Hi Doris, I highly recommend when you reply to any answer you might receive that you reply to the whole list as well as your "answerer". If you ask a further question of just the person that supplied some info, you cut the number of people available to answer that question from about 1,000 to one single person. The reason Norway-L works so many miracles is that many people find clues attacking the problem form all kinds of different angles. Therefore and hencely-wise I added Norway-L to my reply here :-) I see only six children with Hans and Marie leaving Fjelberg 9 Mar 1875 Hans b. 5 Aug 1855 Eivind b. 1 Jan 1860 Jonas b. 5 May 1862 Ole b. 31 May 1865 Ingeborg Serine b. 1 Apr 1867 Amund b. 6 Mar 1870 If you look at the out-migrant record of 1875 in Fjelberg below where most of the family leaves, then work your way backwards through 1873, you will find three more children back to Petter born 13 Dec 1850 emigrating 10 Jun 1873. I think Hans is mentioned twice, 9 Aug 1874 and then with the family again in 1875. Did he return to Norway to lead the family over? Makes sense to me... I cannot find Kari Mari born 15 Jan 1849, but I do not see her in the 1865 census in Fjelberg so I wonder if she may have died in childhood? Source information: Hordaland county, Fjelberg, Parish register (official) nr. A 8 (1866-1879), Migration records 1875, page 319. Permanent pagelink: www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=11392&idx_id=11392&uid=ny&idx_side=-244 Cliff Lien Alberta, Canada cjl@interbaun.com From: Doris Waggoner Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2015 10:34 PM To: Cliff Lien Subject: Re: [NOR] Help locating a different Fatland family in Norway Cliff- Thank you, once again! I wondered, as it didn't seem to make sense that she would return. I have a question for you on that arrival list in NY. First, it appears to me that only 7 of the children appear. Am I reading that right? Jostein said the bygdebok indicated that all 10 emigrated. Also it seems that Hans, the husband who died in Liverpool is on the list. How can that be? I also have a technical question about copying what you sent me, but I'll try one more time tomorrow. The list has me almost overwhelmed with more info than I can make sense of for the moment. What a good place to be! Doris

Cliff, I will accept your wisdom, and include the list. Certainly the list has been very helpful to me in the past! I can open the pagelink you provide, but make no sense out of it. It opens to pg. 238, and I can move it to pg. 244. But I don't find any names that look like my family. Partly I know it's unfamiliarity with the old handwriting. What line numbers should I be looking for? This is the list of the family leaving the church for America? I have seen one of these before, so I would expect to see names, the date they left, and in the far right column the word "Amerika," and I don't see that. Did different regions use different forms for these church books? The one I saw an image of before was for Vestfold, in 1890. The birth year for Kari Marie comes from two different Ancestry trees, both unsourced, both with the birth year 1849. The marriage date for Hans and Dorotea is 29 May 1849, meaning Dorotea would have been pregnant with Kari when they were married, but this didn't disturb me. More to the point, one tree gave Kari a year of death of 1875, the other 1925, and one said she was married to Peter Bergland. She could have died in 1875 prior to the rest of the family emigrating. After you gave me the Find-A-Grave notice for Dorotea and her son Even (Evind) in Richland Co, ND, I widened the search to all of ND, looking for Kari, and didn't find her. There are few enough Fatlands that I should leave off the geographical limit entirely to find all the children of this family who died in the US. Peter and Amund show up in the index for ND, though I haven't had time to check them out yet. Back to the issue of Kari Marie. You may well be right that she died prior to the 1865 census; she may not even have married. Unsourced Ancestry trees are not always correct. My "technical" question that I referred to before is that in the page you sent me last night, I was able to enlarge it to read the list of the family, which included Hans in the family that arrived in New York. But once I enlarged it, I could not save it as a .jpg. It was now shown as a "large jpg" and that wasn't a file type that could be saved. It said "invalid image." I have a copy of a transcript of what I now realize is a ship's arrival that I got from Ancestry in 2011. It has the same six names of children on it that you list, though some of them are garbled. The father's name is included, and is "Andreas." We know now that he was not on the ship, having died in Liverpool, but the list would have shown his name, is that correct? So for now my questions are: How to read the page you sent me the link for. How to save it. I use ODT in Google, and can open a .jpg in Picasa if that makes any difference. How to save the page you sent me last night. Would Hans, the father, still have shown up on the list of arrivals in NY, since he had died in Liverpool? Any further clarification would be welcome as well. Thanks to any who can help, Doris On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Cliff Lien <cjl@interbaun.com> wrote: > Hi Doris, > > I highly recommend when you reply to any answer you might receive that you > reply to the whole list as well as your "answerer". > If you ask a further question of just the person that supplied some info, > you cut the number of people available to answer that question from about > 1,000 to one single person. The reason Norway-L works so many miracles is > that many people find clues attacking the problem form all kinds of > different angles. Therefore and hencely-wise I added Norway-L to my reply > here :-) > > I see only six children with Hans and Marie leaving Fjelberg 9 Mar 1875 > Hans b. 5 Aug 1855 > Eivind b. 1 Jan 1860 > Jonas b. 5 May 1862 > Ole b. 31 May 1865 > Ingeborg Serine b. 1 Apr 1867 > Amund b. 6 Mar 1870 > > > If you look at the out-migrant record of 1875 in Fjelberg below where most > of the family leaves, then work your way backwards through 1873, you will > find three more children back to Petter born 13 Dec 1850 emigrating 10 Jun > 1873. I think Hans is mentioned twice, 9 Aug 1874 and then with the family > again in 1875. Did he return to Norway to lead the family over? Makes > sense to me... > > I cannot find Kari Mari born 15 Jan 1849, but I do not see her in the 1865 > census in Fjelberg so I wonder if she may have died in childhood? > > Source information: Hordaland county, Fjelberg, > Parish register (official) nr. A 8 (1866-1879), Migration records 1875, > page 319. > Permanent pagelink: > www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=11392&idx_id= > 11392&uid=ny&idx_side=-244 > > > Cliff Lien > Alberta, Canada > cjl@interbaun.com > > > From: Doris Waggoner > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2015 10:34 PM > To: Cliff Lien > Subject: Re: [NOR] Help locating a different Fatland family in Norway > Cliff- > > Thank you, once again! I wondered, as it didn't seem to make sense that > she would return. I have a question for you on that arrival list in NY. > First, it appears to me that only 7 of the children appear. Am I reading > that right? Jostein said the bygdebok indicated that all 10 emigrated. Also > it seems that Hans, the husband who died in Liverpool is on the list. How > can that be? > > I also have a technical question about copying what you sent me, but I'll > try one more time tomorrow. > > The list has me almost overwhelmed with more info than I can make sense of > for the moment. What a good place to be! > > Doris > > >

Hi Doris, I don't really know what you are facing but when I want to save soemthing like an email and for some reason it doesn't save, I high light and copy it and paste it in an email and mail it to myself. You can make notes about it right on the same email. It is a computer-illiterate method but it works for me.;} Good luck. Take Care Barbara On 3/15/2015 11:43 PM, Doris Waggoner via wrote: > Cliff, > > I will accept your wisdom, and include the list. Certainly the list has > been very helpful to me in the past! > > I can open the pagelink you provide, but make no sense out of it. It opens > to pg. 238, and I can move it to pg. 244. But I don't find any names that > look like my family. Partly I know it's unfamiliarity with the old > handwriting. What line numbers should I be looking for? This is the list > of the family leaving the church for America? I have seen one of these > before, so I would expect to see names, the date they left, and in the far > right column the word "Amerika," and I don't see that. Did different > regions use different forms for these church books? The one I saw an image > of before was for Vestfold, in 1890. > > The birth year for Kari Marie comes from two different Ancestry trees, both > unsourced, both with the birth year 1849. The marriage date for Hans and > Dorotea is 29 May 1849, meaning Dorotea would have been pregnant with Kari > when they were married, but this didn't disturb me. More to the point, one > tree gave Kari a year of death of 1875, the other 1925, and one said she > was married to Peter Bergland. She could have died in 1875 prior to the > rest of the family emigrating. After you gave me the Find-A-Grave notice > for Dorotea and her son Even (Evind) in Richland Co, ND, I widened the > search to all of ND, looking for Kari, and didn't find her. There are few > enough Fatlands that I should leave off the geographical limit entirely to > find all the children of this family who died in the US. Peter and Amund > show up in the index for ND, though I haven't had time to check them out > yet. > > Back to the issue of Kari Marie. You may well be right that she died prior > to the 1865 census; she may not even have married. Unsourced Ancestry > trees are not always correct. > > My "technical" question that I referred to before is that in the page you > sent me last night, I was able to enlarge it to read the list of the > family, which included Hans in the family that arrived in New York. But > once I enlarged it, I could not save it as a .jpg. It was now shown as a > "large jpg" and that wasn't a file type that could be saved. It said > "invalid image." > > I have a copy of a transcript of what I now realize is a ship's arrival > that I got from Ancestry in 2011. It has the same six names of children on > it that you list, though some of them are garbled. The father's name is > included, and