Going through the 1900 census I found a occupation I can’t find a good translation for, Could some one please translate “Meierske” for me…. Mange takk, Cliff M Sent from Mail for Windows 10

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I think the occupation word is Lodbruger (Lotbruger). A kind of farmer. Like a "Plassbruger" Reina -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- From: Bev Anderson Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 6:16 AM To: [email protected] ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] Translation help request for Sauland parish church record You found the correct pages of info, Don. I still can't decipher that (awful) handwriting. I did figure out Saudland is an older spelling of the modern Sauland in Hjartdal municipality (prestegjeld in the records we're dealing with), Telemark. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauland I tried to find the confirmation record, but didn't see one for this particular Anne Olsdatter and another person with bad handwriting was keeping the records. [If you check the census data as well as the written records, the Norwegian records use the spelling Olsdatter, not Olesdatter, so that's a FamilySearch transcriber assumption/error.] Bev On 3/26/2017 10:22 PM, Don Angevine wrote: > Bev, All, I found it . . . try this url . . . > https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/7799/39072/61 > Don in Maine USA > Norway Baptisms -- Anne Olesdatter > > Name > Anne Olesdatter > > Gender > Female > > Birth Date > 27 Jul 1853 > > Christening Date > 20 Aug 1853 > > Christening Place > HJARTDAL, TELEMARK, NORWAY > > Father's Name > Ole Johnsen > > Mother's Name > Kjerstie Olsdr > > Citing this Record: "Norway Baptisms, 1634-1927," database, > FamilySearch, > Anne Olesdatter, 27 Jul 1853; citing ; FHL microfilm 278,285. > https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N45P-NLK > > From: "Bev Anderson" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 8:58 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NOR] Translation help request for Sauland parish church > record > If you can re-find the record, send the Quick Link (what used to be > called the Permanent Pagelink)..., not the permanent imagelink which > only gets one the image without the all-important Source data one needs > for one's records, and doesn't allow one to magnify the image very far. > With the Quick Link or Permanent Pagelink we'd be able to see where the > image came from, possibly supplement a transcription and/or translation > with census or other data. Being able to magnify the image further > would enable us to perhaps understand the writing for Ole's occupation > and see for sure if the mother's name is Kjerstin or Kjersti. (I think > it's Kjerstin because there's a squiggle after the i, but I can't tell > for sure). > > It's Record 78 (not 76). > > Born 27 July 1833, Baptized 20 August 1833, Anne, legitimate birth. > Parents are ___ Ole Johnsen og [and] Kjerstin Olsdatter [who reside at] > Prestegaarden, Saudland. > > Anyone who can read this better, or know the location(s) in Norway that > are noted, please correct what I may have gotten wrong. > > Beste, > > Bev > > On 3/26/2017 7:19 PM, Darlene Steffens wrote: >> I am hoping that some kind soul can help me with the translation of the > 17 Jul 1853 birth record of Anne Olsdatter, line 76, whose parents were > Ole > Johnsen and Kjersti Olsdatter (possibly Kjerstin Olsdatter). In particular > I want to learn about her parents. What was her father's occupation? and > what is the word written after her mother's name? The permanent link is > http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20061129030065.jpg I receive > digested mailings from the Norway List; that may unintentionally delay my > response in a timely manner. Let me thank you for your willingness to > help. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Darlene Steffens >> >> Oregon coast >> > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am hoping that some kind soul can help me with the translation of the 17 Jul 1853 birth record of Anne Olsdatter, line 76, whose parents were Ole Johnsen and Kjersti Olsdatter (possibly Kjerstin Olsdatter). In particular I want to learn about her parents. What was her father's occupation? and what is the word written after her mother's name? The permanent link is http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20061129030065.jpg I receive digested mailings from the Norway List; that may unintentionally delay my response in a timely manner. Let me thank you for your willingness to help. Sincerely, Darlene Steffens Oregon coast

Bev, All, I found it . . . try this url . . . https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/7799/39072/61 Don in Maine USA Norway Baptisms -- Anne Olesdatter Name Anne Olesdatter Gender Female Birth Date 27 Jul 1853 Christening Date 20 Aug 1853 Christening Place HJARTDAL, TELEMARK, NORWAY Father's Name Ole Johnsen Mother's Name Kjerstie Olsdr Citing this Record: "Norway Baptisms, 1634-1927," database, FamilySearch, Anne Olesdatter, 27 Jul 1853; citing ; FHL microfilm 278,285. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N45P-NLK From: "Bev Anderson" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 8:58 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] Translation help request for Sauland parish church record If you can re-find the record, send the Quick Link (what used to be called the Permanent Pagelink)..., not the permanent imagelink which only gets one the image without the all-important Source data one needs for one's records, and doesn't allow one to magnify the image very far. With the Quick Link or Permanent Pagelink we'd be able to see where the image came from, possibly supplement a transcription and/or translation with census or other data. Being able to magnify the image further would enable us to perhaps understand the writing for Ole's occupation and see for sure if the mother's name is Kjerstin or Kjersti. (I think it's Kjerstin because there's a squiggle after the i, but I can't tell for sure). It's Record 78 (not 76). Born 27 July 1833, Baptized 20 August 1833, Anne, legitimate birth. Parents are ___ Ole Johnsen og [and] Kjerstin Olsdatter [who reside at] Prestegaarden, Saudland. Anyone who can read this better, or know the location(s) in Norway that are noted, please correct what I may have gotten wrong. Beste, Bev On 3/26/2017 7:19 PM, Darlene Steffens wrote: > I am hoping that some kind soul can help me with the translation of the 17 Jul 1853 birth record of Anne Olsdatter, line 76, whose parents were Ole Johnsen and Kjersti Olsdatter (possibly Kjerstin Olsdatter). In particular I want to learn about her parents. What was her father's occupation? and what is the word written after her mother's name? The permanent link is http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20061129030065.jpg I receive digested mailings from the Norway List; that may unintentionally delay my response in a timely manner. Let me thank you for your willingness to help. > > > Sincerely, > > Darlene Steffens > > Oregon coast > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You found the correct pages of info, Don. I still can't decipher that (awful) handwriting. I did figure out Saudland is an older spelling of the modern Sauland in Hjartdal municipality (prestegjeld in the records we're dealing with), Telemark. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauland I tried to find the confirmation record, but didn't see one for this particular Anne Olsdatter and another person with bad handwriting was keeping the records. [If you check the census data as well as the written records, the Norwegian records use the spelling Olsdatter, not Olesdatter, so that's a FamilySearch transcriber assumption/error.] Bev On 3/26/2017 10:22 PM, Don Angevine wrote: > Bev, All, I found it . . . try this url . . . > > https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/7799/39072/61 > > Don in Maine USA > > Norway Baptisms -- Anne Olesdatter > > Name > Anne Olesdatter > > Gender > Female > > Birth Date > 27 Jul 1853 > > Christening Date > 20 Aug 1853 > > Christening Place > HJARTDAL, TELEMARK, NORWAY > > Father's Name > Ole Johnsen > > Mother's Name > Kjerstie Olsdr > > Citing this Record: "Norway Baptisms, 1634-1927," database, FamilySearch, > Anne Olesdatter, 27 Jul 1853; citing ; FHL microfilm 278,285. > https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N45P-NLK > > > > From: "Bev Anderson" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 8:58 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NOR] Translation help request for Sauland parish church > record > If you can re-find the record, send the Quick Link (what used to be > called the Permanent Pagelink)..., not the permanent imagelink which > only gets one the image without the all-important Source data one needs > for one's records, and doesn't allow one to magnify the image very far. > With the Quick Link or Permanent Pagelink we'd be able to see where the > image came from, possibly supplement a transcription and/or translation > with census or other data. Being able to magnify the image further > would enable us to perhaps understand the writing for Ole's occupation > and see for sure if the mother's name is Kjerstin or Kjersti. (I think > it's Kjerstin because there's a squiggle after the i, but I can't tell > for sure). > > It's Record 78 (not 76). > > Born 27 July 1833, Baptized 20 August 1833, Anne, legitimate birth. > Parents are ___ Ole Johnsen og [and] Kjerstin Olsdatter [who reside at] > Prestegaarden, Saudland. > > Anyone who can read this better, or know the location(s) in Norway that > are noted, please correct what I may have gotten wrong. > > Beste, > > Bev > > On 3/26/2017 7:19 PM, Darlene Steffens wrote: >> I am hoping that some kind soul can help me with the translation of the > 17 Jul 1853 birth record of Anne Olsdatter, line 76, whose parents were Ole > Johnsen and Kjersti Olsdatter (possibly Kjerstin Olsdatter). In particular > I want to learn about her parents. What was her father's occupation? and > what is the word written after her mother's name? The permanent link is > http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20061129030065.jpg I receive > digested mailings from the Norway List; that may unintentionally delay my > response in a timely manner. Let me thank you for your willingness to > help. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Darlene Steffens >> >> Oregon coast >> >

