My 4th grandmother was born on this farm fatland Kvinnherad so I have copies of .those pages from th kvinnherad bygedebuk. Contact me offlist for copies Here is a translation of the early pages http://kittymunson.com/index.php?page=fatland-farm-kvinnherad-v Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: norway-request@rootsweb.com Sender: norway-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 16:11:12 To: <norway@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: norway@rootsweb.com Subject: NORWAY Digest, Vol 10, Issue 91 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Fatland family origins (Lisbeth Dyrnes) 2. Re: Fatland family location (Doris Waggoner) 3. Re: Fatland family location (Jostein Austrheim) 4. Re: Fatland family origins (Cliff Lien) 5. Re: Fatland family location (Cliff Lien) 6. Re: Fatland family location (Doris Waggoner) 7. Re: Fatland family origins (Steve) 8. Re: Fatland family origins (Doris Waggoner) 9. Re: Fatland family origins (Doris Waggoner) 10. Re: Fatland family origins (Gregory Holter) 11. Re: Fatland family location (Cliff Lien) 12. Re: Fatland family origins (Doris Waggoner) 13. Re: Fatland family location (Cliff Lien) 14. Re: Fatland family location (Mark Erickson) 15. Re: Fatland family location (Steve) 16. Today's Joke (John Ferman) 17. Re: Fatland family location (Don Angevine) 18. Re: Fatland family location (Doris Waggoner) 19. Re: Fatland family location (Don Angevine) 20. Re: Fatland family location (Cliff Lien) 21. Re: Fatland family location (Bev Anderson) 22. Help locating a different Fatland family in Norway (Doris Waggoner) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 08:40:48 +0100 From: "Lisbeth Dyrnes" <lisbeth.dyrnes@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [NOR] Fatland family origins To: "Steve" <snatvig@midstatesd.net>, <norway@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <9AF25F89F28A4DE59E287A255E85393C@TUSSILAGO> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original As far as I know there are several farms on the west coast of Norway called Fatland. Some more information about the grandparents would help! Lisbeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve via" <norway@rootsweb.com> To: <norway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 2:46 AM Subject: [NOR] Fatland family origins > Hi, > > I ate supper with a friend of my brother who sort of surprised me by > talking about the Scandanavian Cooking tv show on PBS. I asked him why he > was interested in it, and he said, well I?m Norwegian, you know. I had no > idea. I?ve know his parents and grand parents all my life, but never had > any clue that Fatland is a Norwegian name. He said his > great-great-grandfather came from Norway, lived in Iowa and MN before > moving to SD. > > I mentioned this group and he asked if I thought there was any chance > anyone would have any idea where his ancestors came from. > > Is there any chance anyone has any idea about this family? > > Thanks! > > Steve Natvig > Kimball, SD > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > Norwaylist > Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 02:34:08 -0700 From: Doris Waggoner <waggonerdoris@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [NOR] Fatland family location To: Steve <snatvig@midstatesd.net>, Norway List <norway@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <CAPbmBJXZgEfOsn3irSrUen9CgDu4P3Pc904_LC4AuTE82u8edw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Steve, My grandfather's sister married a Fatland, who was an immigrant from Norway. I have his immigrant record, which I got through Ancestry, but it's incomplete. It has the parish, but not the county. I have the Fatland name back to Peter Hansen Lilieinskiold Fatland, 1784-1863, born and died in Norway. Not much help! One of his sons, Hans Anderson (Kjeka) Fatland, born in Norway in 1824, married twice. The first time was to an Oline Abrahamsdattar, in 1842; she died in 1844, after giving birth to a daughter Oline. He remarried in Fjelberg Parish,,Norway, 1849 to Dorothea Marie Pettersdatter Lilieinskiold, b. 1827 in Norway, d. 1909 in Norway. Unfortunately, the adjacent commas mean I do NOT know the county/flyke the couple were married in. And all this information comes from Ancestry family trees. The repetition of the name Lilienskold seems significant, but I'm not sure how. It would indicate, maybe, that Peter maybe married a neice? Or at least if that's a farm name, perhaps both he and his second wife lived on the same farm. What I have that is a more firm information comes from a passenger list on Ancestry. In 1875, Hans and Dorothea Fatland and a long string of children emigrated from Norway. I don't remember the port they left from, but they were in Liverpool on their way to America. There Hans died--he was not a young man. Dorothea and the children went on, though eventually she returned to Norway, dying there in 1909. Ten Fatland children were b. between 1849 and 1870, so some were still small when they emigrated. Some ended up in ND. One of the younger ones was Ole H. Fatland, b. 1865 in Fjelberg,,Norway--note that again I don't know the county in Norway, but it's the same parish as where his parents were married long before. He married Bertha Harrison. While her name sounds English, she had originally been Birgitte Henriksen, b. 1879 in Sandefjord, Vestfold, Norway, emigrated with her family in 1890. Bertha was sister to my maternal grandfather. I have no memory of ever meeting her, however. Ole and Bertha were married 1905 in Breckenridge, Wilkin, MN, and lived in the upper NW counties of ND all their married lives. He was a farmer and preacher. His siblings lived mostly in ND, a few in MN. One interesting story about Bertha and 3 of their 4 daughters (they had no sons) is that during WW II, while the daughters were young and unmarried, and times were bad in ND, Bertha and the three girls came to Seattle, where there was lots of war work. Boeing hired women to build airplanes, and other companies were making parts for the planes. My grandparents' 5 kids were grown and gone, so the Fatland women lived with them while they were being "Rosie the Riveters." One of them liked the area so much that she stayed for several years after the war, working as a teacher. Given