Simply put, this is a technical problem, and is NOT about anyone's personal behavior. From: Steinar Vissebråten via <norway@rootsweb.com> To: norway@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 6:17 AM Subject: [NOR] Question for the group. Hello everyone. As a fond reader of the list I see that I am trashing more and more mails from the group! I don't even care to read them! WHY? The readers of the list and writers to the list don't use any spaces or RETUN in their letters. The whole thing for me seems as an endless page of letters. You really need to look knowing what is the question or answer. I think education was to learn how to tell a story and let others find out the meaning of something.?! I don't know if I am the only one that really have a problem or it is a new way of writing questions and answers! If this contiues I'll consider getting of the list as these mails for me is just nothing. I have no time to get the email I need to adjust before I can read them. I would like to get other opinions about this so we could try to change it before it gets too many of these - to me - nonsence. Below is a sample of what I mean and how it shows up when I open my mails. Thanks for reading. Steinar Here's a few more: 20 Mar 1896 "Salt Lake Tribune". Judge W. L. Maginnis and W. H. O'Brein returned yesterday from Idaho, where they have been on business. 16 May 1896 "Salt Lake Tribune". Attorney W. H. OBrien is confined to his room with severe attack of neuralgia. 30 Dec. 1916 "Ogden Standard", Utah. MRS. W. H. O'BRIEN HAS BEEN RELEASED. Acting on request of County Attorney Joseph E. Evans, Deputy Sheriff Curtis Allison yesterday located Mrs. W. H. O'Brien at Buhl, Idaho, where her husband is employed. etc. On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Mark Erickson <merickson1870@gmail.com> wrote: > Your William was born in MD abt 1867, studied at the University of > Edinburgh, and became a lawyer. Lot of coincindences. > > 10 Jan 1897, "The Salt Lake Tribune", page 18 > William H. O'Brien. > William. H. O'Brien, a Weber county member of the lower house, was born in > Baltimore, Md., in 1866, but at an early age. he was taken by his parents > to India, where his father engaged in commerce on the Irrawady river. He > was sent to Scotland and took a three years' course in the University of > Edinburgh, afterward going to Germany to complete his education. His > health, however, becoming impaired he was obliged to forego his studies and > spend some months in travel, visiting different parts of India and South > Africa. Finally, in 1885, when only 19 years of age, O'Brien came to this > country, locating in western Kansas, where he remained about a year. At > that time he was attracted to Denver by the great boom, and going there > engaged in surveying. About six years of his life were spent in Colorado, > in Denver, Leadville, Aspen and other points, the most of the time being > occupied in surveying, mining and mining engineering. In 1891 he came to > Salt Lake City, where he commenced the study of law, afterward completing > his studies at Ogden. He is now associated with Judge W. L. Maginnis. He > was put on the ticket by the committee on the resignation of W. L. Peyton. > > On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 9:21 AM, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > >> Dear Carol, Barbara, Mark and other Listers! >> >> Thank you very much for your latest messages on this topic! >> >> To Carol: Yes, have used the Website of the Parish, and it says nothing >> about business hours. The phone just rings busy all the time... Not >> normal! >> >> To Barbara: No, William O'Brien appears to have "stayed put" after he is >> found in Idaho in 1900, 1910, 1915 (marriage), 1920 and dying in 1925 at >> Pocatello, ID. He was a lawyer! >> >> To Mark: I am most grateful for your efforts "ploughing thru" various >> newspaper items regarding William H. O'Brien, only too bad nowhere are >> listed any relatives of HIS! >> >> The only place where relatives are mentioned, is in that death notice >> from 1925, but the part about the relatives (great niece in Chicago, IL?) >> are so hard to read, I cannot make anything meaningful out of it... >> >> But still there is hope. He must have been from somewhere, if we could >> only find the "right" place to look! >> >> Thanks again for your wonderful assistance! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> On Feb 25, 2015, at 9:51 AM, Mark Erickson via wrote: >> >> > You might already have this information, and I don't know if it helps >> with >> > any of your questions, but here's a few things I found about them. >> > >> > >> > They're both in the book "Centennial history of Lemhi County, Idaho >> > <https://archive.org/details/centennialhistor00lemh>" >> > >> > PAGE 120 • School Superintendents >> > >> > Clara A. Digles 1915-1919 >> > >> > >> > PAGE 218 • Lemhi County Proseccuting Attorney >> > >> > Numerous attorneys have held this position. The position has been a >> > springboard to other positions. >> > >> > William H. O'Brien, 1909-11 >> > >> > >> > 16 Jan 1913 Ad in the "Idaho Recorder". W. H. O'BRIEN, Attorney at Law >> > >> > Office with Judge McCracken. Soon to occupy offices in Citizen National >> > Bank Building. >> > >> > >> > 2 Oct 1913 Ad in the "Idaho Recorder". W. H. O'BRIEN, Attorney at Law >> > >> > Office Court House, Salmon, Idaho >> > >> > >> > 29 Dec 1916 Ad in the "Idaho Recorder". O'BRIEN & GLENNON, Attorneys >> at Law >> > >> > Offices in the I.O.O.F. Bldg., Salmon, Idaho >> > >> > (I.O.O.F = International Order of Odd Fellows) >> > >> > >> > He seems to have a history of working with Oil and Mining Companies. >> > >> > MUSGROVE MINING CO. >> > >> > (District Court, D. Idaho, E. D. July 11, 1916.) >> > >> > In the matter of the bankruptcy of the Musgrove Mining Company, a >> > corporation. >> > >> > O'Brien & Glennon, of Salmon, for Musgrove Mining Co. >> > >> > >> > There's a case from 1919 featuring O'Brien & Glennon, of Salmon, so they >> > were still practicing law together at that time. There are a lot of hits >> > for "O'Brien Glennon" in the Salmon Public Library newspapers link from >> > earlier in this thread. >> > >> > >> > 20 Sep 1918 "Idaho Recorder" Mrs. W. H. O'Brien and daughter Esther >> > Diggles left Tuesday morning for California: Miss Esther to enter >> Berkley, >> > Mrs. O'Brien will return to Henry, Idaho, to teach. >> > >> > >> > 13 June 1919 "Idaho Recorder" Mrs. Clara Diggles O'Brien and her >> daughter >> > Esther are home in Salmon, the mother from Henry and the daughter from >> the >> > university at Berkley, California. >> > >> > >> > There are several other articles from after his death that refer to her >> as >> > "Mrs. Clara Diggles O'Brien". >> > >> > On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Barbara Young via <norway@rootsweb.com >> > >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Dear Lars, >> >> >> >> I have not been following this thread closely but it occurs to me that >> >> since this man seems to be traveling across the country, did he work >> for >> >> a company that had large projects and he would be sent to work in these >> >> places and would stay until the job was finished and then go to the >> next >> >> project he was sent to? >> >> >> >> All the best >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Barbara in MA >> >> >> >> >> >> On 2/25/2015 12:39 AM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: >> >>> Dear Kathy and other Listers! >> >>> >> >>> Thank you very much, Kathy, for you latest message with the O'Brien >> >> family from the 1870 census for Baltimore, MD. I am still not >> convinced >> >> this be the "right" family, but it must be the same as the one found >> in San >> >> Francisco, CA in 1880. >> >>> >> >>> Now, I have tried to reach the St. Pauls Episcopal Church at >> Blackfoot, >> >> ID, but the phne number given on the Website apparently is no longer >> valid, >> >> so I am kind of "stuck", again... Maybe it isn't the "right" church >> after >> >> all? Any suggestions anyone? >> >>> >> >>> Or has anyone found other newspaper items about William H. O'Brien in >> >> Idaho that can help? >> >>> >> >>> Thanks again to everyone for your great assistance in this matter! >> >>> >> >>> Very sincerely yours, >> >>> >> >>> Lars E. Oyane >> >>> >> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >>> >> >>> On Feb 22, 2015, at 11:33 AM, Kathy Hines wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Dear Lars, >> >>>> >> >>>> That must be this family from Baltimore, MD. Everybody only aged >> about >> >> 7 years in the intervening 10 years. >> >>>> >> >>>> Page No. 467 >> >>>> Schedule 1 - Inhabitants in the Eighteenth Ward, in the City of >> >> Baltimore, State of Maryland, enumerated by me on the 19th day of >> August, >> >> 1870. >> >>>> Post Office: Baltimore, MD >> >>>> (must be a duplex? The Patrick (29) and Anna (24) McGainey family >> live >> >> in HH 2827 as well.) >> >>>> 3605 OBrien William, 43, m, w, Laborer, Ireland, cannot write, male >> >> citizen of the U.S. >> >>>> Bridget, 43, f, w, Ireland, cannot read or write >> >>>> Mary A, 12, f, w, Md >> >>>> James, 3/12, m, w, Md, b. Mch >> >>>> Catharine, 8, f, w, Md, attended school within the year >> >>>> Bridget, 6, f, w, Md, attended school within the year >> >>>> William, 5, m, w, Md >> >>>> >> >>>> I looked for Baltimore births on ancestry.com, but there seems to >> be a >> >> great shortage of