I am searching for the birth and parents of Hanna Edea Karlsdatter. She is the mother of an illegitimate daughter Adolfine Petrine BLIX, born 1 September 1879 in Vikjord, Nordland, and christened in Borge, Nordland, 19 October 1879. She also had another illegitimate child with a different man in Vikjord in 1882. Neither entry gives a clue about her birth, and she is only named Hanna Karlsdatter in both entries. Using census records I have found in 1865 a Hanna Edea Karlsdatter in Vikjord in Borge as a 10 year old serving girl in the home of Hans Jakobsen. In 1875 there is a Hanna Carlsen in Valberg in Borge in the home of Peder Ellingsen. It says she was born 1856 in Valberg B and is a maid. There is a Hendrikke Leonora Eddia Carlsdatter born in Kartfjord 23 June 1856 and christened in Valberg (also listed on Borge parish) 10 August 1856, daughter of Carl Olsen and Dorthea Elliasdatter. She is confirmed in 1875 I believe it was. There is a Hanna Karlsdatter married to Petter Martinussen on the 1910 census in Steinbakken in Borge born 24 Jun 1855 in Borge. That is off by a year and a day for the Hendrikke born in Kartfjord, and she has the middle name of Eddia when she was christened similar to the Edea on the 1865 Census mentioned. I can't decide which ones might be correct for the Hanna Karlsdatter I am seeking. Any other possibilities, insights, or suggestions? Edward A. Scriven Layton, Utah Always be Happy!!

Hello Bev, I had already thanked Catherine Stallybrass last night and just now sent her the link to the newspaper and the translation we have done so far. I now have a general idea of the content but would like to find the outcome of the court case if possible. This means more research for me. As it was in a Hamburg newspaper I didn't want to bore everyone on the list. Thank you again for your kind thoughts. Sincerely, Elizabeth On 2/06/2015 6:07 PM, Bev Anderson via wrote: > Hi Elizabeth - > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/NORWAY/2015-06/1433152664 > > While I appreciate your thanks, it was Catherine Stallybrass who has the educational background to give you the extensive and accurate explanation, and she's the one to whom your gratitude should be directed. I've had no background in Latin, so only have Latin info& explanations for other things from old history books, online translating programs, or info gleaned via genealogy research. > > Ergo, I'm passing this on to Catherine.... :-) > > Beste hilsen, > Bev > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Elizabeth<aliens@bigpond.net.au> > To: Bev Anderson<bevgand@yahoo.com>; norway@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 9:12 PM > Subject: Re: [NOR] Need help with German& Latin Translation please > > Hello Bev, > > Thanks again for your imput, we do have several Latin& German > dictionaries but the problem is how to work out the exact legal meaning > in this public announcement in the newspaper in 1828. > > As usual Google translate gives a crazy translation of the text so I > can't use this information unless it has been translated by someone with > experience in such matters. > > I have researched similar court documents in English and they can be > very difficult to follow at times. > > I had hoped someone on the list may have had experience in this research > as we have so many talented people here. > > Great to hear from you again, > > Elizabeth > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Are there any list members from British Columbia? I am wondering how I might search for/obtain a 1979 obit from Terrace. Thanks, Garth

You said the 1910 census of Wayne township, Mitchell Co., IA shows: HERMANSON, Peter 58 single Nor Nor Nor farmer emigrated 1868 HERMANSON, Carrie 81 widowed Nor Nor Nor mother emigrated 1868 She was the widow of Herman Peterson, so this looks like your missing Carrie. Name: Carie Peterson Event Type: Death Event Date: 15 Dec 1910 Event Place: Wayne, Mitchell, Iowa, United States Age: 82 Birth Year (Estimated): 1828 Father's Name: Peter Thomspon Mother's Name: C Peterson https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVMN-4KQH <https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVMN-4KQH> -Mark

Dear Annette and other Listers! Thank you very much, Annette, for your latest comments on Herman Peterson. It is interesting to see there was indeed a pension application for Herman, so we know he was married at the time he died in the Civil War, so I must just assume we have found the "right" Herman! In the meantime Carrie's death record has also appeared, on FamilySearch: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Carie Peterson Iowa, County Death Records Name: Carie Peterson Event Type: Death Event Date: 15 Dec 1910 Event Place: Wayne, Mitchell, Iowa, United States Age: 82 Birth Year (Estimated): 1828 Father's Name: Peter Thomspon Mother's Name: C Peterson ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The mother's name is wrong; her name was actually Anna Knutsdotter, but all of the other details "match", her age, place of residence and father's name, so I am sure she's the right one! So, now it remains to identify Martin Hermanson, Bessie's 1st husband! Any chance he can be identified? Thanks again for your wonderful assistance in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Jun 2, 2015, at 11:25 AM, Annette Bowen wrote: > Lars, > Fold3.com has an index card for a Pension Application for Peterson, > Herman, Co. B, 15 Reg't, Wis. Inf. Date of Filing 1887 June 28, Class > Widow, Application number 357345, Certificate number 257599. That is > all the information on the card. It doesn't give the widow's name. > (Other Class designations were Invalid and Minor.) The applications > are not online. > > This is from the Pioneer Brigade online article. > http://www.thecivilwargroup.com/pioneer.html > > "The remainder of the Pioneer Brigade remained intact even after their > numbers were drained with the first