Place like Yale were reported in the Victoria Colonist. I did a check at the University of British Columbia index - includes transcribed papers only, but no Charles J. Shaw. If you want to check for yourself try search for Victoria Colonist Indexes, then to UBC site. Earl On 26/05/2015 7:12 PM, Doris Waggoner via wrote: > Lars, > > Not to be too discouraging, but in the 1880s, all those places--Helena MT, > Wallace ID, and Yale and Hope BC, were very much frontier towns. Helena > and Wallace were mining towns until the mid 20th c. and may have had > newspapers but it's doubtful they kept vital records. I had a friend who > lived in Hope BC in the early 20th c. and even then it was a wide spot in > the road so probably didn't even have a newspaper. Even in 2000, Helena > had a population of 26,000; Wallace, 960; Hope, 6,200; and Yale,171. > These numbers are from my Rand McNally Road Atlas, from the 2000 census. > > Helena's clearly your best bet by far for finding a newspaper record of > their marriage. If he was a bartender--an important occupation in a mining > town--their marriage might show up in the newspaper. We all long sometimes > for the 1890 census, and this is one of those times. > > Do you have any idea of the birth years of Margaret and Donald Shaw, and > where they were born? That might help find them prior to 1918. > > Good luck! > Doris > > On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 4:47 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: > >> Dear Listers! >> >> This is a problem that has bothered me for at least 25 years. Maybe now >> has the time come to find the answer? >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> *Charles J(ames?) SHAW* >> son of Daniel SHAW and Catherine TOOLE >> born about 1855 in Ottawa. ON >> probably lived 1881 in Yale & Hope, BC (railroad fireman) >> >> married Mar. 6, 1888 at Helena, MT >> >> *Karen Kirstine aka Christine (Einersdotter) OVERBOE* >> daughter of Einar OVERBOE and Margaret HILLESTAD >> born June 2, 1865 in Hafslo parish, Luster Co., Norway >> emigrated in 1876 >> >> marriage witnesses: George N. Southworth and Ena Stanley >> >> Charles SHAW was 1888 a bartender at *Helena, MT*, supposedly moved a few >> years later to *Wallace, ID *- then disappeared! >> >> Karen Kirstine's parents died in Vernon Co., WI in 1919 (Margaret) and >> 1923 (Einer), and at the time of Einer Overboe's death we learn that Karen >> Kirstine had died - apparently prior to 1918(?) - leaving two children: >> >> 1. *Margaret SHAW* >> >> 2. *Donald SHAW* >> >> These children were searched for by the Vernon Co., WI probate court, but >> they were never found! >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> Is it possible today, 90 years later, to figure out what happened to Karen >> Kirstine "Christine", Charles and their children? >> >> Could there be newspaper notices telling about them? >> >> Any suggestions would be more than welcome, and I would be for ever >> indebted to anyone who reveals their destiny! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> >> >> >> > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Doris, Greg, Earl and other Listers! Thank you very much to all of you for your encouraging messages in regard to my SHAW problem! This family has been one of the most frustrating ones I have ever been researching, but I have managed to trace families before which probate courts, whether it be in Norway (one case from the 1910's - later also tried by the Salvation Army!) or in Yankton Co., SD (one case from the 1920's which I solved in part), never did, so I haven't given up quite yet. My philosophy is fairly simple: These people just have to be out there somewhere - we only have to look at "the right place"! I have now written to the Shoshone Co., ID GenWeb Site, i.e. I addressed my inquiry to the main site as well as to the two volunteers listed. My messages to the volunteers immediately bounced back to me as "undeliverable", but hopefully someone at the main site will receive it - and attend to it! I am unable to provide further details about these family members, but we must presume that Karen Kirstine "Christine" died prior to 1900 (since she is nowhere to be found), and I guess the children, born between 1889 and 1892(?), MAY have been raised at some orphanage, or they may have moved with their father back to Canada? I just don't know. Your guesses are just as good as mine! I did at one time "play" with the thought Margaret Shaw had been married in Idaho and found the following "possibilities": * Maggie SHAW - married Jan. 18, 1914 in Adams Co., ID to Amos SHAW * Margrette L. SHAW - married Dec. 3, 1927 in Valley Co., ID to Clifford Marion DOTSON The latter may be somewhat too young, but how about the former? This must be her in the 1930 census for Oroville township, Butte Co., CA: BRAY, Joseph T 37 OR IN OR fruit farm foreman BRAY, Margaret C 35 ID IA IA wife SHAW, Elitha G 15 ID IA ID stepdaughter SHAW, Amos O 9 ID ID