the earlier ancestors who died in Norway, I'm sure there are still Fatlands there. I know there are ways to search DigitalArkives with the name of a parish to find out what counties have parishes with that name. I don't know how to do it, but I know that other listers will be able to help you. Hope this helps. Doris On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 10:10 PM, Steve via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I ate with a friend of my brother?s tonight by the name of Fatland. I?ve > know his father and grandfather all my life, and never had a clue that his > family is Norwegian. I told him I would put out a question to the group to > see if anyone can give him any hints about where his ancestors came from or > whether there are any Fatlands still in Norway. His understanding is the > his great-great-grandfather came from Noway to MN and then lived in IA > before they came to SD. > > Thanks! > > Steve Natvig > Kimball, SD. > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > Norwaylist Archiveshttp:// > archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 11:08:28 +0100 From: "Jostein Austrheim" <jostein.austrheim@haugnett.no> Subject: Re: [NOR] Fatland family location To: "Doris Waggoner" <waggonerdoris@gmail.com>, <norway@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <C54C97D1ACD646ED95507F846D95C0CC@ellingPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original After Steve,s message I wonder if his Fatland could be the farm Fatland in Halsn?y, Kvinnherrad, and did a look up that farm in the Kvinnherrad 5, Eid and Fjellberg bygdebok. Before your e-mail pop up I looked at this Hans Anderson and Dortea M.Marie Petersdtr. family with children born from 1849 to 1870. It is written the whole family emigrated to US but not when, and that Hans died in England and was buired there. This is on page 305 in this bygdebok. But Steve,e Fatland most likely are another family. Jostein A ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doris Waggoner via" <norway@rootsweb.com> To: "Steve" <snatvig@midstatesd.net>; "Norway List" <norway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [NOR] Fatland family location > Steve, > > My grandfather's sister married a Fatland, who was an immigrant from > Norway. I have his immigrant record, which I got through Ancestry, but > it's incomplete. It has the parish, but not the county. > > I have the Fatland name back to Peter Hansen Lilieinskiold Fatland, > 1784-1863, born and died in Norway. Not much help! One of his sons, Hans > Anderson (Kjeka) Fatland, born in Norway in 1824, married twice. The > first > time was to an Oline Abrahamsdattar, in 1842; she died in 1844, after > giving birth to a daughter Oline. He remarried in Fjelberg > Parish,,Norway, > 1849 to Dorothea Marie Pettersdatter Lilieinskiold, b. 1827 in Norway, d. > 1909 in Norway. Unfortunately, the adjacent commas mean I do NOT know the > county/flyke the couple were married in. And all this information comes > from Ancestry family trees. The repetition of the name Lilienskold seems > significant, but I'm not sure how. It would indicate, maybe, that Peter > maybe married a neice? Or at least if that's a farm name, perhaps both he > and his second wife lived on the same farm. > > What I have that is a more firm information comes from a passenger list on > Ancestry. In 1875, Hans and Dorothea Fatland and a long string of > children > emigrated from Norway. I don't remember the port they left from, but they > were in Liverpool on their way to America. There Hans died--he was not a > young man. Dorothea and the children went on, though eventually she > returned to Norway, dying there in 1909. > > Ten Fatland children were b. between 1849 and 1870, so some were still > small when they emigrated. Some ended up in ND. One of the younger ones > was Ole H. Fatland, b. 1865 in Fjelberg,,Norway--note that again I don't > know the county in Norway, but it's the same parish as where his parents > were married long before. He married Bertha Harrison. While her name > sounds English, she had originally been Birgitte Henriksen, b. 1879 in > Sandefjord, Vestfold, Norway, emigrated with her family in 1890. Bertha > was > sister to my maternal grandfather. I have no memory of ever meeting her, > however. > > Ole and Bertha were married 1905 in Breckenridge, Wilkin, MN, and lived in > the upper NW counties of ND all their married lives. He was a farmer and > preacher. His siblings lived mostly in ND, a few in MN. > > One interesting story about Bertha and 3 of their 4 daughters (they had no > sons) is that during WW II, while the daughters were young and unmarried, > and times were bad in ND, Bertha and the three girls came to Seattle, > where > there was lots of war work. Boeing hired women to build airplanes, and > other companies were making parts for the planes. My grandparents' 5 kids > were grown and gone, so the Fatland women lived with them while they were > being "Rosie the Riveters." One of them liked the area so much that she > stayed for several years after the war, working as a teacher. > > Given the earlier ancestors who died in Norway, I'm sure there are still > Fatlands there. I know there are ways to search DigitalArkives with the > name of a parish to find out what counties have parishes with that name. > I > don't know how to do it, but I know that other listers will be able to > help > you. > > Hope this helps. > > Doris ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 07:15:20 -0600 From: "Cliff Lien" <cjl@interbaun.com> Subject: Re: [NOR] Fatland family origins To: "Lisbeth Dyrnes" <lisbeth.dyrnes@gmail.com>, <norway@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <F8850B7537724765A2F43B45166533D7@LienPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original I did some searching in the USA since Fatland didn't seem a very common name to me... Ancestry 1940 census for Waubay, Day, SD has: Hanna Scotness, Head, 63, b. NO, widowed and living with... Engsbord (Looks more like Engabord) Flatness, Mother, 87, Widowed, b. NO Then 1940 for Chamberlain, Brule, SD Elsie (transcribed Elrie) Flatland, Head, F, 60 widowed, b. Iowa Guy Flatland, Son, 22, married, b. Iowa Mary Jane Flatladn, daughter-in-law, 20, b. SD Then in Washington, Story, Iowa in the home of Andrew K