I will give John H. one more try. I am going to the Norwegian Genealogy Library today and I will look through some Norwegian/American Lutheran Church records to see if I can find these Thompsons on the books. I have looked at them in the past and sometimes they can be helpful. (Assuming they went to church and that the Pastor kept up the records). Carol Larson, today in Madison, Wisconsin Sent from my iPad > On May 27, 2018, at 1:27 PM, Joy Gulden <jegulden@gmail.com> wrote: > > Lars, Just in case no one else has answered -- the Naturalization that Jerry found is at this site, but you have to order it. The last time I ordered a document, I believe it was $27 US, but that was several years ago. Joy > > http://www.ironrangeresearchcenter.org/details/7/204962 > > > >> On 5/27/2018 10:31 AM, Lars E. Oyane wrote: >> Dear Jerry and other Listers! >> >> Thank you very much, Jerry, for your latest messages in regard to John H. Thompson! >> >> Too bad there are so many gentlemen with the same name! Now the laborer from Norway township, Fillmore Co., MN 1870 MAY be the one I am looking for, although he lived in kind of the «wrong part» of Fillmore Co. where there are no other Sognings! However, the guy who applied for naturalization in Fillmore Co., MN just HAS TO BE «our guy», with that middle initial!! >> >> But now my next question would be: >> >> Where is this naturalization record filed? Do I need to contact Fillmore Co., MN directly about it? Does anyone know? >> >> Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter, and let me wish you all a Happy Memorial Day weekend! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> PS: As you probably know, Memorial Day is another one of those American Holidays which we don’t celebrate over here. But that you do, I very well experienced in 2000, when I had a tight schedule working plan for a Minnesota courthouse on that day! >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >>> On May 24, 2018, at 10:10 PM, Jerry Lloyd <jlloyd@midco.net> wrote: >>> Naturalization Record >>> >>> First Name: JOHN H. >>> Last Name: THOMPSON >>> Location: FILLMORE >>> County: FILLMORE >>> State: MINNESOTA >>> Code: 2 >>> Reel: 1 >>> Volume: B >>> Page: 422 >> ~~~~~~~~~~ >> >>> On May 24, 2018, at 7:59 PM, Jerry Lloyd <jlloyd@midco.net> wrote: >>> John Thompson >>> in the 1870 United States Federal Census <> >>> View <> >>> Name: John Thompson >>> Age in 1870: 28 >>> Birth Year: abt 1842 >>> Birthplace: Norway >>> Dwelling Number: 100 >>> Home in 1870: Norway, Fillmore, Minnesota >>> Race: White >>> Gender: Male >>> Occupation: Farm Laborer >>> Father of Foreign Birth: Y >>> Mother of Foreign Birth: Y >>> Household Members: >>> Name Age >>> John Thompson <> 28 >>> >>> > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/norway@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/norway@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Dear Leslie, Jerry, Sherrie, Sarah, Harold and other Listers! I am very grateful to you for your efforts trying to help me out with information about this very «elusive» family that I recently discovered. I believe I should start this message by giving you a complete review of what I know so far: ~~~~~ Johannes Jorgenson Joranger aka John Jorgenson (Sr), born in Hafslo Aug. 5, 1827, emigrated in 1860 and married in Dunn Co., WI May 29, 1876 to: Caroline Nelson, born in Maalselv Co., Norway Apr. 11, 1852, emigrated in 1864 The couple settled on a farm in Wheaton township, Chippewa Co., WI, but had to leave the farm due to failing tax payments in 1893 or 1894 and maybe lived briefly in Chippewa Falls, WI, but are just NOWHERE to be found in the 1900 or later censuses! What happened to them is so far unknown… One theory is they went to Canada, but more likely they moved «West» somewhere… Another possibility, with John being so much older (25 years!) than his wife, he may have died, and Caroline remarried providing for, at least temporarily, different last names for her children in the census records! I know of five children in the family: * Betsy Marie Jorgenson, born in Chippewa Co., WI 1876 or early 1877, was confirmed in 1893, and then disappears! * Johan Peder aka John J. Jorgenson (Jr), born in Chippewa Co., WI Oct. 20, 1878, may have lived for a while in Wyoming and later in Lewiston, ID (in 1913 said to be «of Lewiston, ID», but married at Moxee, Yakima Co., WA Apr. 2, 1913 to Anna M. Schmitz, born in Yakima Co., WA Jan. 19, 1895 to German immigrant parents. They moved to Seattle, WA where John worked as a sheep shearer. Anna died in Seattle, WA Jan. 28, 1937, while John died in Seattle, WA Nov. 28, 1966. There were two children: ** Alfred Jorgenson (1914-1948) who married Helen Agnes Doucett and had there children, James, Marilyn and Larry of whom the daughter Marilyn (Howard) still lives at Eugene, OR. ** Margaret Jorgenson (1925-2003) who married three times, last time to a Mr. Whitsett. She had several children, two of whom appear to be alive, Robert Crossen of Sedro Woolley, WA and Sharon Justus of Hermiston, OR. * Carl Jorgenson, born in Chippewa Co., WI June 25, 1880, was a sheep shearer like his brother John and always seems to have lived with John and his family. Carl died in Seattle, WA Nov. 18, 1962. He never married. * Nels H. Jorgenson, born in Chippewa Co., WI Dec. 27, 1882, unknown what happened to him… * Christine Jorgenson, born in Chippewa Co., WI Sep. 4, 1884, unknown what happened to her… The big «mystery» is to figure out what happened to John Sr. and his wife Caroline as well as to the three children Betsy Marie, Nels and Christine. I have tried so many times calling the three surviving grandchildren of John Jorgenson Jr.’s leaving messages that I will call back, but so far to no avail! If only these people could answer their phones!!! As I understand it, Alfred Jorgensen’s wife never seems to have had much or anything to do with the Jorgenson side of the family after she remarried Neil Koselke, so the best sources for further information may turn out to be Robert Crossen or Sharon Justus. Their m0ther Margaret arranged for the funerals of both John Jr. and Carl in Seattle, WA in 1966 and 1962, so she definitely must have known something about the family, but what did she convey to her children about the uncle, aunts or grandparents?? ~~~~~ Any suggestions from your side would be SOO welcome. Thanks again for your great understanding and willingness to help me out! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane a frustrated Norwegian ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On Apr 24, 2018, at 12:04 PM, Sarah Thorson Little via NORWAY <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Lars, it looks like she has two surviving children from her complete obituary from the East Oregonian in Pendleton, Oregon on December 11, 2003 > > WHITSETT -- Margaret Whitsett , 78, of Hermiston, a retired accountant,died Monday, Dec. 8, 2003, at Good Samaritan Center in Hermiston. A memorialservice will be held later with private inurnment. Mrs. Whitsett was born Aug.17, 1925, at Seattle, to John and Anna Jorgenson. She grew up and attendedschools in Seattle, then graduated from business school with a degree in accounting.In September 1960, she married Floyd A. Whitsett at Seattle. She was employedas an accountant for G.O. Guy Drugs for several years. In 1973, the Whitsettsmoved to Valdez, Alaska, and later to Anchorage, Alaska. After her retirement,the couple moved to Baker City in 1985 and to Reno, Nev., in 1992. They movedto Alger, Wash., in 1994 and to Hermiston four years ago. Mrs. Whitsett was aformer member of the Eagles and Moose lodges. She enjoyed playing cribbage,traveling, animals, loved being a grandmother and was a champion bowler. Survivorsinclude her husband, at the home; son, Robert Crossen of Alger, Wash.;daughter, Sharon Justus, of Hermiston; 11 grandchildren; and several greatgrandchildren. She was preceded in