re-elistments into the First USVVE > in June 1864. It was already significantly reduced in numbers in May > 1864 and then folded into the existing engineering units in the > Military Division of the Mississippi under Captain Merrill. By that > time it retained 1000 men for the construction of works in > Chattanooga." > > Maybe Herman was one of those retained in Chattanooga. There were > definitely army hospitals in Chattanooga. > > On 6/2/15, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: >> Dear Annette and other Listers! >> >> Thank you very much, Annette, for your latest comment on my Herman Peterson >> problem! >> >> So, I believe also we may assume there was just one Herman Peterson at >> Chattanooga, TN. But he apparently wasn't killed "in action". Somewhere it >> says he died from disease, as did numerous other soldiers at the same time >> and the same place! According to Wikipedia, the last of three battles at >> Chattanooga, TN took place in November of 1863! Could it be they had an >> army hospital at Chattanooga, TN? >> >> After all of this it remains to find evidence that his widow Kari, later >> known as Carrie Hermanson, indeed did apply for pension, and also I am still >> missing her date and place of death, which I presume must have been in >> Mitchell Co., IA some time between 1910 and 1920!? >> >> Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> On Jun 1, 2015, at 8:40 PM, Annette Bowen wrote: >> >>> I would guess that one of the two June dates is an error. There was >>> no Unit History for the Pioneer Corps on the nps site, but I found >>> this long article about it. >>> >>> http://www.thecivilwargroup.com/pioneer.html >>> >>> I browsed the fold3 service records and the index card for Hermand >>> Peterson, Co. D, 2nd Batt'n, Pioneer Brigade says "see also 15 Wis. >>> Inf." so apparently the same man served in both units. The index >>> cards give only soldier's name, rank and unit. Too bad he wasn't a >>> Confederate. Fold3 has muster, pay, hospital, and other records for >>> those units. >>> >>> This site tells what records exist, but I don't think they are online. >>> Most are on microfilm and some records are only on paper. >>> >>> http://www.archives.gov/research/military/civil-war/resources.html#union >>> >>> On 6/1/15, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: >>>> Dear Annette and other Listers! >>>> >>>> Thank you very much, Annette, for your latest messages! >>>> >>>> But now I am confused! We know there was a much younger Herman Peterson >>>> from Minnesota who took part in the Civil War, but he survived and lived >>>> even long after 1900. >>>> >>>> However, if I understand you, Annette, correctly, there were TWO Herman >>>> Petersons who were BOTH at Chattanooga, TN, one as a member of the >>>> Pioneer >>>> Corps and the other one a "real" soldier, one dying June 11, 1864 and >>>> the >>>> other one dying June 13, 1864? I am indeed confused... Were they both >>>> from >>>> Spring Prairie, WI? And how old was the other one? >>>> >>>> Thanks again for clearing me up on this topic! >>>> >>>> Very sincerely yours. >>>> >>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>> >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>> >>>> On Jun 1, 2015, at 5:08 PM, Annette Bowen via wrote: >>>> >>>>> Findagrave has an entry for Herman Peterson in the Chattanooga >>>>> National Cemetery. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=2991020 >>>>> >>>>> On 6/1/15, Annette Bowen <annette.bowen@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> Lars, >>>>>> The Soldiers and Sailors database shows two soldiers named Herman >>>>>> Peterson. One is the man Greg found. The other was in the 15th >>>>>> Regiment, Wisconsin Infantry. Skimming the Battle Unit Details, this >>>>>> one seems more likely since they were at Chattanooga. >>>>>> http://www.nps.gov/civilwar/search-battle-units-detail.htm?battleUnitCode=UWI0015RI >>>>>> >>>>>> Fold3 has only an index card, showing that he was a private. >>>>>> >>>>>> Annette >>>>>> >>>> On Jun 1, 2015, at 4:58 PM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Greg and other Listers! >>>>> >>>>> Thank you very much, Greg, for sending me the information from the >>>>> vesterheim.org military database. >>>>> >>>>> I must admit, I am somewhat confused. The database on ancestry.com >>>>> shows >>>>> Herman Peterson died on June 13, 1864 at Chattanooga, TN, while >>>>> vesterheim.org shows June 11, 1864. What should we believe? Maybe a >>>>> NEWSPAPER NOTICE can help clear up this question? >>>>> >>>>> Another feature is Herman's age and civil status. I have this evening >>>>> located Herman Peterson's emigration record. He obtained his passport >>>>> in >>>>> Bergen in 1858 and must have left shortly thereafter. And being alone >>>>> in >>>>> the US, he may have "lied" about his age as well as about his civil >>>>> status!? And another fact, there is NOONE "matching" this Herman in >>>>> the >>>>> 1860 census, so he probably "lied" about his name as well... >>>>> >>>>> Maybe some additional evidence can be found if we can locate his >>>>> widow's >>>>> retirement application? Aren't there online records showing such >>>>> applications? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! >>>>> >>>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>>> >>>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>>> >>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 1, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Greg Hanson via wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The ages don't match, but this is the only Herman Peterson I could >>>>>> find >>>>>> who died at Chattanooga. The Pioneer Corps was like the current >>>>>> Combat >>>>>> Engineer corp in today's US Army. The build bridges, roads, >>>>>> fortifications, etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> WI 15th Inf Co B. Residence: Spring Prairie, Dane County, Wisconsin. >>>>>> Civil War: Age 28. Unmarried. Enlisted for three years on 31 Oct 1861 >>>>>> at >>>>>> Madison, Wisconsin, and mustered there on 16 Nov 1861. Private. Was in >>>>>> Pioneer Corps in November, 1862. Died of Disease at Chattanooga, >>>>>> Tennessee, 11 Jun 1864. Buried in National Cemetery, Chattanooga; >>>>>> section >>>>>> 6, grave 51. Sources: (WHS Series 1200 box 76-4; red book vol 20 p 34) >>>>>> (Buslett p396) (Ager p297) (RWV p809) >>>>>> >>>>>> http://vesterheim.org/collections/civil-war-database/p/pet/008732.html >>>>>> >>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 10:55:54 -0500 >>>>>>> To: norway@rootsweb.com >>>>>>> Subject: [NOR] Herman Peterson - victim of Chattanooga, TN June >>>>>>> 13, 1864 >>>>>>> - from Laerdal in Sogn? >>>>>>> From: norway@rootsweb.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Listers! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Laerdal bygdebook (vol. IV - p. 173) tells about: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hermund Pederson from Eri in Laerdal Co., Norway, born Feb. 20, 1825, >>>>>>> married in Laerdal Apr. 20, 1852 to Kari Pedersdotter Oye, born in >>>>>>> Lærdal July 5, 1828. The couple loved for a while at Laerdalsoyri in >>>>>>> Laerdal Co., Norway, but Hermund supposedly left for America at some >>>>>>> point and shall be identical to: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Herman Peterson, died in the battle of Chattanooga, TN June 13, 1864. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kari tried for years after to obtain widow's pension, and in 1868 she >>>>>>> emigrated with their only son: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * Peter Hermanson, born in Laerdal Dec. 27, 1851. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Peter's address was given in 1924 as LeRoy, Minnesota! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So far the Laerdal bygdebook. Then I have found this: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The 1910 census of Wayne township, Mitchell Co., IA shows: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> HERMANSON, Peter 58 single Nor Nor Nor farmer emigrated 1868 >>>>>>> HERMANSON, Carrie 81 widowed Nor Nor Nor mother emigrated 1868 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Checking further census records I find Peter and his mother at the >>>>>>> same >>>>>>> address already by 1880, but by 1920 Carrie was gone, and replaced by >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> wife: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Britha aka Bessie Hermanson nee Thompson, born in Dane Co., WI Dec. >>>>>>> 12, >>>>>>> 1866. Her parents (Henry Thompson and Christie Hanson) had both come >>>>>>> from Luster Co., Norway in 1863. Bessie had first been married in >>>>>>> Mower >>>>>>> Co., MN May 19, 1896 to one Martin Hermanson, born in Mitchell Co., >>>>>>> IA >>>>>>> about 1871, died in Mower Co., MN about 1899 (I have no further >>>>>>> details >>>>>>> about him!), and then she married Peter Hermanson in Mower Co., MN on >>>>>>> May 24, 1911. Peter died at New Hampton, IA June 22, 1935, while >>>>>>> Bessie >>>>>>> died at LeRoy, MN on June 1, 1946. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What I would like now to find out, are the following details: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ** When did Herman Peterson emigrate to the US? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ** Where did he reside prior to enlisting in the Civil War? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ** Date and place of death of Carrie Hermanson, his widow? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ** Can any further details be added on Martin Hermanson? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you very much in advance for your great assistance in this >>>>>>> matter! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Lars E. Oyane

:} On 6/2/2015 10:33 AM, Sid & Nadine Snider via wrote: > There used to a be a list of Murphys Law on the wall where I once worked. > On the top of the list was the statement Murphy was an optimist. > > Nadine > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Bev, Thanks again for your imput, we do have several Latin & German dictionaries but the problem is how to work out the exact legal meaning in this public announcement in the newspaper in 1828. As usual Google translate gives a crazy translation of the text so I can't use this information unless it has been translated by someone with experience in such matters. I have researched similar court documents in English and they can be very difficult to follow at times. I had hoped someone on the list may have had experience in this research as we have so many talented people here. Great to hear from you again, Elizabeth On 1/06/2015 11:32 AM, Bev Anderson via wrote: > > Latin to English Dictionary > http://latin-dictionary.net/ > > Google Translate Your phrases copied and pasted into Google Translate yielded these meanings [ in square brackets ]: > https://translate.google.com/ > Latin is not my area of expertise. I only know a very few things as it relates to my amateur interest in language (especially regarding genealogy research). From some of the results that came up while putting these terms through Google Translate, you need much more help in interpretation than my meager info. > > per Procuratorem implorande > [ by imploring agent ] > > cum beneficio legis et inventarii > [ and with the benefit of inventory ] > > ex capite hereditatis, vel crediti, vel tideinflionis, vel ex alio > [ born from the head of the estate, to be either believed or tideinflionis or from something else ] > > quocunque capite vel causa > [ Whatever the cause or ] > > in termino gratiose praefigendo > [ He graciously by prefixing the term ] > > pro termino unico et peremtorio > [ for a term of one and conclusive ] > > > > Beste, > Bev > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Elizabeth<aliens@bigpond.net.au> > To: Bev Anderson<bevgand@yahoo.com>; norway@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 6:58 PM > Subject: Re: [NOR] Need help with German& Latin Translation please > > Hello Bev, > > Many thanks for your reply, I tried putting the *Latin words* in bold > text but it didn't come through. > > So I have listed them, see below. > > > per Procuratorem implorande > cum beneficio legis et inventarii > > ex capite hereditatis, vel crediti, vel tideinflionis, vel ex alio > > quocunque capite vel causa > > in termino gratiose praefigendo > > pro termino unico et peremtorio > > We will keep working on it but it is very hard to put the whole > paragraph together. > > Both my Latin experts one here in Australia and another in Germany, > sadly are no longer with us and I feel as more information like this > becomes available online for researchers it needs legal experts to > translate the modern meaning. > > I do hope collectively we can sole this problem. > > Thank you again Bev, > > Regards, > > Elizabeth > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

> Lars, > > When reading this thread about your difficulty about finding the Vernon > Co. > probate records in the Murphy Law Library, I keep thinking about Murphy's > Law. Are you familiar with this American expression? Simply > stated--"Anything that can go wrong, will." More or less, that's what you > seem to be bumping up against here. It's looking like you need that local > volunteer to go through them one by one, not a simple task! If you're going to state Murphy's Law, you have to do it the right way. Murphy's Law: Anything that can go wrong, will, at the worst possible occasion. Many years ago, I created, in honor of my gr-gr-grandfather Michael Cunningham, Cunningham's Corollary: Murphy, was an Optimist. Brian

I can help here, a little. I've been to the courthouse, for adoption and estate records. They have an index. An index card file index. Some of the women that work there are very helpful. Some are not. Good luck. Viroqua is not in my list of places for this year. I may get up that way around Thanksgiving or Christmas, but have no current plans to do either. Otherwise, I'd offer to do whatever look up you need. I still have unresolved issues from my last visit to the courthouse. It's a frustrating place. Probably true everywhere in Wisconsin. All of my wife's brickwalls are from there. I will actually be in the region in July for a wedding, but I'm not sure I will have an opportunity to get to Viroqua. I had planned to stop at the family graveyard in Luck. Brian > Dear Listers! > > Just for a very limited time "Adam was in Paradise". I thought the Vernon > Co., WI probate records would be easy to research on film; however, I sent > an inquiry to Salt Lake City, UT about it, and here is the reply I have > just received: > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > I checked the index (film 1509137) which appears to cover only the listed > files and not the boxes. Einar Overboe was not list in the searched index > so I assume his probate file is in the boxes which I do not have an index > to. There are thirty-seven films which cover the boxes and there does not > appear to be any order for them nor an index. Unfortunately, I do not have > the time to search through that many films, I’m sorry. > > Perhaps, at the courthouse, they might have an “internal” index or a > faster way of accessing these records. >

There used to a be a list of Murphys Law on the wall where I once worked. On the top of the list was the statement Murphy was an optimist. Nadine --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Hi Elizabeth - http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/NORWAY/2015-06/1433152664 While I appreciate your thanks, it was Catherine Stallybrass who has the educational background to give you the extensive and accurate explanation, and she's the one to whom your gratitude should be directed. I've had no background in Latin, so only have Latin info & explanations for other things from old history books, online translating programs, or info gleaned via genealogy research. Ergo, I'm passing this on to Catherine.... :-) Beste hilsen, Bev ----- Original Message ----- From: Elizabeth <aliens@bigpond.net.au> To: Bev Anderson <bevgand@yahoo.com>; norway@rootsweb.com Cc: Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [NOR] Need help with German & Latin Translation please Hello Bev, Thanks again for your imput, we do have several Latin & German dictionaries but the problem is how to work out the exact legal meaning in this public announcement in the newspaper in 1828. As usual Google translate gives a crazy translation of the text so I can't use this information unless it has been translated by someone with experience in such matters. I have researched similar court documents in English and they can be very difficult to follow at times. I had hoped someone on the list may have had experience in this research as we have so many talented people here. Great to hear from you again, Elizabeth

