Read Martin Roe's blog from 6 June - he had some good screen shots too - it's a general introduction to the new webpage and the reasons for the change. http://martinroe.com/blog/index.php/2017/06/06/the-norwegian-digitalarkivet-with-new-design/

Yes it really is for crying! The first version of Digital Archives was okay! It's as Rodney said: someone needed a job to do all this useless changes! (my words) Reina -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- From: Bev Anderson Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 2:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] digital archives Have you ever seen a woman do "ugly crying" because something is so awful? That's what I feel like now after reading Reina's email and discovering the horror for myself.

They have madeira sometime changing as it has ben tildelt. White and see. Changing but the data is there. --- hilsen/regards Otto Den 08.06.2017 10:51, skrev [email protected]: > Hello Listers > > Has anyone noticed that the Digital Archives in Norway can'nt be reached? > Or has another "outfit" > Is that the same norwegian Digital Arkivet??? > > <https://digitalarkivet.no/ [1]> > > Reina > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html [2] > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm [3] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Links: ------ [1] https://digitalarkivet.no/ [2] http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html [3] http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm

Thanks Rodney! It's because I have much experience with Norwegian genealogy, otherwise I would not find my way in all those new sites. Bah....again a new site and it does not improve. Reina -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- From: Rodney Kurth Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 1:42 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] digital archives It can be reached. They've "updated" everything to make it less user friendly. Apparently, someone needed to justify their existence or employment by making "improvements" to the website. Rod Kurth -----Original Message----- From: NORWAY [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 3:51 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [NOR] digital archives Hello Listers Has anyone noticed that the Digital Archives in Norway can’nt be reached? Or has another “outfit” Is that the same norwegian Digital Arkivet??? <https://digitalarkivet.no/> Reina

They're Norwegians!! ;) -----Original Message----- From: Anne Hildrum <[email protected]> To: rskurth <[email protected]>; norway <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, Jun 8, 2017 9:00 am Subject: Re: [NOR] digital archives Actually Minnesota lets us have a lot for free. Love Minnesota Anne -----Original Message----- From: NORWAY [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rod Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 5:51 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] digital archives Don makes an excellent point. We may grumble and murmur under our breath about changes but lest we forget -- access is still at the low low price of FREE. Who else besides the Norwegians and Mormons give genealogical information away for free? Rod Kurth On 2017-06-08 10:20, Don Angevine wrote: > So it wasn't just me . . . > > You know, in my second career I'm a highly trained Management Consultant, Organization Development Consultant, "Change Agent" some would call it -- helping organizations make changes for improvement -- leading people through creative problem solving . . . "who'd uh thunk it", right? BUT, even so, my attitude has always been, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". > > I would be hard pressed to find anything I hate more than the tampering with -- changes to -- the original DA. One of the things I liked the most was that I could copy and paste, and save, an entire Folktelling schedule, table, for a farm, into an MS Word document in landscape, with all of its attendant information added, and saved to my own computer! Output from the new is so sprawling . . . Grrrrrrr . . . > > Well, flip the coin, and I am most grateful to the Norwegians for making all of this information available, AND FREE! Perhaps it goes without saying, we 'muricans would be looking for a way to make a $$$ from it! > > Don in Maine USA > > ---------------------------------------- > From: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 4:51 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [NOR] digital archives > Hello Listers Has anyone noticed that the Digital Archives in Norway > can'nt be reached? Or has another "outfit" Is that the same norwegian > Digital Arkivet??? <https://digitalarkivet.no/ [1]> Reina Norwaylist > Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway Links: ------ [1] https://digitalarkivet.no/ [2] http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html [3] http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway

So it wasn't just me . . . You know, in my second career I'm a highly trained Management Consultant, Organization Development Consultant, "Change Agent" some would call it -- helping organizations make changes for improvement -- leading people through creative problem solving . . . "who'd uh thunk it", right? BUT, even so, my attitude has always been, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". I would be hard pressed to find anything I hate more than the tampering with -- changes to -- the original DA. One of the things I liked the most was that I could copy and paste, and save, an entire Folktelling schedule, table, for a farm, into an MS Word document in landscape, with all of its attendant information added, and saved to my own computer! Output from the new is so sprawling . . . Grrrrrrr . . . Well, flip the coin, and I am most grateful to the Norwegians for making all of this information available, AND FREE! Perhaps it goes without saying, we 'muricans would be looking for a way to make a $$$ from it! Don in Maine USA ---------------------------------------- From: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 4:51 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [NOR] digital archives Hello Listers Has anyone noticed that the Digital Archives in Norway can'nt be reached? Or has another "outfit" Is that the same norwegian Digital Arkivet??? <https://digitalarkivet.no/> Reina Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Listers Has anyone noticed that the Digital Archives in Norway can’nt be reached? Or has another “outfit” Is that the same norwegian Digital Arkivet??? <https://digitalarkivet.no/> Reina