If you can re-find the record, send the Quick Link (what used to be called the Permanent Pagelink)..., not the permanent imagelink which only gets one the image without the all-important Source data one needs for one's records, and doesn't allow one to magnify the image very far. With the Quick Link or Permanent Pagelink we'd be able to see where the image came from, possibly supplement a transcription and/or translation with census or other data. Being able to magnify the image further would enable us to perhaps understand the writing for Ole's occupation and see for sure if the mother's name is Kjerstin or Kjersti. (I think it's Kjerstin because there's a squiggle after the i, but I can't tell for sure). It's Record 78 (not 76). Born 27 July 1833, Baptized 20 August 1833, Anne, legitimate birth. Parents are ___ Ole Johnsen og [and] Kjerstin Olsdatter [who reside at] Prestegaarden, Saudland. Anyone who can read this better, or know the location(s) in Norway that are noted, please correct what I may have gotten wrong. Beste, Bev On 3/26/2017 7:19 PM, Darlene Steffens wrote: > I am hoping that some kind soul can help me with the translation of the 17 Jul 1853 birth record of Anne Olsdatter, line 76, whose parents were Ole Johnsen and Kjersti Olsdatter (possibly Kjerstin Olsdatter). In particular I want to learn about her parents. What was her father's occupation? and what is the word written after her mother's name? The permanent link is http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20061129030065.jpg I receive digested mailings from the Norway List; that may unintentionally delay my response in a timely manner. Let me thank you for your willingness to help. > > > Sincerely, > > Darlene Steffens > > Oregon coast >

I am looking for the written obit from the Mpls paper for: Walter P Anderson - born: 8 Nov 1903 died: 28 Sept 1984. He was a resident of Minneapolis. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you Jan

Ulykkestilfelle - means the same as ulykke = accident. Tilfelle (old spelling tilfælde) means case, occasion, incident. Hope this helps you! Ingrid Sendt frå paddå mi > Den 26. mar. 2017 kl. 08.45 skrev Bev Anderson <[email protected]>: > > I have a copy of a Minnesota Lutheran church record, death/burial section, so there's no link (altho I think the person I got it from got it on Ancestry?). I can send anyone the image if you want to look at it. The fellow who died is out on a twig of one of my family's branches; he married into the family. I know it's an accident of some sort, but I can't find the second word in Otto's dictionary. > > The cause of death is Ulykkes tilfolk or tilfolde. > > He died in North Dakota which is like the black hole of Calcutta for getting documents, so there's no chance of seeing the death certificate, and it's too far out on the twig to pay that much for the document. I'm going to ask a friend to get the obit from the MN paper from the local community so I'll find out more (but that won't be for a while yet), but I was going to put the church record transcription in this fellow's info in my genealogy database and found a Norwegian term I can't decipher. > > Mange takk in advance for any help in the translation of that second word! > >

It may be Ulykke til fods or accident while out walking. Anne -----Original Message----- From: NORWAY [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bev Anderson Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 8:46 AM To: Norway List <[email protected]> Subject: [NOR] Cause of death translation I have a copy of a Minnesota Lutheran church record, death/burial section, so there's no link (altho I think the person I got it from got it on Ancestry?). I can send anyone the image if you want to look at it. The fellow who died is out on a twig of one of my family's branches; he married into the family. I know it's an accident of some sort, but I can't find the second word in Otto's dictionary. The cause of death is Ulykkes tilfolk or tilfolde. He died in North Dakota which is like the black hole of Calcutta for getting documents, so there's no chance of seeing the death certificate, and it's too far out on the twig to pay that much for the document. I'm going to ask a friend to get the obit from the MN paper from the local community so I'll find out more (but that won't be for a while yet), but I was going to put the church record transcription in this fellow's info in my genealogy database and found a Norwegian term I can't decipher. Mange takk in advance for any help in the translation of that second word! Beste, Bev Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ingrid & Anne - Thank you so much! Yes, this all helps me a great deal. I went back to the image, enlarged it until the pixels nearly separated, and now I can see that what looks like the second word is, indeed, the old spelling tilfælde, so Ulykkestilfælde (with a split in the middle of the word). A great many years ago in the early 1990s I met an older man at one of the extended family reunions who was just a little boy when his father was killed in this accident, only I don't think he said what kind of accident. The father was a young man at the time, only 28 in 1915, so it had to have been an accident at work or on the journey to/from work; I don't know what kind of occupation he had. The young widow and her four very young children born during their five years of marriage went to live with her parents after her husband died. Again, your help is appreciated! :-) Bev On 3/26/2017 3:46 AM, Ingrid Kjønnøy wrote: > Ulykkestilfelle - means the same as ulykke = accident. > Tilfelle (old spelling tilfælde) means case, occasion, incident. > Hope this helps you! > Ingrid > > Sendt frå paddå mi > >> Den 26. mar. 2017 kl. 08.45 skrev Bev Anderson <[email protected]>: >> >> I have a copy of a Minnesota Lutheran church record, death/burial section, so there's no link (altho I think the person I got it from got it on Ancestry?). I can send anyone the image if you want to look at it. The fellow who died is out on a twig of one of my family's branches; he married into the family. I know it's an accident of some sort, but I can't find the second word in Otto's dictionary. >> >> The cause of death is Ulykkes tilfolk or tilfolde. >> >> He died in North Dakota which is like the black hole of Calcutta for getting documents, so there's no chance of seeing the death certificate, and it's too far out on the twig to pay that much for the document. I'm going to ask a friend to get the obit from the MN paper from the local community so I'll find out more (but that won't be for a while yet), but I was going to put the church record transcription in this fellow's info in my genealogy database and found a Norwegian term I can't decipher. >> >> Mange takk in advance for any help in the translation of that second word! >> >>

