-e-my-AL-juh rue-MAT-ih-kuh) usually begin quickly and are worse in the morning. Most people who develop polymyalgia rheumatica are older than 65. It rarely affects people under 50. >> >> You may receive symptom relief by taking anti-inflammatory drugs called corticosteroids. But relapses are common, and you'll need to visit your doctor regularly to watch for serious side effects of these drugs. >> >> Polymyalgia rheumatica is related to another inflammatory disorder called giant cell arteritis, which can cause headaches, vision difficulties, jaw pain and scalp tenderness. It's possible to have both of these conditions together. >> >> Trigeminal Neuralgia Overview: >> Trigeminal neuralgia is a chronic pain condition that affects the trigeminal nerve, which carries sensation from your face to your brain. If you have trigeminal neuralgia, even mild stimulation of your face — such as from brushing your teeth or putting on makeup — may trigger a jolt of excruciating pain. >> >> You may initially experience short, mild attacks. But trigeminal neuralgia can progress and cause longer, more-frequent bouts of searing pain. Trigeminal neuralgia affects women more often than men, and it's more likely to occur in people who are older than 50. >> >> Because of the variety of treatment options available, having trigeminal neuralgia doesn't necessarily mean you're doomed to a life of pain. Doctors usually can effectively manage trigeminal neuralgia with medications, injections or surgery. >> > ~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> On May 6, 2018, at 1:06 PM, Don Angevine <dangevin@megalink.net <mailto:dangevin@megalink.net>> wrote: >> >> Lars, >> >> I have solved most of this query regarding Herman's wife and family, over the course of an intense 14 hour sitting! Having said that, I have not been successful in finding much of anything about the end of Herman's life. >> >> This has been one of the most challenging searches I have ever encountered, as the records for them are very inaccurate in many cases, regarding age, name changes -- they defaulted to "Johnson" -- and the use of first and middle names interchangeably for first names. Herman is shown to be from Sweden and Ireland in some cases. That would explain your difficulty if you were screwing your searches down too tightly, and excluding them inadvertently. >> >> I do not subscribe to any paid services, such as Ancestry.com <http://ancestry.com/>, so links to them are not useful to me. I will be sending you a flood of files off-List, and I'd appreciate it if you could copy and paste the info you have about Herman's last years to me as well. >> >> BTW, the Harriet Randall you found is not correct. I have not, as yet, found an actual marriage record, but Herman was married to Harriet Ellen Held from Croydon, Indiana. They had several children, their first, Anna, coming around the time of his military discharge. For a long time in my search there was a long gap in the ages of the children, after Anna, and all girls, until near the end of my looking last night, when I found other children, including at least a couple of males with very common names, thus difficult to winnow out. >> >> None of the women I followed were successful in marriage, using the common "Widowed" in the records instead of "Divorced". I believe that is also what happened to Herman and Harriet in the end. >> >> I followed three daughters to their death, two dying within one week in 1923, victims of a "lysteria" outbreak in the USA and Europe. It was the death certificate record for their first child, Anna, that tipped me off to their mother's maiden name, and got this search rolling. >> >> From the time of Herman's military discharge, they lived in Spencer County, Kentucky, then Montgomery County, Tennessee, and eventually Memphis, TN. He is listed as Taylor-Farmer or just as Taylor. >> >> Don in Maine USA >> > ~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> On May 5, 2018, at 2:36 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no <mailto:lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no>> wrote: >> >> Dear Listers! >> >> I have for many years been trying to figure out what happened to this guy from Hafslo who in 1861 left his wife and four children in Bergen, Norway to seek his fortune in America. Today I have finally managed to find his death notice, but details are hard to get by. Maybe someone can help me? >> >> Hermund Johannesson Jordanger - in America known as Herman Johaneson - was born in Hafslo, Norway Apr. 15, 1829. In the spring of 1861 he left Bergen, probably with Chicago, IL as his destination, but this document, which I found today: >> >> https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D1200%26h%3D68546%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DNzx8529%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D1200%26h%3D68546%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DNzx8529%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true> <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1200&h=68546&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1200&h=68546&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true>> >> >> shows that he enlisted in Wisconsin 16th Company B (another source says Wisconsin 15th) at Milwaukee, WI on Sep. 18, 1861, and he was discharged at Louisville, KY Feb. 23, 1863 due to disability. I understand the document to say he was to reside at Memphis, TN working as a tailor, but in 1889 he entered the Veteran’s Home in Dayton, OH where he died May 4, 1910. His closest relative is listed as brother Trond (Jordanger) in Marifjora, Norway, but he is also said to be married leaving his widow Harriet Johaneson in Memphis, TN! >> >> Now I have three main questions: >> >> * Do we have on the list some military expert who can possibly locate more detailed information about Herman’s military service, for example where he resided when he enlisted and which battles he took part in? >> >> * I have looked all over for census information about Herman and/or Harriet Johaneson (and alternative spellings), but I come out entirely «blank». Not even the Memphis, TN city directories can be of any help. Maybe someone has better eyes than I do? >> >> * Finally, is it possible to locate an obituary for this Civil War veteran? >> >> Thanks a million in advance for your wonderful assistance in this matter! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> _______________________________________________ >

Dear Don, Annette and other Listers! Thank you very much for your offline followup reports on the Herman Johaneson family, which I received this morning my time… I have worked my way thru them and updated my manuscript accordingly. I stil cannot quite believe we have found Herman’s 2nd family, and as far as I can see, Lula Hottum still has living descendants thru her daughter, the only known grandchild in Tennessee! I have a few additional comments: * It appears that Harriet operated her boarding house in Memphis, TN from before 1900 until her death in 1921. * And the 1910 census shows us that Harriet at that time only had THREE of eight children still living, so the 4th child still alive in 1900 must have died in between, whether it be William Albert Johnson, born KY 1867, or Lilly Pearl Johnson, born TN 1872? * Christopher and Lula Hottum must have divorced shortly after the turn of the century, since in 1906 Christopher remarried Grace Richardson with whom he had three more children. * Finally I found Anna and her husband Ed L. Jackson, a carpenter born in SC Dec. of 1851, living in Memphis, TN in 1900, and their marriage record shows up on Sep. 14, 1898. However, Ed seems to have died (or they divorced?), since by 1910 Anna was widowed, but the 1913 city directory lists her as «Mrs. E. L. Jackson»! I have had no success finding any additional information about this Ed L. Jackson, neither have I identified Robert P. Payne, Harriet’s 2nd husband, who in 1900 was a single railroad clerk in Memphis, TN, born in GA about 1852… Thanks again for your wonderful assistance tracing this family in a very «non-Norwegian» part of America! