Dear Doris and other Listers! Thank you very much, Doris, for your "reminding" message, which I appreciate very much. Then, please let me apologize for not including the "original" information I have on this couple and which had been "cut off" from my latest message from yesterday: ~~~~~ Nels N. KINS born Aug. 17, 1880 in Buffalo Co., WI died Jan. 26, 1970 at Miami, Ottawa Co., OK Nels and his younger brother Albert (1882-1965) left the home farm in Buffalo Co., WI shortly after 1900 to work as cowboys for a wealthy rancher in Idaho [SHOULD BE ADAMS Co., WA] named Samuel Dyer. Albert later moved on to California, but Nels fell in love with Samuel Dyer's daughter: Alma V. DYER born Oct. 17, 1866 in Idaho Co., ID died May 5, 1949 at Hood River, OR They were (of course) NOT given the permission to marry, so they "ran off", presumably to Oregon where they must have married (secretly?) about 1908. The 1910 census shows Nels Kins as a married farmer residing alone in a hotel in Portland, OR. The 1917 city directory for The Dalles, Wasco Co., OR shows Nels as a rancher The 1918 WW1 draft record shows Nels Kins as a model laundry engineer(!) residing at The Dalles, Wasco Co., OR The 1920 city directory for The Dalles, Wasco Co., OR shows Nels as a machinist I don't find them in the 1920 census. The 1925 city directory for The Dalles, Wasco Co., OR shows Nels as a plumber The 1930 census shows Nels and Alma as "truck farmers" residing at Columbia River Highway, Hood River Co., OR The 1936 city directory for The Dalles, Wasco Co., OR shows Nels as a laborer The 1940 census shows N. N.Kens and Alma as farmers at Odell, Hood River Co., OR The 1942 WW2 draft record shows Nels Kins as a high way worker in Good River Co., OR ~~~~~ The marriage year of about 1908 is taken from the 1930 census, but may of course be inaccurate. But we know for sure it must have been between 1900 and 1910, and I PRESUME it may have been in Oregon! However, after having spent quite some time this morning looking into that Dyer family, I have found some new interesting "leads" that may help finding more: * Alma's death certificate shows she was born in Idaho Co., ID Oct. 17, 1866 as the daughter of Thomas Dyer and Sarah Harper. The informant was Melissa Snyder whom I remember as residing with Nels and Alma in 1940, but who appears to have copme from NY and probably no relative of Alma's. And the information appears to be "somewhat inaccurate": * Alma appears to the daughter of Samuel True DYER, born at Montville, Waldo Co., ME Apr. 12, 1826 who married in ME Dec. 1, 1860 to one Laura A. Philbrook. Samuel turns out to be part of an old (prominent?) (Quaker?) family from New England that can be traced back to the 1600's, at least! * The 1870 census shows Samuel and Laura Dyer as farming in Lewiston, Nez Perce Co., ID. Alma is with them. * The 1880 census shows Samuel and Laura Dyer as farming in District #3, Columbia Co., WA. Alma is with them. * The 1883 WA census shows Samuel and Laura Dyer as storekeepers in Garfield Co., WA. Alma is with them. * The 1887 WA census shows Samuel and Laura Dyer as ranchers in Adams Co., WA. Alma is with them. * The 1900 census shows Samuel and Laura Dyer as farming in Cow Creek precinct, Adams Co., WA. Alma is gone, but they had an adopted son Joseph C. Dyer, born in OR Jan. of 1887. * Then I find that Samuel Truman Dyer, widowed rancher, died near Harper, Adams Co., WA on June 18, 1907 * Then I have found the following entry in the 1900 census for Bethel precinct, Whitman Co., WA: SHIRRELL, William G. Apr. 1868 OR IL IL farmer married 1 year SHIRRELL, Alma V. Oct. 1867 ID ME ME wife no children PARKER, Wilbur L. Dec. 1896 OR unk OR nephew and their marriage: Name: William G. Shirrell Gender: Male Marriage Date: 29 Jun 1899 Marriage Place: Idaho Residence Place: Colfax Spouse: Alma Harper Spouse Gender: Female Now, here this HARPER name reappears (given as Alma's mother's maiden name in her death certificate from 1951!)