Dear Annette and other Listers! Thank you very much, Annette, for your latest comment on my Herman Peterson problem! So, I believe also we may assume there was just one Herman Peterson at Chattanooga, TN. But he apparently wasn't killed "in action". Somewhere it says he died from disease, as did numerous other soldiers at the same time and the same place! According to Wikipedia, the last of three battles at Chattanooga, TN took place in November of 1863! Could it be they had an army hospital at Chattanooga, TN? After all of this it remains to find evidence that his widow Kari, later known as Carrie Hermanson, indeed did apply for pension, and also I am still missing her date and place of death, which I presume must have been in Mitchell Co., IA some time between 1910 and 1920!? Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Jun 1, 2015, at 8:40 PM, Annette Bowen wrote: > I would guess that one of the two June dates is an error. There was > no Unit History for the Pioneer Corps on the nps site, but I found > this long article about it. > > http://www.thecivilwargroup.com/pioneer.html > > I browsed the fold3 service records and the index card for Hermand > Peterson, Co. D, 2nd Batt'n, Pioneer Brigade says "see also 15 Wis. > Inf." so apparently the same man served in both units. The index > cards give only soldier's name, rank and unit. Too bad he wasn't a > Confederate. Fold3 has muster, pay, hospital, and other records for > those units. > > This site tells what records exist, but I don't think they are online. > Most are on microfilm and some records are only on paper. > > http://www.archives.gov/research/military/civil-war/resources.html#union > > On 6/1/15, Lars E. Oyane <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> wrote: >> Dear Annette and other Listers! >> >> Thank you very much, Annette, for your latest messages! >> >> But now I am confused! We know there was a much younger Herman Peterson >> from Minnesota who took part in the Civil War, but he survived and lived >> even long after 1900. >> >> However, if I understand you, Annette, correctly, there were TWO Herman >> Petersons who were BOTH at Chattanooga, TN, one as a member of the Pioneer >> Corps and the other one a "real" soldier, one dying June 11, 1864 and the >> other one dying June 13, 1864? I am indeed confused... Were they both from >> Spring Prairie, WI? And how old was the other one? >> >> Thanks again for clearing me up on this topic! >> >> Very sincerely yours. >> >> Lars E. Oyane >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> On Jun 1, 2015, at 5:08 PM, Annette Bowen via wrote: >> >>> Findagrave has an entry for Herman Peterson in the Chattanooga >>> National Cemetery. >>> >>> http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=2991020 >>> >>> On 6/1/15, Annette Bowen <annette.bowen@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Lars, >>>> The Soldiers and Sailors database shows two soldiers named Herman >>>> Peterson. One is the man Greg found. The other was in the 15th >>>> Regiment, Wisconsin Infantry. Skimming the Battle Unit Details, this >>>> one seems more likely since they were at Chattanooga. >>>> http://www.nps.gov/civilwar/search-battle-units-detail.htm?battleUnitCode=UWI0015RI >>>> >>>> Fold3 has only an index card, showing that he was a private. >>>> >>>> Annette >>>> >> On Jun 1, 2015, at 4:58 PM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: >> >>> Dear Greg and other Listers! >>> >>> Thank you very much, Greg, for sending me the information from the >>> vesterheim.org military database. >>> >>> I must admit, I am somewhat confused. The database on ancestry.com shows >>> Herman Peterson died on June 13, 1864 at Chattanooga, TN, while >>> vesterheim.org shows June 11, 1864. What should we believe? Maybe a >>> NEWSPAPER NOTICE can help clear up this question? >>> >>> Another feature is Herman's age and civil status. I have this evening >>> located Herman Peterson's emigration record. He obtained his passport in >>> Bergen in 1858 and must have left shortly thereafter. And being alone in >>> the US, he may have "lied" about his age as well as about his civil >>> status!? And another fact, there is NOONE "matching" this Herman in the >>> 1860 census, so he probably "lied" about his name as well... >>> >>> Maybe some additional evidence can be found if we can locate his widow's >>> retirement application? Aren't there online records showing such >>> applications? >>> >>> Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! >>> >>> Very sincerely yours, >>> >>> Lars E. Oyane >>> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>> On Jun 1, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Greg Hanson via wrote: >>> >>>> The ages don't match, but this is the only Herman Peterson I could find >>>> who died at Chattanooga. The Pioneer Corps was like the current Combat >>>> Engineer corp in today's US Army. The build bridges, roads, >>>> fortifications, etc. >>>> >>>> >>>> WI 15th Inf Co B. Residence: Spring Prairie, Dane County, Wisconsin. >>>> Civil War: Age 28. Unmarried. Enlisted for three years on 31 Oct 1861 at >>>> Madison, Wisconsin, and mustered there on 16 Nov 1861. Private. Was in >>>> Pioneer Corps in November, 1862. Died of Disease at Chattanooga, >>>> Tennessee, 11 Jun 1864. Buried in National Cemetery, Chattanooga; section >>>> 6, grave 51. Sources: (WHS Series 1200 box 76-4; red book vol 20 p 34) >>>> (Buslett p396) (Ager p297) (RWV p809) >>>> >>>> http://vesterheim.org/collections/civil-war-database/p/pet/008732.html >>>> >>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 10:55:54 -0500 >>>>> To: norway@rootsweb.com >>>>> Subject: [NOR] Herman Peterson - victim of Chattanooga, TN June 13, 1864 >>>>> - from Laerdal in Sogn? >>>>> From: norway@rootsweb.com >>>>> >>>>> Dear Listers! >>>>> >>>>> The Laerdal bygdebook (vol. IV - p. 173) tells about: >>>>> >>>>> Hermund Pederson from Eri in Laerdal Co., Norway, born Feb. 20, 1825, >>>>> married in Laerdal Apr. 20, 1852 to Kari Pedersdotter Oye, born in >>>>> Lærdal July 5, 1828. The couple loved for a while at Laerdalsoyri in >>>>> Laerdal Co., Norway, but Hermund supposedly left for America at some >>>>> point and shall be identical to: >>>>> >>>>> Herman Peterson, died in the battle of Chattanooga, TN June 13, 1864. >>>>> >>>>> Kari tried for years after to obtain widow's pension, and in 1868 she >>>>> emigrated with their only son: >>>>> >>>>> * Peter Hermanson, born in Laerdal Dec. 27, 1851. >>>>> >>>>> Peter's address was given in 1924 as LeRoy, Minnesota! >>>>> >>>>> So far the Laerdal bygdebook. Then I have found this: >>>>> >>>>> The 1910 census of Wayne township, Mitchell Co., IA shows: >>>>> >>>>> HERMANSON, Peter 58 single Nor Nor Nor farmer emigrated 1868 >>>>> HERMANSON, Carrie 81 widowed Nor Nor Nor mother emigrated 