Lars, Wallace, Idaho, is the Shoshone County seat, so the county may have some relevant records.  (I will be passing through Wallace a couple times in June, going back to North Dakota and returning later, but I don't believe I will be there at the right time of day or the right day of the week to be able to do anything at the county courthouse.) Also, USGenWeb lists some lookup volunteers for Shoshone County resources, although the website looks like it may be totally out of date.  And the Shoshone County Genealogical and Historical Society is located in Kellogg, Idaho and may be other resources. Wallace had a miner's strike in 1892 in which a number of lives were lost.  They also had a huge fire in 1910.  These events may well hinder the ability to track these people there. And just for fun, for those who may not be aware, Wallace is the self-proclaimed center of the universe.  The location marker is in the middle of a street intersection in downtown Wallace.  You can check that out on Wikipedia. Greg Holter From: Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> To: norway@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 4:47 PM Subject: [NOR] Final attempt: Charles Shaw (1855) and Karen Kirstine Overboe (1865) - MT-ID-Canada? - newspaper items? Dear Listers! This is a problem that has bothered me for at least 25 years.  Maybe now has the time come to find the answer? ~~~~~~~~~~ Charles J(ames?) SHAW son of Daniel SHAW and Catherine TOOLE born about 1855 in Ottawa. ON probably lived 1881 in Yale & Hope, BC (railroad fireman) married Mar. 6, 1888 at Helena, MT Karen Kirstine aka Christine (Einersdotter) OVERBOE daughter of Einar OVERBOE and Margaret HILLESTAD born June 2, 1865 in Hafslo parish, Luster Co., Norway emigrated in 1876 marriage witnesses: George N. Southworth and Ena Stanley Charles SHAW was 1888 a bartender at Helena, MT, supposedly moved a few years later to Wallace, ID - then disappeared! Karen Kirstine's parents died in Vernon Co., WI in 1919 (Margaret) and 1923 (Einer), and at the time of Einer Overboe's death we learn that Karen Kirstine had died - apparently prior to 1918(?) - leaving two children: 1. Margaret SHAW 2. Donald SHAW These children were searched for by the Vernon Co., WI probate court, but they were never found! ~~~~~~~~~~ Is it possible today, 90 years later, to figure out what happened to Karen Kirstine "Christine", Charles and their children? Could there be newspaper notices telling about them? Any suggestions would be more than welcome, and I would be for ever indebted to anyone who reveals their destiny! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane

In Idaho there is no waiting period between being issued a marriage license and getting married. It's likely still true that divorces are still easy to obtain, too (altho that comes with a residency requirement whereas there is no residency requirement for marriage licenses and marriages). http://www.idaho.gov/family_records/marriage.html FYI, to add another dimension to the location, Wallace used to have many "houses of ill-repute." Many, many decades ago when politicians wanted to be elected they'd run on a platform of shutting down the houses of prostitution..., but that never lasted longer than the campaigns. The largest silver mines were between Kellogg & Wallace - on May 2, 1972, the Sunshine Mine collapsed near Kellogg, 91 were killed, and it now has a memorial at the entrance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunshine_Mine Beste hilsen, Bev ----- Original Message ----- From: Gregory Holter via <norway@rootsweb.com> To: Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no>; "norway@rootsweb.com" <norway@rootsweb.com> Cc: Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [NOR] Final attempt: Charles Shaw (1855) and Karen Kirstine Overboe (1865) - MT-ID-Canada? - newspaper items? Lars, Wallace, Idaho, is the Shoshone County seat, so the county may have some relevant records. (I will be passing through Wallace a couple times in June, going back to North Dakota and returning later, but I don't believe I will be there at the right time of day or the right day of the week to be able to do anything at the county courthouse.) Also, USGenWeb lists some lookup volunteers for Shoshone County resources, although the website looks like it may be totally out of date. And the Shoshone County Genealogical and Historical Society is located in Kellogg, Idaho and may be other resources. Wallace had a