Johnson, 76, b. NO Steward Fatland, Nephew, 58, widowed, b. Iowa (The above's residence at 1 Apr 1940 was Hot Springs, Fall River, SD) So this seems like the people - Now to try to trace them back a few decades... Cliff Lien Alberta, Canada cjl@interbaun.com -----Original Message----- From: Lisbeth Dyrnes via Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 1:40 AM To: Steve ; norway@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NOR] Fatland family origins As far as I know there are several farms on the west coast of Norway called Fatland. Some more information about the grandparents would help! Lisbeth ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 08:20:14 -0600 From: "Cliff Lien" <cjl@interbaun.com> Subject: Re: [NOR] Fatland family location To: "Steve" <snatvig@midstatesd.net>, <norway@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1C0BD022FF4A462CBA9F5FC48051F40F@LienPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original In 1930 censuses..... At District 4, Chamberlain, Brule, SD William B Flatland, Head, 51, b. Iowa, Father Iowa, Mother Norway Elsie Flatland, Wife, 50 - Iowa - NO,NO (The widow from 1940 census) 2 Children, Eva M, 16 and Guy F 12 both Iowa At Redfield, Spink, SD.. Stuart Flatland, Roomer, No Age, Widowed, Iowa, NO, NO Ahhhh.... In 1920 - (Could not locate "Engsbord/Engabord in 1930) In Dist 106, Egeland, Day, SD Lars Fatland, Head, 67, Em 1906, pa 1909, NO-NO-NO Ingeborg Fatland, Wife, 67, Em 1906, ", NO-NO-NO Henry Larson, Son, 27, Em 1906, NO-NO-NO Evelyn Nelson, A Daughter (adopted?) , 11, b. MN, mother unknown, father NO So these Fatlands are more recent arrivals and don't appear to have been in Iowa - still... Cliff Lien Alberta, Canada cjl@interbaun.com ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 07:52:07 -0700 From: Doris Waggoner <waggonerdoris@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [NOR] Fatland family location To: Jostein Austrheim <jostein.austrheim@haugnett.no> Cc: Norway List <norway@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <CAPbmBJVj7O2GtaQJGDrAABoyAfB1qRnyqDi2XeugcSshp1SeSQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Jostein, Yes, this would appear to be my Fatland family, and it doesn't look to be the family of Steve's friend. Thank you for finding them in the bygdebok! Now I know where they were from. Doris On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 3:08 AM, Jostein Austrheim < jostein.austrheim@haugnett.no> wrote: > After Steve,s message I wonder if his Fatland could be the farm Fatland in > Halsn?y, Kvinnherrad, and did a look up that farm in the Kvinnherrad 5, Eid > and Fjellberg bygdebok. Before your e-mail pop up I looked at this Hans > Anderson and Dortea M.Marie Petersdtr. family with children born from 1849 > to 1870. It is written the whole family emigrated to US but not when, and > that Hans died in England and was buired there. This is on page 305 in this > bygdebok. > > But Steve,e Fatland most likely are another family. > > Jostein A > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doris Waggoner via" < > norway@rootsweb.com> > To: "Steve" <snatvig@midstatesd.net>; "Norway List" <norway@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 10:34 AM > Subject: Re: [NOR] Fatland family location > > > Steve, >> >> My grandfather's sister married a Fatland, who was an immigrant from >> Norway. I have his immigrant record, which I got through Ancestry, but >> it's incomplete. It has the parish, but not the county. >> >> I have the Fatland name back to Peter Hansen Lilieinskiold Fatland, >> 1784-1863, born and died in Norway. Not much help! One of his sons, Hans >> Anderson (Kjeka) Fatland, born in Norway in 1824, married twice. The >> first >> time was to an Oline Abrahamsdattar, in 1842; she died in 1844, after >> giving birth to a daughter Oline. He remarried in Fjelberg >> Parish,,Norway, >> 1849 to Dorothea Marie Pettersdatter Lilieinskiold, b. 1827 in Norway, d. >> 1909 in Norway. Unfortunately, the adjacent commas mean I do NOT know the >> county/flyke the couple were married in. And all this information comes >> from Ancestry family trees. The repetition of the name Lilienskold seems >> significant, but I'm not sure how. It would indicate, maybe, that Peter >> maybe married a neice? Or at least if that's a farm name, perhaps both he >> and his second wife lived on the same farm. >> >> What I have that is a more firm information comes from a passenger list on >> Ancestry. In 1875, Hans and Dorothea Fatland and a long string of >> children >> emigrated from Norway. I don't remember the port they left from, but they >> were in Liverpool on their way to America. There Hans died--he was not a >> young man. Dorothea and the children went on, though eventually she >> returned to Norway, dying there in 1909. >> >> Ten Fatland children were b. between 1849 and 1870, so some were still >> small when they emigrated. Some ended up in ND. One of the younger ones >> was Ole H. Fatland, b. 1865 in Fjelberg,,Norway--note that again I don't >> know the county in Norway, but it's the same parish as where his parents >> were married long before. He married Bertha Harrison. While her name >> sounds English, she had originally been Birgitte Henriksen, b. 1879 in >> Sandefjord, Vestfold, Norway, emigrated with her family in 1890. Bertha >> was >> sister to my maternal grandfather. I have no memory of ever meeting her, >> however. >> >> Ole and Bertha were married 1905 in Breckenridge, Wilkin, MN, and lived in >> the upper NW counties of ND all their married lives. He was a farmer and >> preacher. His siblings lived mostly in ND, a few in MN. >> >> One interesting story about Bertha and 3 of their 4 daughters (they had no >> sons) is that during WW II, while the daughters were young and unmarried, >> and times were bad in ND, Bertha and the three girls came to Seattle, >> where >> there was lots of war work. Boeing hired women to build airplanes, and >> other companies were making parts for the planes. My grandparents' 5 kids >> were grown and gone, so the Fatland women lived with them while they were >> being "Rosie the Riveters." One of them liked the area so much that she >> stayed for several years after the war, working as a teacher. >> >> Given the earlier ancestors who died in Norway, I'm sure there are still >> Fatlands there. I know there are ways to search DigitalArkives with the >> name of a parish to find out what counties have parishes with that name. I >> don't know how to do it, but I know that other listers will be able to >> help >> you. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> Doris >> > > > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 10:03:52 -0500 From: "Steve" <snatvig@midstatesd.net> Subject: Re: [NOR] Fatland family origins To: "Cliff Lien" <cjl@interbaun.com>, <norway@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <5572C7161FE9420AB1EF3960BDDAC4EF@steveHP> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Cliff!, Guy and Mary Fatland are this young man's grandparents. Chamberlain, SD is our county seat, 18 miles from here. Hot Springs, SD is in the Black Hills of South Dakota not far from the Wyoming border. One possibility with Hot Springs is that it is the location of the regional Veterans Hospital and nursing home. I suppose it is possible that this Steward could have been a veteran of WWI, but he would have been 36 in 1918, which I suppose is pretty old for being drafted. Now, I have to try to remember, because as a child, I knew Mary's brother was a customer in my grandfather's store in Kimball. Paul Sebesta, I think. I tried last night to reach out to Guy and Mary's daughter who now lives on the West coast, I believe in Seattle, via Facebook, but it's only 8 in the morning there, so she probably hasn't been on her computer yet. In any case, you definetly have the right line with Guy and Mary. Thanks! Steve -----Original Message----- From: Cliff Lien via Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 8:15 AM To: Lisbeth Dyrnes ; norway@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NOR] Fatland family origins I did some searching in the USA since Fatland didn't seem a very common name to me... Ancestry 1940 census for Waubay, Day, SD has: Hanna Scotness, Head, 63, b. NO, widowed and living with... Engsbord (Looks more like Engabord) Flatness, Mother, 87, Widowed, b. NO Then 1940 for Chamberlain, Brule, SD Elsie (transcribed Elrie) Flatland, Head, F, 60 widowed, b. Iowa Guy Flatland, Son, 22, married, b. Iowa Mary Jane Flatladn, daughter-in-law, 20, b. SD Then in Washington, Story, Iowa in the home of Andrew K Johnson, 76, b. NO Steward Fatland, Nephew, 58, widowed, b. Iowa (The above's residence at 1 Apr 1940 was Hot Springs, Fall River, SD) So this seems like the people - Now to try to trace them back a few decades... Cliff Lien Alberta, Canada cjl@interbaun.com -----Original Message----- From: Lisbeth Dyrnes via Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 1:40 AM To: Steve ; norway@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NOR] Fatland family origins As far as I know there are several farms on the west coast of Norway called Fatland. Some more information about the grandparents would help! Lisbeth Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 08:24:51 -0700 From: Doris Waggoner <waggonerdoris@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [NOR] Fatland family origins To: Cliff Lien <cjl@interbaun.com>, Norway List <norway@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <CAPbmBJWu_0-F0dgpCVo1rfWDZPgAxcsPTekAvHaXy51VC0u1EQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cliff et al. I agree, Fatland's not a common name. Going back far enough, they may all be related, unlike my Norwegian Johnsons. Looks to me like the only person in either of your emails who is old enough to be of the immigrant generation is Engaborg Fatland, 87, in the 1940 census. The problem is that you have her last name as Flatness, not the same as Fatland. Did you mean to type Fatland? One of Hans and Dorothea's sons, Peter, was married to an Ingeborg, among his three wives, but divorced her. I have, however, that she died in 1923, in Clay Co. MN. And I don't know which of Peter's children came from which wife, as I don't know when he married which one, and when the divorce and death of the others came. Since the Fatlands were in-laws of my great aunt, I did not trace them very far, I admit. I last researched them in 2011, and the 1940 census wasn't available then. But I don't think the descendants you've found are related to "my" Fatlands. Hans and Dorothea had sons Peter (1850-1919) Andrew (1852-1877) Hans (1855-1925) Evan (1860-1931) John (1862-1939) *Ole (1865-1936) m Bertha Harrison, my g aunt Amund (1870-1877) Only Peter, Hans, Evan, John, and Ole married and could have left US descendants. Ole had four girls. All of them married brothers named Halden; I don't know much about them, but I presume they were Norwegian, or at least Scandinavian. That part of ND was heavily Scandinavian in the 1930s and 1940s, when these marriages took place. At any rate, the Fatland name disappeared in this branch of the family. Doris On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 6:15 AM, Cliff Lien via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I did some searching in the USA since Fatland didn't seem a very common > name > to me... > > Ancestry 1940 census for Waubay, Day, SD has: > Hanna Scotness, Head, 63, b. NO, widowed and living with... > Engsbord (Looks more like Engabord) Flatness, Mother, 87, Widowed, b. > NO > Then 1940 for Chamberlain, Brule, SD > Elsie (transcribed Elrie) Flatland, Head, F, 60 widowed, b. Iowa > Guy Flatland, Son, 22, married, b. Iowa > Mary Jane Flatladn, daughter-in-law, 20, b. SD > Then in Washington, Story, Iowa in the home of Andrew K Johnson, 76, b. NO > Steward Fatland, Nephew, 58, widowed, b. Iowa > (The above's residence at 1 Apr 1940 was Hot Springs, Fall River, SD) > > So this seems like the people - Now to try to trace them back a few > decades... > > > Cliff Lien > Alberta, Canada > cjl@interbaun.