1868 >>>>> >>>>> Checking further census records I find Peter and his mother at the same >>>>> address already by 1880, but by 1920 Carrie was gone, and replaced by a >>>>> wife: >>>>> >>>>> Britha aka Bessie Hermanson nee Thompson, born in Dane Co., WI Dec. 12, >>>>> 1866. Her parents (Henry Thompson and Christie Hanson) had both come >>>>> from Luster Co., Norway in 1863. Bessie had first been married in Mower >>>>> Co., MN May 19, 1896 to one Martin Hermanson, born in Mitchell Co., IA >>>>> about 1871, died in Mower Co., MN about 1899 (I have no further details >>>>> about him!), and then she married Peter Hermanson in Mower Co., MN on >>>>> May 24, 1911. Peter died at New Hampton, IA June 22, 1935, while Bessie >>>>> died at LeRoy, MN on June 1, 1946. >>>>> >>>>> What I would like now to find out, are the following details: >>>>> >>>>> ** When did Herman Peterson emigrate to the US? >>>>> >>>>> ** Where did he reside prior to enlisting in the Civil War? >>>>> >>>>> ** Date and place of death of Carrie Hermanson, his widow? >>>>> >>>>> ** Can any further details be added on Martin Hermanson? >>>>> >>>>> Thank you very much in advance for your great assistance in this >>>>> matter! >>>>> >>>>> Very sincerely yours, >>>>> >>>>> Lars E. Oyane >>>> >> >>

Norwegian List helpers: Thank you Bev, thank you Mark, thanks to all for the help with my VIKUM Norwegians. I'm at work during the week, so it will take me some time to assimilate what you told me. Thanks for filling in many fuzzy spots. Thanks for showing me that it Peder's connection through his mother and gmother to Vang. I have my ESPEPETHs on my maternal gfather side and he descends from Vik, Sogn de Fjordane, so it is interesting to see Peder passing through the same area. thanks again, and I look forward to figuring out how Peder's gmother might fit in with my "own" Vang Kjos et al. Bob Denver CO

Dear Annette and other Listers! Thank you very much, Annette, for your latest messages! But now I am confused! We know there was a much younger Herman Peterson from Minnesota who took part in the Civil War, but he survived and lived even long after 1900. However, if I understand you, Annette, correctly, there were TWO Herman Petersons who were BOTH at Chattanooga, TN, one as a member of the Pioneer Corps and the other one a "real" soldier, one dying June 11, 1864 and the other one dying June 13, 1864? I am indeed confused... Were they both from Spring Prairie, WI? And how old was the other one? Thanks again for clearing me up on this topic! Very sincerely yours. Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Jun 1, 2015, at 5:08 PM, Annette Bowen via wrote: > Findagrave has an entry for Herman Peterson in the Chattanooga > National Cemetery. > > http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=2991020 > > On 6/1/15, Annette Bowen <annette.bowen@gmail.com> wrote: >> Lars, >> The Soldiers and Sailors database shows two soldiers named Herman >> Peterson. One is the man Greg found. The other was in the 15th >> Regiment, Wisconsin Infantry. Skimming the Battle Unit Details, this >> one seems more likely since they were at Chattanooga. >> http://www.nps.gov/civilwar/search-battle-units-detail.htm?battleUnitCode=UWI0015RI >> >> Fold3 has only an index card, showing that he was a private. >> >> Annette >> On Jun 1, 2015, at 4:58 PM, Lars E. Oyane via wrote: > Dear Greg and other Listers! > > Thank you very much, Greg, for sending me the information from the vesterheim.org military database. > > I must admit, I am somewhat confused. The database on ancestry.com shows Herman Peterson died on June 13, 1864 at Chattanooga, TN, while vesterheim.org shows June 11, 1864. What should we believe? Maybe a NEWSPAPER NOTICE can help clear up this question? > > Another feature is Herman's age and civil status. I have this evening located Herman Peterson's emigration record. He obtained his passport in Bergen in 1858 and must have left shortly thereafter. And being alone in the US, he may have "lied" about his age as well as about his civil status!? And another fact, there is NOONE "matching" this Herman in the 1860 census, so he probably "lied" about his name as well... > > Maybe some additional evidence can be found if we can locate his widow's retirement application? Aren't there online records showing such applications? > > Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On Jun 1, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Greg Hanson via wrote: > >> The ages don't match, but this is the only Herman Peterson I could find who died at Chattanooga. The Pioneer Corps was like the current Combat Engineer corp in today's US Army. The build bridges, roads, fortifications, etc. >> >> >> WI 15th Inf Co B. Residence: Spring Prairie, Dane County, Wisconsin. Civil War: Age 28. Unmarried. Enlisted for three years on 31 Oct 1861 at Madison, Wisconsin, and mustered there on 16 Nov 1861. Private. Was in Pioneer Corps in November, 1862. Died of Disease at Chattanooga, Tennessee, 11 Jun 1864. Buried in National Cemetery, Chattanooga; section 6, grave 51. Sources: (WHS Series 1200 box 76-4; red book vol 20 p 34) (Buslett p396) (Ager p297) (RWV p809) >> >> http://vesterheim.org/collections/civil-war-database/p/pet/008732.html >> >>> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 10:55:54 -0500 >>> To: norway@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [NOR] Herman Peterson - victim of Chattanooga, TN June 13, 1864 - from Laerdal in Sogn? >>> From: norway@rootsweb.com >>> >>> Dear Listers! >>> >>> The Laerdal bygdebook (vol. IV - p. 173) tells about: >>> >>> Hermund Pederson from Eri in Laerdal Co., Norway, born Feb. 20, 1825, married in Laerdal Apr. 20, 1852 to Kari Pedersdotter Oye, born in Lærdal July 5, 1828. The couple loved for a while at Laerdalsoyri in Laerdal Co., Norway, but Hermund supposedly left for America at some point and shall be identical to: >>> >>> Herman Peterson, died in the battle of Chattanooga, TN