! Confusing, indeed! Could she have been married once prior to her marriage to William Shirrell?? Then I find William G. Shirrell in 1910, still in Whitman Co., WA, then widowed with nephew Wilbur. By 1920 William was in Klamath Co., OR, then DIVORCED. In 1935 he was at Yreka, Siskiyou Co., CA, and he died in Santa Cruz Co., CA Aug. 12, 1941. He appears to be born at Albany, Linn Co., OR From these findings I conclude that the ranch where Nels and Albert Kins went to work shortly after 1900, must have been at Cow Creek, Adams Co., WA and NOT in Idaho! In fact they MAY well have moved west accompanying their uncle Hans URNESS (1848-1926) who in 1901 homesteaded in Benge precinct, Whitman Co., WA! But there must be more to it than that! This all sounds "kind of spicy" to me! Alma must have DIVORCED to marry Nels Kins!! But they MAY still have married in WA!? OBVIOUSLY, of great interest would be ANY newspaper articles relating to Samuel Dyer, not to mention his OBITUARY from 1907!? Thanks again to all of you for your great assistance trying to solve this challenge for me. I will keep my fingers and toes well crossed for success! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Mar 14, 2015, at 10:46 PM, Doris Waggoner via wrote: > Lars, > > Remind us, please, what state or states you think this couple were married > in, and the potential range of dates. If it was WA or OR, there are places > I might be able to check. > > Doris > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 6:42 PM, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > >> Dear Listers! >> >> I would also like to relaunch this problem of mine. I am just hoping that >> newspaper articles can be found in regard to this couple, Nels and Alma >> (Dyer) Kins, who had to "escape" from her relatives to marry! >> >> Thanks again so much for your great assistance in this matter! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dear Listers! This morning I would very much like to resend a few past inquiries about individuals that may have been forgotten, and which I am VERY interested in trying to fill in missing details about before going to press. This is one of them, and I wish to thank you all very very much for every little bit and piece of information that can be found, perhaps basically thru newspaper notices(?). Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Begin forwarded message: > From: "Lars E. Oyane via" <norway@rootsweb.com> > Date: March 15, 2015 6:36:44 AM EST > To: norway@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NOR] Cowboy Nels Kins and wife Alma - Idaho - Oregon - Oklahoma -a real challenge > Reply-To: "Lars E. Oyane" <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no>, norway@rootsweb.com > > Dear Doris and other Listers! > > Thank you very much, Doris, for your "reminding" message, which I appreciate very much. Then, please let me apologize for not including the "original" information I have on this couple and which had been "cut off" from my latest message from yesterday: > > ~~~~~ > > Nels N. KINS > born Aug. 17, 1880 in Buffalo Co., WI > died Jan. 26, 1970 at Miami, Ottawa Co., OK > > Nels and his younger brother Albert (1882-1965) left the home farm in Buffalo Co., WI shortly after 1900 to work as cowboys for a wealthy rancher in Idaho [SHOULD BE ADAMS Co., WA] named Samuel Dyer. Albert later moved on to California, but Nels fell in love with Samuel Dyer's daughter: > > Alma V. DYER > born Oct. 17, 1866 in Idaho Co., ID > died May 5, 1949 at Hood River, OR > > They were (of course) NOT given the permission to marry, so they "ran off", presumably to Oregon where they must have married (secretly?) about 1908. > > The 1910 census shows Nels Kins as a married farmer residing alone in a hotel in Portland, OR. > > The 1917 city directory for The Dalles, Wasco Co., OR shows Nels as a rancher > > The 1918 WW1 draft record shows Nels Kins as a model laundry engineer(!) residing at The Dalles, Wasco Co., OR > > The 1920 city directory for The Dalles, Wasco Co., OR shows Nels as a machinist > > I don't find them in the 1920 census. > > The 1925 city directory for The Dalles, Wasco Co., OR shows Nels as a plumber > > The 1930 census shows Nels and Alma as "truck farmers" residing at Columbia River Highway, Hood River Co., OR > > The 1936 city directory for The Dalles, Wasco Co., OR shows Nels as a laborer > > The 1940 census shows N. N.Kens and Alma as farmers at Odell, Hood River Co., OR > > The 1942 WW2 draft record shows Nels Kins as a high way worker in Good River Co., OR > > ~~~~~ > > The marriage year of about 