is "Andreas." We know now that he was not on the ship, > having died in Liverpool, but the list would have shown his name, is that > correct? > > So for now my questions are: > > How to read the page you sent me the link for. > > How to save it. I use ODT in Google, and can open a .jpg in Picasa if that > makes any difference. > > How to save the page you sent me last night. > > Would Hans, the father, still have shown up on the list of arrivals in NY, > since he had died in Liverpool? > > Any further clarification would be welcome as well. > > Thanks to any who can help, > Doris > > On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Cliff Lien <cjl@interbaun.com> wrote: > >> Hi Doris, >> >> I highly recommend when you reply to any answer you might receive that you >> reply to the whole list as well as your "answerer". >> If you ask a further question of just the person that supplied some info, >> you cut the number of people available to answer that question from about >> 1,000 to one single person. The reason Norway-L works so many miracles is >> that many people find clues attacking the problem form all kinds of >> different angles. Therefore and hencely-wise I added Norway-L to my reply >> here :-) >> >> I see only six children with Hans and Marie leaving Fjelberg 9 Mar 1875 >> Hans b. 5 Aug 1855 >> Eivind b. 1 Jan 1860 >> Jonas b. 5 May 1862 >> Ole b. 31 May 1865 >> Ingeborg Serine b. 1 Apr 1867 >> Amund b. 6 Mar 1870 >> >> >> If you look at the out-migrant record of 1875 in Fjelberg below where most >> of the family leaves, then work your way backwards through 1873, you will >> find three more children back to Petter born 13 Dec 1850 emigrating 10 Jun >> 1873. I think Hans is mentioned twice, 9 Aug 1874 and then with the family >> again in 1875. Did he return to Norway to lead the family over? Makes >> sense to me... >> >> I cannot find Kari Mari born 15 Jan 1849, but I do not see her in the 1865 >> census in Fjelberg so I wonder if she may have died in childhood? >> >> Source information: Hordaland county, Fjelberg, >> Parish register (official) nr. A 8 (1866-1879), Migration records 1875, >> page 319. >> Permanent pagelink: >> www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=11392&idx_id= >> 11392&uid=ny&idx_side=-244 >> >> >> Cliff Lien >> Alberta, Canada >> cjl@interbaun.com >> >> >> From: Doris Waggoner >> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2015 10:34 PM >> To: Cliff Lien >> Subject: Re: [NOR] Help locating a different Fatland family in Norway >> Cliff- >> >> Thank you, once again! I wondered, as it didn't seem to make sense that >> she would return. I have a question for you on that arrival list in NY. >> First, it appears to me that only 7 of the children appear. Am I reading >> that right? Jostein said the bygdebok indicated that all 10 emigrated. Also >> it seems that Hans, the husband who died in Liverpool is on the list. How >> can that be? >> >> I also have a technical question about copying what you sent me, but I'll >> try one more time tomorrow. >> >> The list has me almost overwhelmed with more info than I can make sense of >> for the moment. What a good place to be! >> >> Doris >> >> >> > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Sorry sleeping I guess... I sent the url instead of the link? Source information: Hordaland county, Fjelberg Parish register (official) nr. A 8 (1866-1879), Migration records 1875, page 319. Permanent pagelink: www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7004&idx_id=7004&uid=ny&idx_side=-244 Cliff Lien Alberta, Canada cjl@interbaun.com -----Original Message----- From: Cliff Lien via Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 10:22 AM To: Doris Waggoner ; Norway List Subject: Re: [NOR] Help locating a different Fatland family in Norway Hi Doris, I highly recommend when you reply to any answer you might receive that you reply to the whole list as well as your "answerer". If you ask a further question of just the person that supplied some info, you cut the number of people available to answer that question from about 1,000 to one single person. The reason Norway-L works so many miracles is that many people find clues attacking the problem form all kinds of different angles. Therefore and hencely-wise I added Norway-L to my reply here :-) I see only six children with Hans and Marie leaving Fjelberg 9 Mar 1875 Hans b. 5 Aug 1855 Eivind b. 1 Jan 1860 Jonas b. 5 May 1862 Ole b. 31 May 1865 Ingeborg Serine b. 1 Apr 1867 Amund b. 6 Mar 1870 If you look at the out-migrant record of 1875 in Fjelberg below where most of the family leaves, then work your way backwards through 1873, you will find three more children back to Petter born 13 Dec 1850 emigrating 10 Jun 1873. I think Hans is mentioned twice, 9 Aug 1874 and then with the family again in 1875. Did he return to Norway to lead the family over? Makes sense to me... I cannot find Kari Mari born 15 Jan 1849, but I do not see her in the 1865 census in Fjelberg so I wonder if she may have died in childhood? Source information: Hordaland county, Fjelberg, Parish register (official) nr. A 8 (1866-1879), Migration records 1875, page 319. Permanent pagelink: www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=11392&idx_id=11392&uid=ny&idx_side=-244 Cliff Lien Alberta, Canada cjl@interbaun.com