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On May 6, 2018, at 8:33 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: > > Dear Don and other Listers! > > Thanks a million, Don, for all the great information you have sent me off list about Herman Johaneson/Johnson and his «2nd» family. I am amazed with all you have found. I still need to organize my notes, but I have found some interesting details which may lead to obituaries? > > In particular would I like to mention, I discovered that Harriet and Herman must have divorced, since Harriet remarried in Memphis, TN Nov. 14, 1906 to Robert P. Payne, a railroad clerk from GA. He died in Memphis, TN already on Oct. 9, 1910, while Harriet Payne died in Memphis, TN on Apr. 15, 1921. > > Maybe there would also be obituaries for one or more of Herman and Harriet’s daughters, who all died in Memphis, TN as well: > > * Anna Nellie Jackson, died Mar. 26, 1923 > > * Jessie Stanton, died Mar. 17, 1923 > > * Lula Nora Hottum, died Aug. 23, 1928 > > Thanks again for your great assistance tracing this so very «elusive» family! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> On May 6, 2018, at 3:52 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no <mailto:lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no>> wrote: >> >> Dear Don and other Listers! >> >> I cannot express my pleasure in words! Thanks a million, Don, for a wonderful message which brings me almost to Heaven of gratitude! I am highly impressed with your findings, and as I read your message, I see we just have to keep our eyes open for ALL possibilities, even when it comes to birth places. I quickly looked up Herman in the 1870 and 1880 censuses where you said he would be, and yes, one place born in SWEDEN, and one place born in IRELAND. And the 1900 census for Memphis, TN has Harriet’s children’s father born in INDIANA! >> >> And then I went to check the Indiana State marriage records which are online with ancestry.com <http://ancestry.com/><http://ancestry.com/ <http://ancestry.com/>>, and I found this: >> >> Harman JOHNSON and Harriet E. HETH were married in Floyd Co., IN June 23, 1863 (while he was still officially married to his wife in Norway!), and I find Harriet E. Heth in the 1850 census aged 6 residing with her parents in Corydon, Harrison Co., IN. >> >> Now I am of course very anxious to learn what more you have found out about Harriet and her children! I notice from the 1900 census she was the mother of eight children, with four living. By the way, I cannot find Harriet in 1910 or in any local death indexes… >> >> Thanks again, Don, for really making my day! Now I am going to have a late supper which I will enjoy thinking about all that great family history stuff! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >>> On May 6, 2018, at 1:08 PM, Don Angevine <dangevin@megalink.net <mailto:dangevin@megalink.net>> wrote: >>> >>> Polymyalgia Rheumatica Overview: >>> Polymyalgia rheumatica is an inflammatory disorder that causes muscle pain and stiffness, especially in the shoulders. Symptoms of polymyalgia rheumatica (pol-e-my-AL-juh rue-MAT-ih-kuh) usually begin quickly and are worse in the morning. Most people who develop polymyalgia rheumatica are older than 65. It rarely affects people under 50. >>> >>> You may receive symptom relief by taking anti-inflammatory drugs called corticosteroids. But relapses are common, and you'll need to visit your doctor regularly to watch for serious side effects of these drugs. >>> >>> Polymyalgia rheumatica is related to another inflammatory disorder called giant cell arteritis, which can cause headaches, vision difficulties, jaw pain and scalp tenderness. It's possible to have both of these conditions together. >>> >>> Trigeminal Neuralgia Overview: >>> Trigeminal neuralgia is a chronic pain condition that affects the trigeminal nerve, which carries sensation from your face to your brain. If you have trigeminal neuralgia, even mild stimulation of your face — such as from brushing your teeth or putting on makeup — may trigger a jolt of excruciating pain. >>> >>> You may initially experience short, mild attacks. But trigeminal neuralgia can progress and cause longer, more-frequent bouts of searing pain. Trigeminal neuralgia affects women more often than men, and it's more likely to occur in people who are older than 50. >>> >>> Because of the variety of treatment options available, having trigeminal neuralgia doesn't necessarily mean you're doomed to a life of pain. Doctors usually can effectively manage trigeminal neuralgia with medications, injections or surgery. >>> >> ~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>> On May 6, 2018, at 1:06 PM, Don Angevine <dangevin@megalink.net <mailto:dangevin@megalink.net> <mailto:dangevin@megalink.net <mailto:dangevin@megalink.net>>> wrote: >>> >>> Lars, >>> >>> I have solved most of this query regarding Herman's wife and family, over the course of an intense 14 hour sitting! Having said that, I have not been successful in finding much of anything about the end of Herman's life. >>> >>> This has been one of the most challenging searches I have ever encountered, as the records for them are very inaccurate in many cases, regarding age, name changes -- they defaulted to "Johnson" -- and the use of first and middle names interchangeably for first names. Herman is shown to be from Sweden and Ireland in some cases. That would explain your difficulty if you were screwing your searches down too tightly, and excluding them inadvertently. >>> >>> I do not subscribe to any paid services, such as Ancestry.com <http://ancestry.com/> <http://ancestry.com/ <http://ancestry.com/>>, so links to them are not useful to me. I will be sending you a flood of files off-List, and I'd appreciate it if you could copy and paste the info you have about Herman's last years to me as well. >>> >>> BTW, the Harriet Randall you found is not correct. I have not, as yet, found an actual marriage record, but Herman was married to Harriet Ellen Held from Croydon, Indiana. They had several children, their first, Anna, coming around the time of his military discharge. For a long time in my search there was a long gap in the ages of the children, after Anna, and all girls, until near the end of my looking last night, when I found other children, including at least a couple of males with very common names, thus difficult to winnow out. >>> >>> None of the women I followed were successful in marriage, using the common "Widowed" in the records instead of "Divorced". I believe that is also what happened to Herman and Harriet in the end. >>> >>> I followed three daughters to their death, two dying within one week in 1923, victims of a "lysteria" outbreak in the USA and Europe. It was the death certificate record for their first child, Anna, that tipped me off to their mother's maiden name, and got this search rolling. >>> >>> From the time of Herman's military discharge, they lived in Spencer County, Kentucky, then Montgomery County, Tennessee, and eventually Memphis, TN. He is listed as Taylor-Farmer or just as Taylor. >>> >>> Don in Maine USA >>> >> ~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>> On May 5, 2018, at 2:36 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no <mailto:lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> <mailto:lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no <mailto:lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no>>> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Listers! >>> >>> I have for many years been trying to figure out what happened to this guy from Hafslo who in 1861 left his wife and four children in Bergen, Norway to seek his fortune in America. Today I have finally managed to find his death notice, but details are hard to get by. Maybe someone can help me? >>> >>> Hermund Johannesson Jordanger - in America known as