Save ? ?Print Share? Emery E Webber in the 1920 United States Federal Census Record Image View ?View blank form ?Add alternate information !Report issue Name: Emery E Webber [Emery E Weller] Age: 43 Birth Year: abt 1877 Birthplace: Minnesota Home in 1920: Portland, Multnomah, Oregon Street: 66th Street SE House Number: 5512 Race: White Gender: Male Relation to Head of House: Head Marital Status: Married Spouse's Name: Ethel Webber Father's Birthplace: Holland Mother's Birthplace: United States [United States of America] Able to Speak English: Yes Occupation: Chimney Insp Industry: Working Out Employment Field: Wage or Salary Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Emery E Webber 43 Ethel Webber 33 Lillian E Batchelor 15 Ida M Batchelor 12 Henry M Batchelor 8 Mary W Batchelor 6 Save ? Cancel Source Citation -------------------------------------------------- From: "Lars E. Oyane via" <norway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2015 1:38 PM To: <norway@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [NOR] 2nd attempt: Mathilda Ellsworth Anderson (1874-1927) -biography 1913-1920 Portland, OR-Seattle, WA - newspaper assistance? > Dear Listers, > > I have started asking myself what really happened in Portland, OR in those > years preceding 1920? > > The 1917 Portland city directory shows, among others, these entries: > > * J. Wm. Anderson (Matilda), printer, res. 1917 on 308 Jackson > > * Emery Webber (Matilda), chimney sweep., res. 690 1/2 E Morrison > > Can there be a "time lag" in the city directory? Is it possible that > Matilda was still "formally" married to Elmer Webber until 1919, while in > "reality" she was already in 1917 a "common-law" wife of John William > Anderson's? > > In the WW1 draft records from 1918 Elmer Webber is clearly alone, since > his "nearest relative" was his mother, while John William Anderson's > "nearest relative" was his wife Matilda? > > And yet I am convinced I have the "right" John William Anderson! They > moved about 1919 to Seattle, King Co., WA where I find them in the city > directories as follows: > > * 1920: John W. Anderson (Matilda), salesman, res. B3716 Angeline > > * 1922: John W. Anderson (Matilda), salesman Tent & Awning Co., res. 3716 > Angeline > > * 1924: J Wm Anderson (Matilda), res. 4017 23rd Ave SW > > * 1925: John W. Anderson (Mathilda), laborer, res. 4017 23rd Ave SW > > * 1926: Wm Anderson (Matilda), foreman ST&A Co, res. 4015(!) 23rd Ave SW > > * 1927: John W Anderson (Mathilda), salesman, res. 4017 23rd Ave SW > > Then John married Lucette, and they are together for one year: > > * 1928: John W Anderson (Lucette), salesman ST&A Co, res. 713 28th Ave > > Lucette remained on the same address, while John moved out. Perhaps these > entries are for him: > > * 1929: J W Anderson, res. 2320 41st Ave SW > > * 1930: J W Anderson, laborer, res. Hazel, WA > > I have always wondered what became of John William Anderson! Any > suggestions? > > Thanks again for your wonderful assistance identifying John William > Anderson and his wife/wives! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On Mar 7, 2015, at 7:41 PM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: > >> Dear Mark and other Listers! >> >> Mark, I have found something very interesting in the WW1 draft record >> system which makes me wonder whether that divorce "debate" from Portland, >> OR could be a year or more off? >> >> Emery Elsworth Webber's WW1 draft record from 1918 shows him as being >> unmarried and a ship yard worker, and his closest relative was his mother >> Ella Webber! Why would he be accused by Mathilda for NOT beig a ship >> yard worker, when he already was one? >> >> Then I found this in the WW1 draft records: >> >> John William ANDERSON, born Aug. 4, 1877, a truck driver residing on 492 >> 1/2 E. Burnside in Portland, OR with nearest relative MATILDA ANDERSON, >> same address. The card is signed Sep. 12, 1918 and has an extra notation >> with a new address: 2957 Charles street, Seattle, WA! >> >> John's age is a perfect "match" with Mathilda's 4th husband, and they did >> move to Seattle, WA, so I believe this is the one we want! >> >> But then, Emery and Mathilda's divorce must have occurred BEFORE Sep of >> 1918. >> >> Next question: Can John and Mathilda's marriage be found in Oregon? >> >> Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> On Mar 7, 2015, at 1:20 