1908 is taken from the 1930 census, but may of course be inaccurate. But we know for sure it must have been between 1900 and 1910, and I PRESUME it may have been in Oregon! > > However, after having spent quite some time this morning looking into that Dyer family, I have found some new interesting "leads" that may help finding more: > > * Alma's death certificate shows she was born in Idaho Co., ID Oct. 17, 1866 as the daughter of Thomas Dyer and Sarah Harper. The informant was Melissa Snyder whom I remember as residing with Nels and Alma in 1940, but who appears to have copme from NY and probably no relative of Alma's. And the information appears to be "somewhat inaccurate": > > * Alma appears to the daughter of Samuel True DYER, born at Montville, Waldo Co., ME Apr. 12, 1826 who married in ME Dec. 1, 1860 to one Laura A. Philbrook. Samuel turns out to be part of an old (prominent?) (Quaker?) family from New England that can be traced back to the 1600's, at least! > > * The 1870 census shows Samuel and Laura Dyer as farming in Lewiston, Nez Perce Co., ID. Alma is with them. > > * The 1880 census shows Samuel and Laura Dyer as farming in District #3, Columbia Co., WA. Alma is with them. > > * The 1883 WA census shows Samuel and Laura Dyer as storekeepers in Garfield Co., WA. Alma is with them. > > * The 1887 WA census shows Samuel and Laura Dyer as ranchers in Adams Co., WA. Alma is with them. > > * The 1900 census shows Samuel and Laura Dyer as farming in Cow Creek precinct, Adams Co., WA. Alma is gone, but they had an adopted son Joseph C. Dyer, born in OR Jan. of 1887. > > * Then I find that Samuel Truman Dyer, widowed rancher, died near Harper, Adams Co., WA on June 18, 1907 > > * Then I have found the following entry in the 1900 census for Bethel precinct, Whitman Co., WA: > > SHIRRELL, William G. Apr. 1868 OR IL IL farmer married 1 year > SHIRRELL, Alma V. Oct. 1867 ID ME ME wife no children > PARKER, Wilbur L. Dec. 1896 OR unk OR nephew > > and their marriage: > > Name: William G. Shirrell > Gender: Male > Marriage Date: 29 Jun 1899 > Marriage Place: Idaho > Residence Place: Colfax > Spouse: Alma Harper > Spouse Gender: Female > > Now, here this HARPER name reappears (given as Alma's mother's maiden name in her death certificate from 1951!)! Confusing, indeed! Could she have been married once prior to her marriage to William Shirrell?? > > Then I find William G. Shirrell in 1910, still in Whitman Co., WA, then widowed with nephew Wilbur. By 1920 William was in Klamath Co., OR, then DIVORCED. In 1935 he was at Yreka, Siskiyou Co., CA, and he died in Santa Cruz Co., CA Aug. 12, 1941. He appears to be born at Albany, Linn Co., OR > >> From these findings I conclude that the ranch where Nels and Albert Kins went to work shortly after 1900, must have been at Cow Creek, Adams Co., WA and NOT in Idaho! In fact they MAY well have moved west accompanying their uncle Hans URNESS (1848-1926) who in 1901 homesteaded in Benge precinct, Whitman Co., WA! But there must be more to it than that! This all sounds "kind of spicy" to me! Alma must have DIVORCED to marry Nels Kins!! But they MAY still have married in WA!? > > OBVIOUSLY, of great interest would be ANY newspaper articles relating to Samuel Dyer, not to mention his OBITUARY from 1907!? > > Thanks again to all of you for your great assistance trying to solve this challenge for me. I will keep my fingers and toes well crossed for success! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On Mar 14, 2015, at 10:46 PM, Doris Waggoner via wrote: > >> Lars, >> >> Remind us, please, what state or states you think this couple were married >> in, and the potential range of dates. If it was WA or OR, there are places >> I might be able to check. >> >> Doris >> >> On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 6:42 PM, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Dear Listers! >>> >>> I would also like to relaunch this problem of mine. I am just hoping that >>> newspaper articles can be found in regard to this couple, Nels and Alma >>> (Dyer) Kins, who had to "escape" from her relatives to marry! >>> >>> Thanks again so much for your great assistance in this matter! >>> >>> Very sincerely yours, >>> >>> Lars E. 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