Herman Johaneson - was born in Hafslo, Norway Apr. 15, 1829. In the spring of 1861 he left Bergen, probably with Chicago, IL as his destination, but this document, which I found today: >>> >>> https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D1200%26h%3D68546%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DNzx8529%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D1200%26h%3D68546%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DNzx8529%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true> <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D1200%26h%3D68546%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DNzx8529%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D1200%26h%3D68546%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DNzx8529%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true>> <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1200&h=68546&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1200&h=68546&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true><https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1200&h=68546&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1200&h=68546&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true>>> >>> >>> shows that he enlisted in Wisconsin 16th Company B (another source says Wisconsin 15th) at Milwaukee, WI on Sep. 18, 1861, and he was discharged at Louisville, KY Feb. 23, 1863 due to disability. I understand the document to say he was to reside at Memphis, TN working as a tailor, but in 1889 he entered the Veteran’s Home in Dayton, OH where he died May 4, 1910. His closest relative is listed as brother Trond (Jordanger) in Marifjora, Norway, but he is also said to be married leaving his widow Harriet Johaneson in Memphis, TN! >>> >>> Now I have three main questions: >>> >>> * Do we have on the list some military expert who can possibly locate more detailed information about Herman’s military service, for example where he resided when he enlisted and which battles he took part in? >>> >>> * I have looked all over for census information about Herman and/or Harriet Johaneson (and alternative spellings), but I come out entirely «blank». Not even the Memphis, TN city directories can be of any help. Maybe someone has better eyes than I do? >>> >>> * Finally, is it possible to locate an obituary for this Civil War veteran? >>> >>> Thanks a million in advance for your wonderful assistance in this matter! >>> >>> Very sincerely yours, >>> >>> Lars E. Oyane >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>

Lars, A wonderful source for Memphis records is the Shelby County Register of Deeds site. https://register.shelby.tn.us/index.php In addition to deeds it has birth marriage and death records, some city directories, and other good stuff, all free. 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Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: > Dear Don, Annette and other Listers! > > Thank you very much for your offline followup reports on the Herman > Johaneson family, which I received this morning my time… > > I have worked my way thru them and updated my manuscript accordingly. I > stil cannot quite believe we have found Herman’s 2nd family, and as far as I > can see, Lula Hottum still has living descendants thru her daughter, the > only known grandchild in Tennessee! > > I have a few additional comments: > > * It appears that Harriet operated her boarding house in Memphis, TN from > before 1900 until her death in 1921. > > * And the 1910 census shows us that Harriet at that time only had THREE of > eight children still living, so the 4th child still alive in 1900 must have > died in between, whether it be William Albert Johnson, born KY 1867, or > Lilly Pearl Johnson, born TN 1872? > > * Christopher and Lula Hottum must have divorced shortly after the turn of > the century, since in 1906 Christopher remarried Grace Richardson with whom > he had three more children. > > * Finally I found Anna and her husband Ed L. Jackson, a carpenter born in SC > Dec. of 1851, living in Memphis, TN in 1900, and their marriage record shows > up on Sep. 14, 1898. However, Ed seems to have died (or they divorced?), > since by 1910 Anna was widowed, but the 1913 city directory lists her as > «Mrs. E. L. Jackson»! > > I have had no success finding any additional information about this Ed L. > Jackson, neither have I identified Robert P. Payne, Harriet’s 2nd husband, > who in 1900 was a single railroad clerk in Memphis, TN, born in GA about > 1852… > > Thanks again for your wonderful assistance tracing this family in a very > «non-Norwegian» part of America! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> On May 6, 2018, at 8:33 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: >> >> Dear Don and other Listers! >> >> Thanks a million, Don, for all the great information you have sent me off >> list about Herman Johaneson/Johnson and his «2nd» family. I am amazed >> with all you have found. I still need to organize my notes, but I have >> found some interesting details which may lead to obituaries? >> >> In particular would I like to mention, I discovered that Harriet and >> Herman must have divorced, since Harriet remarried in Memphis, TN Nov. 14, >> 1906 to Robert P. Payne, a railroad clerk from GA. He died in Memphis, TN >> already on Oct. 9, 1910, while Harriet Payne died in Memphis, TN on Apr. >> 15, 1921. >> >> Maybe there would also be obituaries for one or more of Herman and >> Harriet’s daughters, who all died in Memphis, TN as well: >> >> * Anna Nellie Jackson, died Mar. 26, 1923 >> >> * Jessie Stanton, died Mar. 17, 1923 >> >> * Lula Nora Hottum, died Aug. 23, 1928 >> >> Thanks again for your great assistance tracing this so very «elusive» >> family! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >>> On May 6, 2018, at 3:52 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no >>> <mailto:lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no>> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Don and other Listers! >>> >>> I cannot express my pleasure in words! Thanks a million, Don, for a >>> wonderful message which brings me almost to Heaven of gratitude! I am >>> highly impressed with your findings, and as I read your message, I see we >>> just have to keep our eyes open for ALL possibilities, even when it comes >>> to birth places. I quickly looked up Herman in the 1870 and 1880 >>> censuses where you said he would be, and yes, one place born in SWEDEN, >>> and one place born in IRELAND. And the 1900 census for Memphis, TN has >>> Harriet’s children’s father born in INDIANA! >>> >>> And then I went to check the Indiana State marriage records which are >>> online with ancestry.com <http://ancestry.com/><http://ancestry.com/ >>> <http://ancestry.com/>>, and I found this: >>> >>> Harman JOHNSON and Harriet E. HETH were married in Floyd Co., IN June 23, >>> 1863 (while he was still officially married to his wife in Norway!), and >>> I find Harriet E. Heth in the 1850 census aged 6 residing with her >>> parents in Corydon, Harrison Co., IN. >>> >>> Now I am of course very anxious to learn what more you have found out >>> about Harriet and her children! I notice from the 1900 census she was >>> the mother of eight children, with four living. By the way, I cannot >>> find Harriet in 1910 or in any local death indexes… >>> >>> Thanks again, Don, for really making my day! Now I am going to have a >>> late supper which I will enjoy thinking about all that great family >>> history stuff! >>> >>> Very sincerely yours, >>> >>> Lars E. Oyane >>> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>>> On May 6, 2018, at 1:08 PM, Don Angevine <dangevin@megalink.net >>>> <mailto:dangevin@megalink.net>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Polymyalgia Rheumatica Overview: >>>> Polymyalgia rheumatica is an inflammatory disorder that causes muscle >>>> pain and stiffness, especially in the shoulders. Symptoms of polymyalgia >>>> rheumatica (pol-e-my-AL-juh