On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 12:00 AM, <norway-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Have you looked at this Rootsweb Tree? > I posted the link back on the 13th. > > > http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=rschrodr01&id=I12532 > > Well documented sources, Berhow and Fatland names explained... > > ​Great find Cliff but I do not see where the names are explained? Nor whether they were really from Fatland farm which is very near Skånevik. I cannot find any of those names in the pages I have scanned for Fatland, Halsnøy <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halsn%C3%B8y> while I can easily find Doris' names But this looks to be referencing the same Fatland farm, on the ​island of Halsnøy <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halsn%C3%B8y>., in Åkra (Åkre), Hordaland, Norway which is Doris' farm and mine too (I plan to visit it in June!) https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/%C3%85kra_%28%C3%85kre%29,_Hordaland,_Norway#Farm_Names google map https://www.google.com/maps/@59.7485029,5.865343,11z?hl=en ​my cousin's translation of the farmbook description of Fatland http://kittymunson.com/index.php?page=fatland-farm-kvinnherad-v ​ ​Kitty​ --------------------------------------------------------------- genetic genealogy blog at http://blog.kittycooper.com/ family history and genealogy at http://kittymunson.com

Have you looked at this Rootsweb Tree? I posted the link back on the 13th. http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=rschrodr01&id=I12532 Well documented sources, Berhow and Fatland names explained... Cliff Lien Alberta, Canada cjl@interbaun.com -----Original Message----- From: Steve via Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 12:01 PM To: norway@rootsweb.com Subject: [NOR] Fw: Fatland genealogy Hello from South Dakota. I received this info from Rose Fatland Toupal, the aunt of the young man I originally talked to. Her parents were Guy and Mary Fatland, who lived here in Kimball, SD. Does this information move things in the right direction? I’m trying to convince Rose to join the group, but I guess for now, I’ll be a go-between. Please advise what other info is needed. Thank you in advance of any help you can give she and Justin. Steve From: Rose Toupal Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 12:04 PM To: snatvig@midstatesd.net Subject: Fatland genealogy Hello again , Found the material. I do not know how to scan and send so here goes. My great-grandparents : Brit Oliver Fatland Born 1852--- Died 1933 Married Elsa Serina Berhow Born 1857---Died 1938 Children Cora b.1875 Oscar b. 1877 William b.1878 ( My grandfather) Nettie b.1881 Nora b. 1887 Henrietta b. 1886 Vida b. 1889 Evelyn b.1891 Elsie b. 1893 Ernest b. 1895 Thelma b. 1899 Wow that's a lot of children. It says that my Granddad also married a Berhow. Interesting . I have a booklet FARM AND FAMILY HISTORY OF FATLAND . (TRANSLATED FROM NORWEIGIAN BY SVENN-ERIK MAMELUND) in the fall of 2001. It is many pages I can make copies and snail mail. Running late, talk later. Rose --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In regards to the February of 1915 "mysterious” death in Rifle, Colorado, I haven’t been able to see anything yet, but there's a great online selection of historic newspapers for Colorado here: coloradohistoricnewspapers.org I use Safari for a browser, but it’s no longer supported. Maybe someone else can find something? -Mark > On Mar 16, 2015, at 6:32 PM, Lars E. Oyane via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Dear Listers! > > For more than 30 years I have tried to find out what happened to my own cousin Ingeborg Oyane "Owens" Schuster (1844-1904)'s two sons, Pete (1865) and Mike (1876) after I heard this story about them when visiting Creighton, NE in 1982. Maybe now with so many NEWSPAPERS online is it possible to find additional information? > > Ingeborg Pedersdotter Oyane - Americanized to Owens - was born in Luster Co., Norway Aiug. 4, 1844 and emigrated with her parents in 1860 to Crawford Co., WI. She married a Prussian Theodore Schuster - sometimes spelt Shuster - at Lansing, IA July 6, 1864, and they farmed for a number of years in the Minnesota Slough in Houston Co., MN removing about 1977 to Creighton, Knox Co., NE. Ingeborg "Emily" Schuster died at Bloomfield, NE Aug. 12, 1904, while her husband Theodore Schuster had died at Creighton, NE Mar. 20, 1904. > > Among their 12 children were also these two sons: > > * John Peter aka Pete Schuster (or Shuster), born in Houston Co., MN Oct. 9, 1865, left home in the late 1880's and wasn't heard from for years until someone came to visit one of his brothers in Creighton, NE in the spring of 1915. As the story goes, Pete had been a miner at Rifle, Garfield Co., CO where he died under "mysterious" circumstances in February of 1915, and the visitor brought with him a few belongings of