June 13, 1864. >>> >>> Kari tried for years after to obtain widow's pension, and in 1868 she emigrated with their only son: >>> >>> * Peter Hermanson, born in Laerdal Dec. 27, 1851. >>> >>> Peter's address was given in 1924 as LeRoy, Minnesota! >>> >>> So far the Laerdal bygdebook. Then I have found this: >>> >>> The 1910 census of Wayne township, Mitchell Co., IA shows: >>> >>> HERMANSON, Peter 58 single Nor Nor Nor farmer emigrated 1868 >>> HERMANSON, Carrie 81 widowed Nor Nor Nor mother emigrated 1868 >>> >>> Checking further census records I find Peter and his mother at the same address already by 1880, but by 1920 Carrie was gone, and replaced by a wife: >>> >>> Britha aka Bessie Hermanson nee Thompson, born in Dane Co., WI Dec. 12, 1866. Her parents (Henry Thompson and Christie Hanson) had both come from Luster Co., Norway in 1863. Bessie had first been married in Mower Co., MN May 19, 1896 to one Martin Hermanson, born in Mitchell Co., IA about 1871, died in Mower Co., MN about 1899 (I have no further details about him!), and then she married Peter Hermanson in Mower Co., MN on May 24, 1911. Peter died at New Hampton, IA June 22, 1935, while Bessie died at LeRoy, MN on June 1, 1946. >>> >>> What I would like now to find out, are the following details: >>> >>> ** When did Herman Peterson emigrate to the US? >>> >>> ** Where did he reside prior to enlisting in the Civil War? >>> >>> ** Date and place of death of Carrie Hermanson, his widow? >>> >>> ** Can any further details be added on Martin Hermanson? >>> >>> Thank you very much in advance for your great assistance in this matter! >>> >>> Very sincerely yours, >>> >>> Lars E. Oyane >>

The ages don't match, but this is the only Herman Peterson I could find who died at Chattanooga. The Pioneer Corps was like the current Combat Engineer corp in today's US Army. The build bridges, roads, fortifications, etc. WI 15th Inf Co B. Residence: Spring Prairie, Dane County, Wisconsin. Civil War: Age 28. Unmarried. Enlisted for three years on 31 Oct 1861 at Madison, Wisconsin, and mustered there on 16 Nov 1861. Private. Was in Pioneer Corps in November, 1862. Died of Disease at Chattanooga, Tennessee, 11 Jun 1864. Buried in National Cemetery, Chattanooga; section 6, grave 51. Sources: (WHS Series 1200 box 76-4; red book vol 20 p 34) (Buslett p396) (Ager p297) (RWV p809) http://vesterheim.org/collections/civil-war-database/p/pet/008732.html > Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 10:55:54 -0500 > To: norway@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NOR] Herman Peterson - victim of Chattanooga, TN June 13, 1864 - from Laerdal in Sogn? > From: norway@rootsweb.com > > Dear Listers! > > The Laerdal bygdebook (vol. IV - p. 173) tells about: > > Hermund Pederson from Eri in Laerdal Co., Norway, born Feb. 20, 1825, married in Laerdal Apr. 20, 1852 to Kari Pedersdotter Oye, born in Lærdal July 5, 1828. The couple loved for a while at Laerdalsoyri in Laerdal Co., Norway, but Hermund supposedly left for America at some point and shall be identical to: > > Herman Peterson, died in the battle of Chattanooga, TN June 13, 1864. > > Kari tried for years after to obtain widow's pension, and in 1868 she emigrated with their only son: > > * Peter Hermanson, born in Laerdal Dec. 27, 1851. > > Peter's address was given in 1924 as LeRoy, Minnesota! > > So far the Laerdal bygdebook. Then I have found this: > > The 1910 census of Wayne township, Mitchell Co., IA shows: > > HERMANSON, Peter 58 single Nor Nor Nor farmer emigrated 1868 > HERMANSON, Carrie 81 widowed Nor Nor Nor mother emigrated 1868 > > Checking further census records I find Peter and his mother at the same address already by 1880, but by 1920 Carrie was gone, and replaced by a wife: > > Britha aka Bessie Hermanson nee Thompson, born in Dane Co., WI Dec. 12, 1866. Her parents (Henry Thompson and Christie Hanson) had both come from Luster Co., Norway in 1863. Bessie had first been married in Mower Co., MN May 19, 1896 to one Martin Hermanson, born in Mitchell Co., IA about 1871, died in Mower Co., MN about 1899 (I have no further details about him!), and then she married Peter Hermanson in Mower Co., MN on May 24, 1911. Peter died at New Hampton, IA June 22, 1935, while Bessie died at LeRoy, MN on June 1, 1946. > > What I would like now to find out, are the following details: > > ** When did Herman Peterson emigrate to the US? > > ** Where did he reside prior to enlisting in the Civil War? > > ** Date and place of death of Carrie Hermanson, his widow? > > ** Can any further details be added on Martin Hermanson? > > Thank you very much in advance for your great assistance in this matter! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > > > > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Findagrave has an entry for Herman Peterson in the Chattanooga National Cemetery. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=2991020 On 6/1/15, Annette Bowen <annette.bowen@gmail.com> wrote: > Lars, > The Soldiers and Sailors database shows two soldiers named Herman > Peterson. One is the man Greg found. The other was in the 15th > Regiment, Wisconsin Infantry. Skimming the Battle Unit Details, this > one seems more likely since they were at Chattanooga. > http://www.nps.gov/civilwar/search-battle-units-detail.htm?battleUnitCode=UWI0015RI > > Fold3 has only an index card, showing that he was a private. > > Annette >

Lars, The Soldiers and Sailors database shows two soldiers named Herman Peterson. One is the man Greg found. The other was in the 15th Regiment, Wisconsin Infantry. Skimming the Battle Unit Details, this one seems more likely since they were at Chattanooga. http://www.nps.gov/civilwar/search-battle-units-detail.htm?battleUnitCode=UWI0015RI Fold3 has only an index card, showing that he was a private. Annette