rue-MAT-ih-kuh) usually begin quickly and >>>> are worse in the morning. Most people who develop polymyalgia rheumatica >>>> are older than 65. It rarely affects people under 50. >>>> >>>> You may receive symptom relief by taking anti-inflammatory drugs called >>>> corticosteroids. But relapses are common, and you'll need to visit your >>>> doctor regularly to watch for serious side effects of these drugs. >>>> >>>> Polymyalgia rheumatica is related to another inflammatory disorder >>>> called giant cell arteritis, which can cause headaches, vision >>>> difficulties, jaw pain and scalp tenderness. It's possible to have both >>>> of these conditions together. >>>> >>>> Trigeminal Neuralgia Overview: >>>> Trigeminal neuralgia is a chronic pain condition that affects the >>>> trigeminal nerve, which carries sensation from your face to your brain. >>>> If you have trigeminal neuralgia, even mild stimulation of your face — >>>> such as from brushing your teeth or putting on makeup — may trigger a >>>> jolt of excruciating pain. >>>> >>>> You may initially experience short, mild attacks. But trigeminal >>>> neuralgia can progress and cause longer, more-frequent bouts of searing >>>> pain. Trigeminal neuralgia affects women more often than men, and it's >>>> more likely to occur in people who are older than 50. >>>> >>>> Because of the variety of treatment options available, having trigeminal >>>> neuralgia doesn't necessarily mean you're doomed to a life of pain. >>>> Doctors usually can effectively manage trigeminal neuralgia with >>>> medications, injections or surgery. >>>> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~ >>>> >>>> On May 6, 2018, at 1:06 PM, Don Angevine <dangevin@megalink.net >>>> <mailto:dangevin@megalink.net> <mailto:dangevin@megalink.net >>>> <mailto:dangevin@megalink.net>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Lars, >>>> >>>> I have solved most of this query regarding Herman's wife and family, >>>> over the course of an intense 14 hour sitting! Having said that, I have >>>> not been successful in finding much of anything about the end of >>>> Herman's life. >>>> >>>> This has been one of the most challenging searches I have ever >>>> encountered, as the records for them are very inaccurate in many cases, >>>> regarding age, name changes -- they defaulted to "Johnson" -- and the >>>> use of first and middle names interchangeably for first names. Herman is >>>> shown to be from Sweden and Ireland in some cases. That would explain >>>> your difficulty if you were screwing your searches down too tightly, and >>>> excluding them inadvertently. >>>> >>>> I do not subscribe to any paid services, such as Ancestry.com >>>> <http://ancestry.com/> <http://ancestry.com/ <http://ancestry.com/>>, so >>>> links to them are not useful to me. I will be sending you a flood of >>>> files off-List, and I'd appreciate it if you could copy and paste the >>>> info you have about Herman's last years to me as well. >>>> >>>> BTW, the Harriet Randall you found is not correct. I have not, as yet, >>>> found an actual marriage record, but Herman was married to Harriet Ellen >>>> Held from Croydon, Indiana. They had several children, their first, >>>> Anna, coming around the time of his military discharge. For a long time >>>> in my search there was a long gap in the ages of the children, after >>>> Anna, and all girls, until near the end of my looking last night, when I >>>> found other children, including at least a couple of males with very >>>> common names, thus difficult to winnow out. >>>> >>>> None of the women I followed were successful in marriage, using the >>>> common "Widowed" in the records instead of "Divorced". I believe that is >>>> also what happened to Herman and Harriet in the end. >>>> >>>> I followed three daughters to their death, two dying within one week in >>>> 1923, victims of a "lysteria" outbreak in the USA and Europe. It was the >>>> death certificate record for their first child, Anna, that tipped me off >>>> to their mother's maiden name, and got this search rolling. >>>> >>>> From the time of Herman's military discharge, they lived in Spencer >>>> County, Kentucky, then Montgomery County, Tennessee, and eventually >>>> Memphis, TN. He is listed as Taylor-Farmer or just as Taylor. >>>> >>>> Don in Maine USA >>>> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~ >>>> >>>> On May 5, 2018, at 2:36 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no >>>> <mailto:lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> <mailto:lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no >>>> <mailto:lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Listers! >>>> >>>> I have for many years been trying to figure out what happened to this >>>> guy from Hafslo who in 1861 left his wife and four children in Bergen, >>>> Norway to seek his fortune in America. Today I have finally managed to >>>> find his death notice, but details are hard to get by. Maybe someone >>>> can help me? >>>> >>>> Hermund Johannesson Jordanger - in America known as Herman Johaneson - >>>> was born in Hafslo, Norway Apr. 15, 1829. In the spring of 1861 he left >>>> Bergen, probably with Chicago, IL as his destination, but this document, >>>> which I found today: >>>> >>>> https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D1200%26h%3D68546%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DNzx8529%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true >>>> <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D1200%26h%3D68546%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DNzx8529%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true> >>>> <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D1200%26h%3D68546%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DNzx8529%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true >>>> <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D1200%26h%3D68546%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DNzx8529%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true>> >>>> <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1200&h=68546&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true >>>> <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1200&h=68546&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true><https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1200&h=68546&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true >>>> <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1200&h=68546&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true>>> >>>> >>>> shows that he enlisted in Wisconsin 16th Company B (another source says >>>> Wisconsin 15th) at Milwaukee, WI on Sep. 18, 1861, and he was discharged >>>> at Louisville, KY Feb. 23, 1863 due to disability. I understand the >>>> document to say he was to reside at Memphis, TN working as a tailor, but >>>> in 1889 he entered the Veteran’s Home in Dayton, OH where he died May 4, >>>> 1910. His closest relative is listed as brother Trond (Jordanger) in >>>> Marifjora, Norway, but he is also said to be married leaving his widow >>>> Harriet Johaneson in Memphis, TN! >>>> >>>> Now I have three main questions: >>>> >>>> * Do we have on the list some military expert who can possibly locate >>>> more detailed information about Herman’s military service, for example >>>> where he resided when he enlisted and which battles he took part in? >>>> >>>> * I have looked all over for census information about Herman and/or >>>> Harriet Johaneson (and alternative spellings), but I come out entirely >>>> «blank». Not even the Memphis, TN city directories can be of any help. >>>> Maybe someone has better eyes than I do? >>>> >>>> * Finally, is it possible to locate an obituary for this Civil War >>>> veteran? >>>> >>>> Thanks a million in advance for your wonderful assistance in this >>>> matter! >>>> >>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>> >>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> > >