them. :) >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> I tried looking up the parents on findagrave, in the hopes that a >> >> parents’ obit might say where their children were. But I was really >> >> shocked to see how many Bridget O’Briens there were in Holy Cross >> Catholic >> >> Cemetery in San Mateo county. I quit counting at 21! >> >>>> >> >>>> I struck out finding James O’Brien b. March 1870 in MD on the the >> 1900 >> >> California census. I didn’t find a likely Wm/Bridget either. Though >> they >> >> would have been about 73 by 1900 and may have already passed away by >> that >> >> time. >> >>>> >> >>>> It’s possible that this was Catherine’s marriage. She would have >> been >> >> about 26 by this time. >> >>>> NAME: Catherine O'Brien >> >>>> SPOUSE: Thomas Joseph Honigan >> >>>> MARRIAGE: 12 Nov 1888 - San Francisco >> >>>> >> >>>> I wonder if the obits for any of the family members of *this* William >> >> O’Brien would mention him being in Idaho? >> >>>> >> >>>> Kathy >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> On Feb 22, 2015, at 4:16 AM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> >> >> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Dear Kathy and other Listers! >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Thank you very much, Kathy, for your latest comments on my William >> H. >> >> O'Brien problem! >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I hadn't thought of checking out that marriage record before as far >> as >> >> church records are concerned. They were married by the Curator of the >> St. >> >> Paul P.E. Church at Blackfoot, ID, but can you tell me which church >> that >> >> may be? A Curator is a certain degree of Priest in the Catholic >> church, >> >> while P.E. church appears to refer to Episcopal church. At Blackfoot, >> ID >> >> today there is just one St. Paul church, and that is: St Pauls >> Episcopal >> >> Church, 72 N Shilling Ave, Blackfoot, ID (208)785-4474. I found an >> >> e-mail address and wrote a message, but it bounced back, so must no >> longer >> >> be good... I'll try to call them during the week... (Hopefully it's >> the >> >> "right" church) >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Then you have the San Francisco, CA voter list from 1890, which I >> >> hadn't see before. Now, that William O'Brien does NOT show up in any >> >> census records from 1900, 1910 or 1920 in California, but I suspect he >> be >> >> part of this family from San Francisco, CA 1880: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> O'Brien, William 50 laborer Ire Ire Ire >> >>>>> O'Brien, Bridget 46 wife keeping house Ire Ire Ire >> >>>>> O'Brien, Mary Ann 20 daughter boarder MD Ire Ire >> >>>>> O'Brien, Elizabeth 15 daughter boarder MD Ire Ire >> >>>>> O'Brien, William 13 son driver of wagon MD Ire Ire >> >>>>> O'Brien, James 7 son at school MD Ire Ire >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I find the family living 1870 in Baltimore, MD; the ages a little >> bit >> >> off, but still with both parents born in Ireland! >> >>>>> >> >>>>> This William O'Brien is probably the same one as the one from the >> >> voter list, but can he be the one who shows up in Idaho? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! I don't >> easily >> >> give up! >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Very sincerely yours, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Lars E. Oyane >> >>>>> >> >>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Feb 22, 2015, at 2:21 AM, Kathy Hines via wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> Somebody may have already posted this and I’m just behind the times >> >> again. :) Just in case you haven’t seen this yet: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> California, Great Registers >> >>>>>> Name: William O'Brien < >> >> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VTXW-WBT> >> >>>>>> Event Type: Voter Registration >> >>>>>> Event Date: 1890 >> >>>>>> Event Place: Silver Av Merr & Brnold, San Francisco, >> >> California, United States >> >>>>>> Age: 22 >> >>>>>> Birth Year (Estimated): 1868 >> >>>>>> Birthplace: Maryland >> >>>>>> GS Film number: 977642 < >> >> >> https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A977642 >> > >> >> , Digital Folder Number: 005030282 < >> >> >> https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A005030282 >> > >> >> , Image Number: 00205 >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 11:50 PM, Kathy Hines via < >> norway@rootsweb.com> >> >> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Thanks, Lars. I glanced at that county record book for the >> >> marriages and I wonder if St Paul’s Church might not have a more >> detailed >> >> record of their backgrounds. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> I also looked at his death record on famiysearch.org < >> >> http://famiysearch.org/>. The informant was the Secretary of the >> >> Pocatello Elks Club. Maybe you can contact them and see if they have >> any >> >> information or history of early members of the club: >> >>>>>>> http://www.elks.org/lodges/ContactUs.cfm?LodgeNumber=0674 < >> >> http://www.elks.org/lodges/ContactUs.cfm?LodgeNumber=0674> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Kathy >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 5:11 PM, Lars E. Oyane via < >> norway@rootsweb.com> >> >> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Dear Kathy and other Listers! >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Thank you very much, Kathy, for your latest comment on William H. >> >> O'Brien. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> When I read your message, I am wondering whether you read this >> >> posting that I made a week ago: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Dear Listers, >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I have another "challenge" for you today: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Peder Aamundson from Sogndal Co., Norway (1837-1921) and wife >> >> Christine Peterson from Hafslo parish, Luster Co., Norway (1850-1927), >> >> pioneer ranchers in Lemhi Co., ID, had a son-in-law that I am having >> >> difficulties identifying: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> William H. O'Brien >> >>>>>>>> supposedly born in Maryland Feb. 17, 1867 >> >>>>>>>> died at Pocatello, ID Jan. 27, 1925 >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> William was a lawyer and presumably must have studied law at some >> >> university in or near Maryland!? Or maybe he studied somewhere else?? >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Documentations: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> * 1900 census for Boise, Ada Co., ID shown William H. O'Brien >> born >> >> Feb. 1867 in MD, parents born in VA and NY, a single lawyer. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> * 1910 census for Salmon, Lemhi Co., ID shows William H. O'Brien. >> >> aged 42 (MD 1868), parents born in VA and NY, a single lawyer - county >> >> attorney >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> * 1920 census for Pocatello, Bannock Co., ID shows William H. >> >> O'Brien, aged 52 (MD 1867), parents born in VA and NY, married, lawyer >> - >> >> retired attorney >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> * 1925 death certificate from Pocatello, ID shows William H. >> >> O'Brien, lawyer, born in MD Feb. 17, 1867 - parents unknown >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> William appears to be rather "consistent" in regard to place of >> >> birth, since the parents are said to be born in VA and NY in all three >> >> censuses, and yet: I have so far not been able to find William >> anywhere in >> >> the 1870 or 1880 censuses! >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> ** Can anyone help me find William H. in the 1870 and/or 1880 >> >> censuses, i.e. exact place of his birth? >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> ** How about his middle name, H....? >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> ** Maybe William's student record can be found, i.e. where did he >> >> go to law-school? >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Thanks a million in advance for your great assistance in this >> >> matter! >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Very sincerely yours, >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Lars E. Oyane >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Here I have included all I know about William H. O'Brien. As you >> >> see, there are absolutely NO suggestions that he was born in Scotland, >> and >> >> if you search the census records from 1900, 1910, 1920 and 1930 you >> find NO >> >> William O'Briens in the state of IDAHO born in SCOTLAND, and then >> >> definitely none that are lawyers! >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I have no obituaries describing him, but I have been in contact >> >> with relatives of his wife Clara's and have put together this >> biography for >> >> Clara: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> "Clara Julia Amonson, born in Lemhi Co., ID Jan. 18, 1874, died >> at >> >> Blackfoot, ID Sep. 6, 1954. She was a school teacher, but married 1st >> time >> >> at Palo Alto, CA Oct 14, 1900 to James Arthur aka Arthur Diggles, born >> in >> >> Siskiyou Co., CA Aug. 10, 1871. He was a mining engineer, and the >> couple >> >> resided at Broken Hill, NSW, Australia. Arthur died at Largs