Pete's! > > * John Michael aka Mike Schuster (or Shuster), born in Houston Co., MN July 6, 1876, is said to have left home in the 1890's to seek his "fortune" in Montana. Now, as the story goes about him, he got involved with some horse business in Montana and was accused for having stolen these horses, upon which he was "lynched". Noone seems to know when this happened, but it must have been in the late 1890's or very early 1900's! > > The source of this information was a grandson of their brother Christopher's, who had heard the stories from his father or possibly grandfather (Christopher Schuster died in 1942). I question myself whether he may have "mixed up" the two brothers, but if so, I am convinced there has to be some records about these events, at least in local newspapers? I have found no trace of these guys in the census records! > > Thanks a million for any suggestions in regard to tracing cousins Pete and Mike! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > > > > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Greg, Right you are! When I looked at a 1900 census Don in Maine sent me of one of my Fatlands in Richland Co. ND, every single person on that pg. was either b. in Norway or had parents who were. One set of my g grandparents went to that county when they arrived in 1890, and my grandparents returned there in 1910 after homesteading in SD. Another g grandfather was in Trempealeau Co, WI by 1879, and while there were "Yankees" and Germans there, all the census records I find for him have almost all Norwegians on the page surrounding his family. People felt comfortable surrounded by their compatriots. They were also more welcome there, as immigrants, and could more gradually assimilate. They could learn English at a comfortable pace, etc. While I've been sent the emigration records for my Fatlands, I have no way of knowing who on that ship might have been neighbors. At least I don't think I do. Thanks for the suggestion. It always has to be kept in mind. Doris On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 8:48 PM, Gregory Holter <waxlerfarms@frontier.com> wrote: > Even if there weren't relatives there, Norwegians felt comfortable moving > where there were other Norwegians. And moving as a group often happened. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Doris Waggoner <waggonerdoris@gmail.com> > *To:* Gregory Holter <waxlerfarms@frontier.com> > *Cc:* "norway@rootsweb.com" <norway@rootsweb.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 17, 2015 8:40 PM > *Subject:* Re: [NOR] Fw: Fatland > > Greg, > > So some of the earlier Fatlands might have moved from IA to ND, and that > could have been why the later Fatland immigrants went to ND? I believe I > read that at least one of my Fatlands, who was a child when he arrived in > ND in 1875, homesteaded there when he came of age in the 1880s. That would > bear out what you're saying. Now to try to establish some connection with > the IA family who came earlier. . . . > > Doris > > > > On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 7:09 PM, Gregory Holter <waxlerfarms@frontier.com> > wrote: > > Many Norwegians in Iowa moved up to North Dakota in the 1870s, as the new > land there opened up for homesteading. As an example, roughly half of the > original homesteaders in the area I came from in North Dakota came up from > Iowa together around 1879, my Holter great-grandparents and family among > them. Availability of homestead land was the key. > > > Greg Holter > > >

Greg, So some of the earlier Fatlands might have moved from IA to ND, and that could have been why the later Fatland immigrants went to ND? I believe I read that at least one of my Fatlands, who was a child when he arrived in ND in 1875, homesteaded there when he came of age in the 1880s. That would bear out what you're saying. Now to try to establish some connection with the IA family who came earlier. . . . Doris On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 7:09 PM, Gregory Holter <waxlerfarms@frontier.com> wrote: > Many Norwegians in Iowa moved up to North Dakota in the 1870s, as the new > land there opened up for homesteading. As an example, roughly half of the > original homesteaders in the area I came from in North Dakota came up from > Iowa together around 1879, my Holter great-grandparents and family among > them. Availability of homestead land was the key. > > > Greg Holter > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Doris Waggoner via <norway@rootsweb.com> > *To:* Steve <snatvig@midstatesd.net> > *Cc:* Norway List <norway@rootsweb.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 17, 2015 6:38 PM > *Subject:* Re: [NOR] Fw: Fatland > > It's interesting that Brit emigrated about 1849. That was a full > generation before "my" family emigrated, with the last group leaving in > 1875. Often families went to where previous family members had gone. > However, mine went to Richland Co, ND, not IA. > >