Dear Annette, Don and other Listers! Thank you very much for your latest messages on this topic, Annette on the list and Don off list! Hadn’t it been for Don’s brilliant research, I would never have found Herman Johaneson (Johnson)'s family in Memphis, TN. Thanks again Don for being part of the list, and thanks also to the rest of you brilliant researchers who have so often given me breathtaking assistance tracing various families! Whoever finds the gold mine! As far as the Memphis records site is c0ncerned, it has already produced its 1st result, the death record of Ed L. Jackson who married Anna, Herman and Harriet’s oldest daughter: https://register.shelby.tn.us/imgView.php?imgtype=pdf&id=8981902042951 This record is available neither on ancestry nor on FamilySearch, which is proof enough for me; it’s a great site! Thanks again, Annette, for sharing with us! A quick call to the Forest Hill cemetery confirmed that Ed and Anna are indeed buried next to each other in the same grave lot! And Robert Payne, Harriet’s 2nd husband, is there as well, in the very same lot and possibly other relatives...! And another possible «hit» with the Memphis site is this death record of W. A. Johnson, a widowed shingle maker who died Mar. 4, 1905, said being born in KY Apr. 17, 1866. Could very well be Herman and Harriet’s son, William Albert, still alive in 1900 and dead by 1910: https://register.shelby.tn.us/imgView.php?imgtype=pdf&id=71081905030438 I notice he had been a resident of Memphis for just 10 days, coming there from Frenchmans Bayou, AR, so maybe he is not the one after all… Or maybe he had resided in Memphis even before moving to AR? Frenchmans Bayou, AR is just 30 miles from Memphis!! Boy, had I only been in the area to check the records myself. Or walk that Forest Hill cemetery to look at the graves in Section 11, Lot 21… Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On May 7, 2018, at 6:55 PM, Annette Bowen <annette.bowen@gmail.com> wrote: > > Lars, > A wonderful source for Memphis records is the Shelby County Register > of Deeds site. > > https://register.shelby.tn.us/index.php > > In addition to deeds it has birth marriage and death records, some > city directories, and other good stuff, all free. > > Annette ~~~~~~~~~~ > > On 5/7/18, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: >> Dear Don, Annette and other Listers! >> >> Thank you very much for your offline followup reports on the Herman >> Johaneson family, which I received this morning my time… >> >> I have worked my way thru them and updated my manuscript accordingly. I >> stil cannot quite believe we have found Herman’s 2nd family, and as far as I >> can see, Lula Hottum still has living descendants thru her daughter, the >> only known grandchild in Tennessee! >> >> I have a few additional comments: >> >> * It appears that Harriet operated her boarding house in Memphis, TN from >> before 1900 until her death in 1921. >> >> * And the 1910 census shows us that Harriet at that time only had THREE of >> eight children still living, so the 4th child still alive in 1900 must have >> died in between, whether it be William Albert Johnson, born KY 1867, or >> Lilly Pearl Johnson, born TN 1872? >> >> * Christopher and Lula Hottum must have divorced shortly after the turn of >> the century, since in 1906 Christopher remarried Grace Richardson with whom >> he had three more children. >> >> * Finally I found Anna and her husband Ed L. Jackson, a carpenter born in SC >> Dec. of 1851, living in Memphis, TN in 1900, and their marriage record shows >> up on Sep. 14, 1898. However, Ed seems to have died (or they divorced?), >> since by 1910 Anna was widowed, but the 1913 city directory lists her as >> «Mrs. E. L. Jackson»! >> >> I have had no success finding any additional information about this Ed L. >> Jackson, neither have I identified Robert P. Payne, Harriet’s 2nd husband, >> who in 1900 was a single railroad clerk in Memphis, TN, born in GA about >> 1852… >> >> Thanks again for your wonderful assistance tracing this family in a very >> «non-Norwegian» part of America! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >>> On May 6, 2018, at 8:33 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Don and other Listers! >>> >>> Thanks a million, Don, for all the great information you have sent me off >>> list about Herman Johaneson/Johnson and his «2nd» family. I am amazed >>> with all you have found. I still need to organize my notes, but I have >>> found some interesting details which may lead to obituaries? >>> >>> In particular would I like to mention, I discovered that Harriet and >>> Herman must have divorced, since Harriet remarried in Memphis, TN Nov. 14, >>> 1906 to Robert P. Payne, a railroad clerk from GA. He died in Memphis, TN >>> already on Oct. 9, 1910, while Harriet Payne died in Memphis, TN on Apr. >>> 15, 1921. >>> >>> Maybe there would also be obituaries for one or more of Herman and >>> Harriet’s daughters, who all died in Memphis, TN as well: >>> >>> * Anna Nellie Jackson, died Mar. 26, 1923 >>> >>> * Jessie Stanton, died Mar. 17, 1923 >>> >>> * Lula Nora Hottum, died Aug. 23, 1928 >>> >>> Thanks again for your great assistance tracing this so very «elusive» >>> family! >>> >>> Very sincerely yours, >>> >>> Lars E. Oyane >>> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>>> On May 6, 2018, at 3:52 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no >>>> <mailto:lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Don and other Listers! >>>> >>>> I cannot express my pleasure in words! Thanks a million, Don, for a >>>> wonderful message which brings me almost to Heaven of gratitude! I am >>>> highly impressed with your findings, and as I read your message, I see we >>>> just have to keep our eyes open for ALL possibilities, even when it comes >>>> to birth places. I quickly looked up Herman in the 1870 and 1880 >>>> censuses where you said he would be, and yes, one place born in SWEDEN, >>>> and one place born in IRELAND. And the 1900 census for Memphis, TN has >>>> Harriet’s children’s father born in INDIANA! >>>> >>>> And then I went to check the Indiana State marriage records which are >>>> online with ancestry.com <http://ancestry.com/><http://ancestry.com/ >>>> <http://ancestry.com/>>, and I found this: >>>> >>>> Harman JOHNSON and Harriet E. HETH were married in Floyd Co., IN June 23, >>>> 1863 (while he was still officially married to his wife in Norway!), and >>>> I find Harriet E. Heth in the 1850 census aged 6 residing with her >>>> parents in Corydon, Harrison Co., IN. >>>> >>>> Now I am of course very anxious to learn what more you have found out >>>> about Harriet and her children! I notice from the 1900 census she was >>>> the mother of eight children, with four living. By the way, I cannot >>>> find Harriet in 1910 or in any local death indexes… >>>> >>>> Thanks again, Don, for really making my day! Now I am going to have a >>>> late supper which I will enjoy thinking about all that great family >>>> history stuff! >>>> >>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>> >>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>> >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>> >>>>> On May 6, 2018, at 1:08 PM, Don Angevine <dangevin@megalink.net >>>>> <mailto:dangevin@megalink.net>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Polymyalgia Rheumatica Overview: >>>>> Polymyalgia rheumatica is an inflammatory disorder that causes muscle >>>>> pain and stiffness, especially in the shoulders. Symptoms of polymyalgia >>>>> rheumatica (pol-e-my-AL-juh rue-MAT-ih-kuh) usually begin quickly and >>>>> are worse in the morning. Most people who develop polymyalgia rheumatica >>>>> are older than 65. It rarely affects people under 50. >>>>> >>>>> You may receive symptom relief by taking anti-inflammatory drugs called >>>>> corticosteroids. But relapses are common, and you'll need to visit your >>>>> doctor regularly to watch for serious side effects of these drugs. >>>>> >>>>> Polymyalgia rheumatica is related to