ID stepson And here she is in the 1920 census from Tamarack township, Adams Co., ID: SHAW, A. G. 25 IA US US sawmill laborer SHAW, Margaret 26 ID US US wife SHAW, Aletha 4 11/12 ID IA ID daughter SHAW, Stella 3 1/12 ID IA ID daughter Here is her birth record, which reveals she's NOT he one we want: Name: Margarete Catherine Shaw Birth Date: 20 Sep 1893 Birth Place: Parma, Canyon, Idaho, USA Father Name: Ben Shaw Father Age: 27 Father Birth Place: Iowa Mother Name: Catherine Rebecca Bacus Mother Age: 21 Mother Birth Place: Missouri So, back to square #one again... Thanks again to all of you for your interest and great assistance in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On May 27, 2015, at 12:37 AM, Earl Sande via wrote: > Place like Yale were reported in the Victoria Colonist. I did a check > at the University of British Columbia index - includes transcribed > papers only, but no Charles J. Shaw. > > If you want to check for yourself try search for Victoria Colonist > Indexes, then to UBC site. > > Earl > On May 26, 2015, at 10:27 PM, Gregory Holter via wrote: > Lars, > > Wallace, Idaho, is the Shoshone County seat, so the county may have some relevant records. (I will be passing through Wallace a couple times in June, going back to North Dakota and returning later, but I don't believe I will be there at the right time of day or the right day of the week to be able to do anything at the county courthouse.) > > Also, USGenWeb lists some lookup volunteers for Shoshone County resources, although the website looks like it may be totally out of date. And the Shoshone County Genealogical and Historical Society is located in Kellogg, Idaho and may be other resources. > > Wallace had a miner's strike in 1892 in which a number of lives were lost. They also had a huge fire in 1910. These events may well hinder the ability to track these people there. > > And just for fun, for those who may not be aware, Wallace is the self-proclaimed center of the universe. The location marker is in the middle of a street intersection in downtown Wallace. You can check that out on Wikipedia. > > Greg Holter > On 26/05/2015 7:12 PM, Doris Waggoner via wrote: >> Lars, >> >> Not to be too discouraging, but in the 1880s, all those places--Helena MT, >> Wallace ID, and Yale and Hope BC, were very much frontier towns. Helena >> and Wallace were mining towns until the mid 20th c. and may have had >> newspapers but it's doubtful they kept vital records. I had a friend who >> lived in Hope BC in the early 20th c. and even then it was a wide spot in >> the road so probably didn't even have a newspaper. Even in 2000, Helena >> had a population of 26,000; Wallace, 960; Hope, 6,200; and Yale,171. >> These numbers are from my Rand McNally Road Atlas, from the 2000 census. >> >> Helena's clearly your best bet by far for finding a newspaper record of >> their marriage. If he was a bartender--an important occupation in a mining >> town--their marriage might show up in the newspaper. We all long sometimes >> for the 1890 census, and this is one of those times. >> >> Do you have any idea of the birth years of Margaret and Donald Shaw, and >> where they were born? That might help find them prior to 1918. >> >> Good luck! >> Doris >> >> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 4:47 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: >> >>> Dear Listers! >>> >>> This is a problem that has bothered me for at least 25 years. Maybe now >>> has the time come to find the answer? >>> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>> *Charles J(ames?) SHAW* >>> son of Daniel SHAW and Catherine TOOLE >>> born about 1855 in Ottawa. ON >>> probably lived 1881 in Yale & Hope, BC (railroad fireman) >>> >>> married Mar. 6, 1888 at Helena, MT >>> >>> *Karen Kirstine aka Christine (Einersdotter) OVERBOE* >>> daughter of Einar OVERBOE and Margaret HILLESTAD >>> born June 2, 1865 in Hafslo parish, Luster Co., Norway >>> emigrated in 1876 >>> >>> marriage witnesses: George N. Southworth and Ena Stanley >>> >>> Charles SHAW was 1888 a bartender at *Helena, MT*, supposedly moved a few >>> years later to *Wallace, ID *- then disappeared! >>> >>> Karen Kirstine's parents died in Vernon Co., WI in 1919 (Margaret) and >>> 1923 (Einer), and at the time of Einer Overboe's death we learn that Karen >>> Kirstine had died - apparently prior to 1918(?) - leaving two children: >>> >>> 1. *Margaret SHAW* >>> >>> 2. *Donald SHAW* >>> >>> These children were searched for by the Vernon Co., WI probate court, but >>> they were never found! >>> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>> Is it possible today, 90 years later, to figure out what happened to Karen >>> Kirstine "Christine", Charles and their children? >>> >>> Could there be newspaper notices telling about them? >>> >>> Any suggestions would be more than welcome, and I would be for ever >>> indebted to anyone who reveals their destiny! >>> >>> Very sincerely yours, >>> >>> Lars E. Oyane