I have a copy of a Minnesota Lutheran church record, death/burial section, so there's no link (altho I think the person I got it from got it on Ancestry?). I can send anyone the image if you want to look at it. The fellow who died is out on a twig of one of my family's branches; he married into the family. I know it's an accident of some sort, but I can't find the second word in Otto's dictionary. The cause of death is Ulykkes tilfolk or tilfolde. He died in North Dakota which is like the black hole of Calcutta for getting documents, so there's no chance of seeing the death certificate, and it's too far out on the twig to pay that much for the document. I'm going to ask a friend to get the obit from the MN paper from the local community so I'll find out more (but that won't be for a while yet), but I was going to put the church record transcription in this fellow's info in my genealogy database and found a Norwegian term I can't decipher. Mange takk in advance for any help in the translation of that second word! Beste, Bev

I don't think you've offended anyone so much as confused us. It "seems like" you're working through US sources which may or may not be accurate. I think we've all had to puzzle through both unreliable (and reliable) obituaries, census, death (and other) records where the info was given by someone who didn't know the dead person and didn't know the correct answers to who the parents were or their places or dates of birth, or assumed patronymic or other names that were not correct when compared with Norwegian records (I've dealt with several of these cases). It's a slow plodding task, but one step at a time one finds the correct data and can thoroughly debunk and discard the incorrect data from unreliable sources (and human memory about events fifty or more years ago, or about what they were told about events that happened long before they were born, is usually the most unreliable). If you can get American church records from whatever (usually Lutheran) church they attended in the US as new immigrants, the info the minister would have in possible inflytting records might give you more answers. In my gr-grandparents' marriage record I notice the minister wrote in the parish and fylke they came from in the appropriate church book record. Most often these tangled pedigree lines come from American sources, but a few years ago I even dealt with one that came from a fifth cousin in Norway who tried to tell me an American visitor there was descended from the younger brother of my gr-grandfather. The American visitors had not done genealogy research, had not searched any documents anywhere; they had seen the name and leaped to a very wrong conclusion about where their one male ancestor came from and who he was, and just got on a plane and went to Norway without knowing any documented info about their ancestors, and with wrong info supplied to him from them, my fifth cousin leaped to the wrong conclusion, too. This was clearly a false assumption, even though the farm/surname adopted in America by the visitor's ancestor was the same (albeit the person they found was born on the opposite side of the Trondheimsfjord), and the immigrants didn't live too far away from where my Norwegian ancestors settled in America. The only connection to the farm name in Norway they had was that the bride (of their immigrant couple) was from the area, and the groom had gone to her home area to get married, and she was living at the other/south farm of the same name at the time (which was sold out of my family by then). Since I already knew my gr-grandfather's youngest brother died of typhus less than a year after he arrived here (and he died in his late teens, single, and without being a father), I knew the info could not be true, so between US data and Norwegian data, I managed to find the correct person (the date and location of birth and the patronym were totally different, too, which they hadn't investigated on that side of the pond), and even a couple of generations back in Norwegian records (bless the Norwegians for putting copies of original documents online that are easily accessible!). I offered to help the American visitor with further research and heard nothing more about it. [Of four offspring of my Norwegian immigrant gr-gr-grandparents who had all been born in Norway, two males died young, the female never married, and only my gr-grandfather married and had children.] I highly suspect the information Reina found at Hof, Vestfold may be the correct person you're looking for. The only way to know for sure is to check all the records - time consuming, but there's no way around it since there do not seem to be transcribed records for the birth/confirmation, utflytting or other records that may apply. Process of elimination, slow, but worth the effort if the results are conclusive. If it helps to narrow the search, the Hof, Vestfold Confirmation record (#11) for Olaus Christophersen on 14 January 1844 is here: SAKO, Hof kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0005: Parish register (official) no. I 5, 1844-1851, p. 201-202 https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20051024061113 Bev On 3/23/2017 9:40 PM, Virginia Lindsey wrote: > Sorry I did not mean to offend. The daughters information did not agree with > the mothers name nor did the birthdate. I will give them all of the > information