Steve, On the series of maps that Don in Maine sent me off list, I remember seeing Skånevik, Hordaland. I'll have to go back to look at the maps to see quite where it it is. It is not the same Fatland farm as my family is from, but it's not too far away, either. It's possible, then, that the two Fatland families we're researching are related somehow if we go back far enough. It's interesting that Brit emigrated about 1849. That was a full generation before "my" family emigrated, with the last group leaving in 1875. Often families went to where previous family members had gone. However, mine went to Richland Co, ND, not IA. But some of the next generation in my family ended up in IA, so there may have been a distant connection between them. Your kind correspondent got the marriage info from FamilySearch. That might be a good place to follow up. Click on that link and see what turns up. Doris On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Steve <snatvig@midstatesd.net> wrote: > I just received this information re the Fatland family. I don’t know > who the kind person is. > > Steve > > *From:* HRHpar@austin.rr.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 17, 2015 4:25 PM > *To:* snatvig@midstatesd.net > *Subject:* Fatland > > Steve - > Rose's family came from Skånevik, Hordaland, Norway -- from the Fatland > farm in the Åkra sub-parish of Skånevik. > > The man known as "Brit" was born in Illinois. His father was Ole > Ingebriktsson of the Fatland farm (born 1819 or 1820) who immigrated to > Illinois about 1849 and moved to central Iowa (Story County) in 1855. Ole > died in Story Co. Iowa before 1900. > > "Brit" married Elsie Berhow 1873 in Story County, IA. > https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XJ1V-9JZ > > I am not related and have no further information. > > > ------------------------------ > [image: Avast logo] <http://www.avast.com/> > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > >

I just received this information re the Fatland family. I don’t know who the kind person is. Steve From: HRHpar@austin.rr.com Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 4:25 PM To: snatvig@midstatesd.net Subject: Fatland Steve - Rose's family came from Skånevik, Hordaland, Norway -- from the Fatland farm in the Åkra sub-parish of Skånevik. The man known as "Brit" was born in Illinois. His father was Ole Ingebriktsson of the Fatland farm (born 1819 or 1820) who immigrated to Illinois about 1849 and moved to central Iowa (Story County) in 1855. Ole died in Story Co. Iowa before 1900. "Brit" married Elsie Berhow 1873 in Story County, IA. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XJ1V-9JZ I am not related and have no further information. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Hello from South Dakota. I received this info from Rose Fatland Toupal, the aunt of the young man I originally talked to. Her parents were Guy and Mary Fatland, who lived here in Kimball, SD. Does this information move things in the right direction? I’m trying to convince Rose to join the group, but I guess for now, I’ll be a go-between. Please advise what other info is needed. Thank you in advance of any help you can give she and Justin. Steve From: Rose Toupal Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 12:04 PM To: snatvig@midstatesd.net Subject: Fatland genealogy Hello again , Found the material. I do not know how to scan and send so here goes. My great-grandparents : Brit Oliver Fatland Born 1852--- Died 1933 Married Elsa Serina Berhow Born 1857---Died 1938 Children Cora b.1875 Oscar b. 1877 William b.1878 ( My grandfather) Nettie b.1881 Nora b. 1887 Henrietta b. 1886 Vida b. 1889 Evelyn b.1891 Elsie b. 1893 Ernest b. 1895 Thelma b. 1899 Wow that's a lot of children. It says that my Granddad also married a Berhow. Interesting . I have a booklet FARM AND FAMILY HISTORY OF FATLAND . (TRANSLATED FROM NORWEIGIAN BY SVENN-ERIK MAMELUND) in the fall of 2001. It is many pages I can make copies and snail mail. Running late, talk later. Rose --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Steve, It would be good to know where both Brit Oliver Fatland and Elsa Serina Berhow were born and died, in specific terms. That info is probably in the translated book she has. I'm assuming, but could be wrong, that they were both b. in Norway and at some point emigrated and d. in the US. Would also be useful to know where their children were b. The children's names sound American, not Norwegian. They may be Americanized Norwegian names. Rose says Brit Fatland was also married to a Berhow, but Elsa's name was Berhow, so unless Elsa died and he married another woman with the same name, probably a sister or cousin, that's probably a duplicate name. I'm partly interested because of my own Fatland family, of course. One of my Fatlands, who emigrated with her parents in 1875, also had the middle name of Serina. Don't know if that means anything at all. This is a good start, with some fill in information. Doris On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 11:01 AM, Steve via <norway@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hello from South Dakota. I received this info from Rose Fatland Toupal, > the aunt of the young man I originally talked to. Her parents were Guy and > Mary Fatland, who lived here in Kimball, SD. > > Does this information move things in the right direction? I’m trying to > convince Rose to join the group, but I guess for now, I’ll be a > go-between. Please advise what other info is needed. > > Thank you in advance of any help you can give she and Justin. > > Steve > > From: Rose Toupal > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 12:04 PM > To: snatvig@midstatesd.net > Subject: Fatland genealogy > > Hello again , Found the material. I do not know how to scan and send so > here goes. > > My great-grandparents : Brit Oliver Fatland Born 1852--- Died 1933 > Married Elsa Serina Berhow Born 1857---Died 1938 > Children > Cora b.1875 > Oscar b. 1877 > William b.1878 > ( My grandfather) > Nettie b.1881 > Nora b. 1887 > Henrietta b. 1886 > Vida b. 1889 > Evelyn b.1891 > Elsie b. 1893 > Ernest b. 1895 > Thelma b. 1899 > > > > Wow that's a lot of children. It says that my Granddad also married a > Berhow. Interesting . I have a booklet > FARM AND FAMILY HISTORY OF FATLAND . (TRANSLATED FROM NORWEIGIAN BY > SVENN-ERIK MAMELUND) > in the fall of 2001. It is many pages I can make copies and snail mail. > Running late, talk later. Rose > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > Norwaylist Archiveshttp:// > archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am a volunteer at the Dunn Co. WI(Menomonie) Genealogical Society. If I can be of help in the Trinko Family search Please send a message to Dunngens@yahoo.com with your Query and maybe I can be of help. June in the Library. Sent from Windows Mail

What did you find in Trondheim? The link with Simon Olaus baptism record id from Øksnes 1830. The record from Trondheim is 1833. Lisbeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "EDWARD A SCRIVEN via" <norway@rootsweb.com> To: <norway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 5:20 PM Subject: [NOR] Can;t read a place name Hi, everyone. I found a birth/christening record in the Cathedral in Trondheim, but I can't read the place of birth after the father's name. It is the very 1st entry on the left for Simon Olaus Røst Vanvich (usually written Wanvig). Thanks. Source information: Nordland county, Øksnes, Parish register (official) nr. 893A04 (1820-1840), Birth and baptism records 1828-1830, page 70-71. Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=2332&idx_id=2332&uid=ny&idx_side=-37Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20071108630479.jpg Edward A. Scriven Layton, Utah Always be Happy!! Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

For those doing research in Oregon.... FYI, the link Greg sent is to a web site called Oregon Historical Newspapers. http://oregonnews.uoregon.edu/ It functions like the Library of Congress historical newspaper site (is probably connected on that other site like MHS & LOC are connected on a separate site; I haven't checked yet but the search engine is similar). I just found a death notice in one of the Oregon papers for my Danish gr-gr-grandmother - in which the one elusive son is mentioned (Ha! I'll get him yet!), so I'm rather excited about it all. I have more searches to do on the other son mentioned, too, now that I have the newspaper web site! Mange Tusen Takk, Greg!!! In helping someone else, you've also helped me! :-) Bev ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Hanson via <norway@rootsweb.com> To: norway list <norway@rootsweb.com> Cc: Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [NOR] Civil War vet. & Gold miner Andrew Groves of Baker Co., OR (1847-1935) - a colorful person! - who was his wife? Here's another article about the horse case. http://tinyurl.com/n2zeukb