Don makes an excellent point. We may grumble and murmur under our breath about changes but lest we forget -- access is still at the low low price of FREE. Who else besides the Norwegians and Mormons give genealogical information away for free? Rod Kurth On 2017-06-08 10:20, Don Angevine wrote: > So it wasn't just me . . . > > You know, in my second career I'm a highly trained Management Consultant, Organization Development Consultant, "Change Agent" some would call it -- helping organizations make changes for improvement -- leading people through creative problem solving . . . "who'd uh thunk it", right? BUT, even so, my attitude has always been, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". > > I would be hard pressed to find anything I hate more than the tampering with -- changes to -- the original DA. One of the things I liked the most was that I could copy and paste, and save, an entire Folktelling schedule, table, for a farm, into an MS Word document in landscape, with all of its attendant information added, and saved to my own computer! Output from the new is so sprawling . . . Grrrrrrr . . . > > Well, flip the coin, and I am most grateful to the Norwegians for making all of this information available, AND FREE! Perhaps it goes without saying, we 'muricans would be looking for a way to make a $$$ from it! > > Don in Maine USA > > ---------------------------------------- > From: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 4:51 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [NOR] digital archives > Hello Listers Has anyone noticed that the Digital Archives in Norway can'nt be reached? Or has another "outfit" Is that the same norwegian Digital Arkivet??? <https://digitalarkivet.no/ [1]> Reina Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html [2] guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm [3] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html [2] > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm [3] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Links: ------ [1] https://digitalarkivet.no/ [2] http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html [3] http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm

HIM Madison Wisconsin State Journal Monday, December 21, 1998, Madison, Wisconsin Gregerson, George WISCONSIN DELLS - George Gregerson, age 94 of rural Wisconsin Dells, died Saturday, December 19, 1998 at his residence with his family by his side. George was born September 3, 1904 in Stavanger, Norway, the son of Carl and Ellen (Meling) Gregerson. At the age of four and one half, his family immigrated to the United States and located in Chicago, Illinois. In September of 1929, he married Evelyn Hagborg. In 1941 they moved to the Dells area. George w as a painter and painted many of the motels and signs in the Dells area. He also was a self described gentleman farmer. George loved to sing and people loved to hear his beautiful tenor voice. He was asked to sing for weddings and funerals, and quite often performed in churches and nursing homes. For 15 years, he regularly sang at an area nursing home. He applied his talent throughout the state of Wisconsin, in the Chicago area, and was even invited to sing in Jamaica. This was his gift from God which he was able to use up until the time of his passing. George was a member of the Assembly of God Men's Ministries in Reedsburg, Gideon Organization, and the Full Gospel Businessman’s Association International. George is survived by his wife, Evelyn; a son, David; and many nieces, nephews, and numerous friends. He was preceded in death by brothers Harold, Raymond, and Charles; and sisters Clara Oakland, and Ellen Anderson. Funeral services will be held Wednesday, December 23 , 1998 at 2:00 p.m. at the BARABOO ASSEMBLY OF GOD CHURCH in Baraboo, with Reverend Gordon M. Johnson officiating. Burial will be in the Walnut Hill Cemetery in Baraboo. Visitatlon will be at the PICHA FUNERAL HOME of Lake Delton on Tuesday, December 22, 1998 from 4:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. and on Wednesday December 23, 1998 from 1:00 p.m. until the time of service at the church. HER Madison Wisconsin State Journal Sunday, April 30, 2000, Madison, Wisconsin Gregerson, Evelyn WISCONSIN DELLS Evelyn Gregerson, age 90, of rural Wisconsin Dells, Wisconsin died Saturday, April 29, 2000 at the Reedsburg Area Medical Center. Funeral services will be held Tuesday, May 2, 2000 at 2:00 p.m. at the BARABOO ASSEMBLY OF GOD CHURCH in Baraboo, Wisconsin with Reverend Gordon M. Johnson officiating. Burial will be in the Walnut Hill Cemetery of Baraboo. Evelyn was born December 18, 1909, in Chicago, Illinois, the daughter of Henning and Hilma (Fisk) Ilagborg. She married George Gregerson on September 7, 1929 in Chicago. Fivelyn attended 4 years of college and had worked as a secretary at the Marshall Fields Department Store in Chicago. Later she moved with her husband to the Dells area and farmed. She also had worked at the Badger Ordnance. Evelyn was also very involved in the Women’s Ministries through her church. Evelyn is survived by her son, David; a sister, Helen Smith, of Wisconsin Dells; and many nephews, nieces and cousins. She was preceded in death by her husband, George; her parents; and two sisters, Lilly Johnson, and infant, Agnes. Visitation will be at Picha Funeral Home of Lake Delton, Wisconsin on Monday from 4:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. and on Tuesday at the Baraboo Assembly of God Church from 1:00 p.m. until the time of service at 2:00 p.m.