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lisbeth Dyrnes via > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 1:40 AM > To: Steve ; norway@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NOR] Fatland family origins > > As far as I know there are several farms on the west coast of Norway called > Fatland. Some more information about the grandparents would help! > > Lisbeth > > > Norwaylist Archiveshttp:// > archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 08:31:15 -0700 From: Doris Waggoner <waggonerdoris@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [NOR] Fatland family origins To: Steve <snatvig@midstatesd.net>, Norway List <norway@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <CAPbmBJUQa8A1WtNUz++j9ZLWj54bFcKBZPEpBZiWy1bOyctYAw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Steve, Depending on their family situations, some 36 year olds did get drafted in WW I. They certainly filled out draft cards, so you can search for that if nothing else. The records of the Veterans' home should be available too. Doris On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 8:03 AM, Steve via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Cliff!, > > Guy and Mary Fatland are this young man's grandparents. Chamberlain, SD is > our county seat, 18 miles from here. Hot Springs, SD is in the Black Hills > of South Dakota not far from the Wyoming border. One possibility with Hot > Springs is that it is the location of the regional Veterans Hospital and > nursing home. I suppose it is possible that this Steward could have been a > veteran of WWI, but he would have been 36 in 1918, which I suppose is > pretty old for being drafted. > > Now, I have to try to remember, because as a child, I knew Mary's brother > was a customer in my grandfather's store in Kimball. Paul Sebesta, I > think. > > I tried last night to reach out to Guy and Mary's daughter who now lives on > the West coast, I believe in Seattle, via Facebook, but it's only 8 in the > morning there, so she probably hasn't been on her computer yet. > > In any case, you definetly have the right line with Guy and Mary. > > Thanks! > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cliff Lien via > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 8:15 AM > To: Lisbeth Dyrnes ; norway@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NOR] Fatland family origins > > I did some searching in the USA since Fatland didn't seem a very common > name > to me... > > Ancestry 1940 census for Waubay, Day, SD has: > Hanna Scotness, Head, 63, b. NO, widowed and living with... > Engsbord (Looks more like Engabord) Flatness, Mother, 87, Widowed, b. > NO > Then 1940 for Chamberlain, Brule, SD > Elsie (transcribed Elrie) Flatland, Head, F, 60 widowed, b. Iowa > Guy Flatland, Son, 22, married, b. Iowa > Mary Jane Flatladn, daughter-in-law, 20, b. SD > Then in Washington, Story, Iowa in the home of Andrew K Johnson, 76, b. NO > Steward Fatland, Nephew, 58, widowed, b. Iowa > (The above's residence at 1 Apr 1940 was Hot Springs, Fall River, SD) > > So this seems like the people - Now to try to trace them back a few > decades... > > > Cliff Lien > Alberta, Canada > cjl@interbaun.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lisbeth Dyrnes via > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 1:40 AM > To: Steve ; norway@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NOR] Fatland family origins > > As far as I know there are several farms on the west coast of Norway called > Fatland. Some more information about the grandparents would help! > > Lisbeth > > > Norwaylist > Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > Norwaylist Archiveshttp:// > archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 15:35:37 +0000 (UTC) From: Gregory Holter <waxlerfarms@frontier.com> Subject: Re: [NOR] Fatland family origins To: "norway@rootsweb.com" <norway@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <179729995.587745.1426260937232.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Doing a quick check of the 1865 census in Norway, I find places called Fatland in at least 8 different parishes. ?Not necessarily a common place name, but not unique either. Greg Holter ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 09:39:18 -0600 From: "Cliff Lien" <cjl@interbaun.com> Subject: Re: [NOR] Fatland family location To: <norway@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <A6BE4D7A8A5E4205901FB63B8E3B6D7B@LienPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Well I think there may be too many Fatland families in SD to ba at all certain I am on the right track, but I am following this William B Flatland back through censuses because he has the Iowa/SD connection. Then we have to wait for Steve to talk to his friend again I suppose... In 1880 at 210, Union, Story, Iowa Brit (Bert, Bart, ?) Fatland, 28, Head married was born Illinois-NO-NO Elsie Fatland, 23, wife, NO-NO-NO Carrie, 5 Daughter Oskar?, 4 Son William, 1, Son all born Iowa Ole Fatland, 61, NO-NO-NO is the next household... Caroline 57, wife NO-NO-NO Ole O. 18 Sarah 16 Charley 12 Mary 9 Carrie 6 all born Iowa >From Find-A-Grave: Birth: Apr. 9, 1819, Skanevik, Hordaland fylke, Norway Death: May 26, 1894, Slater, Story County, Iowa, USA He was born Ole Ingebrigtsen on the Fatland farm. He came to the USA in 1847 with his first wife Astri and their two daughters and used Fatland as their last name. Family links: Spouse: Carrie Fatland (1828 - 1912)* Children: Oley Fatland (1861 - 1895)* Sarah Fatland Larson (1864 - 1892)* This family is well documented in a tree at Rootsweb http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=rschrodr01&id=I19907 Cliff Lien Alberta, Canada cjl@interbaun.com -----Original Message----- From: Cliff Lien via Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 8:20 AM To: Steve ; norway@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NOR] Fatland family location In 1930 censuses..... At District 4, Chamberlain, Brule, SD William B Flatland, Head, 51, b. Iowa, Father Iowa, Mother Norway Elsie Flatland, Wife, 50 - Iowa - NO,NO (The widow from 1940 census) 2 Children, Eva M, 16 and Guy F 12 both Iowa ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 08:42:18 -0700 From: Doris Waggoner <waggonerdoris@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [NOR] Fatland family origins To: Gregory Holter <waxlerfarms@frontier.com>, Norway List <norway@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <CAPbmBJX+3CcpN+Nf-2=XbVdz1s7=t_m13TYwUSSSn4ZWdLwKZQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Greg, With the family names, someone has found this particular family. It is good to know that they are not unique, which means that other Fatland families lived in Norway to emigrate later. So Steve's friend named Fatland