Dear Greg and other Listers! Thank you very much, Greg, for sending me the information from the vesterheim.org military database. I must admit, I am somewhat confused. The database on ancestry.com shows Herman Peterson died on June 13, 1864 at Chattanooga, TN, while vesterheim.org shows June 11, 1864. What should we believe? Maybe a NEWSPAPER NOTICE can help clear up this question? Another feature is Herman's age and civil status. I have this evening located Herman Peterson's emigration record. He obtained his passport in Bergen in 1858 and must have left shortly thereafter. And being alone in the US, he may have "lied" about his age as well as about his civil status!? And another fact, there is NOONE "matching" this Herman in the 1860 census, so he probably "lied" about his name as well... Maybe some additional evidence can be found if we can locate his widow's retirement application? Aren't there online records showing such applications? Thanks again for your great assistance in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Jun 1, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Greg Hanson via wrote: > The ages don't match, but this is the only Herman Peterson I could find who died at Chattanooga. The Pioneer Corps was like the current Combat Engineer corp in today's US Army. The build bridges, roads, fortifications, etc. > > > WI 15th Inf Co B. Residence: Spring Prairie, Dane County, Wisconsin. Civil War: Age 28. Unmarried. Enlisted for three years on 31 Oct 1861 at Madison, Wisconsin, and mustered there on 16 Nov 1861. Private. Was in Pioneer Corps in November, 1862. Died of Disease at Chattanooga, Tennessee, 11 Jun 1864. Buried in National Cemetery, Chattanooga; section 6, grave 51. Sources: (WHS Series 1200 box 76-4; red book vol 20 p 34) (Buslett p396) (Ager p297) (RWV p809) > > http://vesterheim.org/collections/civil-war-database/p/pet/008732.html > >> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 10:55:54 -0500 >> To: norway@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [NOR] Herman Peterson - victim of Chattanooga, TN June 13, 1864 - from Laerdal in Sogn? >> From: norway@rootsweb.com >> >> Dear Listers! >> >> The Laerdal bygdebook (vol. IV - p. 173) tells about: >> >> Hermund Pederson from Eri in Laerdal Co., Norway, born Feb. 20, 1825, married in Laerdal Apr. 20, 1852 to Kari Pedersdotter Oye, born in Lærdal July 5, 1828. The couple loved for a while at Laerdalsoyri in Laerdal Co., Norway, but Hermund supposedly left for America at some point and shall be identical to: >> >> Herman Peterson, died in the battle of Chattanooga, TN June 13, 1864. >> >> Kari tried for years after to obtain widow's pension, and in 1868 she emigrated with their only son: >> >> * Peter Hermanson, born in Laerdal Dec. 27, 1851. >> >> Peter's address was given in 1924 as LeRoy, Minnesota! >> >> So far the Laerdal bygdebook. Then I have found this: >> >> The 1910 census of Wayne township, Mitchell Co., IA shows: >> >> HERMANSON, Peter 58 single Nor Nor Nor farmer emigrated 1868 >> HERMANSON, Carrie 81 widowed Nor Nor Nor mother emigrated 1868 >> >> Checking further census records I find Peter and his mother at the same address already by 1880, but by 1920 Carrie was gone, and replaced by a wife: >> >> Britha aka Bessie Hermanson nee Thompson, born in Dane Co., WI Dec. 12, 1866. Her parents (Henry Thompson and Christie Hanson) had both come from Luster Co., Norway in 1863. Bessie had first been married in Mower Co., MN May 19, 1896 to one Martin Hermanson, born in Mitchell Co., IA about 1871, died in Mower Co., MN about 1899 (I have no further details about him!), and then she married Peter Hermanson in Mower Co., MN on May 24, 1911. Peter died at New Hampton, IA June 22, 1935, while Bessie died at LeRoy, MN on June 1, 1946. >> >> What I would like now to find out, are the following details: >> >> ** When did Herman Peterson emigrate to the US? >> >> ** Where did he reside prior to enlisting in the Civil War? >> >> ** Date and place of death of Carrie Hermanson, his widow? >> >> ** Can any further details be added on Martin Hermanson? >> >> Thank you very much in advance for your great assistance in this matter! >> >> Very sincerely yours, >> >> Lars E. Oyane

lol Another good one,John.:} Barbara in MA On 6/1/2015 4:36 PM, John Ferman via wrote: > Lena had taken the car on a trip to the grocery store. A half hour later, she called home. > Ole answered the phone: > Lena: Hello Ole...its about da car. I got good news and some bad news. > Ole: Vell, tell me da good news first. > Lena: Da air bag vorks. > > Sent from my iPad > John Ferman > Minneapolis, MN > > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Many of my friends have wives' like that. NONE of them have had a mid-life crisis moments. (At least anything they would dare mention of) -----Original Message----- From: norway-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:norway-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Ferman via Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 9:28 PM To: Rootsweb Norway Subject: [NOR] Today's Joke Ole and Lars were talking about marriage, and Ole told Lars the following: When I was married 25 years, I took a look at Lena one day and said, "Honey, 25 years ago, ve had a cheap apartment, a cheap car, slept on a sofa bed and watched a 10-inch black and white TV, but I got to sleep every night vith a hot 25 year old blonde. Now, ve have a nice house, nice car, big bed and plasma screen TV, but I'm sleeping vith a 50 year old woman. It seems to me dat you are not holding up your side of tings." Lena is a very reasonable woman. She told me to go out and find a hot 25 year old blonde, and she would make sure that I would once again be living in a cheap apartment, driving a cheap car, sleeping on a sofa bed and watching a 10-inch black and white TV. Aren't older women great? They really know how to solve a mid-life crisis. Sent from my iPad John Ferman Minneapolis, MN Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NORWAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message