PM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: >> >>> Dear Mark, Barbara, Greg and other listers! >>> >>> "What a wonderful world - and list..." Thanks a million, Mark, for >>> having discovered the "secret" behind Mathilda's 3rd marriage! It is >>> just amazing what these newspaper columns may include of information, as >>> long as it's possible to search for names in them! Thanks also to >>> Barbara and Greg for further comments! If it wasn't for Ellsworth being >>> of German background, I would have thought they were Ole and Lena >>> arguing in that divorce procedure from Portland...!! >>> >>> Looking around a little bit, I see that Emery Elsworth Webber on his WW1 >>> draft says he was born Oct. 4, 1875, and he was then indeed working in >>> the ship yards!!! The 1880 census for Rice Co., MN gives his father's >>> name as Conrad Weber, and the family obviously got around! In 1900 they >>> were in Grand Forks, ND, but the children born between 1887 and 1896 >>> were born in Washington! Then by 1910 Conrad had died, and his wife had >>> moved to Portland OR! >>> >>> Now that the "Ellsworth" part of this problem has been solved, I hope it >>> may also be possible to find Mathilda's 4th marriage to John W. >>> Anderson? They must have been married in the fall of 1919, between >>> Portland, OR and Seattle, WA? >>> >>> Thanks again, Mark for once more making my day! >>> >>> Very sincerely yours, >>> >>> Lars E. Oyane >>> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>> On Mar 7, 2015, at 10:54 AM, Mark Erickson via wrote: >>> >>>> The Oregon Daily Journal (Portland, Oregon) · Sun, Apr 6, 1919 · Page >>>> 10 >>>> DIVORCE COURT A BUSY PLACE >>>> E. Ellsworth Webber, a chimney sweep, alleges in a complaint for >>>> divorce >>>> that his wife, Matilda, nagged him continually to change his vocation >>>> and seek more lucrative employment in the shipyards >>> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

Dear Barbara, Jerrald and other Listers! Thank you very much for your latest comments on my Mathilda Anderson problem! I guess I expressed myself rather "clumsy" when I suggested that John and Mathilda lived in a "common-law" union. It would be more correct to say that they "lived together", pretending being husband and wife! OR, are we talking about two different Mathilda's? To follow Emery Webber's later destiny falls "kind-of" outside my project, but I note with interest that Emery must have remarried very shortly after he divorced Mathilda! Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! Hopefully more can be found on John William Anderson and his marriage to Mathilda... I keep twisting my fingers... Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Mar 8, 2015, at 2:46 PM, Jerrald Lloyd via wrote: > > Emery E Webber in the 1920 United States Federal Census > > Name: > Emery E Webber > [Emery E Weller] > > Age: > 43 > > Birth Year: > abt 1877 > > Birthplace: > Minnesota > > Home in 1920: > Portland, Multnomah, Oregon > > Street: > 66th Street SE > > House Number: > 5512 > > Race: > White > > Gender: > Male > > Relation to Head of House: > Head > > Marital Status: > Married > > Spouse's Name: > Ethel Webber > > Father's Birthplace: > Holland > > Mother's Birthplace: > United States > [United States of America] > > Able to Speak English: > Yes > > Occupation: > Chimney Insp > > Industry: > Working Out > > Employment Field: > Wage or Salary > > Neighbors: > View others on page > > Household Members: > > Emery E Webber 43 > Ethel Webber 33 > Lillian E Batchelor 15 > Ida M Batchelor 12 > Henry M Batchelor 8 > Mary W Batchelor 6 > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Lars E. Oyane via" <norway@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2015 1:38 PM > To: <norway@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [NOR] 2nd attempt: Mathilda Ellsworth Anderson > (1874-1927) -biography 1913-1920 Portland, OR-Seattle, WA - newspaper > assistance? > >> Dear Listers, >> >> I have started asking myself what really happened in Portland, OR in those >> years preceding 1920? >> >> The 1917 Portland city directory shows, among others, these entries: >> >> * J. Wm. Anderson (Matilda), printer, res. 1917 on 308 Jackson >> >> * Emery Webber (Matilda), chimney sweep., res. 690 1/2 E Morrison >> >> Can there be a "time lag" in the city directory? Is it possible that >> Matilda was still "formally" married to Emery Webber until 