is probably not directly related to my great aunt's husband. Thanks for checking that 1865 census! Doris On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 8:35 AM, Gregory Holter via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Doing a quick check of the 1865 census in Norway, I find places called > Fatland in at least 8 different parishes. Not necessarily a common place > name, but not unique either. > > Greg Holter > Norwaylist Archiveshttp:// > archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 09:49:22 -0600 From: "Cliff Lien" <cjl@interbaun.com> Subject: Re: [NOR] Fatland family location To: <norway@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <273EAA8DF0844F19BF6029E13F5EBB34@LienPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original OK, since we now have Guy and wife Mary this is the right family. So use this Rootsweb Tree it looks really well done... http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=rschrodr01&id=I12532 So ?kre, Sk?nevik, Hordaland is the home of the Flatland farm, here in 1801 <http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=11&filnamn=f18011212&gardpostnr=68&merk=68#ovre> Cliff Lien Alberta, Canada cjl@interbaun.com ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 11:11:05 -0500 From: Mark Erickson <merickson1870@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [NOR] Fatland family location To: norway@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <70229EC1-B41D-4F99-8CBD-A336FC81F484@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 They?re all over the Mitchell newspapers. Mostly picnics, dinner guests and such. Here?s an obit for Guy?s sister. She was born in Iowa to Mr. & Mrs. William Fatland. The Daily Journal (Fergus Falls, Minnesota); Mon, Dec 23, 1974; Page 2 Mrs. Bernice Anderson services Thursday Mrs. Theodore (Bernice) Anderson, 69, Fergus Falls Route 3, died Sunday at Lake Region Hospital. Funeral services are set for 2 p.m. Thursday at Tonseth Lutheran Church, with Rev. Matthew John officiating. Burial will be in the church cemetery. She was born in Slater, Iowa, Oct. 2, 1905, the daughter of Mr. & Mrs. William Fatland. She married Theodore G. Anderson on June 25, 1923 in Henning. Mrs. Anderson is survived by her husband; two daughters, Mrs. William (Phyllis) Freudiger, San Francisco; Mrs. Bennet (LaVae) Gilbertson, St. Croix Park; three sons, Duane, Minneapolis; Roger, San Francisco; Curtis, Phoenix; two sisters, Mrs. Oren (Wilma) Bates, Los Angeles; Mrs. Eva Healy, Waukesha, Wisc.; a brother; Guy Fatland, Kimball, S.D.; 13 grandchildren and seven great-grandchildren. Visitation is from 2-9 p.m. Wednesday at Glenda-Johnson-Nelson Funeral Home, and until time of service Thursday. ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 11:50:52 -0500 From: "Steve" <snatvig@midstatesd.net> Subject: Re: [NOR] Fatland family location To: "Cliff Lien" <cjl@interbaun.com>, <norway@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <187F8CDECA9840F0AF098FF17DF3AE65@steveHP> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Cliff, that is outstanding! Is there a specific line you're looking at in the second page of records? It looks similar to the US Census where the husband is listed first, then the wife, and their children, etc. Is there a direct translation for Tj?neste dr?ng or Tj?neste girl or Tj?ner de gamle? Am I correct that this is the location of the Fatland settlement? Southern Bergen? Amt Prestegjeld Sokn Gard/hus 68 S?ndre Bergenhuus Schonevigs Aakre Fatland Any clarification you can give would be great. Thanks again! Steve -----Original Message----- From: Cliff Lien via Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 10:49 AM To: norway@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NOR] Fatland family location OK, since we now have Guy and wife Mary this is the right family. So use this Rootsweb Tree it looks really well done... http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=rschrodr01&id=I12532 So ?kre, Sk?nevik, Hordaland is the home of the Flatland farm, here in 1801 <http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=11&filnamn=f18011212&gardpostnr=68&merk=68#ovre> Cliff Lien Alberta, Canada cjl@interbaun.com Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 12:40:06 -0500 From: John Ferman <johnwferman@gmail.com> Subject: [NOR] Today's Joke To: Rootsweb Norway <norway@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <7DA7B6D7-58DB-4720-B825-9DC2E8EEACBC@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ole came back to the kitchen after answering the door. He asked Lena, "Are you up to having company?" "Uff da!" snorted Lena, "after all dis housevork, NO!" "Vell," replied Ole, "dat's vhat I thought." "Who vas it?" asked Lena. Ole replied, "Your mudder." Sent from my iPad John Ferman Minneapolis, MN ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 18:08:11 +0000 (UTC) From: Don Angevine <donangevine@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [NOR] Fatland family location To: Steve <snatvig@midstatesd.net>, Cliff Lien <cjl@interbaun.com>, "norway@rootsweb.com" <norway@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1763017008.505461.1426270091262.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I have only followed this thread very loosely, but here are the farm numbers if they are of any use to you . . . 1886 Matrikkel Hordaland; Aakre; Fatland, gard 45; bruk 1 thru 5 1950 Matrikkel Hordaland; Sk?nevik herad; Fatland, gard 45; bruk 1 thru 5? Old numbers: 90a thru 93a From: Steve via <norway@rootsweb.com> To: Cliff Lien <cjl@interbaun.com>; norway@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [NOR] Fatland family location Cliff, that is outstanding! Is there a specific line you're looking at in the second page of records? It looks similar to the US Census where the husband is listed first, then the wife, and their children, etc. Is there a direct translation for Tj?neste dr?ng or Tj?neste girl or Tj?ner de gamle? Am I correct that this is the location of the Fatland settlement? Southern Bergen? ? ? Amt? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Prestegjeld? ? ? Sokn? ? Gard/hus 68? ? S?ndre Bergenhuus? ? Schonevigs? ? Aakre? ? Fatland ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 12:28:54 -0700 From: Doris Waggoner <waggonerdoris@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [NOR] Fatland family location To: Steve <snatvig@midstatesd.net>, Norway List <norway@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <CAPbmBJX16rw8p+pbEkxm5-KNWmLoh9W=6P0eqCdw6WZ14HBUgg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Steve, Tj?neste dr?ng or Tj?neste girl or Tj?ner de gamle are servants, though I can't translate more clearly than that. Looks like you are really getting somewhere! Doris On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Steve via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Cliff, that is outstanding! > > Is there a specific line you're looking at in the second page of records? > It looks similar to the US Census where the husband is listed first, then > the wife, and their children, etc. > > Is there a direct translation for Tj?neste dr?ng or Tj?neste girl or Tj?ner > de gamle? > > Am I correct that this is the location of the Fatland settlement? > Southern Bergen? > > Amt Prestegjeld Sokn Gard/hus > 68 S?ndre Bergenhuus Schonevigs Aakre Fatland > > > Any clarification you can give would be great. > > Thanks again! > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cliff Lien via > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 10:49 AM > To: norway@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NOR] Fatland family location > > OK, since we now have Guy and wife Mary this is the right family. > > So use this Rootsweb Tree it looks really well done... > > > http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=rschrodr01&id=I12532 > > So ?kre, Sk?nevik, Hordaland is the home of the Flatland farm, here in 1801 > < > http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=11&filnamn=f18011212&gardpostnr=68&merk=68#ovre > > > > Cliff Lien > Alberta, Canada > cjl@interbaun.com > > > Norwaylist > Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > Norwaylist Archiveshttp:// > archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 20:04:29 +0000 (UTC) From: Don Angevine <donangevine@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [NOR] Fatland family location To: Steve <snatvig@midstatesd.net>, NORWAY-List <norway@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <325886135.461156.1426277069260.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I just sent Steve a series of maps drilling in to the Flatland gard . . From: Steve <snatvig@midstatesd.net> To: Don Angevine <donangevine@yahoo.com> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [NOR] Fatland family location Thanks, Don,?Is there a way to locate those locations on google or somethingsimilar?? Can you tell me in general what part of the country thisis?? ?Steve? From: Don Angevine Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 1:08 PMTo: Steve ; Cliff Lien ; norway@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NOR] Fatland family location?I have only followed this thread veryloosely, but here are the farm numbers if they are of any use to you . . . 1886 Matrikkel Hordaland; Aakre; Fatland, gard 45; bruk 1 thru 5 1950 Matrikkel Hordaland; Sk?nevikherad; Fatland, gard 45; bruk 1 thru 5? Old numbers: 90a thru 93a?From: Steve via<norway@rootsweb.com> To:Cliff Lien <cjl@interbaun.com>; norway@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [NOR] Fatland familylocation Cliff, thatis outstanding! Is there a specific line you'relooking at in the second page of records? It looks similar to theUS Census where the husband is listed first, then the wife, andtheir children, etc. Is there a direct translationfor Tj?neste dr?ng or Tj?neste girl or Tj?ner de gamle? Am I correct that this is the location of the Fatlandsettlement? Southern Bergen? ???Amt?????????????????????????????Prestegjeld????? Sokn??? Gard/hus 68??? S?ndre Bergenhuus??? Schonevigs??? Aakre??? Fatland | | This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com | ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 14:20:17 -0600 From: "Cliff Lien" <cjl@interbaun.com> Subject: Re: [NOR] Fatland family location To: "Norway List" <NORWAY@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <C7016AF1DAFD4537A85E4F859D8D8A4E@LienPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Steve, What you can be sure of is that this Fatland farm is the source of your friend's name. But I don't know that any of your friend's ancestors are on this farm at the time of the 1801 census. S?ndre Bergenhuus is just an old name for Hordaland Schonevigs = Sk?nevik Aakre = ?kra According to the tree by Randy Schroder, Ole Fatland's father was Ingebrigt Thorsen... I think this is Ingebrigt in the 1801 census with his parents on Aakne farm. <http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=6&filnamn=f18011212&gardpostnr=76&personpostnr=1289&merk=1289#ovre> Cliff Lien Alberta, Canada cjl@interbaun.com -----Original Message----- From: Steve Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 10:50 AM To: Cliff Lien ; norway@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NOR] Fatland family location Cliff, that is outstanding! Is there a specific line you're looking at in the second page of records? It looks similar to the US Census where the husband is listed first, then the wife, and their children, etc. Is there a direct translation for Tj?neste dr?ng or Tj?neste girl or Tj?ner de gamle? Am I correct that this is the location of the Fatland settlement? Southern Bergen? Amt Prestegjeld Sokn Gard/hus 68 S?ndre Bergenhuus Schonevigs Aakre Fatland Any clarification you can give would be great. Thanks again! Steve ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 20:45:50 +0000 (UTC) From: Bev Anderson <bevgand@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [NOR] Fatland family location To: "norway@rootsweb.com" <norway@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <942433148.4239536.1426279550896.