miner's strike in 1892 in which a number of lives were lost. They also had a huge fire in 1910. These events may well hinder the ability to track these people there. And just for fun, for those who may not be aware, Wallace is the self-proclaimed center of the universe. The location marker is in the middle of a street intersection in downtown Wallace. You can check that out on Wikipedia. Greg Holter From: Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> To: norway@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 4:47 PM Subject: [NOR] Final attempt: Charles Shaw (1855) and Karen Kirstine Overboe (1865) - MT-ID-Canada? - newspaper items? Dear Listers! This is a problem that has bothered me for at least 25 years. Maybe now has the time come to find the answer? ~~~~~~~~~~ Charles J(ames?) SHAW son of Daniel SHAW and Catherine TOOLE born about 1855 in Ottawa. ON probably lived 1881 in Yale & Hope, BC (railroad fireman) married Mar. 6, 1888 at Helena, MT Karen Kirstine aka Christine (Einersdotter) OVERBOE daughter of Einar OVERBOE and Margaret HILLESTAD born June 2, 1865 in Hafslo parish, Luster Co., Norway emigrated in 1876 marriage witnesses: George N. Southworth and Ena Stanley Charles SHAW was 1888 a bartender at Helena, MT, supposedly moved a few years later to Wallace, ID - then disappeared! Karen Kirstine's parents died in Vernon Co., WI in 1919 (Margaret) and 1923 (Einer), and at the time of Einer Overboe's death we learn that Karen Kirstine had died - apparently prior to 1918(?) - leaving two children: 1. Margaret SHAW 2. Donald SHAW These children were searched for by the Vernon Co., WI probate court, but they were never found! ~~~~~~~~~~ Is it possible today, 90 years later, to figure out what happened to Karen Kirstine "Christine", Charles and their children? Could there be newspaper notices telling about them? Any suggestions would be more than welcome, and I would be for ever indebted to anyone who reveals their destiny! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane

I just noticed that you said Charles Shaw might have ben a railroad fireman. These articles sound like a good match. Idaho Statesman; 21 Nov. 1900; page 5 FATAL WRECKS OCCUR IN COLORADO Denver, Colo., Nov. 20 - Two fatal wrecks occurred on the Denver & Rio Grande railway this morning. Freight train No. 70, eastbound, on the narrow gauge, became unmanageable on a steep grade and near Gray’s station the engine jumped the track and 12 cars piled on top of it. Brakeman Charles Shaw was instantly killed. Fireman Albert Brasswell is still under the wreckage and supposed to be dead. San Francisco used FIVE headlines on the front page for their story. San Francisco Call; Nov 21, 1900; page 1 CARS DASH DOWN THE MOUNTAIN Thrilling Disasters in Which Three Men Meet Death. From the Summit of Marshall Pass Runaway Train Descends. A FEARFUL VELOCITY ATTAINED Engineer, Fireman and Other Hands Remain at Their Posts Until the Accident Occurs. Denver, Colo., Nov. 20 - Three men were killed, three probably fatally injured and one other more or less injured in two wrecks on the Denver and Rio Grande Railroad between 1 o’clock and 1:30 this morning. The dead: CHARLES SHAW, Salida, brakeman …It goes on. Long article.

Dear Earl, Mark, Bev and other Listers! Thank you very much for your interesting messages in regard to the Shaw family, some of which came off-list. I am so touched and impressed to see how you all try to help me, and I have studied the various "candidates" as well as I can. * The pallbearer Charles Shaw from Helena, MT 1939 would, in my opinion, be a little old to be a pallbearer, don't you think? He was about 84 at the time... * Mrs. Margaret Shaw, who died at Anaconda, MT in 1918, whom you Mark told me about, was 34 years old, so I guess she is too old to be "our" Margaret..., and she was obviously married to someone named Shaw... * Charles Shaw, the brakeman who was killed in the train accident in the fall of 1900, came from Salida, CO, and the 1900 census shows him in Salida, CO as an unmarried boy of 20 years of age still residing at home with his parents, so he cannot be the one either... * Sam O. Shaw of Butte, MT who died in 1930 and was survived by brother Charles Shaw in Canada, was apparently from a different family. Here is Sam's marriage record: Name: Samuel O Shaw Event Type: Marriage Event Date: 22 Jan 1909 Event Place: Missoula, , Montana Age: 44 Birth Year (Estimated): 1865 Father's Name: Samuel H Shaw Mother's Name: Emma C Gallup Spouse's Name: Sadie F Ayers Spouse's Age: 32 Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated): 1877 Spouse's Father's Name: Ailin Ayers Spouse's Mother's Name: Almira Miner So I guess we are still at "point 0".... This family is sure hiding well! Could it be that Charles did return to Canada after all? Thanks again for all of your wonderful assistance in his matter! I keep crossing my fingers and hope... Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On May 27, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Mark Erickson via wrote: > I just noticed that you said Charles Shaw might have ben a railroad fireman. These articles sound like a good match. > > Idaho Statesman; 21 Nov. 1900; page 5 > FATAL WRECKS OCCUR IN COLORADO > Denver, Colo., Nov. 20 - Two fatal wrecks occurred on the Denver & Rio Grande railway this morning. Freight train No. 70, eastbound, on the narrow gauge, became unmanageable on a steep grade and near Gray’s station the engine jumped the track and 12 cars piled on top of it. Brakeman Charles Shaw was instantly killed. Fireman Albert Brasswell is still under the wreckage and supposed to be dead. > > San Francisco used FIVE headlines on the front page for their story. > San Francisco Call; Nov 21, 1900; page 1 > CARS DASH DOWN THE MOUNTAIN > Thrilling Disasters in Which Three Men Meet Death. > From the Summit of Marshall Pass Runaway Train Descends. > A FEARFUL VELOCITY ATTAINED > Engineer, Fireman and Other Hands Remain at Their Posts Until the Accident Occurs. > Denver, Colo., Nov. 20 - Three men were killed, three probably fatally injured and one other more or less injured in two wrecks on the Denver and Rio Grande Railroad between 1 o’clock and 1:30 this morning. The dead: > CHARLES SHAW, Salida, brakeman > …It goes on. Long article. On May 27, 2015, at 2:01 AM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: > Dear Doris, Greg, Earl and other Listers! > > Thank you very much to all of you for your encouraging messages in regard to my SHAW problem! This family has been one of the most frustrating ones I have ever been researching, but I have managed to trace families before which probate courts, whether it be in Norway (one case from the 1910's - later also tried by the Salvation Army!) or in Yankton Co., SD (one case from the 1920's which I solved in part), never did, so I haven't given up quite yet. My philosophy is fairly simple: These people just have to be out there somewhere - we only have to look at "the right place"! > > I have now written to the Shoshone Co., ID GenWeb Site, i.e. I addressed my inquiry to the main site as well as to the two volunteers listed. My messages to the volunteers immediately bounced back to me as "undeliverable", but hopefully someone at the main site will receive it - and attend to it! > > I am unable to provide further details about these family members, but we must presume that Karen Kirstine "Christine" died prior to 1900 (since she is nowhere to be found), and I guess the children, born between 1889 and 1892(?), MAY have been raised at some orphanage, or they may have moved with their father back to Canada? I just don't know. Your guesses are just as good as mine! > > I did at one time "play" with the thought Margaret Shaw had been married in Idaho and found the following "possibilities": > > * Maggie SHAW - married Jan. 18, 1914 in Adams Co., ID to Amos SHAW > > * Margrette L. SHAW - married Dec. 3, 1927 in Valley Co., ID to Clifford Marion DOTSON > > The latter may be somewhat too young, but how about the former? This must be her in the 1930 census for Oroville township, Butte Co., CA: > > BRAY, Joseph T 37 OR IN OR fruit farm foreman > BRAY, Margaret C 35 ID IA IA wife > SHAW, Elitha G 15 ID IA ID stepdaughter > SHAW, Amos O 9 ID ID ID stepson > > And here she is in the 1920 census from Tamarack township, Adams Co., ID: > > SHAW, A. G. 25 IA US US sawmill laborer > SHAW, Margaret 26 ID US US wife > SHAW, Aletha 4 11/12 ID IA ID daughter > SHAW, Stella 3 1/12 ID IA ID daughter > > Here is her birth record, which reveals she's NOT he one we want: > > Name: Margarete Catherine Shaw > Birth Date: 20 Sep 1893 > Birth Place: Parma, Canyon, Idaho, USA > Father Name: Ben Shaw > Father Age: 27 > Father Birth Place: Iowa > Mother Name: Catherine Rebecca Bacus > Mother Age: 21 > Mother Birth Place: Missouri > > So, back to square #one again... > > Thanks again to all of you for your interest and great assistance in this matter! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On May 27, 2015, at 12:37 AM, Earl Sande via wrote: > >> Place like Yale were reported in the Victoria Colonist. I did a check >> at the University of British Columbia index - includes transcribed >> papers only, but no Charles J. Shaw. >> >> If you want to check for yourself try search for Victoria Colonist >> Indexes, then to UBC site. >> >> Earl >> > > On May 26, 2015, at 10:27 PM, Gregory Holter via wrote: > >> Lars, >> >> Wallace, Idaho, is the Shoshone County seat, so the county may have some relevant records. (I will be passing through Wallace a couple times in June, going back to North Dakota and returning later, but I don't believe I will be there at the right time of day or the right day of the week to be able to do anything at the county courthouse.) >> >> Also, USGenWeb lists some lookup volunteers for Shoshone County resources, although the website looks like it may be totally out of date. And the Shoshone County Genealogical and Historical Society is located in Kellogg, Idaho and may be other resources. >> >> Wallace had a miner's strike in 1892 in which a number of lives were lost. They also had a huge fire in 1910. These events may well hinder the ability to track these people there. >> >> And just for fun, for those who may not be aware, Wallace is the self-proclaimed center of the universe. The location marker is in the middle of a street intersection in downtown Wallace. You can check that out on Wikipedia. >> >> Greg Holter > > > >> On 26/05/2015 7:12 PM, Doris Waggoner via wrote: >>> Lars, >>> >>> Not to be too discouraging, but in the 1880s, all those places--Helena MT, >>> Wallace ID, and Yale and Hope BC, were very much frontier towns. Helena >>> and Wallace were mining towns until the mid 20th c. and may have had >>> newspapers but it's doubtful they kept vital records. I had a friend who >>> lived in Hope BC in the early 20th c. and even then it was a wide spot in >>> the road so probably didn't even have a newspaper. Even in 2000, Helena >>> had a population of 26,000; Wallace, 960; Hope, 6,200; and Yale,171. >>> These numbers are from my Rand McNally Road Atlas, from the 2000 census. >>> >>> Helena's clearly your best bet by far for finding a newspaper record of >>> their marriage. If he was a bartender--an important occupation in a mining >>> town--their marriage might show up in the newspaper. We all long sometimes >>> for the 1890 census, and this is one of those times. >>> >>> Do you have any idea of the birth years of Margaret and Donald Shaw, and >>> where they were born? That might help find them prior to 1918. >>> >>> Good luck! >>> Doris >>> >>> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 4:47 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Listers! >>>> >>>> This is a problem that has bothered me for at least 25 years. Maybe now >>>> has the time come to find the answer? >>>> >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~ >>>> >>>> *Charles J(ames?) SHAW* >>>> son of Daniel SHAW and Catherine TOOLE >>>> born about 1855 in Ottawa. ON >>>> probably lived 1881 in Yale & Hope, BC (railroad fireman) >>>> >>>> married Mar. 6, 1888 at Helena, MT >>>> >>>> *Karen Kirstine aka Christine (Einersdotter) OVERBOE* >>>> daughter of Einar OVERBOE and Margaret HILLESTAD >>>> born June 2, 1865 in Hafslo parish, Luster Co., Norway >>>> emigrated in 1876 >>>> >>>> marriage witnesses: George N. Southworth and Ena Stanley >>>> >>>> Charles SHAW was 1888 a bartender at *Helena, MT*, supposedly moved a few >>>> years later to *Wallace, ID *- then disappeared! >>>> >>>> Karen Kirstine's parents died in Vernon Co., WI in 1919 (Margaret) and >>>> 1923 (Einer), and at the time of Einer Overboe's death we learn that Karen >>>> Kirstine had died - apparently prior to 1918(?) - leaving two children: >>>> >>>> 1. *Margaret SHAW* >>>> >>>> 2. *Donald SHAW* >>>> >>>> These children were searched for by the Vernon Co., WI probate court, but >>>> they were never found! >>>> >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~ >>>> >>>> Is it possible today, 90 years later, to figure out what happened to Karen >>>> Kirstine "Christine", Charles and their children? >>>> >>>> Could there be newspaper notices telling about them? >>>> >>>> Any suggestions would be more than welcome, and I would be for ever >>>> indebted to anyone who reveals their destiny! >>>> >>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>> >>>> Lars E. Oyane