another inflammatory disorder >>>>> called giant cell arteritis, which can cause headaches, vision >>>>> difficulties, jaw pain and scalp tenderness. It's possible to have both >>>>> of these conditions together. >>>>> >>>>> Trigeminal Neuralgia Overview: >>>>> Trigeminal neuralgia is a chronic pain condition that affects the >>>>> trigeminal nerve, which carries sensation from your face to your brain. >>>>> If you have trigeminal neuralgia, even mild stimulation of your face — >>>>> such as from brushing your teeth or putting on makeup — may trigger a >>>>> jolt of excruciating pain. >>>>> >>>>> You may initially experience short, mild attacks. But trigeminal >>>>> neuralgia can progress and cause longer, more-frequent bouts of searing >>>>> pain. Trigeminal neuralgia affects women more often than men, and it's >>>>> more likely to occur in people who are older than 50. >>>>> >>>>> Because of the variety of treatment options available, having trigeminal >>>>> neuralgia doesn't necessarily mean you're doomed to a life of pain. >>>>> Doctors usually can effectively manage trigeminal neuralgia with >>>>> medications, injections or surgery. >>>>> >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>> >>>>> On May 6, 2018, at 1:06 PM, Don Angevine <dangevin@megalink.net >>>>> <mailto:dangevin@megalink.net> <mailto:dangevin@megalink.net >>>>> <mailto:dangevin@megalink.net>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Lars, >>>>> >>>>> I have solved most of this query regarding Herman's wife and family, >>>>> over the course of an intense 14 hour sitting! Having said that, I have >>>>> not been successful in finding much of anything about the end of >>>>> Herman's life. >>>>> >>>>> This has been one of the most challenging searches I have ever >>>>> encountered, as the records for them are very inaccurate in many cases, >>>>> regarding age, name changes -- they defaulted to "Johnson" -- and the >>>>> use of first and middle names interchangeably for first names. Herman is >>>>> shown to be from Sweden and Ireland in some cases. That would explain >>>>> your difficulty if you were screwing your searches down too tightly, and >>>>> excluding them inadvertently. >>>>> >>>>> I do not subscribe to any paid services, such as Ancestry.com >>>>> <http://ancestry.com/> <http://ancestry.com/ <http://ancestry.com/>>, so >>>>> links to them are not useful to me. I will be sending you a flood of >>>>> files off-List, and I'd appreciate it if you could copy and paste the >>>>> info you have about Herman's last years to me as well. >>>>> >>>>> BTW, the Harriet Randall you found is not correct. I have not, as yet, >>>>> found an actual marriage record, but Herman was married to Harriet Ellen >>>>> Held from Croydon, Indiana. They had several children, their first, >>>>> Anna, coming around the time of his military discharge. For a long time >>>>> in my search there was a long gap in the ages of the children, after >>>>> Anna, and all girls, until near the end of my looking last night, when I >>>>> found other children, including at least a couple of males with very >>>>> common names, thus difficult to winnow out. >>>>> >>>>> None of the women I followed were successful in marriage, using the >>>>> common "Widowed" in the records instead of "Divorced". I believe that is >>>>> also what happened to Herman and Harriet in the end. >>>>> >>>>> I followed three daughters to their death, two dying within one week in >>>>> 1923, victims of a "lysteria" outbreak in the USA and Europe. It was the >>>>> death certificate record for their first child, Anna, that tipped me off >>>>> to their mother's maiden name, and got this search rolling. >>>>> >>>>> From the time of Herman's military discharge, they lived in Spencer >>>>> County, Kentucky, then Montgomery County, Tennessee, and eventually >>>>> Memphis, TN. He is listed as Taylor-Farmer or just as Taylor. >>>>> >>>>> Don in Maine USA >>>>> >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>> >>>>> On May 5, 2018, at 2:36 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no >>>>> <mailto:lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> <mailto:lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no >>>>> <mailto:lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear Listers! >>>>> >>>>> I have for many years been trying to figure out what happened to this >>>>> guy from Hafslo who in 1861 left his wife and four children in Bergen, >>>>> Norway to seek his fortune in America. Today I have finally managed to >>>>> find his death notice, but details are hard to get by. Maybe someone >>>>> can help me? >>>>> >>>>> Hermund Johannesson Jordanger - in America known as Herman Johaneson - >>>>> was born in Hafslo, Norway Apr. 15, 1829. In the spring of 1861 he left >>>>> Bergen, probably with Chicago, IL as his destination, but this document, >>>>> which I found today: >>>>> >>>>> https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D1200%26h%3D68546%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DNzx8529%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true >>>>> <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D1200%26h%3D68546%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DNzx8529%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true> >>>>> <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D1200%26h%3D68546%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DNzx8529%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true >>>>> <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D1200%26h%3D68546%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DNzx8529%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true>> >>>>> <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1200&h=68546&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true >>>>> <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1200&h=68546&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true><https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1200&h=68546&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true >>>>> <https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1200/MIUSA1866_113752-00593?pid=68546&backurl=https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1200&h=68546&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Nzx8529&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true>>> >>>>> >>>>> shows that he enlisted in Wisconsin 16th Company B (another source says >>>>> Wisconsin 15th) at Milwaukee, WI on Sep. 18, 1861, and he was discharged >>>>> at Louisville, KY Feb. 23, 1863 due to disability. I understand the >>>>> document to say he was to reside at Memphis, TN working as a tailor, but >>>>> in 1889 he entered the Veteran’s Home in Dayton, OH where he died May 4, >>>>> 1910. His closest relative is listed as brother Trond (Jordanger) in >>>>> Marifjora, Norway, but he is also said to be married leaving his widow >>>>> Harriet Johaneson in Memphis, TN! >>>>> >>>>> Now I have three main questions: >>>>> >>>>> * Do we have on the list some military expert who can possibly locate >>>>> more detailed information about Herman’s military service, for example >>>>> where he resided when he enlisted and which battles he took part in? >>>>> >>>>> * I have looked all over for census information about Herman and/or >>>>> Harriet Johaneson (and alternative spellings), but I come out entirely >>>>> «blank». Not even the Memphis, TN city directories can be of any help. >>>>> Maybe someone has better eyes than I do? >>>>> >>>>> * Finally, is it possible to locate an obituary for this Civil War >>>>> veteran? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks a million in advance for your wonderful assistance in this >>>>> matter! >>>>> >>>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>>> >>>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________