1919, while in >> "reality" she was already in 1917 a "common-law" wife of John William >> Anderson's? >> >> In the WW1 draft records from 1918 Emery Webber is clearly alone, since >> his "nearest relative" was his mother, while John William Anderson's >> "nearest relative" was his wife Matilda? >> >> And yet I am convinced I have the "right" John William Anderson! They >> moved about 1919 to Seattle, King Co., WA where I find them in the city >> directories as follows: >> >> * 1920: John W. Anderson (Matilda), salesman, res. B3716 Angeline >> >> * 1922: John W. Anderson (Matilda), salesman Tent & Awning Co., res. 3716 >> Angeline >> >> * 1924: J Wm Anderson (Matilda), res. 4017 23rd Ave SW >> >> * 1925: John W. Anderson (Mathilda), laborer, res. 4017 23rd Ave SW >> >> * 1926: Wm Anderson (Matilda), foreman ST&A Co, res. 4015(!) 23rd Ave SW >> >> * 1927: John W Anderson (Mathilda), salesman, res. 4017 23rd Ave SW >> >> Then John married Lucette, and they are together for one year: >> >> * 1928: John W Anderson (Lucette), salesman ST&A Co, res. 713 28th Ave >> >> Lucette remained on the same address, while John moved out. Perhaps these >> entries are for him: >> >> * 1929: J W Anderson, res. 2320 41st Ave SW >> >> * 1930: J W Anderson, laborer, res. Hazel, WA >> >> I have always wondered what became of John William Anderson! Any >> suggestions? >> >> Thanks again for your wonderful assistance identifying John William >> Anderson and his wife/wives! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> On Mar 7, 2015, at 7:41 PM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: >> >>> Dear Mark and other Listers! >>> >>> Mark, I have found something very interesting in the WW1 draft record >>> system which makes me wonder whether that divorce "debate" from Portland, >>> OR could be a year or more off? >>> >>> Emery Elsworth Webber's WW1 draft record from 1918 shows him as being >>> unmarried and a ship yard worker, and his closest relative was his mother >>> Ella Webber! Why would he be accused by Mathilda for NOT beig a ship >>> yard worker, when he already was one? >>> >>> Then I found this in the WW1 draft records: >>> >>> John William ANDERSON, born Aug. 4, 1877, a truck driver residing on 492 >>> 1/2 E. Burnside in Portland, OR with nearest relative MATILDA ANDERSON, >>> same address. The card is signed Sep. 12, 1918 and has an extra notation >>> with a new address: 2957 Charles street, Seattle, WA! >>> >>> John's age is a perfect "match" with Mathilda's 4th husband, and they did >>> move to Seattle, WA, so I believe this is the one we want! >>> >>> But then, Emery and Mathilda's divorce must have occurred BEFORE Sep of >>> 1918. >>> >>> Next question: Can John and Mathilda's marriage be found in Oregon? >>> >>> Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! >>> >>> Very sincerely yours, >>> >>> Lars E. Oyane >>> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>> On Mar 7, 2015, at 1:20 PM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Mark, Barbara, Greg and other listers! >>>> >>>> "What a wonderful world - and list..." Thanks a million, Mark, for >>>> having discovered the "secret" behind Mathilda's 3rd marriage! It is >>>> just amazing what these newspaper columns may include of information, as >>>> long as it's possible to search for names in them! Thanks also to >>>> Barbara and Greg for further comments! If it wasn't for Ellsworth being >>>> of German background, I would have thought they were Ole and Lena >>>> arguing in that divorce procedure from Portland...!! >>>> >>>> Looking around a little bit, I see that Emery Elsworth Webber on his WW1 >>>> draft says he was born Oct. 4, 1875, and he was then indeed working in >>>> the ship yards!!! The 1880 census for Rice Co., MN gives his father's >>>> name as Conrad Weber, and the family obviously got around! In 1900 they >>>> were in Grand Forks, ND, but the children born between 1887 and 1896 >>>> were born in Washington! Then by 1910 Conrad had died, and his wife had >>>> moved to Portland OR! >>>> >>>> Now that the "Ellsworth" part of this problem has been solved, I hope it >>>> may also be possible to find Mathilda's 4th marriage to John W. >>>> Anderson? They must have been married in the fall of 1919, between >>>> Portland, OR and Seattle, WA? >>>> >>>> Thanks again, Mark for once more making my day! >>>> >>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>> >>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>> >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>> >>>> On Mar 7, 2015, at 10:54 AM, Mark Erickson via wrote: >>>> >>>>> The Oregon Daily Journal (Portland, Oregon) · Sun, Apr 6, 1919 · Page >>>>> 10 >>>>> DIVORCE COURT A BUSY PLACE >>>>> E. Ellsworth Webber, a chimney sweep, alleges in a complaint for >>>>> divorce >>>>> that his wife, Matilda, nagged him continually to change his vocation >>>>> and seek more lucrative employment in the shipyards