Hi, I can go to the library and look it up if you don’t get any replies. Carol Oyan Keskey -----Original Message----- From: Lars E. Oyane Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 8:07 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [NOR] Obituary assistance Wisconsin Dells, WI Dec. 21, 1998, please? Dear Listers! Again I have come across an obituary supposedly available on ancestry.com, which I am unable to read. Can someone please help me? George Gregerson, born in Stavanger Sep. 3, 1904, died at Wisconsin Dells, WI Dec. 19, 1998 and buried at Baraboo, WI obituary published Dec. 21, 1998 Thanks a million in advance for your great assistance in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Yes, they have changed "outfit" but still is the same. Guess we have to start all over again to get used to it ???? Hanne ________________________________ Fra: NORWAY <[email protected]> på vegne av [email protected] <[email protected]> Sendt: 8. juni 2017 10:51 Til: [email protected] Emne: [NOR] digital archives Hello Listers Has anyone noticed that the Digital Archives in Norway can’nt be reached? Or has another “outfit” Is that the same norwegian Digital Arkivet??? <https://digitalarkivet.no/> Reina Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html RootsWeb: Genealogy Mailing Lists: Norway : NORWAY<http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html> lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in Norway. Additional information can be found on the Norway List Web Site below: guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think we should wait until all the data gets switched over to the new web page. It said there would be limited functionality for a bit. It is sort of like redecorating the kitchen - things a little messy before it gets all done for the better. A big thing I noticed right away is the https meaning it is on the more secure URL stuff - I don't know all the technical language. I too, really like the old version. But once I learn the latest search process, I really like it - especially looking at church records. And that IS still on the new web page - finding was a bit challenging. Go to the Menu and at the left column, click on the second item: Scanned Archives. The person searches still won't work for you if a record or census hasn't been indexed first - and lots of them haven't been indexed yet. Let's be patient - 1. OUR ancestral records are FREE; 2. change means keeping updated and being able to add more data easier; and 3. our old mind set often needs to be jostled to keep mentally alert. End of sermon :) Linda in Des Moines, IA

Dear Listers! Again I have come across an obituary supposedly available on ancestry.com, which I am unable to read. Can someone please help me? George Gregerson, born in Stavanger Sep. 3, 1904, died at Wisconsin Dells, WI Dec. 19, 1998 and buried at Baraboo, WI obituary published Dec. 21, 1998 Thanks a million in advance for your great assistance in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane

Have you ever seen a woman do "ugly crying" because something is so awful? That's what I feel like now after reading Reina's email and discovering the horror for myself. I hadn't even gotten used to the second iteration of Digitalarkivet and that awful search engine..., and now this! I spent ten minutes alone just trying to find a way to get to any kind of search engine to find any databases (even after I found where I could switch to English) and couldn't get past the first page. By sheer accident I stumbled upon a page to select something, got the 1865 census images, and found pages I already have (after going to my records to find the school district which has never been an issue in search criteria before for me since so many records turned up)..., but at least I found SOMETHING besides the first page. Now I don't know if I'll ever be able to find the page I found that on so I can try to search for something else since I only found what I did by accident. This is a bloody nightmare! Oh, how I miss the simplicity of the first version of Digitalarkivet where I could so easily find anything I wanted because the index was so simple I could find what I needed at a glance...!!! Even though I didn't know what I was doing at first (late 2001-'02 before I found the Norway List), at least I could scroll through transcribed records until I got the hang of it (which is where I first discovered I/J and V/W being used interchangeably), and after that I was successful in finding data via the search engine, first on my own ancestors (there were a lot of databases from local records which is why I was so successful in finding information), and then I branched out to finding ancestors for other branches of the family in different fylkes. After microfilm records were introduced, even that had an easy index. I used to brag that it was easy to find genealogy data in Norwegian records. No more. This may actually drive me away from trying to find anything in Norwegian records since it's so difficult to even get off the first page! I hope whoever dreamt up this nightmare is demoted and transferred somewhere out of reach of a computer keyboard. Haven't they heard of KISS? Keep it Simple, Stupid? Simplicity is the key to finding genealogy data, starting with the elegantly simple index in the first version of Digitalarkivet, and then moving on to the wonderfully easy search engine they had (starting with English at that time all the way through the search criteria and column headers; what a boon for those of us who are not fortunate enough to be taught Norwegian as a second language from grade school forward - it's what first made me deeply appreciate the Norwegian educational system). Now, more than ever, we need that old version of Digitalarkivet to stay online so if we embark on a new line of research we can find something and be rewarded for our initial research efforts before we have to battle an impossible (third) Digitalarkivet database where it seems we are destined to forever search for info we already have on ancestors we already found so we know whether or not our efforts were successful. I've now gone from crying in disappointment and dismay to being just plain angry. If they were going to change things, at least they could have made it as simple as the first version, not messed it up worse than the second version! Bev On 6/8/2017 3:51 AM, [email protected] wrote: > Hello Listers > > Has anyone noticed that the Digital Archives in Norway can’nt be reached? > Or has another “outfit” > Is that the same norwegian Digital Arkivet??? > > <https://digitalarkivet.no/> > > Reina

