Dear Leslie and other Listers! Thank you very much, Leslie, for your messages regarding Andrew Groves and your suggestions towards researching in Malheur Co., OR. I am sure there will be more records to find about him out there, in particular when it comes to land transactions. These won't help me find out more about his family, but I consider calling the Malheur library asking them for more assistance in this matter. Some of those old land records might give at least a more accurate image of Andrew Groves' "settlement history"! By the way, the library in Baker City, OR was very helpful to me what I contacted them some time ago! In the meantime I have again been in contact with the Montrose Regional Library at Montrose, CO, but they were unable to find very much. Here follows their answer to me: ~~~~~ I have been unable to locate an obituary for Clara Ryan. In the 1930's our local newspaper did not have an established obituary section, but rather published the deaths of primarily prominent citizens as general news articles. One fact that I was able to ascertain was that Clara died in 1934 instead of 1933. I wrote down 1933 when I was taking notes as we spoke so perhaps I wrote down the wrong date? I found that information on usgarchives.net and confirmed it in our local cemetery records. She is buried in Cedar Cemetary Section K, Block 37, Lot 11, SE 1/4. I have included a link that has an image of the cemetary. Cedar Cemetery records were compiled from the Valley Funeral Home which has recently gone out of business. I wish you luck in your continued search and am so sorry that I was unable to locate the needed information. ~~~~~ I can sure need that "luck" in my continued efforts to find the information I want about Clara Ryan as well as about her 1st husband Charles, but is there any other way to go? I was so much hoping for online newspaper databases to help me out... Thanks again to all of you for any additional assistance in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Mar 16, 2015, at 6:47 PM, Leslie Quist via wrote: > There was a lot of discrimination toward the indians back then. I wouldn't > be surprised if he was as guilty as he could be and got off because the > horses belonged to the indians. About my previous email, Harney County > would be the next county south of Malheur. > Leslie Quist > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Erickson via" <norway@rootsweb.com> > To: <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no>; <norway@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 7:25 AM > Subject: Re: [NOR] Civil War vet. & Gold miner Andrew Groves of Baker Co.,OR > (1847-1935) - a colorful person! - who was his wife? > > >> The daily morning Astorian. (Astoria, Or.) 1883-1899, October 30, 1895, >> Image 1 >> >> Andrew A. Groves was tried and acquitted at Pendleton on Friday on a >> charge of killing >> Indian cayuses and feeding them to his hogs. Much has been written about >> this case, >> but the evidence did not convince the jury as to Groves’ guilt. Judge >> Lovell presided. >> >> Cayuse is an archaic term used in the American West, usually referring to >> a feral >> or low-quality horse or pony. >> >> Here’s a link to the article. >> http://tinyurl.com/krhvvny >> >> Here’s another article with him buying and selling land. >> Malheur enterprise. (Vale, Or.) 1909-current, February 01, 1913, Image 3 >> http://tinyurl.com/lvbrpdm >> >> Mining claims are held by the Bureau of Land Management. He bought 158.50 >> acres >> on the 13th of October 1891 in Malheur County, Oregon. >> Here’s a link to the Land Patent.. >> http://tinyurl.com/mvtrrqk >> >> On the 8th of June 1926 he sold his lots in sections 3 and 4 to SPURLOCK, >> ALVIN C. >> Here’s a 1935 plat map that shows where the land is located. At the top of >> the page you can see that Alvin Spurlock still owns the land. >> http://tinyurl.com/lwkd4p3