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Steve - I read a lot of the other emails offering advice about this, so I'll add my two cents. Your brother's friend should do the usual thing in (valid, documented) genealogy research: Start with himself and work backward. If he does not want to download a genealogy program and work from his own computer, he can put the info on one of the private trees on Ancestry..., and get advice and assistance from you (and/or us?). [The lack of formatting once notes are saved in Ancestry records makes me crazy. Do notes offline with proper formats, scan them to an image, then include with the documentation.] I just did something similar a few evenings ago for the paternal ancestors of my future great-grandchild..., and I'm already back to the 1900 US census (which, of course, lists month and year of birth, as well as year of immigration and citizenship status, which are hopefully correct, and that can be matched with the decades after 1900 to see if years of immigration are at least approximately the same). This is in Minnesota, so we have indices for birth, marriage, and death records online (actual records can easily be obtained from there), both state and national census data (document images, indices), so some index records (from official sources which are usually more correct than some transcriptions from people who have no idea what they're doing). With just those cursory bits of info I've been able to find out the father's family has ancestors from Sweden, Denmark, and Germany. I have no idea how to find German records, but thanks to Listers in Sweden and Denmark, by t! he time I acquire the local and state images of the documents for which I've already found index data, and hopefully find more specific info for locations of origin, I should be able to find records in their databases if I can't manage on my own, just as I have for so many Norwegian records. In doing a WWI draft registration check, I got the name and date of birth of what must be a relative who was living nearby at the time, and he had a Swedish location for his next of kin (only slightly misspelled). An actual location! :-D I looked it up and sure enough, it exists! That same individual, thanks to matching birth dates, is found on a Naturalization index card in Illinois. True, I have a lot more to document before I try to find records across the pond (slowing down to do the documentation takes more time than the finding in indices), but with a good foundation I have a chance of finding accurate data this way - and, who knows? If I'm really, really, really lucky, perhaps a location for a different person with the same location-turned-US surname where I can prove a relationship in other than surname will be in some of those US records..., so I won't be on a wild goose chase by the time I get to finding records across the pond. Pretty good for just checking indices and a very few census documents in about three hours in one evening: a whole century+ of info on four generations of people! You should be able to do the same from where you are, too..., yes? :-) Once you have basic American info verified, there's always the Norway List.... :-D Everyone seems to have their own little sub-specialty for nosing out information in various locations and indices and we have been known to find info that was impossible to find in the past, so we might get lucky again. :-D Just be sure to put the Fatland name in the Subject line. Best Wishes, Bev PS: I did a double-take on your Subject title because it's so close to the name Flateland..., but I know where the latter came from in Aust-Agder. A man with that name (and variant spellings in Norwegian records) married one of my father's sisters. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve via <norway@rootsweb.com> To: norway@rootsweb.com Cc: Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 12:10 AM Subject: [NOR] Fatland family location Hi, I ate with a friend of my brother?s tonight by the name of Fatland. I?ve know his father and grandfather all my life, and never had a clue that his family is Norwegian. I told him I would put out a question to the group to see if anyone can give him any hints about where his ancestors came from or whether there are any Fatlands still in Norway. His understanding is the his great-great-grandfather came from Noway to MN and then lived in IA before they came to SD. Thanks! Steve Natvig Kimball, SD. --- ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 15:11:08 -0700 From: Doris Waggoner <waggonerdoris@gmail.com> Subject: [NOR] Help locating a different Fatland family in Norway To: Norway List <norway@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <CAPbmBJUF9GRdCTsoY7VviCBgkbNJKNo+uRYOO-4zd=jZJ1jycw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi, list, With all they great help you're giving Steve, maybe you can help me with my Fatland family, which I believe is completely unrelated to his. I am still trying to locate them in Norway. In an effort a couple of days ago to help him, I'd mentioned an Ole H. Fatland who emigrated from Norway in 1875 as a 10 yr. old with his family, and gave his parents' names. His father, Hans Anderson Fatland, died in Liverpool on the journey. Here is the relevant part of what Jostein found for me about this family: <After Steve,s message I wonder if his Fatland could be the farm Fatland in Halsn?y, Kvinnherrad, and did a look up that farm in the Kvinnherrad 5, Eid and Fjellberg bygdebok. Before your e-mail pop up I looked at this Hans Anderson and Dortea M.Marie Petersdtr. family with children born from 1849 to 1870. It is written the whole family emigrated to US but not when, and that Hans died in England and was buired there. This is on page 305 in this bygdebok. < This is almost certainly my family, as the parents' names are correct, and this is the span of years during which their 10 children were born. I have that Hans died in Liverpool in April 1875, and the rest of the family arrived in NY in May 1875. What I don't know is where Kvinnherrad is. Is this a county name, like Vestfold or Vest-Agder? I've never heard of it before. And which port would the family likely have left Norway from? The immigration record just shows they were on the "Italy" from Liverpool to Queensland to NY. It doesn't show what feeder ship they used from Norway to England, or where it began its voyage. Thanks in advance for your help. Doris ------------------------------ To contact the NORWAY list administrator, send an email to NORWAY-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the NORWAY mailing list, send an email to NORWAY@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. 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