Dear Listers! This family in Memphis, TN continues to surprise me! I have today again talked to the cemetery office on Elvis Presley Avenue in Memphis (the King’s house is just up on the hill from the cemetery, and Elvis Presley was indeed first buried in this very same cemetery!), and it turns out just about the whole family is buried in that same cemetery lot 21 in Section 11. At least seven graves have by now been counted for, and interesting is to see that even Harriet was moved from a different location to the same lot as late as in 1984! But today’s surprise was the discovery of the son: William A. Johnson. He was buried in the family lot on Dec. 7, 1903 after having passed away from consumption at El Paso, TX on Nov. 30, 1903 at the age of 35: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9Y1Z-XHL?i=560&cc=1983324 It says he had been there for two weeks, and that he was born at Taylorville, KY, which is correct. The only thing we don’t learn is whether he was married! Maybe someone can figure that out? He must have lived in Memphis at the time of the 1900 census! Thanks again for your wonderful assistance completing these «tough» Norwegian biographies! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On May 8, 2018, at 12:15 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: > > Dear Annette, Don and other Listers! > > Thank you very much for your latest messages on this topic, Annette on the list and Don off list! > > Hadn’t it been for Don’s brilliant research, I would never have found Herman Johaneson (Johnson)'s family in Memphis, TN. Thanks again Don for being part of the list, and thanks also to the rest of you brilliant researchers who have so often given me breathtaking assistance tracing various families! Whoever finds the gold mine! > > As far as the Memphis records site is c0ncerned, it has already produced its 1st result, the death record of Ed L. Jackson who married Anna, Herman and Harriet’s oldest daughter: > > https://register.shelby.tn.us/imgView.php?imgtype=pdf&id=8981902042951 > > This record is available neither on ancestry nor on FamilySearch, which is proof enough for me; it’s a great site! Thanks again, Annette, for sharing with us! > > A quick call to the Forest Hill cemetery confirmed that Ed and Anna are indeed buried next to each other in the same grave lot! And Robert Payne, Harriet’s 2nd husband, is there as well, in the very same lot and possibly other relatives...! > > And another possible «hit» with the Memphis site is this death record of W. A. Johnson, a widowed shingle maker who died Mar. 4, 1905, said being born in KY Apr. 17, 1866. Could very well be Herman and Harriet’s son, William Albert, still alive in 1900 and dead by 1910: > > https://register.shelby.tn.us/imgView.php?imgtype=pdf&id=71081905030438 > > I notice he had been a resident of Memphis for just 10 days, coming there from Frenchmans Bayou, AR, so maybe he is not the one after all… Or maybe he had resided in Memphis even before moving to AR? Frenchmans Bayou, AR is just 30 miles from Memphis!! > > Boy, had I only been in the area to check the records myself. Or walk that Forest Hill cemetery to look at the graves in Section 11, Lot 21… > > Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> On May 7, 2018, at 6:55 PM, Annette Bowen <annette.bowen@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Lars, >> A wonderful source for Memphis records is the Shelby County Register >> of Deeds site. >> >> https://register.shelby.tn.us/index.php >> >> In addition to deeds it has birth marriage and death records, some >> city directories, and other good stuff, all free. >> >> Annette > > ~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> On 5/7/18, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: >>> Dear Don, Annette and other Listers! >>> >>> Thank you very much for your offline followup reports on the Herman >>> Johaneson family, which I received this morning my time… >>> >>> I have worked my way thru them and updated my manuscript accordingly. I >>> stil cannot quite believe we have found Herman’s 2nd family, and as far as I >>> can see, Lula Hottum still has living descendants thru her daughter, the >>> only known grandchild in Tennessee! >>> >>> I have a few additional comments: >>> >>> * It appears that Harriet operated her boarding house in Memphis, TN from >>> before 1900 until her death in 1921. >>> >>> * And the 1910 census shows us that Harriet at that time only had THREE of >>> eight children still living, so the 4th child still alive in 1900 must have >>> died in between, whether it be William Albert Johnson, born KY 1867, or >>> Lilly Pearl Johnson, born TN 1872? >>> >>> * Christopher and Lula Hottum must have divorced shortly after the turn of >>> the century, since in 1906 Christopher remarried Grace Richardson with whom >>> he had three more children. >>> >>> * Finally I found Anna and her husband Ed L. Jackson, a carpenter born in SC >>> Dec. of 1851, living in Memphis, TN in 1900, and their marriage record shows >>> up on Sep. 14, 1898. However, Ed seems to have died (or they divorced?), >>> since by 1910 Anna was widowed, but the 1913 city directory lists her as >>> «Mrs. E. L. Jackson»! >>> >>> I have had no success finding any additional information about this Ed L. >>> Jackson, neither have I identified Robert P. Payne, Harriet’s 2nd husband, >>> who in 1900 was a single railroad clerk in Memphis, TN, born in GA about >>> 1852… >>> >>> Thanks again for your wonderful assistance tracing this family in a very >>> «non-Norwegian» part of America! >>> >>> Very sincerely yours, >>> >>> Lars E. Oyane >>> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>>> On May 6, 2018, at 8:33 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Don and other Listers! >>>> >>>> Thanks a million, Don, for all the great information you have sent me off >>>> list about Herman Johaneson/Johnson and his «2nd» family. I am amazed >>>> with all you have found. I still need to organize my notes, but I have >>>> found some interesting details which may lead to obituaries? >>>> >>>> In particular would I like to mention, I discovered that Harriet and >>>> Herman must have divorced, since Harriet remarried in Memphis, TN Nov. 14, >>>> 1906 to Robert P. Payne, a railroad clerk from GA. He died in Memphis, TN >>>> already on Oct. 9, 1910, while Harriet Payne died in Memphis, TN on Apr. >>>> 15, 1921. >>>> >>>> Maybe there would also be obituaries for one or more of Herman and >>>> Harriet’s daughters, who all died in Memphis, TN as well: >>>> >>>> * Anna Nellie Jackson, died Mar. 26, 1923 >>>> >>>> * Jessie Stanton, died Mar. 17, 1923 >>>> >>>> * Lula Nora Hottum, died Aug. 23, 1928 >>>> >>>> Thanks again for your great assistance tracing this so very «elusive» >>>> family! >>>> >>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>> >>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>> >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>> >>>>> On May 6, 2018, at 3:52 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no >>>>> <mailto:lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear Don and other Listers! >>>>> >>>>> I cannot express my pleasure in words! Thanks a million, Don, for a >>>>> wonderful message which brings me almost to Heaven of gratitude! I am >>>>> highly impressed with your findings, and as I read your message, I see we >>>>> just have to keep our eyes open for ALL possibilities, even when it comes >>>>> to birth places. I quickly looked up Herman in the 1870 and 1880 >>>>> censuses where you said he would be, and yes, one place born in SWEDEN, >>>>> and one place born in IRELAND. And the 1900 census for Memphis, TN has >>>>> Harriet’s children’s father born in INDIANA! >>>>> >>>>> And then I went to check the Indiana State marriage records which are >>>>> online with ancestry.com <http://ancestry.com/><http://ancestry.com/ >>>>> <http://ancestry.com/>>, and I found this: >>>>> >>>>> Harman JOHNSON and Harriet E. HETH were married in Floyd Co., IN June 23, >>>>> 1863 (while he was still officially married to his wife in Norway!), and >>>>> I find Harriet E. Heth in the 1850 census aged 6 residing with