death by her parents, by a daughter, DiannaCrossen and by sons, Ron Crossen and Gary Crossen. > > ~~~~~ > > On Apr 24, 2018, at 12:01 PM, Sherrie Stahl <sherriestahl@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Helen Agnes KOSELKE Helen Agnes (Doucett) Koselke, 91, passed away at NW Hospital in Seattle on February 4th. Helen was born September 11, 1919 in Everett, WA, daughter to William James Doucett & Elizabeth Alyque (Reid) Doucett. Helen later moved to Ballard with her family and attended Ballard High School. She married Neil Anthony Koselke in 1949 and lived in Seattle until her passing. Helen is survived by 5 children; Marilyn Howard of Eugene, OR, Larry Koselke of Cle Elum, WA, Dennis Koselke of Camano Island, WA, Eugene Koselke of Camano Island, WA & Loreto B.C.S. Mexico, and Debra Egeck of Woodinville, WA. Helen is also survived by 11 grandchildren, 12 great grandchildren, 6 great-great grandchildren, her brother James Ronald Doucett of Monroe, WA and numerous nieces, nephews and close friends. Helen was predeceased in death by her first husband, Alfred James Jorgenson in 1948, and her husband of 45 years Neil Anthony Koselke in 1994, her son James Jorgenson in 2007 and her brother John Walter Doucett in 2007. A graveside service will be held Wednesday February 9th, 11:00 a.m. at Calvary Cemetery 5041 - 35th Ave NE, Seattle, WA. Helen requested that in lieu of flowers remembrances can be made to St. Catherine of Sienna School or Children's Hospital, both in Seattle. > > Sherrie stahl > sherriestahl@gmail.com > > ~~~~~ > > On Tuesday, April 24, 2018, 9:47:18 AM PDT, Harold Christensen <haroldmable@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Lars, > > The 1940 census for Seattle shows Alfred Jorgenson, age 25, wife Helen, age 20, son Alfred S, age 1, and sister, Margaret, age 14. Alfred is a cement finisher working on a government project. All of these were born in Washington. > > Harold > > ~~~~~ > > On Apr 24, 2018, at 9:26 AM, Leslie Quist <mamakitty@charter.net> wrote: > > Lars, you don't say who John married in Yakima County. It is quite a large county too and covers more ground than some states. I live in Yakima, but I need a name! There are places to look and I know some of them. He may have worked for the Sheep Company that ran sheep around here about that time. I remember hearing about them when I was a child and my father knew one of the herders. Send me information and I'll spend some time looking for a marriage in 1913. The library in downtown Yakima has the archives of the Yakima Herald and Yakima Republic and also the Polks directory. The Yakima Valley Genealogy Society also has a file of the obituarys that were published in the newspaper. All neatly and alphabetically filed. But I need names! > Leslie Quist > > ~~~~~ > > From: Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 5:46 AM To: norway@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NOR] Help to find family in the Seatle, WA area? > > Dear Listers! > > I am frustrated! It appears to be soo hard to locate nowliving descendants of certain families in the Seattle, WA area, but maybe someone can help me? > > John Jorgensen (1878-1966) was a sheep shearer and lived for many years in Seattle, WA. He was married and had two children: > > * Alfred Jorgensen (1914-1948) who married Helen Doucett - she remarried Neil Koselke and died in Seattle, WA Feb. 4, 2011. Her obituary appeared isn the Seattle Times on Feb. 8, 2011. I cannot get up the actual obituary, but an «abstract» of this obituary on FamilySearch gives the following names of spouses and children: > > Neil Anthony Koselke, husband > Marilyn Howard, daughter > Larry Koselke, son > Dennis Koselke, son > Eugene Koselke, son > Debra Egeck, daughter > Alfred James Jorgenson, husband > James Jorgenson, son > > * Margaret Jorgenson (1925-2003) married three times, 1st to Robert Lennstrom, 2nd to Crossen and 3rd to Floyd Whitsett. No obituary can be found for Margaret, but Floyd Whitsett died at Richland, OR Mar. 31, 2006, and an extract of his obituary from the East Oregonian dated Apr. 11, 2006 lists the following spouse and children: > > Margaret Anna Crossen, wife > Dianna Crossen, daughter > Gary Crossen, son > Sharon Justus, daughter > Ron Crossen, son > Robert Crossen, son > > Margaret Whitsett appears to have died at Sedro Woolley, WA, and there is a Ronald Crossen in the Sedro Woolley telephone directory, but despite dozens of calls, I get no answer… > > Could it be that the original obituaries include more precise information about these families, or maybe someone has other suggestions how I can get in contact with family members? > > PS: My REAL Challenge with this family is the following: > > John Jorgenson (Joranger) from Hafslo (Aug. 5, 1827- ) and Caroline Jensdotter from Maalselv (Apr. 11, 1852) farmed at least until 1888 the E½ NW¼ of Section 18 in Wheaton township, Chippewa Co., WI - near the Elk Mound, WI settlement and had at least five children: > > * Betsy Marie Jorgenson - born 1876/1877 > * John Peder Jorgenson - born Oct. 20, 1878 - ended up as a sheep shearer in Seattle, WA > * Carl Jorgenson - born June 25, 1880 - was also a sheep shearer in Seattle, WA, but never married > * Nels H. Jorgenson, born Dec. 27, 1882 > * Christine Jorgenson, born Sep. 4, 1884 > > When John married in Yakima Co., WA in 1913, he was a resident of Lewiston, ID, and he may also have lived in Carbon Co., WY prior to that, but NOWHERE can I find any members of this family in the 1900 or 1910 censuses!! > > My hope is that children of Alfred’s or Margaret’s MAY have heard about aunt Betsy, uncle Nels or aunt Christine… Or maybe someone has other suggestions how this family can be traced?? > > Thanks a million for your great assistance in this matter! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane, a frustrated Norwegian! > >

Dear Marian, I am pretty sure it says IGLAND here as well, just compare with the name of the 1st sponsor on next line, Knud Igland! Parents’ names don’t say... Hope this helps! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On Jun 3, 2018, at 8:07 PM, Marian Hill <marian.hill@gmail.com> wrote: > > Thank you. > > The following, which the List has looked at before, might (or might not) be > the baptism of a child of that marriage. (It's #45 (looks more like a 5) on > the left hand side.) > > Permanent image ID: > kb20051209010011 > > Quick Link: > https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051209010011 > > Permanent Image-link: > http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051209010011.jpg > > In the case of the baptism, people have read the farm as Øgland (Aukland). > > Could the marriage be the same? If not, what might be an alternative name > for Igland? > > Thanks again. > > Marian > > > > On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 5:27 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: > >> Dear Marian, >> >> The names look to me as: Ole Ouensen Igland and Zitzele Ormsdatter ibid., >> i.e. the same farm name as his! >> >> Hoping this helps you, >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> On Jun 3, 2018, at 6:59 PM, Marian Hill <marian.hill@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I'd appreciate help with reading #4 on the second page (1763) >> >> Permanent image ID: >> kb20051209010127 >> >> Quick Link: >> https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051209010127 >> >> Permanent Image-link: >> http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051209010127.jpg >> >> I believe his farm name is Ogland (Aukland), but can't read hers at all. Is >> his patronymic Ovensen? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Marian >> >> >>