Bay near >> >> Adelaide, Australia May 14, 1910, and in 1911 Clara returned to >> Idaho. She >> >> remarried at Blackfoot, ID on Aug. 30, 1915 to William H. O'Brien, our >> >> subject, born in MD Feb. 17, 1867. He died at Pocatello, ID Jan. 27, >> >> 1925. William was a lawyer and for a while Lemhi Co. lawyer, while >> Clara >> >> for a while was Lemhi Co. Superintendant of Schools. She taught school >> >> various places in MT and ID. One daughter from her 1st marriage died >> >> without descendants." >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I am unable to find Clara in the 1920 census, but in 1920 William >> >> was said to be married and living alone in Pocatello, ID! It may seem >> like >> >> they separated or divorced, since by 1930 Clara "widowed" was listed as >> >> Clara Diggles in the Montana census, and that's the name she used when >> she >> >> died in 1954! >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I am unable to produce other evidence, but do hope that William >> H. >> >> O'Brien's origin can be found! Thanks a million! >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Very sincerely yours, >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Lars E. Oyane >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Kathy Hines via wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> William O’Brien is a very common name around the U.S. Just out >> of >> >> curiosity I checked the MN Death Index and found 81 of them. We even >> have >> >> a Wm O’Brien state park in Washington county. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> I would hazard a guess that there is more than one lawyer by the >> >> name of Wm O’Brien. Most likely the one from Scotland and the one from >> >> Maryland are probably not the same guy. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> You mentioned that the Wm O’Brien that you seek was a >> son-in-law. >> >> Is that right? Then can you tell us more about the woman he married >> and >> >> her family? Is there an obit for a family member that names him? >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Kathy >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 11:54 AM, Lars E. Oyane via < >> >> norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Dear Greg, Mark and other Listers! >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much to both of you for sending me the article >> on >> >> Judge O'Brien, Greg offline and Mark with a transcript! I have read it >> >> with great interest. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> However, I was disappointed it didn't include any information >> at >> >> all about William's background or surviving relatives. So then there >> is a >> >> question; can possibly other articles be found about this Idaho >> Judge? The >> >> 1900, 1910 and 1920 census records all claim he was a native of >> Maryland >> >> with parents born in VA and NY respectively, while one obituary says >> he was >> >> born in Scotland and attended the University of Edinburgh! >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> So - indeed conflicting information!!? What is correct? >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Very sincerely yours, >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Lars E. Oyane >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Feb 20, 2015, at 8:06 PM, Mark Erickson via wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Friday, February 6, 1925 >> >>>>>>>>>>> Afton Star Valley Independent >> >>>>>>>>>>> JUDGE O’BRIEN PASSES BEYOND A great many people in Star Valley >> >> will ? grieved to learn of the death last week of Judge W. H O’Brien. >> Judge >> >> O’Brien came into the valley two or three years ago in connection with >> the >> >> Oil Company and while here made many sincere friends owing to his >> honest >> >> and sincere desire to help those who were less fortunate than himself. >> >> Judge O'Brien has been ill for several years but seemed to improve >> when in >> >> the valley, owing to high altitude and plenty of fresh air. He spent a >> few >> >> months in the valley last fall, and it seemed to be the ambition of his >> >> life to make our oil company’s successful. The Judge held the love and >> >> respect of all whom he came in contact with, and we are indeed sorry to >> >> hear of his passing. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I’ll see if I can find anything else. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Genealogy from Nes and Flå parish in Hallingdal. FLÅ no. III is OUT!!! Nes farm and family books volume III & IV - is delayed as of dispute! Phone: +47 32068733 Cell : +47 9069 3540 Steinar Vissebråten, N-3540 Nesbyen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message