and let them decide. I was just trying to clear things up and I > guess I made a mess. Very sorry. > Virginia > > -----Original Message----- > From: NORWAY [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Don Angevine > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 9:31 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud > > Then in the, "for what's worth department", I respectfully suggest that you > question the criteria you are using to "check it out". > > Two of our most experienced researchers on here have come to the same > conclusion, independently. I would trust their knowledge and experience for > the moment, and question thoroughly whatever it is you are using to > disqualify their suggestions. > > Don in Maine USA > > > ---------------------------------------- > From: "Virginia Lindsey" <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 11:35 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud > Thanks but that one does not check out. I just keep trying with no luck. > Virginia > > -----Original Message----- > From: NORWAY [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 12:09 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud > > Hello Virginia, > > The last time you asked this question I had answered you as follows: > > ..........I could not find a baptism in Hof parish in Hedmark in between > 1827-1829. > But in Hof parish, Vestfold county there was a baptism in 1828 of "an" > Olaus Christophersen born 23 July 1828 of the parents Christopher Olsen > Romseberg? (Rønneberg) + Berthe Taastensdr? > #21 > <https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8134/59> > > I would not know how we can check if this is the right Olavus Christophersen > b. 1828. > > Reina > > P.S. see here Norwaylist archives: > <http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/NORWAY/2017-02/1487163914> > > You wrote: > I have checked all the Hof-Hoff-Hofs parishes and cannot find Olaus. SO this > may be the end of the road for this search. > Virginia > > -----Original Message----- > From: NORWAY [mailto:norway-bounces+virginia= [email protected]] On > Behalf Of EDWARD A SCRIVEN > Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:52 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud > > To further confuse us with possibilities is that the census said he was from > Hoff Prgj., and there are 2 of them, 1 in Hedmark and 1 in Vestfold, but who > knows which parish. > > Edward A. Scriven > Layton, Utah > Always be Happy!! >

Hi DOn, Your post reminded me of my mother getting caught in that trap.:} She was an upper elementary school teacher, THe school subscribed to the Children's Museum and each month they would send out an expert and they would talk about about a subject. One of these visits involved a "chrysalis". The next morning one of her young students came in with an object that appeared like chrysalis and asked her what kind of insect it was. She looked at it and siad she didn't know but would try to find an answer for him. She had it on her desk all day and kept looking at it. THEN! she knew what it was. She lok it blamaced on the piece of paper to the Teacher's Rom and asked tem what likd of chrysalis it was. THey passed it around and looked at - no one knew. She took it back to the room and asked the boy where he found it, the lawn, do they have a dog? Yes!!!!:} THen she told him what it was - a dried up doggie-do.:} THat became a joke at our house for years and we warned each other about the power of suggestion. "The Chrysalis Trap". :} All the best. Take good care Barbara in MA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Angevine" <[email protected]> To: "norway" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 1:25:04 PM Subject: Re: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud Virginia, No apologies needed, you did not offend anyone . . . Among other things in my bag of tricks, I am a highly trained management consultant, and have often seen very bright people get stuck in a loop of their own thinking, and was simply suggesting a possible new strategy. As a matter of fact, I have not followed this thread very closely, and could very well have been out of place by commenting on it at all! I think Reina's very good remarks and suggestions here are on point . . . Have a great day, Don in Maine USA ---------------------------------------- From: [email protected] Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 4:26 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud Thank you Don and Virginia. Never mind. Scandnavian genealogy is not easy and in my opinion one can not say that the Olaus found baptised in 1828 in Hof, Hedmark, is not the right person without any further research. However that means following this person timeforwards: reading all the Hof churchrecords from 1828 untill 1865 to see if he might be married there or have died. And information from a bygdebok might be of help (I do not know) Only looking at outgoing records is not enough, because those records are not complete. But that includes a complete new research about another family and is a lot of work. I can imagine that you, Virginia, have the feeling that it makes no longer any sense and like to stop the research for this old lady. Back to 1801 census in Hof Hedmark (in which this Olaus b. 1828 and Berthe Taastensdr will be mentioned) is a good result. You can tell the lady that the results about Olaus and Berthe Taastensdr might be insecure and that it makes no sense to do further research before 1801. Good luck! Reina -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- From: Virginia Lindsey Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 3:40 AM To: [email