Dear Listers, Hoping that Clark doesn't accuse me for hijacking the list again (hehe), I would like to relaunch this inquiry regarding John William Anderson and his marriage to Mathilda Webber, and maybe even get some help to figure out what became of John? I am completely "stuck" on this problem... Maybe newspaper clippings can help? Thanks a million for your wonderful assistance! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Mar 8, 2015, at 5:23 PM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: > Dear Barbara, Jerrald and other Listers! > > Thank you very much for your latest comments on my Mathilda Anderson problem! > > I guess I expressed myself rather "clumsy" when I suggested that John and Mathilda lived in a "common-law" union. It would be more correct to say that they "lived together", pretending being husband and wife! OR, are we talking about two different Mathilda's? > > To follow Emery Webber's later destiny falls "kind-of" outside my project, but I note with interest that Emery must have remarried very shortly after he divorced Mathilda! > > Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! Hopefully more can be found on John William Anderson and his marriage to Mathilda... I keep twisting my fingers... > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On Mar 8, 2015, at 2:46 PM, Jerrald Lloyd via wrote: > >> >> Emery E Webber in the 1920 United States Federal Census >> >> Name: >> Emery E Webber >> [Emery E Weller] >> >> Age: >> 43 >> >> Birth Year: >> abt 1877 >> >> Birthplace: >> Minnesota >> >> Home in 1920: >> Portland, Multnomah, Oregon >> >> Street: >> 66th Street SE >> >> House Number: >> 5512 >> >> Race: >> White >> >> Gender: >> Male >> >> Relation to Head of House: >> Head >> >> Marital Status: >> Married >> >> Spouse's Name: >> Ethel Webber >> >> Father's Birthplace: >> Holland >> >> Mother's Birthplace: >> United States >> [United States of America] >> >> Able to Speak English: >> Yes >> >> Occupation: >> Chimney Insp >> >> Industry: >> Working Out >> >> Employment Field: >> Wage or Salary >> >> Neighbors: >> View others on page >> >> Household Members: >> >> Emery E Webber 43 >> Ethel Webber 33 >> Lillian E Batchelor 15 >> Ida M Batchelor 12 >> Henry M Batchelor 8 >> Mary W Batchelor 6 >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Lars E. Oyane via" <norway@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2015 1:38 PM >> To: <norway@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: Re: [NOR] 2nd attempt: Mathilda Ellsworth Anderson >> (1874-1927) -biography 1913-1920 Portland, OR-Seattle, WA - newspaper >> assistance? >> >>> Dear Listers, >>> >>> I have started asking myself what really happened in Portland, OR in those >>> years preceding 1920? >>> >>> The 1917 Portland city directory shows, among others, these entries: >>> >>> * J. Wm. Anderson (Matilda), printer, res. 1917 on 308 Jackson >>> >>> * Emery Webber (Matilda), chimney sweep., res. 690 1/2 E Morrison >>> >>> Can there be a "time lag" in the city directory? Is it possible that >>> Matilda was still "formally" married to Emery Webber until 1919, while in >>> "reality" she was already in 1917 a "common-law" wife of John William >>> Anderson's? >>> >>> In the WW1 draft records from 1918 Emery Webber is clearly alone, since >>> his "nearest relative" was his mother, while John William Anderson's >>> "nearest relative" was his wife Matilda? >>> >>> And yet I am convinced I have the "right" John William Anderson! They >>> moved about 1919 to Seattle, King Co., WA where I find them in the city >>> directories as follows: >>> >>> * 1920: John W. Anderson (Matilda), salesman, res. B3716 Angeline >>> >>> * 1922: John W. Anderson (Matilda), salesman Tent & Awning Co., res. 3716 >>> Angeline >>> >>> * 1924: J Wm Anderson (Matilda), res. 4017 23rd Ave SW >>> >>> * 1925: John W. Anderson (Mathilda), laborer, res. 4017 23rd Ave SW >>> >>> * 1926: Wm Anderson (Matilda), foreman ST&A Co, res. 4015(!) 