Dear Listers! For more than 30 years I have tried to find out what happened to my own cousin Ingeborg Oyane "Owens" Schuster (1844-1904)'s two sons, Pete (1865) and Mike (1876) after I heard this story about them when visiting Creighton, NE in 1982. Maybe now with so many NEWSPAPERS online is it possible to find additional information? Ingeborg Pedersdotter Oyane - Americanized to Owens - was born in Luster Co., Norway Aiug. 4, 1844 and emigrated with her parents in 1860 to Crawford Co., WI. She married a Prussian Theodore Schuster - sometimes spelt Shuster - at Lansing, IA July 6, 1864, and they farmed for a number of years in the Minnesota Slough in Houston Co., MN removing about 1977 to Creighton, Knox Co., NE. Ingeborg "Emily" Schuster died at Bloomfield, NE Aug. 12, 1904, while her husband Theodore Schuster had died at Creighton, NE Mar. 20, 1904. Among their 12 children were also these two sons: * John Peter aka Pete Schuster (or Shuster), born in Houston Co., MN Oct. 9, 1865, left home in the late 1880's and wasn't heard from for years until someone came to visit one of his brothers in Creighton, NE in the spring of 1915. As the story goes, Pete had been a miner at Rifle, Garfield Co., CO where he died under "mysterious" circumstances in February of 1915, and the visitor brought with him a few belongings of Pete's! * John Michael aka Mike Schuster (or Shuster), born in Houston Co., MN July 6, 1876, is said to have left home in the 1890's to seek his "fortune" in Montana. Now, as the story goes about him, he got involved with some horse business in Montana and was accused for having stolen these horses, upon which he was "lynched". Noone seems to know when this happened, but it must have been in the late 1890's or very early 1900's! The source of this information was a grandson of their brother Christopher's, who had heard the stories from his father or possibly grandfather (Christopher Schuster died in 1942). I question myself whether he may have "mixed up" the two brothers, but if so, I am convinced there has to be some records about these events, at least in local newspapers? I have found no trace of these guys in the census records! Thanks a million for any suggestions in regard to tracing cousins Pete and Mike! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane

This is the burial of a child in Øksnes parish in Nordland in 1831. It is entry #8 in the male list. Am I reading this correctly? I think the child died 28 June, was buried Tuesday the 5th of July. Information is Johan Wanvicks male child of Voje (I think it is now written Våje), home baptized and called or named Ole Tonagen, aged 1 month and 5 days. What is the word before hjemmedaaben? Source information: Nordland county, Øksnes, Parish register (official) nr. 893A04 (1820-1840), Death and burial records 1831-1832, page 222-223. Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16732&idx_id=16732&uid=ny&idx_side=-110Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20071108630552.jpg Thanks. Edward A. Scriven Layton, Utah Always be Happy!!

There was a lot of discrimination toward the indians back then. I wouldn't be surprised if he was as guilty as he could be and got off because the horses belonged to the indians. About my previous email, Harney County would be the next county south of Malheur. Leslie Quist ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Erickson via" <norway@rootsweb.com> To: <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no>; <norway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 7:25 AM Subject: Re: [NOR] Civil War vet. & Gold miner Andrew Groves of Baker Co.,OR (1847-1935) - a colorful person! - who was his wife? > The daily morning Astorian. (Astoria, Or.) 1883-1899, October 30, 1895, > Image 1 > > Andrew A. Groves was tried and acquitted at Pendleton on Friday on a > charge of killing > Indian cayuses and feeding them to his hogs. Much has been written about > this case, > but the evidence did not convince the jury as to Groves’ guilt. Judge > Lovell presided. > > Cayuse is an archaic term used in the American West, usually referring to > a feral > or low-quality horse or pony. > > Here’s a link to the article. > http://tinyurl.com/krhvvny > > Here’s another article with him buying and selling land. > Malheur enterprise. (Vale, Or.) 1909-current, February 01, 1913, Image 3 > http://tinyurl.com/lvbrpdm > > Mining claims are held by the Bureau of Land Management. He bought 158.50 > acres > on the 13th of October 1891 in Malheur County, Oregon. > Here’s a link to the Land Patent.. > http://tinyurl.com/mvtrrqk > > On the 8th of June 1926 he sold his lots in sections 3 and 4 to SPURLOCK, > ALVIN C. > Here’s a 1935 plat map that shows where the land is located. At the top of > the page you can see that Alvin Spurlock still owns the land. > http://tinyurl.com/lwkd4p3 > Norwaylist > Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