her >>>>> parents in Corydon, Harrison Co., IN. >>>>> >>>>> Now I am of course very anxious to learn what more you have found out >>>>> about Harriet and her children! I notice from the 1900 census she was >>>>> the mother of eight children, with four living. By the way, I cannot >>>>> find Harriet in 1910 or in any local death indexes… >>>>> >>>>> Thanks again, Don, for really making my day! Now I am going to have a >>>>> late supper which I will enjoy thinking about all that great family >>>>> history stuff! >>>>> >>>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>>> >>>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>>> >>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>> >>>>>> On May 6, 2018, at 1:08 PM, Don Angevine <dangevin@megalink.net >>>>>> <mailto:dangevin@megalink.net>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Polymyalgia Rheumatica Overview: >>>>>> Polymyalgia rheumatica is an inflammatory disorder that causes muscle >>>>>> pain and stiffness, especially in the shoulders. Symptoms of polymyalgia >>>>>> rheumatica (pol-e-my-AL-juh rue-MAT-ih-kuh) usually begin quickly and >>>>>> are worse in the morning. Most people who develop polymyalgia rheumatica >>>>>> are older than 65. It rarely affects people under 50. >>>>>> >>>>>> You may receive symptom relief by taking anti-inflammatory drugs called >>>>>> corticosteroids. But relapses are common, and you'll need to visit your >>>>>> doctor regularly to watch for serious side effects of these drugs. >>>>>> >>>>>> Polymyalgia rheumatica is related to another inflammatory disorder >>>>>> called giant cell arteritis, which can cause headaches, vision >>>>>> difficulties, jaw pain and scalp tenderness. It's possible to have both >>>>>> of these conditions together. >>>>>> >>>>>> Trigeminal Neuralgia Overview: >>>>>> Trigeminal neuralgia is a chronic pain condition that affects the >>>>>> trigeminal nerve, which carries sensation from your face to your brain. >>>>>> If you have trigeminal neuralgia, even mild stimulation of your face — >>>>>> such as from brushing your teeth or putting on makeup — may trigger a >>>>>> jolt of excruciating pain. >>>>>> >>>>>> You may initially experience short, mild attacks. But trigeminal >>>>>> neuralgia can progress and cause longer, more-frequent bouts of searing >>>>>> pain. Trigeminal neuralgia affects women more often than men, and it's >>>>>> more likely to occur in people who are older than 50. >>>>>> >>>>>> Because of the variety of treatment options available, having trigeminal >>>>>> neuralgia doesn't necessarily mean you're doomed to a life of pain. >>>>>> Doctors usually can effectively manage trigeminal neuralgia with >>>>>> medications, injections or surgery. >>>>>> >>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 6, 2018, at 1:06 PM, Don Angevine <dangevin@megalink.net >>>>>> <mailto:dangevin@megalink.net> <mailto:dangevin@megalink.net >>>>>> <mailto:dangevin@megalink.net>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Lars, >>>>>> >>>>>> I have solved most of this query regarding Herman's wife and family, >>>>>> over the course of an intense 14 hour sitting! Having said that, I have >>>>>> not been successful in finding much of anything about the end of >>>>>> Herman's life. >>>>>> >>>>>> This has been one of the most challenging searches I have ever >>>>>> encountered, as the records for them are very inaccurate in many cases, >>>>>> regarding age, name changes -- they defaulted to "Johnson" -- and the >>>>>> use of first and middle names interchangeably for first names. Herman is >>>>>> shown to be from Sweden and Ireland in some cases. That would explain >>>>>> your difficulty if you were screwing your searches down too tightly, and >>>>>> excluding them inadvertently. >>>>>> >>>>>> I do not subscribe to any paid services, such as Ancestry.com >>>>>> <http://ancestry.com/> <http://ancestry.com/ <http://ancestry.com/>>, so >>>>>> links to them are not useful to me. I will be sending you a flood of >>>>>> files off-List, and I'd appreciate it if you could copy and paste the >>>>>> info you have about Herman's last years to me as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> BTW, the Harriet Randall you found is not correct. I have not, as yet, >>>>>> found an actual marriage record, but Herman was married to Harriet Ellen >>>>>> Held from Croydon, Indiana. They had several children, their first, >>>>>> Anna, coming around the time of his military discharge. For a long time >>>>>> in my search there was a long gap in the ages of the children, after >>>>>> Anna, and all girls, until near the end of my looking last night, when I >>>>>> found other children, including at least a couple of males with very >>>>>> common names, thus difficult to winnow out. >>>>>> >>>>>> None of the women I followed were successful in marriage, using the >>>>>> common "Widowed" in the records instead of "Divorced". I believe that is >>>>>> also what happened to Herman and Harriet in the end. >>>>>> >>>>>> I followed three daughters to their death, two dying within one week in >>>>>> 1923, victims of a "lysteria" outbreak in the USA and Europe. It was the >>>>>> death certificate record for their first child, Anna, that tipped me off >>>>>> to their mother's maiden name, and got this search rolling. >>>>>> >>>>>> From the time of Herman's military discharge, they lived in Spencer >>>>>> County, Kentucky, then Montgomery County, Tennessee, and eventually >>>>>> Memphis, TN. He is listed as Taylor-Farmer or just as Taylor. >>>>>> >>>>>> Don in Maine USA >>>>>> >>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 5, 2018, at 2:36 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no >>>>>> <mailto:lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> <mailto:lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no >>>>>> <mailto:lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Listers! >>>>>> >>>>>> I have for many years been trying to figure out what happened to this >>>>>> guy from Hafslo who in 1861 left his wife and four children in Bergen, >>>>>> Norway to seek his fortune in America. Today I have finally managed to >>>>>> find his death notice, but details are hard to get by. Maybe someone >>>>>> can help me? >>>>>> >>>>>> Hermund Johannesson Jordanger - in America known as Herman Johaneson - >>>>>> was born in Hafslo, Norway Apr. 15, 1829. In the spring of 1861 he left >>>>>> Bergen, probably with Chicago, IL as his destination, but this document, >>>>>> which I found today, shows that he enlisted in Wisconsin 16th Company B (another source says >>>>>> Wisconsin 15th) at Milwaukee, WI on Sep. 18, 1861, and he was discharged >>>>>> at Louisville, KY Feb. 23, 1863 due to disability. I understand the >>>>>> document to say he was to reside at Memphis, TN working as a tailor, but >>>>>> in 1889 he entered the Veteran’s Home in Dayton, OH where he died May 4, >>>>>> 1910. His closest relative is listed as brother Trond (Jordanger) in >>>>>> Marifjora, Norway, but he is also said to be married leaving his widow >>>>>> Harriet Johaneson in Memphis, TN! >>>>>> >>>>>> Now I have three main questions: >>>>>> >>>>>> * Do we have on the list some military expert who can possibly locate >>>>>> more detailed information about Herman’s military service, for example >>>>>> where he resided when he enlisted and which battles he took part in? >>>>>> >>>>>> * I have looked all over for census information about Herman and/or >>>>>> Harriet Johaneson (and alternative spellings), but I come out entirely >>>>>> «blank». Not even the Memphis, TN city directories can be of any help. >>>>>> Maybe someone has better eyes than I do? >>>>>> >>>>>> * Finally, is it possible to locate an obituary for this Civil War >>>>>> veteran? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks a million in advance for your wonderful assistance in this >>>>>> matter! >>>>>> >>>>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>>>> >>>>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________