23rd Ave SW >>> >>> * 1927: John W Anderson (Mathilda), salesman, res. 4017 23rd Ave SW >>> >>> Then John married Lucette, and they are together for one year: >>> >>> * 1928: John W Anderson (Lucette), salesman ST&A Co, res. 713 28th Ave >>> >>> Lucette remained on the same address, while John moved out. Perhaps these >>> entries are for him: >>> >>> * 1929: J W Anderson, res. 2320 41st Ave SW >>> >>> * 1930: J W Anderson, laborer, res. Hazel, WA >>> >>> I have always wondered what became of John William Anderson! Any >>> suggestions? >>> >>> Thanks again for your wonderful assistance identifying John William >>> Anderson and his wife/wives! >>> >>> Very sincerely yours, >>> >>> Lars E. Oyane >>> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>> On Mar 7, 2015, at 7:41 PM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Mark and other Listers! >>>> >>>> Mark, I have found something very interesting in the WW1 draft record >>>> system which makes me wonder whether that divorce "debate" from Portland, >>>> OR could be a year or more off? >>>> >>>> Emery Elsworth Webber's WW1 draft record from 1918 shows him as being >>>> unmarried and a ship yard worker, and his closest relative was his mother >>>> Ella Webber! Why would he be accused by Mathilda for NOT beig a ship >>>> yard worker, when he already was one? >>>> >>>> Then I found this in the WW1 draft records: >>>> >>>> John William ANDERSON, born Aug. 4, 1877, a truck driver residing on 492 >>>> 1/2 E. Burnside in Portland, OR with nearest relative MATILDA ANDERSON, >>>> same address. The card is signed Sep. 12, 1918 and has an extra notation >>>> with a new address: 2957 Charles street, Seattle, WA! >>>> >>>> John's age is a perfect "match" with Mathilda's 4th husband, and they did >>>> move to Seattle, WA, so I believe this is the one we want! >>>> >>>> But then, Emery and Mathilda's divorce must have occurred BEFORE Sep of >>>> 1918. >>>> >>>> Next question: Can John and Mathilda's marriage be found in Oregon? >>>> >>>> Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! >>>> >>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>> >>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>> >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>> >>>> On Mar 7, 2015, at 1:20 PM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Mark, Barbara, Greg and other listers! >>>>> >>>>> "What a wonderful world - and list..." Thanks a million, Mark, for >>>>> having discovered the "secret" behind Mathilda's 3rd marriage! It is >>>>> just amazing what these newspaper columns may include of information, as >>>>> long as it's possible to search for names in them! Thanks also to >>>>> Barbara and Greg for further comments! If it wasn't for Ellsworth being >>>>> of German background, I would have thought they were Ole and Lena >>>>> arguing in that divorce procedure from Portland...!! >>>>> >>>>> Looking around a little bit, I see that Emery Elsworth Webber on his WW1 >>>>> draft says he was born Oct. 4, 1875, and he was then indeed working in >>>>> the ship yards!!! The 1880 census for Rice Co., MN gives his father's >>>>> name as Conrad Weber, and the family obviously got around! In 1900 they >>>>> were in Grand Forks, ND, but the children born between 1887 and 1896 >>>>> were born in Washington! Then by 1910 Conrad had died, and his wife had >>>>> moved to Portland OR! >>>>> >>>>> Now that the "Ellsworth" part of this problem has been solved, I hope it >>>>> may also be possible to find Mathilda's 4th marriage to John W. >>>>> Anderson? They must have been married in the fall of 1919, between >>>>> Portland, OR and Seattle, WA? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks again, Mark for once more making my day! >>>>> >>>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>>> >>>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>>> >>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 7, 2015, at 10:54 AM, Mark Erickson via wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The Oregon Daily Journal (Portland, Oregon) · Sun, Apr 6, 1919 · Page >>>>>> 10 >>>>>> DIVORCE COURT A BUSY PLACE >>>>>> E. Ellsworth Webber, a chimney sweep, alleges in a complaint for >>>>>> divorce >>>>>> that his wife, Matilda, nagged him continually to change his vocation >>>>>> and seek more lucrative employment in the shipyards