My father was born in 1900 and raised in Drewsey, OR, which is in Harney County. The Malheur river ran right by the house my grandfather built in the late 1800s. You might get some information about that area by contacting the Harney County Library, the Western History Room. This is findable on Google. They were very helpful to me in finding information. Leslie Quist ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lars E. Oyane via" <norway@rootsweb.com> To: <norway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [NOR] Civil War vet. & Gold miner Andrew Groves of Baker Co.,OR (1847-1935) - a colorful person! - who was his wife? Dear Mark, Greg, Jostein and other Listers! I am having a great time reading these old "episodes" from the "Wild West" involving Andrew Groves, and I wish to thank you very very much for giving me such a wonderful image of this old Norwegian "character"! Boy, were those days...! And it isn't really that long ago! >From what I understand Andrew Groves must at one time been a hog farmer out >in that area, maybe in Malheur Co., OR(?), before settling on the claim in >Baker Co., OR. But, as far as I can ascertain, he was not yet there in >1880, and I wonder whether he may be identical to a 30 year old farm >laborer Andrew Groves residing 1880 on the farm of an Irishman in Washoe >Co., NV, which wouldn't be that far away. It says he was born in Michigan, >but I guess they didn't pay much attention to that kind of information in >the "Wild West". Thanks again for this wonderful information. Now of course I hope that something can also be found regarding Andrew Groves' wife, Clara Ryan and her 1st husband in Montrose, CO...? Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane

Here's another article about the horse case. http://tinyurl.com/n2zeukb > Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 09:25:37 -0500 > To: lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no; norway@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NOR] Civil War vet. & Gold miner Andrew Groves of Baker Co., OR (1847-1935) - a colorful person! - who was his wife? > From: norway@rootsweb.com > > The daily morning Astorian. (Astoria, Or.) 1883-1899, October 30, 1895, Image 1 > > Andrew A. Groves was tried and acquitted at Pendleton on Friday on a charge of killing > Indian cayuses and feeding them to his hogs. Much has been written about this case, > but the evidence did not convince the jury as to Groves’ guilt. Judge Lovell presided. > > Cayuse is an archaic term used in the American West, usually referring to a feral > or low-quality horse or pony. > > Here’s a link to the article. > http://tinyurl.com/krhvvny > > Here’s another article with him buying and selling land. > Malheur enterprise. (Vale, Or.) 1909-current, February 01, 1913, Image 3 > http://tinyurl.com/lvbrpdm > > Mining claims are held by the Bureau of Land Management. He bought 158.50 acres > on the 13th of October 1891 in Malheur County, Oregon. > Here’s a link to the Land Patent.. > http://tinyurl.com/mvtrrqk > > On the 8th of June 1926 he sold his lots in sections 3 and 4 to SPURLOCK, ALVIN C. > Here’s a 1935 plat map that shows where the land is located. At the top of the page you can see that Alvin Spurlock still owns the land. > http://tinyurl.com/lwkd4p3 > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Mark, Greg, Jostein and other Listers! I am having a great time reading these old "episodes" from the "Wild West" involving Andrew Groves, and I wish to thank you very very much for giving me such a wonderful image of this old Norwegian "character"! Boy, were those days...! And it isn't really that long ago! From what I understand Andrew Groves must at one time been a hog farmer out in that area, maybe in Malheur Co., OR(?), before settling on the claim in Baker Co., OR. But, as far as I can ascertain, he was not yet there in 1880, and I wonder whether he may be identical to a 30 year old farm laborer Andrew Groves residing 1880 on the farm of an Irishman in Washoe Co., NV, which wouldn't be that far away. It says he was born in Michigan, but I guess they didn't pay much attention to that kind of information in the "Wild West". Thanks again for this wonderful information. Now of course I hope that something can also be found regarding Andrew Groves' wife, Clara Ryan and her 1st husband in Montrose, CO...? Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Mar 16, 2015, at 11:14 AM, Mark Erickson via wrote: > Mining and Scientific Press, Volume 90; page 175 > 18 March 1905 > Baker County, Oregon > Below the Cavin placers A. A. Groves has drifted on his placers and will operate a giant this season. > > Drift mining was used extensively to mine placer deposits. He basically switched from surface mining > to digging a hole into the side of the mountain. He must have thought he was on top of a good claim. > > > Here’s another “wild west” bit of information. 1899 State Scalp Bounty Fund > Warrants issued in payment for bounty on coyote, wildcat, mountain lion, panther or > cougar, or grey wolf or timber wolf scalps. > 28 Sept 1899 A.A. Groves paid. (no amount listed) Warrant number 5215 > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway Andrew A. GROVES, also known as Andrew GROVE, son of 1845 emigrants from Hafslo parish, Luster Co., Norway, Andrew and Martha GROV, was born in Dane Co., WI Apr. 16, 1847. He entered the Civil War and was stationed in Kansas at the end of the War. Exactly when he "went west" is unknown, but he ended up mining for gold in Baker Co., OR. He had a claim in Cleary precinct, Baker Co., OR, but retired about 1915 moving into Baker City, OR. Relatives in Iowa who remembered Andrew, told me years ago that Andrew once had visited back "east", and he was quite a "character" with the mouth full of gold and a fairly "goldy" complexion in every way, wearing a huge thick fur coat full of gold buttons etc. At the ripe age of 80, on July 7, 1927, he was married at Vancouver, WA to Mrs. Clara A. RYAN, nee LAND, born in NY, possibly New York City, NY, about February of 1864. She had been married 1st time at Montrose, CO on Dec. 25, 1890 to Charles M. RYAN, born in Dutchess Co., NY about February of 1855 or 1857. He was a salesman and was in 1920 called a "state brace inspector" in live stock (whatever that was for a profession?). Charles and Clara mostly resided at Montrose, Montrose Co., CO where Charles died in 1925. How Clara ended up marrying Andrew Groves two years later is for me an "enigma", and the marriage didn't last very long either. Their final divorce decree was signed in Baker City, OR on Nov. 7, 1929, but in his will written that same year Andrew willed one dollar to "his dear ex-wife Clara"! Andrew remained in Baker City, OR where he died Apr. 24, 1935. Clara apparently moved back to Montrose, CO where he only son Archibald Sedgwick Ryan (1894-1955) still r! esided, and she died in 1933. Then to my questions: * Is it possible to find any information telling us approximately WHEN Andrew Grove(s) settled on his gold mine in Baker Co., OR? Maybe newspaper articles? * Then I am looking for specific dates (both birth and death) for Clara Land Ryan (Groves) (1864-1933) as well as for her 1st husband Charles M. Ryan (1857-1925)? Maybe newspaper items can be located from Colorado about them?

Mining and Scientific Press, Volume 90; page 175 18 March 1905 Baker County, Oregon Below the Cavin placers A. A. Groves has drifted on his placers and will operate a giant this season. Drift mining was used extensively to mine placer deposits. He basically switched from surface mining to digging a hole into the side of the mountain. He must have thought he was on top of a good claim. Here’s another “wild west” bit of information. 1899 State Scalp Bounty Fund Warrants issued in payment for bounty on coyote, wildcat, mountain lion, panther or cougar, or grey wolf or timber wolf scalps. 28 Sept 1899 A.A. Groves paid. (no amount listed) Warrant number 5215

Hi, everyone. I found a birth/christening record in the Cathedral in Trondheim, but I can't read the place of birth after the father's name. It is the very 1st entry on the left for Simon Olaus Røst Vanvich (usually written Wanvig). Thanks. Source information: Nordland county, Øksnes, Parish register (official) nr. 893A04 (1820-1840), Birth and baptism records 1828-1830, page 70-71. Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=2332&idx_id=2332&uid=ny&idx_side=-37Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20071108630479.jpg Edward A. Scriven Layton, Utah Always be Happy!!