It can be reached. They've "updated" everything to make it less user friendly. Apparently, someone needed to justify their existence or employment by making "improvements" to the website. Rod Kurth -----Original Message----- From: NORWAY [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 3:51 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [NOR] digital archives Hello Listers Has anyone noticed that the Digital Archives in Norway can’nt be reached? Or has another “outfit” Is that the same norwegian Digital Arkivet??? <https://digitalarkivet.no/> Reina Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Save  Print Share Mary Bryan in the U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-2014 U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-2014 No Image Text-only collection Request copy of original application Add alternate information Report issue Name: Mary Bryan SSN: 540-28-7702 Last Residence: 97013 Canby, Clackamas, Oregon, USA BORN: 3 Jan 1908 Died: Jul 1982 State (Year) SSN issued: Oregon (Before 1951) -----Original Message----- From: Lars E. Oyane Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 5:28 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] John Bernhard Skophammer (1892-1960) - his wives and marriages? Dear Mark, Doris, Thelma, Annette, Sarah and other Listers! I contacted the Clerk of Courts in Benton Co., OR back in November last year in order to obtain further details on the marriage and divorce of John B. Skophammer and his 2nd wife Mary, from whom he was divorced at Corvallis, OR in 1956. When I contacted them, I was told the files were out for microfilming, and only today have I received the copies which I asked for! I will send you the entire files off line, as well as the marriage license for John and Mary which I subsequently obtained in scanned version this evening from Harrison, NE. But let me shortly tell you how I understand these documents: * Apparently Mary accused John for inhuman treatment, and at the time of the judgement John was residing in Hillsborough Co., FL. The couple was married at Harrison, NE on Feb. 10, 1941. * From Sioux Co., NE I then received the copy of the marriage license confirming the marriage date of John Bernard Skophammer (48, divorced, born Colfax, ND) and Mary Ellen Bryan (32, widowed. born NV), both of Casper, WY. Her maiden name was Mary E. Sanders, and she was the daughter of F. W. Sanders (born in UT) and Mary Ann Daniels (born in MO). >From this information I thought it would be «easy» to identify this 2nd wife of John’s, but no way! No matter how I search the online records at ancestry.com, I come out empty-handed as far as Mary Ellen and her parents and first marriage is concerned! Where do they hide?? The only thing I do find is from Casper, WY city directories that a seamstress Mrs. Mary E. Bryan resided 1939 and 1941 on 451 and 447 South Spruce in Casper, WY, while in 1937 and 1934 she appears to be the wife of Noel J. Bryan, a sign painter, but living on different addresses…(?). Noel James Bryan was born in Washington Co., MO Apr. 7, 1900 and died at Casper, WY June 6, 1937, buried at Thermopolis, Hot Springs Co., WY. There are several family trees on ancestry including Noel James Bryan, and one of them refers to his wife as Mary E. OGG, but none of the trees have any further details... So where is Mary in the 1940 census? And 1930, 1920 and 1910 censuses?? Thanks again for any suggestions you can give me in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane PS: The Mary Etta Skophammer referred to below, born 1930, is DEFINTELY NOT the one we are looking for! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On Nov 1, 2016, at 4:13 PM, Mark Erickson <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hei Lars, > Don’t know if you saw this, but someone has added a photo of Mary and John > to myheritage. > https://www.myheritage.com/names/mary_skophammer > <https://www.myheritage.com/names/mary_skophammer> > > According to the public records linked there, she's probably still around. > Mary Etta Skophammer > Born 1930 > > I did a little looking around, and I think I found her. It looks like > she's on facebook. She's going by the name “Mary Skophammer Wolfe”. Here's > her page. > https://www.facebook.com/mary.s.wolfe.5?fref=hovercard > <https://www.facebook.com/mary.s.wolfe.5?fref=hovercard> > Thanks! > > Mark > ~~~~~ > On Oct 29, 2016, at 11:20 PM, Doris Waggoner <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Lars, > > Not to throw complete cold water on the info Thelma found so quickly for > you, but in my experience some newspapers "pile up" divorces and publish > them in a bunch. > > This was true, for instance, in the case of my father's divorce from his > first wife. They were married, living with their daughter, in the 1940 > census. He married my mother in 1942. So I searched the newspapers between > those two dates. The Seattle Times in 1941 listed at intervals people who > had been divorced. None of them had a precise date when the divorce was > final. But at least I knew it was after the last batch were published. > That's more than we knew before, and actually more than my half sister > knew. She had a guess, because she had no memory of him. But she was four > in 1941, and we both expected that at that age she'd have remembered him. > > These days, divorces aren't listed in newspapers in most cities the size > of Seattle, or even the size of Corvallis. Some states do publish > divorces in their official records, but I don't know if OR does. > > At least you know that they were divorced shortly before Oct 27, 1956, > probably only a very few weeks before. It's interesting that they were > divorced in Corvallis, not Portland. The two are about 80 miles apart. > They would have to have moved to Corvallis, probably 6 months or more > before filing for the divorce, though the timing for how long you have to > be a resident before filing varies by state. > > Getting divorce certificate usually doesn't require being related to the > couple. It does usually cost money--I had to pay $20 to get a copy of > mine when it was lost in a move. The cost probably varies by state. It > would give Mary's maiden name, and the town and county in NV where she was > born. > > The Social Security Death Index should provide the death date for Mary and > Lena. Usually it helps if you know where they died, but both of them have > unusual surnames, so probably entering just their names will give you a > short list to pick from. People often think that recent legislation means > that we no longer have access to the SSDI. That's not entirely true. Older > dates of death, like the ones you're looking for, are still available, > especially through Ancestry. If you need lookups for that, let me know and > next week I should have time to check them out. > > Doris > ~~~~~ > On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 6:17 PM, Thelma Hartman <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > October 27, 1956 > Corvallis Gazette-Times from Corvallis, Oregon · Page 4 > > > Mary Skophammer vs John B. Skophammer: divorce granted. > > > > > > Subject: John Bernhard Skophammer (1892-1960) - his wives and marriages? > > Dear lister friends! > > This evening I have another «challenge» I wish to share with you. Maybe > someone comes up with one or two ideas how to solve these questions? > > John Bernhard SKOPHAMMER > born Dec. 19, 1892 in Richland Co., ND > died Nov. 25, 1960 in Tucson, AZ > > John married 1st time Nov. 27, 1924 in Ambrose, ND to: > > Olena «Lena» Marie LINDSTROM, nee GOLBERG > born July 24, 1892 in Marshall Co., MN > died …………………. possibly in Casper, WY?? > > Lena had previously been married in Minneapolis, MN Apr. 18, 1912 to Louis > Lindstrom, but they divorced. One daughter by her 1st marriage: > > * Dorothy L. Lindstrom, born ND 1913 - destiny unknown > > John and Lena Skophammer lived at Writing Rock, Divide Co., ND and then at > Opheim, Valley Co., MT, but moved in the mid-1930’s to Casper, Natrona > Co., WY where they divorced about 1938! > > John married 2nd time ………………..(1942/1943?) to: > > Mary E……………………………….. > born Jan. 3, 1911 in ……….., NV > died …………………………..?? > > She had been married previous and also had a daughter, but further info. > is unknown. > > John and Mary Skophammer moved to Klamath Falls, OR and then on to > Portland, OR, where they were divorced prior to 1957. > > Then Mary E. Skophammer married again at Vancouver, WA Jan. 10, 1957 to: > > Ernest Hans JUNKER > born Jan. 21, 1908 in Chippewa Co., MN > died July 25, 1972 at Hood River, OR > (is buried there in a single grave!!) > > My specific questions are as follows: > > ** Year of divorce for John B. Skophammer and 1st wife Olena «Lena»? > > ** Date and place of death for Olena «Lena» Skophammer nee Golberg? > > ** Date and place of marriage for John B. Skophammer and 2nd wife Mary E.? > > ** Year of divorce for John B. Skophammer and 2nd wife Mary? > > ** Mary E. (Skophammer)’s full name? > > ** Place of birth for Mary E. (Skophammer)? > > ** Date and place of death for Mary E. Skophammer Junker? > > I have struggled with this family for years, and I know it isn’t easy to > figure out, but I certainly do hope that some of you may be able to see > something that I have overseen? Maybe newspaper articles will reveal > facts about them?? > > Thanks a million! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. 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Save  Print Share John B Skophemmer in the 1930 United States Federal Census View 1930 United States Federal Census View blank form Add alternate information Report issue Name: John B Skophemmer [John B Skop Hemmer] Birth Year: abt 1893 Gender: Male Race: White Birthplace: North Dakota Marital Status: Married Relation to Head of House: Head Home in 1930: Opheim, Valley, Montana Map of Home: View Map Ward of City: Ward Two Dwelling Number: 43 Family Number: 43 Home Owned or Rented: Owned Home Value: 1500 Radio Set: Yes Lives on Farm: No Age at First Marriage: 31 Attended School: No Able to Read and Write: Yes Father's Birthplace: Norway Mother's Birthplace: Norway Able to Speak English: Yes Occupation: Machanic Industry: Garage Class of Worker: Working on own account Employment: Yes Household Members: Name Age John B Skophemmer 37 Olene M Skophemmer 36 Dorothy L Lindstrom 16 Neighbors: View others on page Save  Cancel -----Original Message----- From: Lars E. Oyane Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 5:28 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] John Bernhard Skophammer (1892-1960) - his wives and marriages? Dear Mark, Doris, Thelma, Annette, Sarah and other Listers! I contacted the Clerk of Courts in Benton Co., OR back in November last year in order to obtain further details on the marriage and divorce of John B. Skophammer and his 2nd wife Mary, from whom he was divorced at Corvallis, OR in 1956. When I contacted them, I was told the files were out for microfilming, and only today have I received the copies which I asked for! I will send you the entire files off line, as well as the marriage license for John and Mary which I subsequently obtained in scanned version this evening from Harrison, NE. But let me shortly tell you how I understand these documents: * Apparently Mary accused John for inhuman treatment, and at the time of the judgement John was residing in Hillsborough Co., FL. The couple was married at Harrison, NE on Feb. 10, 1941. * From Sioux Co., NE I then received the copy of the marriage license confirming the marriage date of John Bernard Skophammer (48, divorced, born Colfax, ND) and Mary Ellen Bryan (32, widowed. born NV), both of Casper, WY. Her maiden name was Mary E. Sanders, and she was the daughter of F. W. Sanders (born in UT) and Mary Ann Daniels (born in MO). >From this information I thought it would be «easy» to identify this 2nd wife of John’s, but no way! No matter how I search the online records at ancestry.com, I come out empty-handed as far as Mary Ellen and her parents and first marriage is concerned! Where do they hide?? The only thing I do find is from Casper, WY city directories that a seamstress Mrs. Mary E. Bryan resided 1939 and 1941 on 451 and 447 South Spruce in Casper, WY, while in 1937 and 1934 she appears to be the wife of Noel J. Bryan, a sign painter, but living on different addresses…(?). Noel James Bryan was born in Washington Co., MO Apr. 7, 1900 and died at Casper, WY June 6, 1937, buried at Thermopolis, Hot Springs Co., WY. There are several family trees on ancestry including Noel James Bryan, and one of them refers to his wife as Mary E. OGG, but none of the trees have any further details... So where is Mary in the 1940 census? And 1930, 1920 and 1910 censuses?? Thanks again for any suggestions you can give me in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane PS: The Mary Etta Skophammer referred to below, born 1930, is DEFINTELY NOT the one we are looking for! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On Nov 1, 2016, at 4:13 PM, Mark Erickson <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hei Lars, > Don’t know if you saw this, but someone has added a photo of Mary and John > to myheritage. > https://www.myheritage.com/names/mary_skophammer > <https://www.myheritage.com/names/mary_skophammer> > > According to the public records linked there, she's probably still around. > Mary Etta Skophammer > Born 1930 > > I did a little looking around, and I think I found her. It looks like > she's on facebook. She's going by the name “Mary Skophammer Wolfe”. Here's > her page. > https://www.facebook.com/mary.s.wolfe.5?fref=hovercard > <https://www.facebook.com/mary.s.wolfe.5?fref=hovercard> > Thanks! > > Mark > ~~~~~ > On Oct 29, 2016, at 11:20 PM, Doris Waggoner <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Lars, > > Not to throw complete cold water on the info Thelma found so quickly for > you, but in my experience some newspapers "pile up" divorces and publish > them in a bunch. > > This was true, for instance, in the case of my father's divorce from his > first wife. They were married, living with their daughter, in the 1940 > census. He married my mother in 1942. So I searched the newspapers between > those two dates. The Seattle Times in 1941 listed at intervals people who > had been divorced. None of them had a precise date when the divorce was > final. But at least I knew it was after the last batch were published. > That's more than we knew before, and actually more than my half sister > knew. She had a guess, because she had no memory of him. But she was four > in 1941, and we both expected that at that age she'd have remembered him. > > These days, divorces aren't listed in newspapers in most cities the size > of Seattle, or even the size of Corvallis. Some states do publish > divorces in their official records, but I don't know if OR does. > > At least you know that they were divorced shortly before Oct 27, 1956, > probably only a very few weeks before. It's interesting that they were > divorced in Corvallis, not Portland. The two are about 80 miles apart. > They would have to have moved to Corvallis, probably 6 months or more > before filing for the divorce, though the timing for how long you have to > be a resident before filing varies by state. > > Getting divorce certificate usually doesn't require being related to the > couple. It does usually cost money--I had to pay $20 to get a copy of > mine when it was lost in a move. The cost probably varies by state. It > would give Mary's maiden name, and the town and county in NV where she was > born. > > The Social Security Death Index should provide the death date for Mary and > Lena. Usually it helps if you know where they died, but both of them have > unusual surnames, so probably entering just their names will give you a > short list to pick from. People often think that recent legislation means > that we no longer have access to the SSDI. That's not entirely true. Older > dates of death, like the ones you're looking for, are still available, > especially through Ancestry. If you need lookups for that, let me know and > next week I should have time to check them out. > > Doris > ~~~~~ > On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 6:17 PM, Thelma Hartman <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > October 27, 1956 > Corvallis Gazette-Times from Corvallis, Oregon · Page 4 > > > Mary Skophammer vs John B. Skophammer: divorce granted. > > > > > > Subject: John Bernhard Skophammer (1892-1960) - his wives and marriages? > > Dear lister friends! > > This evening I have another «challenge» I wish to share with you. Maybe > someone comes up with one or two ideas how to solve these questions? > > John Bernhard SKOPHAMMER > born Dec. 19, 1892 in Richland Co., ND > died Nov. 25, 1960 in Tucson, AZ > > John married 1st time Nov. 27, 1924 in Ambrose, ND to: > > Olena «Lena» Marie LINDSTROM, nee GOLBERG > born July 24, 1892 in Marshall Co., MN > died …………………. possibly in Casper, WY?? > > Lena had previously been married in Minneapolis, MN Apr. 18, 1912 to Louis > Lindstrom, but they divorced. One daughter by her 1st marriage: > > * Dorothy L. Lindstrom, born ND 1913 - destiny unknown > > John and Lena Skophammer lived at Writing Rock, Divide Co., ND and then at > Opheim, Valley Co., MT, but moved in the mid-1930’s to Casper, Natrona > Co., WY where they divorced about 1938! > > John married 2nd time ………………..(1942/1943?) to: > > Mary E……………………………….. > born Jan. 3, 1911 in ……….., NV > died …………………………..?? > > She had been married previous and also had a daughter, but further info. > is unknown. > > John and Mary Skophammer moved to Klamath Falls, OR and then on to > Portland, OR, where they were divorced prior to 1957. > > Then Mary E. Skophammer married again at Vancouver, WA Jan. 10, 1957 to: > > Ernest Hans JUNKER > born Jan. 21, 1908 in Chippewa Co., MN > died July 25, 1972 at Hood River, OR > (is buried there in a single grave!!) > > My specific questions are as follows: > > ** Year of divorce for John B. Skophammer and 1st wife Olena «Lena»? > > ** Date and place of death for Olena «Lena» Skophammer nee Golberg? > > ** Date and place of marriage for John B. Skophammer and 2nd wife Mary E.? > > ** Year of divorce for John B. Skophammer and 2nd wife Mary? > > ** Mary E. (Skophammer)’s full name? > > ** Place of birth for Mary E. (Skophammer)? > > ** Date and place of death for Mary E. Skophammer Junker? > > I have struggled with this family for years, and I know it isn’t easy to > figure out, but I certainly do hope that some of you may be able to see > something that I have overseen? Maybe newspaper articles will reveal > facts about them?? > > Thanks a million! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. 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Dear Mark, Doris, Thelma, Annette, Sarah and other Listers! I contacted the Clerk of Courts in Benton Co., OR back in November last year in order to obtain further details on the marriage and divorce of John B. Skophammer and his 2nd wife Mary, from whom he was divorced at Corvallis, OR in 1956. When I contacted them, I was told the files were out for microfilming, and only today have I received the copies which I asked for! I will send you the entire files off line, as well as the marriage license for John and Mary which I subsequently obtained in scanned version this evening from Harrison, NE. But let me shortly tell you how I understand these documents: * Apparently Mary accused John for inhuman treatment, and at the time of the judgement John was residing in Hillsborough Co., FL. The couple was married at Harrison, NE on Feb. 10, 1941. * From Sioux Co., NE I then received the copy of the marriage license confirming the marriage date of John Bernard Skophammer (48, divorced, born Colfax, ND) and Mary Ellen Bryan (32, widowed. born NV), both of Casper, WY. Her maiden name was Mary E. Sanders, and she was the daughter of F. W. Sanders (born in UT) and Mary Ann Daniels (born in MO). From this information I thought it would be «easy» to identify this 2nd wife of John’s, but no way! No matter how I search the online records at ancestry.com, I come out empty-handed as far as Mary Ellen and her parents and first marriage is concerned! Where do they hide?? The only thing I do find is from Casper, WY city directories that a seamstress Mrs. Mary E. Bryan resided 1939 and 1941 on 451 and 447 South Spruce in Casper, WY, while in 1937 and 1934 she appears to be the wife of Noel J. Bryan, a sign painter, but living on different addresses…(?). Noel James Bryan was born in Washington Co., MO Apr. 7, 1900 and died at Casper, WY June 6, 1937, buried at Thermopolis, Hot Springs Co., WY. There are several family trees on ancestry including Noel James Bryan, and one of them refers to his wife as Mary E. OGG, but none of the trees have any further details... So where is Mary in the 1940 census? And 1930, 1920 and 1910 censuses?? Thanks again for any suggestions you can give me in this matter! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane PS: The Mary Etta Skophammer referred to below, born 1930, is DEFINTELY NOT the one we are looking for! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On Nov 1, 2016, at 4:13 PM, Mark Erickson <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hei Lars, > Don’t know if you saw this, but someone has added a photo of Mary and John to myheritage. > https://www.myheritage.com/names/mary_skophammer <https://www.myheritage.com/names/mary_skophammer> > > According to the public records linked there, she's probably still around. > Mary Etta Skophammer > Born 1930 > > I did a little looking around, and I think I found her. It looks like she's on facebook. She's going by the name “Mary Skophammer Wolfe”. Here's her page. > https://www.facebook.com/mary.s.wolfe.5?fref=hovercard <https://www.facebook.com/mary.s.wolfe.5?fref=hovercard> > Thanks! > > Mark > ~~~~~ > On Oct 29, 2016, at 11:20 PM, Doris Waggoner <[email protected]> wrote: > > Lars, > > Not to throw complete cold water on the info Thelma found so quickly for you, but in my experience some newspapers "pile up" divorces and publish them in a bunch. > > This was true, for instance, in the case of my father's divorce from his first wife. They were married, living with their daughter, in the 1940 census. He married my mother in 1942. So I searched the newspapers between those two dates. The Seattle Times in 1941 listed at intervals people who had been divorced. None of them had a precise date when the divorce was final. But at least I knew it was after the last batch were published. That's more than we knew before, and actually more than my half sister knew. She had a guess, because she had no memory of him. But she was four in 1941, and we both expected that at that age she'd have remembered him. > > These days, divorces aren't listed in newspapers in most cities the size of Seattle, or even the size of Corvallis. Some states do publish divorces in their official records, but I don't know if OR does. > > At least you know that they were divorced shortly before Oct 27, 1956, probably only a very few weeks before. It's interesting that they were divorced in Corvallis, not Portland. The two are about 80 miles apart. They would have to have moved to Corvallis, probably 6 months or more before filing for the divorce, though the timing for how long you have to be a resident before filing varies by state. > > Getting divorce certificate usually doesn't require being related to the couple. It does usually cost money--I had to pay $20 to get a copy of mine when it was lost in a move. The cost probably varies by state. It would give Mary's maiden name, and the town and county in NV where she was born. > > The Social Security Death Index should provide the death date for Mary and Lena. Usually it helps if you know where they died, but both of them have unusual surnames, so probably entering just their names will give you a short list to pick from. People often think that recent legislation means that we no longer have access to the SSDI. That's not entirely true. Older dates of death, like the ones you're looking for, are still available, especially through Ancestry. If you need lookups for that, let me know and next week I should have time to check them out. > > Doris > ~~~~~ > On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 6:17 PM, Thelma Hartman <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > October 27, 1956 > Corvallis Gazette-Times from Corvallis, Oregon · Page 4 > > > Mary Skophammer vs John B. Skophammer: divorce granted. > > > > > > Subject: John Bernhard Skophammer (1892-1960) - his wives and marriages? > > Dear lister friends! > > This evening I have another «challenge» I wish to share with you. Maybe someone comes up with one or two ideas how to solve these questions? > > John Bernhard SKOPHAMMER > born Dec. 19, 1892 in Richland Co., ND > died Nov. 25, 1960 in Tucson, AZ > > John married 1st time Nov. 27, 1924 in Ambrose, ND to: > > Olena «Lena» Marie LINDSTROM, nee GOLBERG > born July 24, 1892 in Marshall Co., MN > died …………………. possibly in Casper, WY?? > > Lena had previously been married in Minneapolis, MN Apr. 18, 1912 to Louis Lindstrom, but they divorced. One daughter by her 1st marriage: > > * Dorothy L. Lindstrom, born ND 1913 - destiny unknown > > John and Lena Skophammer lived at Writing Rock, Divide Co., ND and then at Opheim, Valley Co., MT, but moved in the mid-1930’s to Casper, Natrona Co., WY where they divorced about 1938! > > John married 2nd time ………………..