Dear Nancy, It’s hard to help you unless you send us a link to the page in question… Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On Jun 3, 2018, at 9:55 PM, Nancy Hunt via NORWAY <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Dear Listers,I cannot read the note in the last column in this citation for #29, John son of Peder Olsen and Ane Johnsdatter Selnes. Can anyone help me? > Also, looking on Google Earth for Selnes brings me to an entirely different part of Sør Trondelag. Is Ane's farm not Selnes?? Can anyone else find it in Stadsbygd parish? (I see a road named Selnesvegen, but no Selnes.) > Thank you for your help.Nancy > > _______________________________________________

Hello Marian, That baptism is impossible to read. In 1801 there was a farm named Øgland in Hjelmeland sogn in Hjelmeland parish and a farm named Igland in Aardahl sogn in Hjelmeland parish. So two different farms. See also the old digital archives 58 Stavanger Hielmeland Hielmeland Øgland 108 Stavanger Hielmeland Aardahl Igland The farmname at the marriage is Igland. And Igland seems not similar to Øgland. At google maps I can find Igland but not Øgland. Maybe Øgland does not exist anymore nowadays, I do not know There seems nowadays a place or farm named Aukland in Norway near Kristiansand. But not in former days according to what I can find out at the digital archives. Kind regards Reina -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- From: Marian Hill Sent: Monday, June 4, 2018 3:07 AM To: Lars E. Oyane Cc: norway@rootsweb.com Subject: [NOR] Re: Help reading church book Thank you. The following, which the List has looked at before, might (or might not) be the baptism of a child of that marriage. (It's #45 (looks more like a 5) on the left hand side.) Permanent image ID: kb20051209010011 Quick Link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051209010011 Permanent Image-link: http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051209010011.jpg In the case of the baptism, people have read the farm as Øgland (Aukland). Could the marriage be the same? If not, what might be an alternative name for Igland? Thanks again. Marian On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 5:27 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: > Dear Marian, > > The names look to me as: Ole Ouensen Igland and Zitzele Ormsdatter ibid., > i.e. the same farm name as his! > > Hoping this helps you, > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On Jun 3, 2018, at 6:59 PM, Marian Hill <marian.hill@gmail.com> wrote: > > I'd appreciate help with reading #4 on the second page (1763) > > Permanent image ID: > kb20051209010127 > > Quick Link: > https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051209010127 > > Permanent Image-link: > http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051209010127.jpg > > I believe his farm name is Ogland (Aukland), but can't read hers at all. > Is > his patronymic Ovensen? > > Thanks. > > Marian > > > _______________________________________________ Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/norway@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/norway@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Dear Listers,I cannot read the note in the last column in this citation for #29, John son of Peder Olsen and Ane Johnsdatter Selnes. Can anyone help me? Also, looking on Google Earth for Selnes brings me to an entirely different part of Sør Trondelag. Is Ane's farm not Selnes?? Can anyone else find it in Stadsbygd parish? (I see a road named Selnesvegen, but no Selnes.) Thank you for your help.Nancy

Thank you. The following, which the List has looked at before, might (or might not) be the baptism of a child of that marriage. (It's #45 (looks more like a 5) on the left hand side.) Permanent image ID: kb20051209010011 Quick Link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051209010011 Permanent Image-link: http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051209010011.jpg In the case of the baptism, people have read the farm as Øgland (Aukland). Could the marriage be the same? If not, what might be an alternative name for Igland? Thanks again. Marian On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 5:27 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: > Dear Marian, > > The names look to me as: Ole Ouensen Igland and Zitzele Ormsdatter ibid., > i.e. the same farm name as his! > > Hoping this helps you, > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On Jun 3, 2018, at 6:59 PM, Marian Hill <marian.hill@gmail.com> wrote: > > I'd appreciate help with reading #4 on the second page (1763) > > Permanent image ID: > kb20051209010127 > > Quick Link: > https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051209010127 > > Permanent Image-link: > http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051209010127.jpg > > I believe his farm name is Ogland (Aukland), but can't read hers at all. Is > his patronymic Ovensen? > > Thanks. > > Marian > > >

Dear Marian, The names look to me as: Ole Ouensen Igland and Zitzele Ormsdatter ibid., i.e. the same farm name as his! Hoping this helps you, Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On Jun 3, 2018, at 6:59 PM, Marian Hill <marian.hill@gmail.com> wrote: > > I'd appreciate help with reading #4 on the second page (1763) > > Permanent image ID: > kb20051209010127 > > Quick Link: > https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051209010127 > > Permanent Image-link: > http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051209010127.jpg > > I believe his farm name is Ogland (Aukland), but can't read hers at all. Is > his patronymic Ovensen? > > Thanks. > > Marian >

I'd appreciate help with reading #4 on the second page (1763) Permanent image ID: kb20051209010127 Quick Link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051209010127 Permanent Image-link: http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20051209010127.jpg I believe his farm name is Ogland (Aukland), but can't read hers at all. Is his patronymic Ovensen? Thanks. Marian

The litteral translation is "owns nothing". To my knowledge it means that the person has no money and does not own any property. Morten > Hello Listers > > At nr 23 and 24 (see link) in the last column (at the second page) is written: intet eiende (?) > > <https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/35327/21> > > What does it mean? > > This is often seen at the dødsfallprotocoller > > Thanks > Reina

Hello Listers At nr 23 and 24 (see link) in the last column (at the second page) is written: intet eiende (?) <https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/35327/21> What does it mean? This is often seen at the dødsfallprotocoller Thanks Reina

John Jorgensen in the U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-2014 U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-2014 No Image Text-only collection Request copy of original application Add alternate information Report issue Name: John Jorgensen SSN: 531-07-0029 Last Residence: 98103 Seattle, King, Washington, USA BORN: 20 Oct 1878 Died: Nov 1966 State (Year) SSN issued: Washington (Before 1951) Save  Cancel -----Original Message----- From: Leslie Quist Sent: Saturday, May 5, 2018 8:14 AM To: NORWAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NOR] Re: Help to find family in the Seatle, WA area? I just happened to think, this wasn't from the courthouse it was from the Washington State Digital Archives. You might be able to find what you want, or most of it from home without having to go thru several others. Worth trying anyway? Leslie Quist ----- Original Message ----- From: Lars E. Oyane To: Leslie Quist Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2018 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [NOR] Help to find family in the Seatle, WA area? Dear Leslie! Thank you very much for sending me the report from the courthouse with the information from the marriage certificate! YES, it is indeed «my» John Jorgensen, although his name seems kind of «corrupt»… He always went by John J. Jorgensen, but we have his birthdate to prove he is the one who was born in Chippewa Co., WI on Oct. 20, 1878! And he had the younger brother Carl…! What I don’t understand, is the reference to Lewiston, ID, since I can find no trace of the family in that area! I keep my fingers and toes well crossed that you may succeed in finding additional information about this couple at the main library. Maybe some write-ups in the local paper such as a wedding announcement? Or could it be the Catholic church has records of the marriage with additional information? Thanks again, Leslie, for your efforts in this matter. It is indeed very much appreciated! Good Luck! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On May 3, 2018, at 2:38 PM, Leslie Quist <mamakitty@charter.net> wrote: Hermiston is a loooong way from here. Last time I was through there was over 40 years ago. The report goes thusly. 'There is a place online called Washington State Digital Archives. I went there and found a marriage certificate for John Jos. Jorgenson of Lewiston Idaho and Miss Anna Schmitz of Yakima. Their certificate was dated 2 April 1913 and the marriage date is the 14th of April 1913. They were married by L.A. LaMontague, Pastor, A Roman Catholic Priest.' Is this your John Jorgenson? The middle name doesn't track with the info I have seen from you. I haven't had time to go downtown to the main library lately, when I do, I will be sure to email you what I find. Leslie Quist Dear Leslie! Thank you very much for your message which just arrived. NO, I have seen no report from you on the list regarding the Jorgensen/Schmitz marriage, so please do repost it. Maybe you could also send me a report directly? Thanks a million! I am anxious to learn what you have found! By the way, I have located the last surviving daughter of Margaret Jorgensen living at Hermiston, OR. I even have a phone number for her, but she NEVER answers her phone… Maybe she is suspicious about someone calling from overseas…? You never go down that way, do you…? Here is the contact information I got: Sharon Justus 80613 Allen Ln Hermiston, OR 97838-7348 phone: (541)567-3986 Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On May 3, 2018, at 11:57 AM, Leslie Quist <mamakitty@charter.net> wrote: Lars, did my report on the marriage of John Jos. Jorgensen of Lewiston Id and Anna M Schmitz come thru on the list? My memory is slipping and I don't remember seeing it. If you didn't see it, let me know and I'll repost it. Leslie Quist ----- Original Message ----- From: Lars E. Oyane To: norway@rootsweb.com Cc: Sarah Thorson Little ; Sherrie Stahl ; Harold Christensen ; Leslie Quist Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [NOR] Re: Help to find family in the Seatle, WA area? Dear Leslie, Harold, Sherrie, Sarah and other Listers! Thank you all so very much for your great messages in regard to my Jorgenson family! Now with the full obituaries of Margaret Whitsett and Helen Koselke, there seems to be four surviving grandchildren of John and Anna Jorgenson’s: * Robert Crossen of Sedro Wolley, WA (with the same phone number that I have tried for days listed on Ronald Crossen) * Sharon Justus of Hermiston, OR (whose number works, and I have left her a message!) * Marilyn Howard of Eugene, OR (whose number on whitepages is out ofd service) * Larry Koselke of Cle Elum, WA (whose number is only available on Whitepages premium…) I appreciate very much, Leslie, your willingness to do additional research in Yakima Co., WA for this family. John Jorgenson, the sheep shearer, «of Lewiston, ID» was married at Moxee, Yakima Co., WA Apr. 2, 1913 to Anna M. Schmitz, supposedly born in Yakima Co., WA Jan. 19, 1895, the daughter of Frank and Mary Schmitz. The Schmitz family lived in Yakima Co., WA at least until the 1910’s, but Frank and Mary appear to have divorced some time prior to 1920, and Mary moved to Seattle, WA! Maybe you can find church records in the Yakima, WA area including the Schmitz family helping us to Anna’s middle name? I believe they were German Catholic! Thanks again for your great assistance trying to help me with tracing this family. Hopefully I will sooner or later get hold of Sharon Justus or one of the other Jorgenson descendants… Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~ On Apr 24, 2018, at 12:04 PM, Sarah Thorson Little via NORWAY <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: Lars, it looks like she has two surviving children from her complete obituary from the East Oregonian in Pendleton, Oregon on December 11, 2003 WHITSETT -- Margaret Whitsett , 78, of Hermiston, a retired accountant,died Monday, Dec. 8, 2003, at Good Samaritan Center in Hermiston. A memorialservice will be held later with private inurnment. Mrs. Whitsett was born Aug.17, 1925, at Seattle, to John and Anna Jorgenson. She grew up and attendedschools in Seattle, then graduated from business school with a degree in accounting.In September 1960, she married Floyd A. Whitsett at Seattle. She was employedas an accountant for G.O. Guy Drugs for several years. In 1973, the Whitsettsmoved to Valdez, Alaska, and later to Anchorage, Alaska. After her retirement,the couple moved to Baker City in 1985 and to Reno, Nev., in 1992. They movedto Alger, Wash., in 1994 and to Hermiston four years ago. Mrs. Whitsett was aformer member of the Eagles and Moose lodges. She enjoyed playing cribbage,traveling, animals, loved being a grandmother and was a champion bowler. Survivorsinclude her husband, at the home; son, Robert Crossen of Alger, Wash.;daughter, Sharon Justus, of Hermiston; 11 grandchildren; and several greatgrandchildren. She was preceded in death by her parents, by a daughter, DiannaCrossen and by sons, Ron Crossen and Gary Crossen. *** Sharon Justus, 80613 Allen Lane, Hermiston, OR 541-567-3986 ~~~~~ On Apr 24, 2018, at 12:01 PM, Sherrie Stahl <sherriestahl@gmail.com> wrote: Helen Agnes KOSELKE Helen Agnes (Doucett) Koselke, 91, passed away at NW Hospital in Seattle on February 4th. Helen was born September 11, 1919 in Everett, WA, daughter to William James Doucett & Elizabeth Alyque (Reid) Doucett. Helen later moved to Ballard with her family and attended Ballard High School. She married Neil Anthony Koselke in 1949 and lived in Seattle until her passing. Helen is survived by 5 children; Marilyn Howard of Eugene, OR, Larry Koselke of Cle Elum, WA, Dennis Koselke of Camano Island, WA, Eugene Koselke of Camano Island, WA & Loreto B.C.S. Mexico, and Debra Egeck of Woodinville, WA. Helen is also survived by 11 grandchildren, 12 great grandchildren, 6 great-great grandchildren, her brother James Ronald Doucett of Monroe, WA and numerous nieces, nephews and close friends. Helen was predeceased in death by her first husband, Alfred James Jorgenson in 1948, and her husband of 45 years Neil Anthony Koselke in 1994, her son James Jorgenson in 2007 and her brother John Walter Doucett in 2007. A graveside service will be held Wednesday February 9th, 11:00 a.m. at Calvary Cemetery 5041 - 35th Ave NE, Seattle, WA. Helen requested that in lieu of flowers remembrances can be made to St. Catherine of Sienna School or Children's Hospital, both in Seattle. Sherrie stahl sherriestahl@gmail.com ~~~~~ On Tuesday, April 24, 2018, 9:47:18 AM PDT, Harold Christensen <haroldmable@hotmail.com> wrote: Lars, The 1940 census for Seattle shows Alfred Jorgenson, age 25, wife Helen, age 20, son Alfred S, age 1, and sister, Margaret, age 14. Alfred is a cement finisher working on a government project. All of these were born in Washington. Harold ~~~~~ On Apr 24, 2018, at 9:26 AM, Leslie Quist <mamakitty@charter.net> wrote: Lars, you don't say who John married in Yakima County. It is quite a large county too and covers more ground than some states. I live in Yakima, but I need a name! There are places to look and I know some of them. He may have worked for the Sheep Company that ran sheep around here about that time. I remember hearing about them when I was a child and my