protected] ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud Sorry I did not mean to offend. The daughters information did not agree with the mothers name nor did the birthdate. I will give them all of the information and let them decide. I was just trying to clear things up and I guess I made a mess. Very sorry. Virginia -----Original Message----- From: NORWAY [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Don Angevine Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 9:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud Then in the, "for what's worth department", I respectfully suggest that you question the criteria you are using to "check it out". Two of our most experienced researchers on here have come to the same conclusion, independently. I would trust their knowledge and experience for the moment, and question thoroughly whatever it is you are using to disqualify their suggestions. Don in Maine USA ---------------------------------------- From: "Virginia Lindsey" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 11:35 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud Thanks but that one does not check out. I just keep trying with no luck. Virginia -----Original Message----- From: NORWAY [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 12:09 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud Hello Virginia, The last time you asked this question I had answered you as follows: ..........I could not find a baptism in Hof parish in Hedmark in between 1827-1829. But in Hof parish, Vestfold county there was a baptism in 1828 of "an" Olaus Christophersen born 23 July 1828 of the parents Christopher Olsen Romseberg? (Rønneberg) + Berthe Taastensdr? #21 <https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8134/59> I would not know how we can check if this is the right Olavus Christophersen b. 1828. Reina P.S. see here Norwaylist archives: <http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/NORWAY/2017-02/1487163914> You wrote: I have checked all the Hof-Hoff-Hofs parishes and cannot find Olaus. SO this may be the end of the road for this search. Virginia -----Original Message----- From: NORWAY [mailto:norway-bounces+virginia= [email protected]] On Behalf Of EDWARD A SCRIVEN Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud To further confuse us with possibilities is that the census said he was from Hoff Prgj., and there are 2 of them, 1 in Hedmark and 1 in Vestfold, but who knows which parish. Edward A. Scriven Layton, Utah Always be Happy!! 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Virginia, No apologies needed, you did not offend anyone . . . Among other things in my bag of tricks, I am a highly trained management consultant, and have often seen very bright people get stuck in a loop of their own thinking, and was simply suggesting a possible new strategy. As a matter of fact, I have not followed this thread very closely, and could very well have been out of place by commenting on it at all! I think Reina's very good remarks and suggestions here are on point . . . Have a great day, Don in Maine USA ---------------------------------------- From: [email protected] Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 4:26 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud Thank you Don and Virginia. Never mind. Scandnavian genealogy is not easy and in my opinion one can not say that the Olaus found baptised in 1828 in Hof, Hedmark, is not the right person without any further research. However that means following this person timeforwards: reading all the Hof churchrecords from 1828 untill 1865 to see if he might be married there or have died. And information from a bygdebok might be of help (I do not know) Only looking at outgoing records is not enough, because those records are not complete. But that includes a complete new research about another family and is a lot of work. I can imagine that you, Virginia, have the feeling that it makes no longer any sense and like to stop the research for this old lady. Back to 1801 census in Hof Hedmark (in which this Olaus b. 1828 and Berthe Taastensdr will be mentioned) is a good result. You can tell the lady that the results about Olaus and Berthe Taastensdr might be insecure and that it makes no sense to do further research before 1801. Good luck! Reina -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- From: Virginia Lindsey Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 3:40 AM To: [email protected] ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud Sorry I did not mean to offend. The daughters information did not agree with the mothers name nor did the birthdate. I will give them all of the information and let them decide. I was just trying to clear things up and I guess I made a mess. Very sorry. Virginia -----Original Message----- From: NORWAY [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Don Angevine Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 9:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud Then in the, "for what's worth department", I respectfully suggest that you question the criteria you are using to "check it out". Two of our most experienced researchers on here have come to the same conclusion, independently. I would trust their knowledge and experience for the moment, and question thoroughly whatever it is you are using to disqualify their suggestions. Don in Maine USA ---------------------------------------- From: "Virginia Lindsey" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 11:35 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud Thanks but that one does not check out. I just keep trying with no luck. Virginia -----Original Message----- From: NORWAY [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 12:09 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud Hello Virginia, The last time you asked this question I had answered you as follows: ..........I could not find a baptism in Hof parish in Hedmark in between 1827-1829. But in Hof parish, Vestfold county there was a baptism in 1828 of "an" Olaus Christophersen born 23 July 1828 of the parents Christopher Olsen Romseberg? (Rønneberg) + Berthe Taastensdr? #21 <https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8134/59> I would not know how we can check if this is the right Olavus Christophersen b. 1828. Reina P.S. see here Norwaylist archives: <http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/NORWAY/2017-02/1487163914> You wrote: I have checked all the Hof-Hoff-Hofs parishes and cannot find Olaus. SO this may be the end of the road for this search. Virginia -----Original Message----- From: NORWAY [mailto:norway-bounces+virginia= [email protected]] On Behalf Of EDWARD A SCRIVEN Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud To further confuse us with possibilities is that the census said he was from Hoff Prgj., and there are 2 of them, 1 in Hedmark and 1 in Vestfold, but who knows which parish. Edward A. Scriven Layton, Utah Always be Happy!! Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Don and Virginia. Never mind. Scandnavian genealogy is not easy and in my opinion one can not say that the Olaus found baptised in 1828 in Hof, Hedmark, is not the right person without any further research. However that means following this person timeforwards: reading all the Hof churchrecords from 1828 untill 1865 to see if he might be married there or have died. And information from a bygdebok might be of help (I do not know) Only looking at outgoing records is not enough, because those records are not complete. But that includes a complete new research about another family and is a lot of work. I can imagine that you, Virginia, have the feeling that it makes no longer any sense and like to stop the research for this old lady. Back to 1801 census in Hof Hedmark (in which this Olaus b. 1828 and Berthe Taastensdr will be mentioned) is a good result. You can tell the lady that the results about Olaus and Berthe Taastensdr might be insecure and that it makes no sense to do further research before 1801. Good luck! Reina -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- From: Virginia Lindsey Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 3:40 AM To: [email protected] ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud Sorry I did not mean to offend. The daughters information did not agree with the mothers name nor did the birthdate. I will give them all of the information and let them decide. I was just trying to clear things up and I guess I made a mess. Very sorry. Virginia -----Original Message----- From: NORWAY [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Don Angevine Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 9:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud Then in the, "for what's worth department", I respectfully suggest that you question the criteria you are using to "check it out". Two of our most experienced researchers on here have come to the same conclusion, independently. I would trust their knowledge and experience for the moment, and question thoroughly whatever it is you are using to disqualify their suggestions. Don in Maine USA ---------------------------------------- From: "Virginia Lindsey" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 11:35 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud Thanks but that one does not check out. I just keep trying with no luck. Virginia -----Original Message----- From: NORWAY [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 12:09 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud Hello Virginia, The last time you asked this question I had answered you as follows: ..........I could not find a baptism in Hof parish in Hedmark in between 1827-1829. But in Hof parish, Vestfold county there was a baptism in 1828 of "an" Olaus Christophersen born 23 July 1828 of the parents Christopher Olsen Romseberg? (Rønneberg) + Berthe Taastensdr? #21 <https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8134/59> I would not know how we can check if this is the right Olavus Christophersen b. 1828. Reina P.S. see here Norwaylist archives: <http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/NORWAY/2017-02/1487163914> You wrote: I have checked all the Hof-Hoff-Hofs parishes and cannot find Olaus. SO this may be the end of the road for this search. Virginia -----Original Message----- From: NORWAY [mailto:norway-bounces+virginia= [email protected]] On Behalf Of EDWARD A SCRIVEN Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud To further confuse us with possibilities is that the census said he was from Hoff Prgj., and there are 2 of them, 1 in Hedmark and 1 in Vestfold, but who knows which parish. Edward A. Scriven Layton, Utah Always be Happy!! Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway

Sorry I did not mean to offend. The daughters information did not agree with the mothers name nor did the birthdate. I will give them all of the information and let them decide. I was just trying to clear things up and I guess I made a mess. Very sorry. Virginia -----Original Message----- From: NORWAY [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Don Angevine Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 9:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud Then in the, "for what's worth department", I respectfully suggest that you question the criteria you are using to "check it out". Two of our most experienced researchers on here have come to the same conclusion, independently. I would trust their knowledge and experience for the moment, and question thoroughly whatever it is you are using to disqualify their suggestions. Don in Maine USA ---------------------------------------- From: "Virginia Lindsey" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 11:35 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud Thanks but that one does not check out. I just keep trying with no luck. Virginia -----Original Message----- From: NORWAY [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 12:09 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud Hello Virginia, The last time you asked this question I had answered you as follows: ..........I could not find a baptism in Hof parish in Hedmark in between 1827-1829. But in Hof parish, Vestfold county there was a baptism in 1828 of "an" Olaus Christophersen born 23 July 1828 of the parents Christopher Olsen Romseberg? (Rønneberg) + Berthe Taastensdr? #21 <https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8134/59> I would not know how we can check if this is the right Olavus Christophersen b. 1828. Reina P.S. see here Norwaylist archives: <http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/NORWAY/2017-02/1487163914> You wrote: I have checked all the Hof-Hoff-Hofs parishes and cannot find Olaus. SO this may be the end of the road for this search. Virginia -----Original Message----- From: NORWAY [mailto:norway-bounces+virginia= [email protected]] On Behalf Of EDWARD A SCRIVEN Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud To further confuse us with possibilities is that the census said he was from Hoff Prgj., and there are 2 of them, 1 in Hedmark and 1 in Vestfold, but who knows which parish. Edward A. Scriven Layton, Utah Always be Happy!! Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Listers, I have found this book at DIS-Norge Slekthistorische Kilder: Kragerø By's Historie, 1666-1916 : Jubilæumsskrift / udgivet efter kommunal Foranstaltning ved Krog (Vis detaljer) Forfatter: Steffens, Haagen Krog, Trykket: Kristiania : Grøndahl, 1916., Beskrivelse: Kragerø By's Historie, 1666-1916 : Jubilæumsskrift / udgivet efter kommunal Foranstaltning ved Krog Does this (here below) mean that Hans Isdahl is doing loop-ups? Liste over de som kan gjøre oppslag i denne kilden... Navn E-post Slette Hans Isdahl [email protected] If yes: is anybody able to reach this person Hans Isdahl? I can not contact him (email is not right) and I would like to ask a question about information in the Kragerø-book if possible. Thanks Reina

As I indicated earlier Hof or Hoff could be in Hedmark or Vestfold. The marriage in Bragernes in November of 1852 says Olaus is 24 and 1/3 years old. 1/3 year is 4 months, so counting back from November 4 months is July. 24 from 1852 is 1828. We know from the marriage that Olaus is the son of a Christopher Olsen. That makes the following entry from Hof in Vestfold very likely. This Olaus is born 23 July 1828 and christened in Hof in Vestfold 31 August 1828, and the father is Christopher Olsen. This would certainly be a strong possibility. It is entry #21. https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8138/60 Kirkebøker: SAKO, Hof kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0004 ...<https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8138/60> media.digitalarkivet.no Ministerialbok for Hof prestegjeld 1814-1843 (0714P), Astaref: SAKO/A-64/F/Fa/L0004 I hope this is the one and that it helps. Edward A. Scriven Layton, Utah Always be Happy!!

Then in the, "for what's worth department", I respectfully suggest that you question the criteria you are using to "check it out". Two of our most experienced researchers on here have come to the same conclusion, independently. I would trust their knowledge and experience for the moment, and question thoroughly whatever it is you are using to disqualify their suggestions. Don in Maine USA ---------------------------------------- From: "Virginia Lindsey" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 11:35 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud Thanks but that one does not check out. I just keep trying with no luck. Virginia -----Original Message----- From: NORWAY [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 12:09 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud Hello Virginia, The last time you asked this question I had answered you as follows: ..........I could not find a baptism in Hof parish in Hedmark in between 1827-1829. But in Hof parish, Vestfold county there was a baptism in 1828 of "an" Olaus Christophersen born 23 July 1828 of the parents Christopher Olsen Romseberg? (Rønneberg) + Berthe Taastensdr? #21 <https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8134/59> I would not know how we can check if this is the right Olavus Christophersen b. 1828. Reina P.S. see here Norwaylist archives: <http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/NORWAY/2017-02/1487163914> You wrote: I have checked all the Hof-Hoff-Hofs parishes and cannot find Olaus. SO this may be the end of the road for this search. Virginia -----Original Message----- From: NORWAY [mailto:norway-bounces+virginia= [email protected]] On Behalf Of EDWARD A SCRIVEN Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] puzzle in Buskerud To further confuse us with possibilities is that the census said he was from Hoff Prgj., and there are 2 of them, 1 in Hedmark and 1 in Vestfold, but who knows which parish. Edward A. Scriven Layton, Utah Always be Happy!! Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message