(1942/1943?) to: > > Mary E……………………………….. > born Jan. 3, 1911 in ……….., NV > died …………………………..?? > > She had been married previous and also had a daughter, but further info. is unknown. > > John and Mary Skophammer moved to Klamath Falls, OR and then on to Portland, OR, where they were divorced prior to 1957. > > Then Mary E. Skophammer married again at Vancouver, WA Jan. 10, 1957 to: > > Ernest Hans JUNKER > born Jan. 21, 1908 in Chippewa Co., MN > died July 25, 1972 at Hood River, OR > (is buried there in a single grave!!) > > My specific questions are as follows: > > ** Year of divorce for John B. Skophammer and 1st wife Olena «Lena»? > > ** Date and place of death for Olena «Lena» Skophammer nee Golberg? > > ** Date and place of marriage for John B. Skophammer and 2nd wife Mary E.? > > ** Year of divorce for John B. Skophammer and 2nd wife Mary? > > ** Mary E. (Skophammer)’s full name? > > ** Place of birth for Mary E. (Skophammer)? > > ** Date and place of death for Mary E. Skophammer Junker? > > I have struggled with this family for years, and I know it isn’t easy to figure out, but I certainly do hope that some of you may be able to see something that I have overseen? Maybe newspaper articles will reveal facts about them?? > > Thanks a million! > > Very sincerely yours, > > Lars E. Oyane > > > > > >

Here's some from Newspapers.com August 22, 1977 Progress Bulletin from Pomona, California · Page 4 Ray Dickerson Ray Bennett Dickerson of Alhambra, a former resident of Chino, died Sunday at the Alhambra Community Hospital after a long iilness. He was born Jan. 17, 1895. in Caldwell, Ohio, and moved to Chino in 1923. becoming associated with the Businessmen's Assurance Co. of America. He retired 46 years later as Los Angeles district manager of the organization. He was a former commander of the Chino post of the American Legion, past president of the Chino Rotary Club, a member of the Morongo United Methodist Church of Alhambra and a veteran of World War 1. Survivors include the widow, Edna; a son, Robert of Laguna Beach and three grandchildren. Funeral services will be at 2 p.m. Tuesday at the Turner Stevens Mortuary in Alhambra. Private interment will follow Friends may make donations to the Rotary international Foundation or to their favorite charities. August 24, 1977 Chino Champion from Chino, California · Page 2 Former Chlno leader dIes in Alhambra Funeral services for Ray Bennett Dickerson, a former resident of Chino, were held Tuesday in Alhambra. Mr. Dickerson died Sunday at an Alhambra hospital at the age of 79. Born Jan. 17, 1898, in Caldwell, Ohio, Mr. Dickerson moved to Chino in 1923. He was a charter member of the Chino American Legion Post 299 and commander in 1937-38. He was also president of the Rotary club here and a Paul Harris Fellow of the Rotary Club international. Mr. Dickerson moved to Alhambra in 1947. He retired after 46 years with the Business Mens' Assurance company. Mr. Dickerson is survived by his wife, Edna Edwards Dickerson of Alhambra; a son, Robert Martin of Laguna and three grandchildren. In lieu of fiowers, the family has asked that memorial gifts be given to the Rotary International Foundation in care of the Alhambra Rotary club or to another charity.

Ahhh. That explains it. Thanks for the clarification. Edward A. Scriven Layton, Utah Always be Happy!! ________________________________ From: NORWAY <[email protected]> on behalf of Lisbeth Dyrnes <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 3:21 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NOR] Help with a word It is spelled tenestegjente, nynorsk spelling, so that might be the reason you did not recognize the word :-) Lisbeth 2017-06-05 2:24 GMT+02:00 EDWARD A SCRIVEN <[email protected]>: > Of course she was not a widow. It says 1st marriage. I guess I missed it > saying tjenestejente because their is no "j" after the first t, but it does > make sense that it is tjenestejente. Thanks. > > > > Edward A. Scriven > Layton, Utah > Always be Happy!! > > > > ________________________________ > From: NORWAY <[email protected]> on behalf of > Anne Hildrum <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 4:59 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [NOR] Help with a word > > She is not a widow it says Tjenestejente which is servant. > > Anne > > -----Original Message----- > From: NORWAY [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of EDWARD A SCRIVEN > Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 12:47 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [NOR] Help with a word > > I give up. What is the status for the bride in wedding #1 here from Fosnes > Sokn? I know the widow part, but what is before it? Thanks > > > https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/69576/129 > > > > Edward A. Scriven > Layton, Utah > Always be Happy!! > > Norwaylist > Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/ > index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/ > index?list=norway > > RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html > > guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Norwaylist Archiveshttp://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=norway RESUBSCRIBE UNSUB http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NOR/NORWAY.html guidelines http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/guidelines.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message