father knew one of the herders. Send me information and I'll spend some time looking for a marriage in 1913. The library in downtown Yakima has the archives of the Yakima Herald and Yakima Republic and also the Polks directory. The Yakima Valley Genealogy Society also has a file of the obituarys that were published in the newspaper. All neatly and alphabetically filed. But I need names! Leslie Quist ~~~~~ From: Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 5:46 AM To: norway@rootsweb.com Subject: [NOR] Help to find family in the Seatle, WA area? Dear Listers! I am frustrated! It appears to be soo hard to locate nowliving descendants of certain families in the Seattle, WA area, but maybe someone can help me? John Jorgensen (1878-1966) was a sheep shearer and lived for many years in Seattle, WA. He was married and had two children: * Alfred Jorgensen (1914-1948) who married Helen Doucett - she remarried Neil Koselke and died in Seattle, WA Feb. 4, 2011. Her obituary appeared isn the Seattle Times on Feb. 8, 2011. I cannot get up the actual obituary, but an «abstract» of this obituary on FamilySearch gives the following names of spouses and children: Neil Anthony Koselke, husband Marilyn Howard, daughter Larry Koselke, son Dennis Koselke, son Eugene Koselke, son Debra Egeck, daughter Alfred James Jorgenson, husband James Jorgenson, son * Margaret Jorgenson (1925-2003) married three times, 1st to Robert Lennstrom, 2nd to Crossen and 3rd to Floyd Whitsett. No obituary can be found for Margaret, but Floyd Whitsett died at Richland, OR Mar. 31, 2006, and an extract of his obituary from the East Oregonian dated Apr. 11, 2006 lists the following spouse and children: Margaret Anna Crossen, wife Dianna Crossen, daughter Gary Crossen, son Sharon Justus, daughter Ron Crossen, son Robert Crossen, son Margaret Whitsett appears to have died at Sedro Woolley, WA, and there is a Ronald Crossen in the Sedro Woolley telephone directory, but despite dozens of calls, I get no answer… Could it be that the original obituaries include more precise information about these families, or maybe someone has other suggestions how I can get in contact with family members? PS: My REAL Challenge with this family is the following: John Jorgenson (Joranger) from Hafslo (Aug. 5, 1827- ) and Caroline Jensdotter from Maalselv (Apr. 11, 1852) farmed at least until 1888 the E½ NW¼ of Section 18 in Wheaton township, Chippewa Co., WI - near the Elk Mound, WI settlement and had at least five children: * Betsy Marie Jorgenson - born 1876/1877 * John Peder Jorgenson - born Oct. 20, 1878 - ended up as a sheep shearer in Seattle, WA * Carl Jorgenson - born June 25, 1880 - was also a sheep shearer in Seattle, WA, but never married * Nels H. Jorgenson, born Dec. 27, 1882 * Christine Jorgenson, born Sep. 4, 1884 When John married in Yakima Co., WA in 1913, he was a resident of Lewiston, ID, and he may also have lived in Carbon Co., WY prior to that, but NOWHERE can I find any members of this family in the 1900 or 1910 censuses!! My hope is that children of Alfred’s or Margaret’s MAY have heard about aunt Betsy, uncle Nels or aunt Christine… Or maybe someone has other suggestions how this family can be traced?? Thanks a million for your great assistance in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. 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Save  Print Share John Jorgensen in the 1940 United States Federal Census View 1940 United States Federal Census View blank form Add alternate information Report issue Name: John Jorgensen Age: 62 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878 Gender: Male Race: White Birthplace: Wisconsin Marital Status: Married Relation to Head of House: Head Home in 1940: Marysville, Snohomish, Washington Map of Home in 1940: View Map Street: Third House Number: 1414 Farm: No Inferred Residence in 1935: Marysville, Snohomish, Washington Residence in 1935: Same House Sheet Number: 2A Number of Household in Order of Visitation: 38 Occupation: Derrick Engineer House Owned or Rented: Owned Value of Home or Monthly Rental if Rented: 1800 Attended School or College: No Highest Grade Completed: Elementary school, 8th grade Hours Worked Week Prior to Census: 48 Class of Worker: Wage or salary worker in private work Weeks Worked in 1939: 52 Income: 1800 Income Other Sources: No Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age John Jorgensen 62 Josephine Jorgensen 52 Carl Jorgensen 58 Lena Jorgensen 51 Save  Cancel -----Original Message----- From: Leslie Quist Sent: Saturday, May 5, 2018 8:14 AM To: NORWAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NOR] Re: Help to find family in the Seatle, WA area? I just happened to think, this wasn't from the courthouse it was from the Washington State Digital Archives. You might be able to find what you want, or most of it from home without having to go thru several others. Worth trying anyway? Leslie Quist ----- Original Message ----- From: Lars E. Oyane To: Leslie Quist Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2018 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [NOR] Help to find family in the Seatle, WA area? Dear Leslie! Thank you very much for sending me the report from the courthouse with the information from the marriage certificate! YES, it is indeed «my» John Jorgensen, although his name seems kind of «corrupt»… He always went by John J. Jorgensen, but we have his birthdate to prove he is the one who was born in Chippewa Co., WI on Oct. 20, 1878! And he had the younger brother Carl…! What I don’t understand, is the reference to Lewiston, ID, since I can find no trace of the family in that area! I keep my fingers and toes well crossed that you may succeed in finding additional information about this couple at the main library. Maybe some write-ups in the local paper such as a wedding announcement? Or could it be the Catholic church has records of the marriage with additional information? Thanks again, Leslie, for your efforts in this matter. It is indeed very much appreciated! Good Luck! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On May 3, 2018, at 2:38 PM, Leslie Quist <mamakitty@charter.net> wrote: Hermiston is a loooong way from here. Last time I was through there was over 40 years ago. The report goes thusly. 'There is a place online called Washington State Digital Archives. I went there and found a marriage certificate for John Jos. Jorgenson of Lewiston Idaho and Miss Anna Schmitz of Yakima. Their certificate was dated 2 April 1913 and the marriage date is the 14th of April 1913. They were married by L.A. LaMontague, Pastor, A Roman Catholic Priest.' Is this your John Jorgenson? The middle name doesn't track with the info I have seen from you. I haven't had time to go downtown to the main library lately, when I do, I will be sure to email you what I find. Leslie Quist Dear Leslie! Thank you very much for your message which just arrived. NO, I have seen no report from you on the list regarding the Jorgensen/Schmitz marriage, so please do repost it. Maybe you could also send me a report directly? Thanks a million! I am anxious to learn what you have found! By the way, I have located the last surviving daughter of Margaret Jorgensen living at Hermiston, OR. I even have a phone number for her, but she NEVER answers her phone… Maybe she is suspicious about someone calling from overseas…? You never go down that way, do you…? Here is the contact information I got: Sharon Justus 80613 Allen Ln Hermiston, OR 97838-7348 phone: (541)567-3986 Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On May 3, 2018, at 11:57 AM, Leslie Quist <mamakitty@charter.net> wrote: Lars, did my report on the marriage of John Jos. Jorgensen of Lewiston Id and Anna M Schmitz come thru on the list? My memory is slipping and I don't remember seeing it. If you didn't see it, let me know and I'll repost it. Leslie Quist ----- Original Message ----- From: Lars E. Oyane To: norway@rootsweb.com Cc: Sarah Thorson Little ; Sherrie Stahl ; Harold Christensen ; Leslie Quist Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [NOR] Re: Help to find family in the Seatle, WA area? Dear Leslie, Harold, Sherrie, Sarah and other Listers! Thank you all so very much for your great messages in regard to my Jorgenson family! Now with the full obituaries of Margaret Whitsett and Helen Koselke, there seems to be four surviving grandchildren of John and Anna Jorgenson’s: * Robert Crossen of Sedro Wolley, WA (with the same phone number that I have tried for days listed on Ronald Crossen) * Sharon Justus of Hermiston, OR (whose number works, and I have left her a message!) * Marilyn Howard of Eugene, OR (whose number on whitepages is out ofd service) * Larry Koselke of Cle Elum, WA (whose number is only available on Whitepages premium…) I appreciate very much, Leslie, your willingness to do additional research in Yakima Co., WA for this family. John Jorgenson, the sheep shearer, «of Lewiston, ID» was married at Moxee, Yakima Co., WA Apr. 2, 1913 to Anna M. Schmitz, supposedly born in Yakima Co., WA Jan. 19, 1895, the daughter of Frank and Mary Schmitz. The Schmitz family lived in Yakima Co., WA at least until the 1910’s, but Frank and Mary appear to have divorced some time prior to 1920, and Mary moved to Seattle, WA! Maybe you can find church records in the Yakima, WA area including the Schmitz family helping us to Anna’s middle name? I believe they were German Catholic! Thanks again for your great assistance trying to help me with tracing this family. Hopefully I will sooner or later get hold of Sharon Justus or one of the other Jorgenson descendants… Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~ On Apr 24, 2018, at 12:04 PM, Sarah Thorson Little via NORWAY <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: Lars, it looks like she has two surviving children from her complete obituary from the East Oregonian in Pendleton, Oregon on December 11, 2003 WHITSETT -- Margaret Whitsett , 78, of Hermiston, a retired accountant,died Monday, Dec. 8, 2003, at Good Samaritan Center in Hermiston. A memorialservice will be held later with private inurnment. Mrs. Whitsett was born Aug.17, 1925, at Seattle, to John and Anna Jorgenson. She grew up and attendedschools in Seattle, then graduated from business school with a degree in accounting.In September 1960, she married Floyd A. Whitsett at Seattle. She was employedas an accountant for G.O. Guy Drugs for several years. In 1973, the Whitsettsmoved to Valdez, Alaska, and later to Anchorage, Alaska. After her retirement,the couple moved to Baker City in 1985 and to Reno, Nev., in 1992. They movedto Alger, Wash., in 1994 and to Hermiston four years ago. Mrs. Whitsett was aformer member of the Eagles and Moose lodges. She enjoyed playing cribbage,traveling, animals, loved being a grandmother and was a champion bowler. Survivorsinclude her husband, at the home; son, Robert Crossen of Alger, Wash.;daughter, Sharon Justus, of Hermiston; 11 grandchildren; and several greatgrandchildren. She was preceded in death by her parents, by a daughter, DiannaCrossen and by sons, Ron Crossen and Gary Crossen. *** Sharon Justus, 80613 Allen Lane, Hermiston, OR 541-567-3986 ~~~~~ On Apr 24, 2018, at 12:01 PM, Sherrie Stahl <sherriestahl@gmail.com> wrote: Helen Agnes KOSELKE Helen Agnes (Doucett) Koselke, 91, passed away at NW Hospital in Seattle on February 4th. Helen was born September 11, 1919 in Everett, WA, daughter to William James Doucett & Elizabeth Alyque (Reid) Doucett. Helen later moved to Ballard with her family and attended Ballard High School. She married Neil Anthony Koselke in 1949 and lived in Seattle until her passing. Helen is survived by 5 children; Marilyn Howard of Eugene, OR, Larry Koselke of Cle Elum, WA, Dennis Koselke of Camano Island, WA, Eugene Koselke of Camano Island, WA & Loreto B.C.S. Mexico, and Debra Egeck of Woodinville, WA. Helen is also survived by 11 grandchildren, 12 great grandchildren, 6 great-great grandchildren, her brother James Ronald Doucett of Monroe, WA and numerous nieces, nephews and close friends. Helen was predeceased in death by her first husband, Alfred James Jorgenson in 1948, and her husband of 45 years Neil Anthony Koselke in 1994, her son James Jorgenson in 2007 and her brother John Walter Doucett in 2007. A graveside service will be held Wednesday February 9th, 11:00 a.m. at Calvary Cemetery 5041 - 35th Ave NE, Seattle, WA. Helen requested that in lieu of flowers remembrances can be made to St. Catherine of Sienna School or Children's Hospital, both in Seattle. Sherrie stahl sherriestahl@gmail.com ~~~~~ On Tuesday, April 24, 2018, 9:47:18 AM PDT, Harold Christensen <haroldmable@hotmail.com> wrote: Lars, The 1940 census for Seattle shows Alfred Jorgenson, age 25, wife Helen, age 20, son Alfred S, age 1, and sister, Margaret, age 14. Alfred is a cement finisher working on a government project. All of these were born in Washington. Harold ~~~~~ On Apr 24, 2018, at 9:26 AM, Leslie Quist <mamakitty@charter.net> wrote: Lars, you don't say who John married in Yakima County. It is quite a large county too and covers more ground than some states. I live in Yakima, but I need a name! There are places to look and I know some of them. He may have worked for the Sheep Company that ran sheep around here about that time. I remember hearing about them when I was a child and my father knew one of the herders. Send me information and I'll spend some time looking for a marriage in 1913. The library in downtown Yakima has the archives of the Yakima Herald and Yakima Republic and also the Polks directory. The Yakima Valley Genealogy Society also has a file of the obituarys that were published in the newspaper. All neatly and alphabetically filed. But I need names! Leslie Quist ~~~~~ From: Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 5:46 AM To: norway@rootsweb.com Subject: [NOR] Help to find family in the Seatle, WA area? Dear Listers! I am frustrated! It appears to be soo hard to locate nowliving descendants of certain families in the Seattle, WA area, but maybe someone can help me? John Jorgensen (1878-1966) was a sheep shearer and lived for many years in Seattle, WA. He was married and had two children: * Alfred Jorgensen (1914-1948) who married Helen Doucett - she remarried Neil Koselke and died in Seattle, WA Feb. 4, 2011. Her obituary appeared isn the Seattle Times on Feb. 8, 2011. I cannot get up the actual obituary, but an «abstract» of this obituary on FamilySearch gives the following names of spouses and children: Neil Anthony Koselke, husband Marilyn Howard, daughter Larry Koselke, son Dennis Koselke, son Eugene Koselke, son Debra Egeck, daughter Alfred James Jorgenson, husband James Jorgenson, son * Margaret Jorgenson (1925-2003) married three times, 1st to Robert Lennstrom, 2nd to Crossen and 3rd to Floyd Whitsett. No obituary can be found for Margaret, but Floyd Whitsett died at Richland, OR Mar. 31, 2006, and an extract of his obituary from the East Oregonian dated Apr. 11, 2006 lists the following spouse and children: Margaret Anna Crossen, wife Dianna Crossen, daughter Gary Crossen, son Sharon Justus, daughter Ron Crossen, son Robert Crossen, son Margaret Whitsett appears to have died at Sedro Woolley, WA, and there is a Ronald Crossen in the Sedro Woolley telephone directory, but despite dozens of calls, I get no answer… Could it be that the original obituaries include more precise information about these families, or maybe someone has other suggestions how I can get in contact with family members? PS: My REAL Challenge with this family is the following: John Jorgenson (Joranger) from Hafslo (Aug. 5, 1827- ) and Caroline Jensdotter from Maalselv (Apr. 11, 1852) farmed at least until 1888 the E½ NW¼ of Section 18 in Wheaton township, Chippewa Co., WI - near the Elk Mound, WI settlement and had at least five children: * Betsy Marie Jorgenson - born 1876/1877 * John Peder Jorgenson - born Oct. 20, 1878 - ended up as a sheep shearer in Seattle, WA * Carl Jorgenson - born June 25, 1880 - was also a sheep shearer in Seattle, WA, but never married * Nels H. Jorgenson, born Dec. 27, 1882 * Christine Jorgenson, born Sep. 4, 1884 When John married in Yakima Co., WA in 1913, he was a resident of Lewiston, ID, and he may also have lived in Carbon Co., WY prior to that, but NOWHERE can I find any members of this family in the 1900 or 1910 censuses!! My hope is that children of Alfred’s or Margaret’s MAY have heard about aunt Betsy, uncle Nels or aunt Christine… Or maybe someone has other suggestions how this family can be traced?? Thanks a million for your great assistance in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. 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The naturalization papers the I have seen from this era are very limited...they state the age and country they are from but nothing about place of birth. Later decades may have the name of the ship they arrived on. I think some copies of naturalization papers for Minnesota are at the history library in St. Paul. I think I have seen my Kjerrinaes family records there. Happy searching, Carol Sent from my iPad > On May 27, 2018, at 2:27 PM, Joy Gulden <jegulden@gmail.com> wrote: > > Lars, Just in case no one else has answered -- the Naturalization that Jerry found is at this site, but you have to order it. The last time I ordered a document, I believe it was $27 US, but that was several years ago. Joy > > http://www.ironrangeresearchcenter.org/details/7/204962 > > > >> On 5/27/2018 10:31 AM, Lars E. Oyane wrote: >> Dear Jerry and other Listers! >> >> Thank you very much, Jerry, for your latest messages in regard to John H. Thompson! >> >> Too bad there are so many gentlemen with the same name! Now the laborer from Norway township, Fillmore Co., MN 1870 MAY be the one I am looking for, although he lived in kind of the «wrong part» of Fillmore Co. where there are no other Sognings! However, the guy who applied for naturalization in Fillmore Co., MN just HAS TO BE «our guy», with that middle initial!! >> >> But now my next question would be: >> >> Where is this naturalization record filed? Do I need to contact Fillmore Co., MN directly about it? Does anyone know? >> >> Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter, and let me wish you all a Happy Memorial Day weekend! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> PS: As you probably know, Memorial Day is another one of those American Holidays which we don’t celebrate over here. But that you do, I very well experienced in 2000, when I had a tight schedule working plan for a Minnesota courthouse on that day! >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >>> On May 24, 2018, at 10:10 PM, Jerry Lloyd <jlloyd@midco.net> wrote: >>> Naturalization Record >>> >>> First Name: JOHN H. >>> Last Name: THOMPSON >>> Location: FILLMORE >>> County: FILLMORE >>> State: MINNESOTA >>> Code: 2 >>> Reel: 1 >>> Volume: B >>> Page: 422 >> ~~~~~~~~~~ >> >>> On May 24, 2018, at 7:59 PM, Jerry Lloyd <jlloyd@midco.net> wrote: >>> John Thompson >>> in the 1870 United States Federal Census <> >>> View <> >>> Name: John Thompson >>> Age in 1870: 28 >>> Birth Year: abt 1842 >>> Birthplace: Norway >>> Dwelling Number: 100 >>> Home in 1870: Norway, Fillmore, Minnesota >>> Race: White >>> Gender: Male >>> Occupation: Farm Laborer >>> Father of Foreign Birth: Y >>> Mother of Foreign Birth: Y >>> Household Members: >>> Name Age >>> John Thompson <> 28 >>> >>> > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/norway@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/norway@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Lars, Just in case no one else has answered -- the Naturalization that Jerry found is at this site, but you have to order it.  The last time I ordered a document, I believe it was $27 US, but that was several years ago.    Joy http://www.ironrangeresearchcenter.org/details/7/204962 On 5/27/2018 10:31 AM, Lars E. Oyane wrote: > Dear Jerry and other Listers! > > Thank you very much, Jerry, for your latest messages in regard to John H. Thompson! > > Too bad there are so many gentlemen with the same name! Now the laborer from Norway township, Fillmore Co., MN 1870 MAY be the one I am looking for, although he lived in kind of the «wrong part» of Fillmore Co. where there are no other Sognings! However, the guy who applied for naturalization in Fillmore Co., MN just HAS TO BE «our guy», with that middle initial!! > > But now my next question would be: > > Where is this naturalization record filed? Do I need to contact Fillmore Co., MN directly about it? Does anyone know? > > Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter, and let me wish you all a Happy Memorial Day weekend! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > PS: As you probably know, Memorial Day is another one of those American Holidays which we don’t celebrate over here. But that you do, I very well experienced in 2000, when I had a tight schedule working plan for a Minnesota courthouse on that day! > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> On May 24, 2018, at 10:10 PM, Jerry Lloyd <jlloyd@midco.net> wrote: >> Naturalization Record >> >> First Name: JOHN H. >> Last Name: THOMPSON >> Location: FILLMORE >> County: FILLMORE >> State: MINNESOTA >> Code: 2 >> Reel: 1 >> Volume: B >> Page: 422 > ~~~~~~~~~~ > >> On May 24, 2018, at 7:59 PM, Jerry Lloyd <jlloyd@midco.net> wrote: >> John Thompson >> in the 1870 United States Federal Census <> >> View  <> >> Name: John Thompson >> Age in 1870: 28 >> Birth Year: abt 1842 >> Birthplace: Norway >> Dwelling Number: 100 >> Home in 1870: Norway, Fillmore, Minnesota >> Race: White >> Gender: Male >> Occupation: Farm Laborer >> Father of Foreign Birth: Y >> Mother of Foreign Birth: Y >> Household Members: >> Name Age >> John Thompson  <> 28 >> >> --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Dear Jerry and other Listers! Thank you very much, Jerry, for your latest messages in regard to John H. Thompson! Too bad there are so many gentlemen with the same name! Now the laborer from Norway township, Fillmore Co., MN 1870 MAY be the one I am looking for, although he lived in kind of the «wrong part» of Fillmore Co. where there are no other Sognings! However, the guy who applied for naturalization in Fillmore Co., MN just HAS TO BE «our guy», with that middle initial!! But now my next question would be: Where is this naturalization record filed? Do I need to contact Fillmore Co., MN directly about it? Does anyone know? Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter, and let me wish you all a Happy Memorial Day weekend! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane PS: As you probably know, Memorial Day is another one of those American Holidays which we don’t celebrate over here. But that you do, I very well experienced in 2000, when I had a tight schedule working plan for a Minnesota courthouse on that day! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On May 24, 2018, at 10:10 PM, Jerry Lloyd <jlloyd@midco.net> wrote: > Naturalization Record > > First Name: JOHN H. > Last Name: THOMPSON > Location: FILLMORE > County: FILLMORE > State: MINNESOTA > Code: 2 > Reel: 1 > Volume: B > Page: 422 ~~~~~~~~~~ > On May 24, 2018, at 7:59 PM, Jerry Lloyd <jlloyd@midco.net> wrote: > John Thompson > in the 1870 United States Federal Census <> > View  <> > Name: John Thompson > Age in 1870: 28 > Birth Year: abt 1842 > Birthplace: Norway > Dwelling Number: 100 > Home in 1870: Norway, Fillmore, Minnesota > Race: White > Gender: Male > Occupation: Farm Laborer > Father of Foreign Birth: Y > Mother of Foreign Birth: Y > Household Members: > Name Age > John Thompson  <> 28 > > > > From: Lars E. Oyane <> > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 5:45 PM > To: <>norway@rootsweb.com <mailto:norway@rootsweb.com> > Cc: Mark Erickson <> ; Jerry Lloyd <> ; John Kenneth Peterson <> ; Annette Bowen <> > Subject: Re: [NOR] John H. Thompson - another Civil War Soldier > > Dear Mark, Jerry, John, Annette and others Listers! > > Thank you so very much for your latest messages on the topic of this Civil War soldier whom I really suspected was «one of mine». With the info as John H. Thompson born 1841 that would have been a perfect «match»… «My» Johannes Torstenson Hillestad was born in Hafslo, Norway July 12, 1841 emigrated with brothers Sever and Peter as well as their mother Kari and stepfather Arne Hillestad to Lodi, Columbia Co., WI in 1861, but by 1863 they were all in Canton township, Fillmore Co., MN, except for Johannes!! > > Now, if this soldier’s name was really James H. Turton, he is definitely NOT the one I look for. I see one James H. Turton in the 1860 census for Van Buren Co., IA born in NJ about 1840! And this guy under the name James Horace Turton enlisted in IOWA on May 4, 1861; an ancestry family tree shows he died in Arkansas Feb. 29, 1904! > > Are you quite sure, Mark, this is really the same guy? James Turton didn’t ever live in Wisconsin, did he? And I couldn’t find him in the reference you enclosed either, from 31st Infantry Company I! I am sorry if I am not too «bright» when it comes to interpret these military records, but I have so little experience in that area… > > Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane >

Dear Mark, Jerry, John, Annette and others Listers! Thank you so very much for your latest messages on the topic of this Civil War soldier whom I really suspected was «one of mine». With the info as John H. Thompson born 1841 that would have been a perfect «match»… «My» Johannes Torstenson Hillestad was born in Hafslo, Norway July 12, 1841 emigrated with brothers Sever and Peter as well as their mother Kari and stepfather Arne Hillestad to Lodi, Columbia Co., WI in 1861, but by 1863 they were all in Canton township, Fillmore Co., MN, except for Johannes!! Now, if this soldier’s name was really James H. Turton, he is definitely NOT the one I look for. I see one James H. Turton in the 1860 census for Van Buren Co., IA born in NJ about 1840! And this guy under the name James Horace Turton enlisted in IOWA on May 4, 1861; an ancestry family tree shows he died in Arkansas Feb. 29, 1904! Are you quite sure, Mark, this is really the same guy? James Turton didn’t ever live in Wisconsin, did he? And I couldn’t find him in the reference you enclosed either, from 31st Infantry Company I! I am sorry if I am not too «bright» when it comes to interpret these military records, but I have so little experience in that area… Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On May 23, 2018, at 1:00 PM, Mark Erickson <merickson1870@gmail.com> wrote: > > Here’s the John that Annette found. > > > Roster of Wisconsin Volunteers, War of the Rebellion, 1861-1865. Volume II; > page 471. > > 31st Infantry, Company I > > > http://content.wisconsinhistory.org/cdm/ref/collection/tp/id/36375 > > > Thompson, John H; Residence: Keokuk, Ia.; Date: Nov. 26, 1862; Remarks: See > James H. Turton. > > Turton, James H; Residence: Milwaukee; Date: Nov. 26, 1862; Remarks: > Sergt.; Mustered Out July 8, 1865 > > _______________________________________________ >> Dear Listers, >> >> As I recently had an inquiry about lookups of Civil War Soldiers, this >> person showed up: >> >>> John H. Thompson >>> in the Ohio, Soldier Grave Registrations, 1804-1958 >>> >>> Ohio, Soldier Grave Registrations, 1804-1958 >>> >>> Name: >>> John H. Thompson >>> [T Thompson] >>> >>> Birth Date: >>> 1841 >>> >>> Enlistment Date: >>> 1 Sep 1861 >>> >>> Discharge Date: >>> 12 Jun 1865 >>> >>> Burial Place: >>> Sharon, Ohio, USA >>> >>> Cemetery: >>> Old Sharon >>> >>> Rank: >>> Private >>> >>> Branch of Service: >>> Army >>

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Here’s the John that Annette found. Roster of Wisconsin Volunteers, War of the Rebellion, 1861-1865. Volume II; page 471. 31st Infantry, Company I http://content.wisconsinhistory.org/cdm/ref/collection/tp/id/36375 Thompson, John H; Residence: Keokuk, Ia.; Date: Nov. 26, 1862; Remarks: See James H. Turton. Turton, James H; Residence: Milwaukee; Date: Nov. 26, 1862; Remarks: Sergt.; Mustered Out July 8, 1865

2 listings in same paper - Denver Post, Denver, CO @ genealogybank.com 1914 Jun 21, pg 24 LEWIS - The funeral services of Benjamin J Lewis will be held Tuesday, June 23, at 10 am. Burial in the home plot at Fairmount cemetery. LEWIS - Funeral services of the late Banjamin J Lewis will be held Tuesday at 10 am, from Walley & Rollins chapter under auspices of T.M.A. -----Original Message----- From: Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> To: norway <norway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, May 19, 2018 5:03 pm Subject: [NOR] Re: Montana Company theatre group from the early 1900's - has anyone heard of that? Dear Listers! A little more «digging» on my own has given these results for Benjamin Lewis: * 1910 census shows him as the manager of a travelling troup residing at Monte Vista in Rio Grande Co., CO with wife F. Victoria, an actress born in NY to Swedish father about 1889. They had been married three years, but had no children. * Benjamin Lewis (25) and Virginia Anderson (18) were married in Chicago, IL Dec. 16, 1907 * The Fairmount cemetery in Denver, CO shows burial dates for: Benjamin J. Lewis - born 1881 - buried June 23. 1914 Virginia A. Lewis - born 1889 - buried Oct. 28, 1912 Could very well be them?? Victims of TB? I wonder if they left any children behind?? Maybe OBITUARIES can be found? Thanks again for your wonderful assistance in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On May 19, 2018, at 5:32 PM, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: > > Dear Listers! > > I have just received a newspaper article from the Fort Dodge Messenger (Iowa) dated Jan. 31, 1908 reading as follows: > > ~~~~~ > > «Benjamin J. Lewis, of the «Montana» Company Formerly lived here and Asked News of His Father > > Benjamin J. Lewis, a member of the «Montana» company which played at the Midland theater Thursday evening, is a former Fort Dodger, having lived here with his parents about 25 years ago when his father was a grain buyer and well known here. The young man, who plays the part of Cheyenne Harry, sought news of his father while he was here, as he has heard nothing of him for many years, but his search was unrewarded. > > 25 years ago «Ole Lewis» was well known in this territory as a grain buyer and at that time and previous got that, he was a man of considerable means. The family moved from here to Wisconsin and when the boy was 8 years old, his ;parents were divorced and the father supposedly went to Oklahoma. > > 10 years ago the mother died and her son was left alone in the world. Gradually he drifted into acting mainly for the reason that the business would take him over considerable territory and might help him find his surviving parent. Fort Dodge was considered by him, to be a good place to make inquiries, but they were of no avail except to rouse memories of the missing man in the minds of some Fort Dodge men» > > ~~~~~ > > Let me add that Jesse Benjamin Lewis was born in Webster Co., IA Nov. 2, 1882. He was confirmed at First Lutheran church in Stoughton, WI in 1897. His mother died in Stoughton, WI Sep. 27, 1898, and Benjamin disappears! However, we know he was in Waco, TX in February of 1909 when he inserted an advertisement in the newspaper of Guthrie, OK looking for his father. Ole moved from Fort Dodge, IA to Guthrie, OK in 1889, but was never heard from again after 1891 when he was at Austin, TX… > > Maybe, if the «Montana» Company can be found, it may lead us to Benjamin Lewis? > > Thanks a million in advance for any suggestions! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane